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Asante
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What do you sense?
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Re: What do you sense? [Re: Asante] 2
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The noble savage weighed down by the accoutrements of civilization?
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An Omnicyclic tulpa man. Are those skulls? A destroyer of demon hoards. A vodou traveler man, a Papa Legba.
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Re: What do you sense? [Re: syncro] 2
#28470135 - 09/15/23 02:31 PM (4 months, 10 days ago) |
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I see a lot of faces in that artwork me likey pareidolia
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It reminds me of the intelligent rock from 'In the Tall Grass' or a 'scholar stone'.
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Re: What do you sense? [Re: Asante] 2
#28470239 - 09/15/23 03:59 PM (4 months, 10 days ago) |
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It makes me think of the face the ‘Legend’s of the Hidden Temple’ guy would make when one of the kids slips and falls
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There are many different, tribal languages and words, but using relateable methods.
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Nkisi Nkondi figures, often referred to as "nail fetishes", are endowed with a magical "charge" (bilongo) made from vital substances such as earth from an important person's grave, or bodily elements from fierce animals (i. e. leopards) or abnormal humans such as epilectics.
Although some unfortunate albinoes came to mind, I saw examples with lizard tails and blue glass.
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The figures are insulted and "hurt" with explosions and nails so that they will carry out the wishes of their tormentor. Some bear small bundles of textile or other organic material referred to as "dogs". These direct the vengeful spirits to the correct source, so a fragment of goat hair tied to the nkisi would ensure that the spirit hunted down the thief who had taken the animal.
The Kongo (or Bakongo) people live in the Democratic Republic of the Congo, Angola and the Congo. Their religious beliefs are based around a reverence for the dead who are believed to be able to assist in the determination of future destinies. The Nkisi Nkondis can be appealed to for assistance in times of duress.
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There is an online aftermarket for cursed objects, in case you wanted to have that collector's room from the horror movies.
Again, I feel that this begs the question from the tulpa thread. When is it done?
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It seems most anything in the spiritual and magic have similar applications around intention. A tulpa can be the pure Buddha or Christ in mind, or people can use prayer to curse.
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Re: What do you sense? [Re: syncro]
#28471158 - 09/16/23 01:40 PM (4 months, 9 days ago) |
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sympathetic_magic
Then, what becomes of the cursed object?
Does negative energy return to the magician, once the object is broken?
Does it become inert, like a spent battery, once it's mission is accomplished?
Is it like those enchanted brooms, on the Sorcerer's Apprentice, that might keep hauling the buckets of water, forever?
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Elementals came to mind, that may go on in their function for a long time, depending on power and intention. Apparently they eventually dissipate if not fed, or thoughts remain manifest if they are attended.
In eastern religions they make murtims, statues where energy of the personality is ritualistically invoked and established. These must be constantly attended to as the real person to maintain, offerings of food, bathing, clothing, worship. I suppose all of this would fall under puja, the category of worship ritual.
The act of establishment is prana pratishtha, meaning prana position, or resting, in the object or temple, "the consecration of a vessel or dwelling."
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Re: What do you sense? [Re: syncro]
#28471214 - 09/16/23 02:33 PM (4 months, 9 days ago) |
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consecrate
2b - to effect the liturgical transubstantiation of (eucharistic bread and wine)
I was wondering if they do this in Abrahamic faiths, as with a statue of Christ or a church, though all consecration does not appear to effect transubstantiation.
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Re: What do you sense? [Re: syncro]
#28471379 - 09/16/23 04:58 PM (4 months, 9 days ago) |
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In Protestantism, baptism and Communion is considered ceremonial, like a symbolic, public act of contrition or formal observance. All outward practice (called 'works') is considered secondary to salvation by grace, alone, not of works, lest any man should boast. Any doing of good deeds or churchy fixtures, fashions, traditions, etc, are just delivery mechanisms for an extremely simple message, like a proverbial blue ribbon, wrapping paper, or silver platter kind-of embellishments.
Actually, most people would be surprised to learn of thaumaturgy which places supernatural deeds in the place of miracles.
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Testament's Disciples of the Watch said: ...Disciples of the watch Obey! Or I'll burn you to that cross
Holding the mass The demon is cast To resurrect your soul Calling to him Is like an evil sin A prophet is what they're told...
Under whose authority, would they be compelled?
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2 Timothy 3 said: This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come. For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good, Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God; Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away. For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts, Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.
But, literalists are considered among the extreme fringes of the modern church.
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Holding the mass The demon is cast To resurrect your soul Calling to him Is like an evil sin A prophet is what they're told Taking the land under command Killing friend or foe Feel the might of his evil wrath Desecrate your soul
What are they saying? What is the mass, and the prophet in it?
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Re: What do you sense? [Re: syncro] 1
#28471453 - 09/16/23 05:53 PM (4 months, 9 days ago) |
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Well, in the plainest, most-whitebread interpretations of Christianity, it is a perversion to do magic.
