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I feel like weed gets a bad wrap
    #28470440 - 09/15/23 08:23 PM (4 months, 10 days ago)

I feel like weed gets a bad wrap!
It can really just be every bit as powerful as mushrooms
Just because it's legal, does it make it any less or more?
It's just "different"
What difference?
Existence?


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Re: I feel like weed gets a bad wrap [Re: solarshroomster] * 1
    #28470445 - 09/15/23 08:27 PM (4 months, 10 days ago)

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solarshroomster said:
I feel like weed gets a bad wrap!
It can really just be every bit as powerful as mushrooms
Just because it's legal, does it make it any lesser or more
It's just "different"
What difference?
Existence?w




Funny. I think weed is overrated and ultimately destructive after the honeymoon phase with it passes.


Edited by AspectOfTheCreator (09/15/23 08:35 PM)


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Re: I feel like weed gets a bad wrap [Re: AspectOfTheCreator]
    #28470447 - 09/15/23 08:28 PM (4 months, 10 days ago)

Life is just a fiction?


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Re: I feel like weed gets a bad wrap [Re: AspectOfTheCreator] * 2
    #28470455 - 09/15/23 08:37 PM (4 months, 10 days ago)

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I think weed is overrated and ultimately destructive after the honeymoon phase with it wears out.




Legal weed doesn't do it like what I relied on for 30 years; or maybe I just wore out the appropriate receptors.


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Re: I feel like weed gets a bad wrap [Re: Buster_Brown] * 1
    #28470682 - 09/16/23 02:27 AM (4 months, 10 days ago)

Just wrap it up and smoke it!

I find that weed can go well in combination with other drugs..

Alcohol, DXM for example.. or a low dose opiate.

Shroom come down for sure, same with ecstacy.


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Re: I feel like weed gets a bad wrap [Re: BrendanFlock]
    #28470748 - 09/16/23 06:26 AM (4 months, 10 days ago)

:whathesaid:


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Re: I feel like weed gets a bad wrap [Re: connectedcosmos]
    #28470780 - 09/16/23 07:29 AM (4 months, 10 days ago)

The Sadhu's smoke chillums by the roadside

Ethiopian priests chew coffee beans to pray through the night.

Weed should be eaten or drank, not smoked.


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Re: I feel like weed gets a bad wrap [Re: Asante] * 1
    #28470817 - 09/16/23 08:23 AM (4 months, 9 days ago)

Compared to mushrooms, weed has a stronger abuse potential.

Mushrooms are primarily psychedelic, while weed in addition to the psychedelic effect has a depressant, pain-relieving effect. This is caused by its acting as a positive allosteric modulator for opioid receptors. I think these receptors give cannabis the potential to be misused - I would say it's the reason why so many people end up taking it daily. They aren't seeking the psychedelic effect of weed, which fades over time, but rather the opium-like effect of weed, its capacity to dull the pain and reduce intense negative emotions. Sometimes the high isn't very mentally stimulating at all, and just serves to bring down the intensity of one's mental concepts. 

It will slowly become less spiritual with enough use and more like other depressants.

As merely a positive allosteric modulator it cannot cause an opioid overdose, but it can make one so overwhelmed that they can't stay awake and they 'pass out'. Some people rely on it to sleep and have a hard time sleeping without it.


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Re: I feel like weed gets a bad wrap [Re: Asante]
    #28470895 - 09/16/23 09:32 AM (4 months, 9 days ago)

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Compared to mushrooms, weed has a stronger abuse potential.

Mushrooms are primarily psychedelic, while weed in addition to the psychedelic effect has a depressant, pain-relieving effect. This is caused by its acting as a positive allosteric modulator for opioid receptors. I think these receptors give cannabis the potential to be misused - I would say it's the reason why so many people end up taking it daily. They aren't seeking the psychedelic effect of weed, which fades over time, but rather the opium-like effect of weed, its capacity to dull the pain and reduce intense negative emotions. Sometimes the high isn't very mentally stimulating at all, and just serves to bring down the intensity of one's mental concepts. 

It will slowly become less spiritual with enough use and more like other depressants.

