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Democrats have no respect for Democracy
#28467758 - 09/13/23 03:50 PM (4 months, 12 days ago) |
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When the Republicans had an insurgent, grass roots candidate rise up in their party, that candidate was allowed to win the nomination, and go on to be president. This is something that cannot happen in the Democratic party. They won't allow it.
Democrats don't believe in Democracy, they are currently rigging the nomination process in the primary election, for the 3rd time, more brazenly than ever.
https://x.com/RobertKennedyJr/status/1701682584881643691?s=20
How can anyone vote for a Democrat?
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Re: Democrats have no respect for Democracy [Re: Bigbadwooof] 3
#28467766 - 09/13/23 03:57 PM (4 months, 12 days ago) |
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Robert Kennedy, unlike Sanders, is an awful candidate. There is nothing to rig. The dude flopped about two weeks after he started his campaign. While I believe Sanders should have been chosen over Hillary, and it was clear the fix was out for him, RK isn't even in the same ballpark. For fucks sake, RK is a retard in comparison to Sanders, even Hillary, even Biden.
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Re: Democrats have no respect for Democracy [Re: christopera]
#28467773 - 09/13/23 04:03 PM (4 months, 12 days ago) |
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christopera said: Robert Kennedy, unlike Sanders, is an awful candidate. There is nothing to rig. The dude flopped about two weeks after he started his campaign. While I believe Sanders should have been chosen over Hillary, and it was clear the fix was out for him, RK isn't even in the same ballpark. For fucks sake, RK is a retard in comparison to Sanders, even Hillary, even Biden.
My post isn't about RFK Jr. It's about the Democratic party's disdain for democracy.
It's kind of funny.. I've always said that in advertising, if something is called the "best" (Milwaukee's Best), it's surely the worst. In a similar way Democrats have no respect for Democracy. Just kind of funny to me.
I'm waiting for someone to say "Trump has no respect for Democracy, dur-de-dur", but this post isn't about Trump either. Trump may or may not respect Democracy... He may be the fascist demagogue he's portrayed to be. That has no bearing on what I am saying, because Trump is not the Republican party. He's one member of the party.
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Re: Democrats have no respect for Democracy [Re: christopera] 1
#28467776 - 09/13/23 04:05 PM (4 months, 12 days ago) |
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Bigbadwolf You are funny. This all while the rnc is paying lots of trumps legal fees. How many republican states canceled their primary last election. Wolf, Do you know anything that you can be consistent on or just know anything at all?
The only thing I respect you on for the last few days it you pointing out milwaukees best is not best.
The republican party got rid of their policy platform and went with just support trump.
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Re: Democrats have no respect for Democracy [Re: Bigbadwooof]
#28467784 - 09/13/23 04:11 PM (4 months, 12 days ago) |
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Yeah but I am familiar with your post history and know what you are alluding to. The only disdain that is really plausible in the recent election cycles is from the ruining of Bernie's run in favor of Hillary. There are no other examples.
If you want to take a look at controls of votes have a look at gerrymandering. My state has long been Democratic, in fact, democrat registrations outnumber republicans by like 30%. Yet we have had Republican owned leadership of the state for at least 16 years. How?
Your premise is bullshit.
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Re: Democrats have no respect for Democracy [Re: Bigbadwooof] 2
#28467785 - 09/13/23 04:12 PM (4 months, 12 days ago) |
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If you care so much about democracy, why aren't you losing your mind over the republicans restrictive voter ID laws, or banning vote by mail, or closing polling stations? Why did you say you'd vote for vivek when he's talking about raising the voting age to 25 and adding more restrictions?
I'll tell you why, it's because you're falling for right-wing grifters.
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Re: Democrats have no respect for Democracy [Re: christopera]
#28467803 - 09/13/23 04:32 PM (4 months, 12 days ago) |
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christopera said: Yeah but I am familiar with your post history and know what you are alluding to. The only disdain that is really plausible in the recent election cycles is from the ruining of Bernie's run in favor of Hillary. There are no other examples.
I mean, that was the most glaringly obvious, and disgusting example, and that one example is enough to put me off the Democratic party, til they get their fucking shit together. However, I saw similar horse shit in Bernie Vs Biden, and they are not rigging the primary so that RFK Jr has to win 80% of the delegates to take the nomination.
Super Delegates are anti-democratic. The party leadership are anti-democratic. How can anyone support that?
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If you want to take a look at controls of votes have a look at gerrymandering. My state has long been Democratic, in fact, democrat registrations outnumber republicans by like 30%. Yet we have had Republican owned leadership of the state for at least 16 years. How?
Fair enough. That's actually a really good argument.
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Re: Democrats have no respect for Democracy [Re: Lynnch]
#28467808 - 09/13/23 04:34 PM (4 months, 12 days ago) |
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Lynnch said: If you care so much about democracy, why aren't you losing your mind over the republicans restrictive voter ID laws, or banning vote by mail, or closing polling stations? Why did you say you'd vote for vivek when he's talking about raising the voting age to 25 and adding more restrictions?
I'll tell you why, it's because you're falling for right-wing grifters.
Whoa whoa whoa... Did I say I would vote for Vivek? I must have been fucking around. There is no way in hell I would ever vote for him lmao!
When did I say that?
Democrats are more guilty of closing polling stations than Republicans. I don't see anything wrong with voter ID laws, tbh, and I don't know how I feel about voting by mail.
