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How in the world have Americans been so stuck in their ways for so long
#28470665 - 09/16/23 12:46 AM (4 months, 9 days ago) |
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How in the world has America been predominately a two party system for so long! This has led to deep rooted power and money with corruption involved, and the longer we go on the harder it is to unravel! I mean just look at the recent rebellions against "the system" and what happened there.
Remember how No civilization lasts forever? Many times recently I've heard America is at the end of it's "life" as we know it. I mean, we're talking like a 50 year timeline till the America as we know it is no more.
Thoughts?
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Re: How in the world have Americans been so stuck int heir ways for so long [Re: Fiery] 1
#28470671 - 09/16/23 01:37 AM (4 months, 9 days ago) |
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Well churches are losing power, I mean, sure abortions illegal in some states for now but there are organizations dedicated to sidestepping that and providing better options to women who need them. I personally believe abortion should be viewed as a medical issue and should be freely available for any or no reason.
I think it'll get overturned before long.
I think legalizing marijuana and using psychedelics to treat mental health are going to have a huge impact on the next few generations, and I think it's gonna be shakey and precarious but also that we're poised on the brink of a new age of wealth and prosperity, as addictive as the doom and gloom stories can be.
All the breakthroughs and leaps in the last 20 years alone. I mean we could always blow it up but that's not as fun to guess about for me.
Shits bad but I think people are still getting used to having news and social media in their pockets at all times like even pooping and what have you.
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Re: How in the world have Americans been so stuck int heir ways for so long [Re: Fiery]
#28470719 - 09/16/23 05:02 AM (4 months, 9 days ago) |
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Fiery said: How in the world has America been predominately a two party system for so long! This has led to deep rooted power and money with corruption involved, and the longer we go on the harder it is to unravel! I mean just look at the recent rebellions against "the system" and what happened there.
Remember how No civilization lasts forever? Many times recently I've heard America is at the end of it's "life" as we know it. I mean, we're talking like a 50 year timeline till the America as we know it is no more.
Thoughts?
My thoughts is we get so focused on the 2 party system being bad which it is that we tend to gloss over the fact that there's not alot of great systems of governance.
Serious question. What system do you think would actually work in america? parliamentary/monarchy/socialism/communism? I don't see alot of great options.
Arabic countries are stuck in barbaric ways but we don't talk about it because we want to be supportive, we know that there's alot of good people and good food there,we know the civilians don't reflect the governments actions. We know that it can be a good country even if they execute people for drinking or being gay because it's the people that make the country good or bad. The problems we have is with the leaders and radicals not the people of the country. Why shouldn't we view ourselves that way?
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Re: How in the world have Americans been so stuck int heir ways for so long [Re: Seriously_trippin]
#28470750 - 09/16/23 06:30 AM (4 months, 9 days ago) |
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Seriously_trippin said:
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Fiery said: How in the world has America been predominately a two party system for so long! This has led to deep rooted power and money with corruption involved, and the longer we go on the harder it is to unravel! I mean just look at the recent rebellions against "the system" and what happened there.
Remember how No civilization lasts forever? Many times recently I've heard America is at the end of it's "life" as we know it. I mean, we're talking like a 50 year timeline till the America as we know it is no more.
Thoughts?
My thoughts is we get so focused on the 2 party system being bad which it is that we tend to gloss over the fact that there's not alot of great systems of governance.
Serious question. What system do you think would actually work in america? parliamentary/monarchy/socialism/communism? I don't see alot of great options.
Arabic countries are stuck in barbaric ways but we don't talk about it because we want to be supportive, we know that there's alot of good people and good food there,we know the civilians don't reflect the governments actions. We know that it can be a good country even if they execute people for drinking or being gay because it's the people that make the country good or bad. The problems we have is with the leaders and radicals not the people of the country. Why shouldn't we view ourselves that way?
the us has many barbaric ways of our own... cops arresting people in their own yards without warrents, taking people in for failure to show papers... while not breaking laws.
the system is in a state of decay...
some forums you cant even say certain things without getting banned from discussions...
its a whole mess. lol
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Re: How in the world have Americans been so stuck int heir ways for so long [Re: Seriously_trippin]
#28470756 - 09/16/23 06:40 AM (4 months, 9 days ago) |
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Britain has 4 parties, but nobody has voted for two of them since 1920. At least they aren't troubled with questions about 3rd parties.
I hate to make this argument, but I think it is proof that the two party system was not forced on us.
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Re: How in the world have Americans been so stuck int heir ways for so long [Re: jack_straw2208]
#28470760 - 09/16/23 06:46 AM (4 months, 9 days ago) |
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jack_straw2208 said: Well churches are losing power, I mean, sure abortions illegal in some states for now but there are organizations dedicated to sidestepping that and providing better options to women who need them. I personally believe abortion should be viewed as a medical issue and should be freely available for any or no reason.
I think it'll get overturned before long.