As merely a positive allosteric modulator it cannot cause an opioid overdose, but it can make one so overwhelmed that they can't stay awake and they 'pass out'. Some people rely on it to sleep and have a hard time sleeping without it.




That's interesting. It's been curious to me why more people don't treat weed as a psychedelic. I was fortunate enough to try a high dose of mushrooms (4g of PE) alongside my week or 2x week dose of weed, and I feel like:

- A straight answer would say that shrooms are more intense in the sense that you forget more of who you are, where you are, etc.
- But the larger answer is that neither is more intense than the other; they are "unique" to each other and represent different states of consciousness, sharing a lot of similarities.

My point with this post was that, just because weed is legal, doesn't mean it can't be every bit as profound as shrooms. I've had some pretty "far out there" experiences with weed. Last night, in fact, I was gone for 7.5 hours after vaping my typical two bowls of THC 19%.

To be honest, the only pattern that I've noticed is that every trip seems to be more profound than the last. Just when I think I've seen it all, the substance (whether it be shrooms or weed) shows me, "but did you consider THIS".... and then reveals something so utterly awe-inspiring.

I guess I will count my blessings, but CreonAntigone, as I've said in the past, I think your advice to limit use is well given. The big wrinkle to it, however, is that I'm tending to notice increased sensitivity after consecutive doses, which I feel are bringing me to ever more profound states of mind, complemented by an interesting "freebie" shroom trance when I wake up between sleep periods (often, they're so extreme, it feels as though I might as well be levitating in my bed). Interestingly, my brother has also said that, often when he vapes weed the next day, he notices--far from from an increase in tolerance--actually increased sensitivity. This might go away if we were vaping every day, but, as I said, we typically vape weed, at most, twice a week... and all are accompanied with the spiritual visions (I wouldn't be interested in the substance for anything else). My goal is still to bring it to once every two weeks.

What would your advice to me be given this situation?



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The Sadhu's smoke chillums by the roadside

Ethiopian priests chew coffee beans to pray through the night.

Weed should be eaten or drank, not smoked.




How does your effects of eating weed differ from those of vaping / smoking? I've heard it's even more psychedelic, but I've never tried...


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Re: I feel like weed gets a bad wrap [Re: solarshroomster] * 3
    #28470957 - 09/16/23 10:22 AM (4 months, 9 days ago)

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I guess I will count my blessings, but CreonAntigone, as I've said in the past, I think your advice to limit use is well given. The big wrinkle to it, however, is that I'm tending to notice increased sensitivity after consecutive doses, which I feel are bringing me to ever more profound states of mind, complemented by an interesting "freebie" shroom trance when I wake up between sleep periods (often, they're so extreme, it feels as though I might as well be levitating in my bed). Interestingly, my brother has also said that, often when he vapes weed the next day, he notices--far from from an increase in tolerance--actually increased sensitivity. This might go away if we were vaping every day, but, as I said, we typically vape weed, at most, twice a week... and all are accompanied with the spiritual visions (I wouldn't be interested in the substance for anything else). My goal is still to bring it to once every two weeks.

What would your advice to me be given this situation?





I get that too actually. I know a lot of people don't, but I get sensitization from weed as well. I've frequently experienced it where, the day after an intense experience, it only takes a little bit, a much smaller dose, to get me to the same place.

I think one cause of this phenomenon is weeds very long half-life, and that your body is still clearing the THC from the brain by the time you take the dose the next day. Another cause I think is that it activates parts of the brain, and using it again activates them even more intensely, in an effect known as 'kindling'. But 'kindling' is dangerous because it just keeps getting stronger.

That 'reverse tolerance' can be just as problematic as the other kind of tolerance. Because, it can mean that even a dose which before you tolerated, becomes intolerable. It can mean new side-effects are introduced, and you won't be able to tolerate it as much; so it could mean that you'd have to stop using it or severely limit your use of the substance.

I, myself, due to developing a compulsive use habit, had to severely limit myself in my use of weed and at this point I can't look at it as recreational anymore. I'm not saying you're there yet, but that's what you want to avoid now by making good choices.

