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AlmaDelita
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Old outdated info thoughts 1
#28393408 - 07/12/23 11:02 AM (6 months, 13 days ago) |
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Okay something I thought of a while ago, I dunno if its considered "Advanced Mycology". But isn't it wild, like over ten years ago. Stuff (info) eventually became outdated. Like okay for example. The myths, like jars do not need to be in total darkness, indirect light is fine. You do not need vegetable oil in a bulk substrate. Side pinning is a cause of humidity and substrate shrinking rather than being exposed to light. Or that aborted pins are not any good or potent?
Anyone remember any other myths/outdated info? I can't be the only one who has thought about this before.
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Re: Old outdated info thoughts [Re: AlmaDelita] 1
#28393436 - 07/12/23 11:24 AM (6 months, 13 days ago) |
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isnt there one about fanning?
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AlmaDelita
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OH MAN the Oven Tek LOL I remember that one!
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Re: Old outdated info thoughts [Re: AlmaDelita] 1
#28397115 - 07/16/23 02:44 AM (6 months, 9 days ago) |
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- All dark when colonizing, including jars, spawn, and even after you mixed up a monotub, you'd cover it in a black garbage bag and not look for a week! (if you had the willpower not to peek 
- Those colonization chambers for your jars with the fish tank heater (yuck!, just grows more bad stuff in the heat!)
- Fanning is still a big one we see newer growers somehow taking on as practice.
- Anything with H202, Hydrogen Peroxide, Just no.
- Water Tubs now seem to be the default fruiting chamber for cakes as the are infinitely easier to make (no modifications like all the holes in a SGFC - never doing that FC again. WATER TUBS FOR THE WIN!
Just the ones I could think up off the top of my head but I'm sure there are more! Each time I took a break from growing and popped my head back here, I felt like I needed to do so much more learning.
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Re: Old outdated info thoughts [Re: Dave Bowman]
#28397167 - 07/16/23 04:30 AM (6 months, 9 days ago) |
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Dave Bowman said:
- Water Tubs now seem to be the default fruiting chamber for cakes as the are infinitely easier to make (no modifications like all the holes in a SGFC - never doing that FC again. WATER TUBS FOR THE WIN!
LOL yes!! I am not making fun of the early pioneers of cultivating, just find it all so amusing! Thank you Dave! It's wild how far we have came, as far as knowledge and techniques.
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Re: Old outdated info thoughts [Re: AlmaDelita]
#28397737 - 07/16/23 01:34 PM (6 months, 9 days ago) |
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A lot of them still exist and are used today 
Pasteurizing coir is a big one a lot of people still use bucket Tek wasting their time boiling water
"Fruiting conditions"
People trying to be sterile making tubs
People that stay in low 70s degrees because scared of contams which is somewhat true, but if you're clean it's beneficial for cubes to be in tropical temperature
List goes on
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Re: Old outdated info thoughts [Re: Eclipse3130]
#28412487 - 07/29/23 07:44 AM (5 months, 27 days ago) |
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I still pasteurize coir since i had contaminated bricks in the past. Doing it gives me peace of mind, even though i know it is not absolutely neccessary. And trying to be as sterile as possible while creating your tubs isn´t a bad thing either. It can significantly reduce contamination. Same as above, it gives me peace of mind, even though i know it is not absolutely neccessary.
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Re: Old outdated info thoughts [Re: Zwinst]
#28424022 - 08/07/23 09:36 AM (5 months, 18 days ago) |
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Almost every time I pasteurized coir it went green but I work with mold so I tend to bring it home...once I started sterilizing all the subs everyone claimed could only be pasteurized my success went way up (was only doing cubies so beneficial microbes were irrelivant)...that was like 2008 tho.
It's funny you bring up the myths cuz this used to be 1 of the worst places to color outside the lines...doing anything that bucked the norm used to face harsh criticism. Glad to see that has changed some.
Ironically most of the stuff we were doing has become the norm now.
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Re: Old outdated info thoughts [Re: rizingfire]
#28426924 - 08/09/23 09:45 AM (5 months, 16 days ago) |
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Oh for sure man. People would and still do get angry about no you did it wrong, despite true success shown in front of them.
Another one is the peroxide myth, I mean. It sucks when you're using Hydrogen peroxide to clean up a mistake. Just gotta toss that and start again.
