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Monotub vs Shoebox Question.
#28471414 - 09/16/23 05:24 PM (1 year, 3 months ago) |
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I was wondering what everyone's thoughts are on:
Why is it that the shoebox works unmodded with lids closed, but the monotub can't function like that? Why do we need more air from the outside coming in the monotub? How is that better at creating fruiting conditions for each TEK?
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Re: Monotub vs Shoebox Question. [Re: Zav3r]
#28471419 - 09/16/23 05:31 PM (1 year, 3 months ago) |
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I just flip the lids on both. Works fine. These days I only run shoeboxes though as I don't need more mushrooms; but I love cultivating.
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And no difference between the two? I'm just trying to figure out how to master the damn fruiting conditions.
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Re: Monotub vs Shoebox Question. [Re: Zav3r]
#28471479 - 09/16/23 06:15 PM (1 year, 3 months ago) |
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I tended to get better canopies with the monos but I could not really speculate why.
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Ya like how is the mono better or the shoebox better. how is it that one rule applies to one and a different one for the other.
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Re: Monotub vs Shoebox Question. [Re: Zav3r] 9
#28471613 - 09/16/23 08:05 PM (1 year, 3 months ago) |
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Because they are different.
Shoeboxes are great as a beginner tool. They have built in FAE via a lid that doesn’t seal. Nobody wants sweaty shoes sealed up tight. They are awesome if you have a sketchy quart of grain you don’t want to mix with other due to contam risk, or if you want to run a bunch of different sets of genetics looking for a cool pheno or a good clone.
Monos a great because they can be dialed in a bit better and provide better surface conditions. They have head room, so you can stack a bunch and still let your mushroom grow tall. I usually get better weight per quart of spawn in a mono, but not by much. Monos can give you much bigger fruit if your genetics are good.
I’ve seen you asking a bunch of these types of questions. Are you growing any shrooms yet. Don’t put too much worry in to which method is “best.” That will depend on what species you’re growing, your ambient conditions, your skill level, and your goals. Pick any proven tek and just grow. For the first year or so YOU will be the rate limiting factor. Learn how to produce clean spawn. Learn what contams look like. Learn what works and what doesn’t in your grow space. Observe. Mush are pretty resilient and will suffer a lot of abuse and still grow. Watch them. Learn. Post pics of what you have going on and we’ll help. Answering all these questions if you’re not trying anything is pissing in the wind.
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RoscoeReturns said: Pick any proven tek and just grow. For the first year or so YOU will be the rate limiting factor. Learn how to produce clean spawn. Learn what contams look like. Learn what works and what doesn’t in your grow space. Observe.
Lots of knowledge there!
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I'm growing. I've perfected everything up to the fruiting conditions. I have good spawn, one contamination out of 20 which was my fault, the other one was just luck. I have 3 tubs of goldens at 2nd flush, I have a monotub at 2nd flush. I have 2 PE's. One at 3rd flush. One waiting fruiting.
I am doing the work but my pinset is sparse on most tubs, and side pinning on the one I made a mistake with. I think I'm learning but I'm obsessed with perfection and getting this to the tee.
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Re: Monotub vs Shoebox Question. [Re: Zav3r]
#28471699 - 09/16/23 09:49 PM (1 year, 3 months ago) |
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You can also go in-between. Run an 18qt or so "shoebox" filled to the top. It's like a mono-slice. It can be dubbed or put into a larger tote. Gives those bigger shrooms . Sometimes.
kinda like this:
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Re: Monotub vs Shoebox Question. [Re: Zav3r] 4
#28471751 - 09/16/23 11:08 PM (1 year, 3 months ago) |
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Zav3r said: I've perfected everything up to the fruiting conditions.
I'm finding this hard to believe, given that you are having sparse flushes. If your spawn was really clean I think you'd have a fuller flush. The exact amount of FAE has less of an impact than spawn cleanliness.
When you start, "clean" spawn is anything that doesn't turn another color. In reality white spawn can still be bacterial. It takes time to learn to recognize this, and longer to learn to avoid it. I still struggle to get spawn clean enough that I'd be comfortable using it for G2G. Roscoe is right when he says YOU are the limiting factor for the first year or so.
The only reason you don't have to poke holes in a shoebox is that the air gets in through the imperfect seal close to the substrate. With more head room, it's a long way from the substrate.
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Re: Monotub vs Shoebox Question. [Re: Kinoko314]
#28471758 - 09/16/23 11:13 PM (1 year, 3 months ago) |
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Re: Monotub vs Shoebox Question. [Re: Stipe-n Cap] 1
#28471765 - 09/16/23 11:22 PM (1 year, 3 months ago) |
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I would agree with that, but a flush can be severely impacted by constant misting/drying cycles and a matted surface.
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Re: Monotub vs Shoebox Question. [Re: Stipe-n Cap]
#28471857 - 09/17/23 03:56 AM (1 year, 3 months ago) |
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thanks for the input. I'm 100% sure my spawns are clean. My methods against contam are near perfect.
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Re: Monotub vs Shoebox Question. [Re: Zav3r] 1
#28472171 - 09/17/23 09:50 AM (1 year, 3 months ago) |
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Zav3r said: thanks for the input. I'm 100% sure my spawns are clean. My methods against contam are near perfect.
Saying things like "I'm 100% sure my spawns are clean" pretty much sums up the reason behind Roscoes entire post.
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Re: Monotub vs Shoebox Question. [Re: xVadisx] 1
#28472200 - 09/17/23 10:07 AM (1 year, 3 months ago) |
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xVadisx said: You can also go in-between. Run an 18qt or so "shoebox" filled to the top. It's like a mono-slice. It can be dubbed or put into a larger tote. Gives those bigger shrooms . Sometimes.
kinda like this: 
Oh this is the future! I likey.
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Re: Monotub vs Shoebox Question. [Re: SnakeEyes212] 1
#28472452 - 09/17/23 12:10 PM (1 year, 3 months ago) |
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Quote:
SnakeEyes212 said:
Quote:
xVadisx said: You can also go in-between. Run an 18qt or so "shoebox" filled to the top. It's like a mono-slice. It can be dubbed or put into a larger tote. Gives those bigger shrooms . Sometimes.
kinda like this: 
Oh this is the future! I likey.
It works! So do ziplocks though, alongside many other things. Like shoes. Or little wizard houses. Or whatever else people have grown shrooms in.

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I did 20 of these. No contamination. 2 jars got though. One of them was my fault.
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Re: Monotub vs Shoebox Question. [Re: Zav3r]
#28472557 - 09/17/23 01:05 PM (1 year, 3 months ago) |
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Those cultures need more work before going to grain. You want even uniform growth.
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Re: Monotub vs Shoebox Question. [Re: Mycolorado]
#28472778 - 09/17/23 03:49 PM (1 year, 3 months ago) |
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Re: Monotub vs Shoebox Question. [Re: Zav3r]
#28472807 - 09/17/23 04:09 PM (1 year, 3 months ago) |
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Learning how to identify clean spawn is a skill that takes time, whether grain, agar, slants, etc. Took a long time for "just because it's white doesn't mean it's right" to drill its way through my thick skull.
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