My advice for that situation is to stop using weed for some time if you notice a sensitization effect. Sensitization is also caused by tolerance, and lack of use will diminish it. You should clear your receptors away and give it a break all the same, just like if you'd had a reduced effect.

Consider: you say it made you gone for 7.5 hours. But you say it gets more sensitive with more use. So, what if next time you are gone for 9 hours? And then the time after that 12? And you say that it also impairs the next morning. So what if next time, it were to impair so much you can't complete your morning routine as you should? Or you had to drive somewhere and you still lacked full awareness? What if that trance in the morning becomes strong enough to be like a second high and you're still gone when you wake up?

Any time a drug is getting stronger in unpredictible ways, it's dangerous; you aren't sure where you'll end up and lose control of use.

All this can be prevented with appropriate spacing. By letting the mind rest between uses, the sensitization fades; one returns to baseline, one clears the mind and starts again. Then use is much better. It may seem like it is more profound after sensitization, but it is actually more profound after a break, because only then is one fully in control of the sensation. Only after a break can one appreciate the difference between baseline and the drug effect.

One has to rest the capacity for vision, or they lose it and it gets out of hand.


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Re: I feel like weed gets a bad wrap [Re: solarshroomster]
    #28471022 - 09/16/23 11:13 AM (4 months, 9 days ago)

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How does your effects of eating weed differ from those of vaping / smoking? I've heard it's even more psychedelic, but I've never tried...




What i did was very simple to memorize:

take 2-4x the smoked amount, crumble, place on a glass'worth of water in a pot. Without stirring, bring to a boil. Immediately at that temperature, kill the gas, let it sit for 15 minutes, unstirred, you then drink the tea and eat the soft grounds on an empty stomach. You may add honey.

then, with 333 average:

2-4 hours ascent
2-4 hours plateau
2-4 hours descent
= 6-12 hour trip

its one peaceful wave from coming home from work to going to bed.
Very relaxing and your lungs in total peace.


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Re: I feel like weed gets a bad wrap [Re: Asante]
    #28471048 - 09/16/23 11:38 AM (4 months, 9 days ago)

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solarshroomster said:

How does your effects of eating weed differ from those of vaping / smoking? I've heard it's even more psychedelic, but I've never tried...




What i did was very simple to memorize:

take 2-4x the smoked amount, crumble, place on a glass'worth of water in a pot. Without stirring, bring to a boil. Immediately at that temperature, kill the gas, let it sit for 15 minutes, unstirred, you then drink the tea and eat the soft grounds on an empty stomach. You may add honey.

then, with 333 average:

2-4 hours ascent
2-4 hours plateau
2-4 hours descent
= 6-12 hour trip

its one peaceful wave from coming home from work to going to bed.
Very relaxing and your lungs in total peace.




Thanks! I'll definitely be trying that. Although, 2-4x sounds pretty extreme. I think I will start off with just the normal dose before moving out higher.


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Re: I feel like weed gets a bad wrap [Re: Asante]
    #28471194 - 09/16/23 02:11 PM (4 months, 9 days ago)

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The Sadhu's smoke chillums by the roadside

Ethiopian priests chew coffee beans to pray through the night.

Weed should be eaten or drank, not smoked.




Scissor hash was a potentially dangerous experiment, on my part, but turned out to be very gentle.

Bhutan, Nepal and Northern India "temple balls".


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Re: I feel like weed gets a bad wrap [Re: CreonAntigone] * 1
    #28471466 - 09/16/23 06:02 PM (4 months, 9 days ago)

Coincidentally I vaped two 0.2 g bowls of indica today after a 14 month break.

It can be very powerful and useful medicinally for a variety of issues. Although recreationally I enjoy to consume it in whatever way only once in a blue moon because of the tolerance the body develops. With weeds potential side effects like anxiety, amongst others, make it almost a hidden requirements of weed itself to encourage it's use more and often, especially if you're using different strains. It can have a rush to itself.

Eating cannabis is usually an enjoyable experience, and can definitely recommend, but it can be very overwhelming if consumed too much. Creating cannabis butter/oil, or creating hash chocolate brownies can also be delicious.


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