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Re: Old outdated info thoughts [Re: Eclipse3130]
#28451018 - 08/29/23 11:11 AM (4 months, 27 days ago) |
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Eclipse3130 said: Pasteurizing coir is a big one a lot of people still use bucket Tek wasting their time boiling water
Do you just hydrate the coir with the appropriate amount of water and send it?
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Yes, no heating necessary. I have never seen coir contam on its own even sitting around for 60-90 days, coir is nutrition-less and inert. You can have bad quality control coir with organic matter in it which could cause small pockets of contam, but with good coir it's no issue
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Re: Old outdated info thoughts [Re: Eclipse3130]
#28452363 - 08/30/23 12:23 PM (4 months, 26 days ago) |
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Some say that 'cooking' the coir by adding the water hot makes it preferable to the mycelium compared to using cold water, but I am not sure if this is true.
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Re: Old outdated info thoughts [Re: covertjoy]
#28452402 - 08/30/23 01:01 PM (4 months, 26 days ago) |
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Also old myth. I've done all these experiments
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Re: Old outdated info thoughts [Re: Dave Bowman]
#28452569 - 08/30/23 04:27 PM (4 months, 26 days ago) |
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Dave Bowman said: - Those colonization chambers for your jars with the fish tank heater (yuck!, just grows more bad stuff in the heat!)
Idk if this is what you mean, but my "mentor" in 2014 had me build basically a double boiler with two large bins. The bottom bin had a 2" layer of water and an aquarium heater while the top bin floated on that. She had me put spawn bags (fucked in their own right) into that dank nasty bin and close the lid for no light.
She assured me all the yellow dischage was "myc piss" and that was "totally normal". After like 3 months of failure I ditched her ass, read up on shroomery, and my next attempt went smoothly
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Re: Old outdated info thoughts [Re: Eclipse3130]
#28452626 - 08/30/23 05:27 PM (4 months, 26 days ago) |
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Eclipse3130 said: Yes, no heating necessary. I have never seen coir contam on its own even sitting around for 60-90 days, coir is nutrition-less and inert. You can have bad quality control coir with organic matter in it which could cause small pockets of contam, but with good coir it's no issue
Thanks for the reply! I kindov wondered about that because of how many times I read that contamination comes from the grains and not the coir but was nervous to try it out because it works with the boiling and doesn't take all that much time.
But, if I can have it done in the time it takes to hydrate and not worry about heating then cooling, it takes most of the lead time out of making bins. Might have to give that one a try. I'm assuming it's the same ratio of water?
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AlmaDelita said: Or that aborted pins are not any good or potent?
I never heard of this myth, I always saw mention of them being potent.
Edited by blackout (09/10/23 02:04 AM)
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Re: Old outdated info thoughts [Re: blackout]
#28464067 - 09/10/23 07:45 AM (4 months, 15 days ago) |
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AlmaDelita said: Or that aborted pins are not any good or potent?
I never heard of this myth, I always saw mention of them being potent.
Yes. Aborts tend to have higher concentrations of psilocybin and psilocin. The lab I use for potency testing is preparing a report on this but the preliminary analysis is clear. Exciting times - lots of answers to old questions are coming.
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Here’s one: Paint the bottoms of tubs black to prevent side pins.
Here’s another: Low temperature drying, to preserve potency.
Cold water for hydrating coir? I’m so accustomed to using hot water the idea is giving me the shivers. I might give it a try…or not.
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Well just use logic to help you out. Coir is an inert nutrition-less substrate. It's extremely hard for spores to germinate on and grow.
You can test this by injecting sterile coir with mushroom spores, you can also hydrate with cold water and let it sit somewhere for 30+ days to your surprise nothing will have grown.
I've been using cold water coir prep for a long time, never have any issues, I think letting it sit for 30-60 days at a time on its own with nothing visibly growing is good proof of that.
Your concern comes into play with organic matter embedded into your coir, if it is of low quality, but even then using warm or hot water won't help you there either.
I simply do it as a big time saver, I couldn't imagine going back to boiling pots of water
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Re: Old outdated info thoughts [Re: Eclipse3130]
#28470281 - 09/15/23 04:49 PM (4 months, 10 days ago) |
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Eclipse3130 said: I simply do it as a big time saver, I couldn't imagine going back to boiling pots of water
It is not time consuming imo, just boil tap water in the electric kettle just 1 minute task for me, and pour it to the container. I have feeling that boiling water softens the hardness of coir that makes life easier for mycelium, which you say is also a myth, but known fact for grains.
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