I think legalizing marijuana and using psychedelics to treat mental health are going to have a huge impact on the next few generations, and I think it's gonna be shakey and precarious but also that we're poised on the brink of a new age of wealth and prosperity, as addictive as the doom and gloom stories can be.
All the breakthroughs and leaps in the last 20 years alone. I mean we could always blow it up but that's not as fun to guess about for me.
Shits bad but I think people are still getting used to having news and social media in their pockets at all times like even pooping and what have you.
GREAT POST! WOW, so many truths here!
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Re: How in the world have Americans been so stuck int heir ways for so long [Re: Seriously_trippin]
#28470761 - 09/16/23 06:47 AM (4 months, 9 days ago) |
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Seriously_trippin said:
Serious question. What system do you think would actually work in america? parliamentary/monarchy/socialism/communism? I don't see alot of great options.
A democratic system with more than 2 parties that are so deeply ingrained they can't be erased or defeated in elections.
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Re: How in the world have Americans been so stuck int heir ways for so long [Re: Brian Jones]
#28470763 - 09/16/23 06:49 AM (4 months, 9 days ago) |
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Brian Jones said: Britain has 4 parties, but nobody has voted for two of them since 1920. At least they aren't troubled with questions about 3rd parties.
I hate to make this argument, but I think it is proof that the two party system was not forced on us.
Interesting, but to me it's just unwise to limit ourselves in America to two parties who make major decisions in our lives. I think its brainwashing from years of conditioning. And also makes corruption much easier.
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Re: How in the world have Americans been so stuck int heir ways for so long [Re: Fiery]
#28470779 - 09/16/23 07:27 AM (4 months, 9 days ago) |
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again 3rd and 4th parties WOULD do well here if given a voice.
suppression is the key.
if you believe people arent voting third party because they listened to all sides and made their own unmodified decisions about what they individually thought sounded best to them.
thats not happening here.
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Re: How in the world have Americans been so stuck int heir ways for so long [Re: rxb]
#28470788 - 09/16/23 07:42 AM (4 months, 9 days ago) |
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I disagree. I think people listen but even if they like what is said, they factor in chances of what is said getting done. You can have the best ideals in the world but with out a support group helping you accomplish them, they are just ideals. Our system works like it does cause that is the nature of the beast for it to work in actual governing. This is why things that are easily seen as good or bad take a bit for shifts to relate per legislation. Unlike a dictator that is top down. The good thing about our system is that there is hope of eventual improvement with out revolution. As long as we don't end up with a Caesar. Everybody talks about third party rather then working on the party they have. That is why isreal and the nazis ended up like they do when one party has to work with the other one to get rid of the third one. This does not mean a party can not become obsolete and replaced like hopefully happens to the republican party which no longer stands for policy but just power but hopefully the other party still has a chance so things can not move to far too fast bad though this means good comes slow as well.
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Re: How in the world have Americans been so stuck int heir ways for so long [Re: gww]
#28470856 - 09/16/23 09:00 AM (4 months, 9 days ago) |
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gww said: I disagree. I think people listen but even if they like what is said, they factor in chances of what is said getting done. You can have the best ideals in the world but with out a support group helping you accomplish them, they are just ideals. Our system works like it does cause that is the nature of the beast for it to work in actual governing. This is why things that are easily seen as good or bad take a bit for shifts to relate per legislation. Unlike a dictator that is top down. The good thing about our system is that there is hope of eventual improvement with out revolution. As long as we don't end up with a Caesar. Everybody talks about third party rather then working on the party they have. That is why isreal and the nazis ended up like they do when one party has to work with the other one to get rid of the third one. This does not mean a party can not become obsolete and replaced like hopefully happens to the republican party which no longer stands for policy but just power but hopefully the other party still has a chance so things can not move to far too fast bad though this means good comes slow as well.
yes part of suppression of 3rd parties is to say, if you vote a 3rd party you will get a "trump" or ... some other keyword for monster you arent voting for.
that is indeed part of the procress. what they are claiming is impossible and all the smart people know it and you will just give more votes to the bad guys... so get in line and vote the corruption you hate less.
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Re: How in the world have Americans been so stuck int heir ways for so long [Re: rxb]
#28470858 - 09/16/23 09:01 AM (4 months, 9 days ago) |
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example we cant afford 20 billion for single payer health care....
but hey we found an extra 10 billion under this chair... and we are sending it to the ukraine
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Re: How in the world have Americans been so stuck int heir ways for so long [Re: rxb]
#28470860 - 09/16/23 09:03 AM (4 months, 9 days ago) |
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rxb said: again 3rd and 4th parties WOULD do well here if given a voice.
suppression is the key.
if you believe people arent voting third party because they listened to all sides and made their own unmodified decisions about what they individually thought sounded best to them.
thats not happening here.
Damn right about this. America is Basically like the Wizard of Oz, where the elite politicians are the "Man behind the screen" in this metaphor.
*MY* speculation is maybe not this election but the next- a new powerful, charismatic leader will arise, and be elected as President of the USA. Someone unexpected. Not a democrat or Repubelican either. Mark my words here- And this person might even be the anti Christ that leads the world into nuclear disaster.