The sorcerer or prophet or thaumaturgist wants to learn about the rules of creation, or to learn God's will, or to do God's will..
He is calling God and angels to legally witness upon designated holy ground, in starting a sort of church service.
His tools might be baptized or the euacharist used to confer life upon some inanimate object, which he controls in the name of God.
They are the same basic practices as the heathen, except in the name of the Christian God.
There is one example that would be called sympathetic magic in any pagan bookstore, in which flocks of pregnant animals are made to drink from a water trough in which there are sticks carved with patterns and so bear young with patterned fur.
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Asante said: He's as real as it gets. After having had an African misadventure, my Spirit Guide told me there was an orphaned Nkondi in Belgium, appointed to be mine if I wanted him. I did, and now my very tangible Guardian stands watch over me and mine in front of my altar.
He was given to a plantation owner in the pre-WWII "Belgian" Kongo to have the plantation be fruitful to develop the region, decades later in the 60s the whites had to go in a hurry (RUN DRC \o/) and he took the Nkondi to Belgium. My guess beyond that is that now, his grandkids weren't feeling it anymore with the colonial past, so he was up for sale.
Absolutely no one touched him with a 10ft pole for over a month, low price museum quality >100yo Nkondi, because he was waiting for me. The moment i showed interest he dropped his low bid lower, please take it!
Sounds like a horror movie, normal in African Traditional Spirituality.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nkondi
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kongo_religion
Synchronously, in a way I have plantations in Africa for the development of the regions too, and the Shroomery took that and made it beyond epic

so of course i did it the right way and transacted across the Nkondi and threw in 200 fruit trees, 100 in name of the seller 100 in name of the buyer through trees.org
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mandrax360 said: Reminds me of what in South Africa is know as the Tikoloshe.
 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tikoloshe
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Asante said: very interesting!
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In Nguni mythology, Tikoloshe, Tikolosh, Tokoloshe, Tokolotshe, Thokolosi or Hili is a dwarf-like water spirit. It is a mischievous and evil spirit that can become invisible by drinking water or swallowing a stone. Tokoloshes are called upon by malevolent people to cause trouble for others. At its least harmful, a tokoloshe can be used to scare children, but its power extends to causing illness or even the death of the victim. The creature might be banished by a pastor (especially with an apostolic calling), who has the power to expel it from the area. It is also considered a part of superstition and is often used in a satirical manner as a reference to overcome.
The client – usually a jealous person – will approach an evil witch doctor to take vengeance on someone. The client has to promise the soul of a loved one, but cannot choose who, as the Tikoloshe will choose the soul it decides to take. The witch doctor locates a dead body to be possessed, piercing the eye sockets and brain with a hot iron rod so that it cannot think for itself, and sprinkling it with a special powder, shrinking the body. The Tikoloshe is then let loose to terrorise its target, taking its payment of the soul of the client's loved one weeks, months, or maybe years later
Nkondi - What would you do in this case?
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In -this case-, a witch defiling a corpse to torture a spirit out of it to haunt another, i would bring the corpse to peace, this enlists the Tikoloshe to me, i send it out to the client of the witch to avenge his mangled journey in the afterlife and i directly strike the witch dead. Attacks like these have the duplicit cowardice of witchcraft, in the malevolent sense of duping a vulnerable spirit, his body is dead, into becoming a victimizer upon the living. The Tikoloshe is a wrathful victim so must be turned to the originator of his wrath, the spiritually defenseless client of the witch. Note that almost all who selfidentify as witches are witchdoctors as they intend to restore the balance towards harmony. Being a witchdotor or a witch can be only a spell apart.
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Re: What do you sense? [Re: Asante]
#28480299 - 09/23/23 06:32 PM (4 months, 2 days ago) |
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It seems that your intentions were charitable.
I see where there was a synchronicity, in that you were able to find the enchanted object.
It seems that you were in the servile role, not that the spirit was serving you.
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durian_2008 said: It seems that your intentions were charitable.
I see where there was a synchronicity, in that you were able to find the enchanted object.
It seems that you were in the servile role, not that the spirit was serving you.
If one thing is to be underlined, if you approach the spirit world, you ome bearing gifts and not intent to take.
Instead of demanding proof, prove yourself first.
We have an extremely bad name in the spirit world, our greed is upsetting all natural balanes, be a giver, not a grabber.
your giving side is your angel side, your taking side is your demon side.
My guide told me there was an old important orphaned Nkondi in Belgium that refused to be sold, unless to me if i wanted him, to protect and aid me and my works through me.
He sared off any prospetive buyer for almost 2 months and the ask prie lowered.
When i agreed to it, my Guide pointed the way where to find him and it was love at first sight
He asked me to piprick my finger and plae a drop of my blood on his tongue. I felt it was right and my guide was all for it.
That sealed the bond.
He asked to stand on a brand new heavy steel box, with in it, among things, a copy of Omnicyclion, which God appointed him the Nkondi guardian of, defender of this newly opened layer upon spirituality. (i channelled it, not wrote it!)
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