Ok- let me put my crystal ball down.
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Re: How in the world have Americans been so stuck int heir ways for so long [Re: Fiery]
#28470867 - 09/16/23 09:08 AM (4 months, 9 days ago) |
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shrug... my guess is... based on history... if a 3rd party gets close, one of the 2 parties will blend into the new whig party... and we will have a 2 party system once more.
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Re: How in the world have Americans been so stuck int heir ways for so long [Re: rxb]
#28470870 - 09/16/23 09:10 AM (4 months, 9 days ago) |
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Yeah or it will go straight up Ecuadorian style and they will just execute any opposition- but here in America they'd have to do a cover up like gang violence or political madman sniper because that open face drive by in broad daylight doesn't fly here in America in most places(YET)
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Re: How in the world have Americans been so stuck int heir ways for so long [Re: Fiery]
#28470874 - 09/16/23 09:14 AM (4 months, 9 days ago) |
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Fiery said: Yeah or it will go straight up Ecuadorian style and they will just execute any opposition- but here in America they'd have to do a cover up like gang violence or political madman sniper because that open face drive by in broad daylight doesn't fly here in America in most places(YET)
they did get pac tho.
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Re: How in the world have Americans been so stuck int heir ways for so long [Re: rxb]
#28470879 - 09/16/23 09:19 AM (4 months, 9 days ago) |
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I hear you but on the other hand, my grandma in the 70s lived in a house that had no running water, no duct work, single pane windows, no storm windows. My other grand parents raised seven kids in a two bedroom house. All the wealth we see today does not solve every problem and also is not the only important thing that happens in life but is also hard to look at and say how bad it is today when as a whole, we have always had problems, always will but it ain't that bad. My uncle use to tell me when ice cream was a nickel, he never had one but when it was a dollar, he could get it anytime he wanted. This is not to discount what could be possible or say be satisfied but more just to add perspective. Our rivers did used to be dirtier. You can hardly find a gravel road anymore. All government is not bad.
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Re: How in the world have Americans been so stuck int heir ways for so long [Re: gww] 1
#28470885 - 09/16/23 09:24 AM (4 months, 9 days ago) |
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gww said: I hear you but on the other hand, my grandma in the 70s lived in a house that had no running water, no duct work, single pane windows, no storm windows. My other grand parents raised seven kids in a two bedroom house. All the wealth we see today does not solve every problem and also is not the only important thing that happens in life but is also hard to look at and say how bad it is today when as a whole, we have always had problems, always will but it ain't that bad. My uncle use to tell me when ice cream was a nickel, he never had one but when it was a dollar, he could get it anytime he wanted. This is not to discount what could be possible or say be satisfied but more just to add perspective. Our rivers did used to be dirtier. You can hardly find a gravel road anymore. All government is not bad.
sure enough my point tho is... give the people healthcare?? NOO TOO EXPENCIVE... bomb the shit out of another country??? look we found this money we forgot was sitting there... here are 10 new planes...and 3 tanks and dont forget the matches...and ciggarettes. here you go friend!!!
<homeless person says> buddy can you spare a dollar for some chicken?...
nope im busy shipping this tank to the russian front.
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Re: How in the world have Americans been so stuck int heir ways for so long [Re: rxb] 1
#28470904 - 09/16/23 09:39 AM (4 months, 9 days ago) |
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It is not bad to have friends and my belief is our support of Ukraine is the right thing. I even believe long term it will help us toward the health care thing. I do agree that we would save money on health if we had single payer and increase access. We would have impact against workers for insurance companies and I don't know cost wise where that fits but we could do it and it would make Americans over all more free in their choices of making a living cause a specific job would not hold as much sway. It would be a step forward in my mind. I don't think just letting Russia doing the bombing is a good answer and do not believe the money on that stops the other. Having the will and the want is what stops it. Arguments like we should not negotiate with drug companies because it stops their innovation and this being believed is what stops us, not protecting our interest. Arguments like somebody might get something for free rather then pulling themselves up by their boot straps or I don't want to pay for somebody I don't like is what stops it. Some of those arguments stop people from helping them selves if it means including someone they don't like.
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Re: How in the world have Americans been so stuck int heir ways for so long [Re: gww]
#28470908 - 09/16/23 09:43 AM (4 months, 9 days ago) |
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our support of ukraine may very well be a good thing.
but it eximplifies there are PLENTY of funds to end hunger and sickness in the us.
we can do so in ways that would work with the economy and drive profits.
we choose to not help people in our own yards... but instead blow up our enemies.
thats who we are. fuck the sick fuck the hungry fuck the dying...and fuck the healthy russians too.
hell if you dont like mods being bullies... fuck your right to participate in conversations.
we are americans and we can censor and kill with reckless abandon... fuck your opinoins.
im not for it... im for hearing out all sides and coming to better ways of doing things and helping and including as many and as much as we can.
... shrug.
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