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Re: Democrats have no respect for Democracy [Re: Lynnch]
#28467809 - 09/13/23 04:37 PM (4 months, 12 days ago) |
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Lynnch said: If you care so much about democracy, why aren't you losing your mind over the republicans restrictive voter ID laws, or banning vote by mail, or closing polling stations? Why did you say you'd vote for vivek when he's talking about raising the voting age to 25 and adding more restrictions?
I'll tell you why, it's because you're falling for right-wing grifters.
Let me ask you something, Lynnch... Do you not have a problem with the actions of the Democratic party? The things I have mentioned? Are you unable to look at these charlatans with a critical eye?
You know, had they not done what they did to Sanders, he would have likely become president, and I, along with many many many others... Would still be Democrats. They are ruining our society.
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Re: Democrats have no respect for Democracy [Re: Bigbadwooof] 3
#28467810 - 09/13/23 04:39 PM (4 months, 12 days ago) |
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Bigbadwooof said: When the Republicans had an insurgent, grass roots candidate rise up in their party, that candidate was allowed to win the nomination, and go on to be president. This is something that cannot happen in the Democratic party. They won't allow it.
Democrats don't believe in Democracy, they are currently rigging the nomination process in the primary election, for the 3rd time, more brazenly than ever.
https://x.com/RobertKennedyJr/status/1701682584881643691?s=20
How can anyone vote for a Democrat?
The problem is that you're referring to the parties as if they were in opposition to each other. They are not. They are in collusion with each other to maintain the status quo which is in their mutual best interest. Trumpelstiltskin didn't change that. All the bickering is window dressing. Rest assured that Biden will weather his impeachment just like Trumpy weathered his because it's just theater to rile up the base so they can pretend that there's more difference between the center-right and far right wings our 1 party system than there really is, at the end of the day. Don't get me wrong, there is some small daylight between the parties on certain wedge issues like abortions or gun control, as examples. This is necessary for anyone to believe that they have an adversarial relationship but when it comes down to it, the Dems are always somehow comically inept at politics and shift just a little further to the right for the sake of enlightened centrist compromise. I'm just not buying it anymore. Many of these legislators are older than dirt with decades of experience but they can't figure out how to ever stymie the Republicans when it counts? C'mon.
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Re: Democrats have no respect for Democracy [Re: ballsalsa]
#28467827 - 09/13/23 04:50 PM (4 months, 12 days ago) |
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Bigbadwooof said: When the Republicans had an insurgent, grass roots candidate rise up in their party, that candidate was allowed to win the nomination, and go on to be president. This is something that cannot happen in the Democratic party. They won't allow it.
Democrats don't believe in Democracy, they are currently rigging the nomination process in the primary election, for the 3rd time, more brazenly than ever.
https://x.com/RobertKennedyJr/status/1701682584881643691?s=20
How can anyone vote for a Democrat?
The problem is that you're referring to the parties as if they were in opposition to each other. They are not. They are in collusion with each other to maintain the status quo which is in their mutual best interest. Trumpelstiltskin didn't change that. All the bickering is window dressing. Rest assured that Biden will weather his impeachment just like Trumpy weathered his because it's just theater to rile up the base so they can pretend that there's more difference between the center-right and far right wings our 1 party system than there really is, at the end of the day. Don't get me wrong, there is some small daylight between the parties on certain wedge issues like abortions or gun control, as examples.
I'm sure you know that I feel the same way, and have for a long time. I'm certainly not a Republican.
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This is necessary for anyone to believe that they have an adversarial relationship but when it comes down to it, the Dems are always somehow comically inept at politics and shift just a little further to the right for the sake of enlightened centrist compromise. I'm just not buying it anymore. Many of these legislators are older than dirt with decades of experience but they can't figure out how to ever stymie the Republicans when it counts? C'mon.
This is what makes me so fucking angry. The Democrats give the illusions of opposition, and destroy any hope of left-wing politics in our government. In that light, Democrats are worse than Republicans, and I personally feel that they are more anti-democracy than Republicans.
I mean let's look at this simple fact, butternuts... Trump WAS a grass roots candidate, and he was NOT the preferred candidate of the party (Unless you believe he was, but I certainly don't. He was too much of a wild card. Too unpredictable. Too uneducated in many important ways.)... Yet he was permitted to win the nomination.
The Democrats will not allow a grass roots candidate to win the nomination. They have made that clear. That's all you need to know. At least a grass roots candidate CAN win the Republican nomination. Now, I will say that Ron Paul got a bit of rough treatment during his presidential bid, but it was nothing compared to Bernie.
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Re: Democrats have no respect for Democracy [Re: Bigbadwooof]
#28467848 - 09/13/23 05:07 PM (4 months, 12 days ago) |
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Bigbadwooof said: When the Republicans had an insurgent, grass roots candidate rise up in their party, that candidate was allowed to win the nomination, and go on to be president. This is something that cannot happen in the Democratic party. They won't allow it.
Democrats don't believe in Democracy, they are currently rigging the nomination process in the primary election, for the 3rd time, more brazenly than ever.
https://x.com/RobertKennedyJr/status/1701682584881643691?s=20
How can anyone vote for a Democrat?
Are you calling Trump a "grass-roots" politician?

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Re: Democrats have no respect for Democracy [Re: Bigbadwooof]
#28467850 - 09/13/23 05:09 PM (4 months, 12 days ago) |
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Republicans had the tea party element to contend with. There's no comparable faction in the Dem party to necessitate any concession to the left. Leftists are too fractured over ideological differences but the message on the far right is too simple and universal to its base so there's no issues with 'enemy of my enemy' type of thinking for them. 1% knuckleheads and klan can get along fine because there's enough overlap of the venn diagram. Meanwhile, commies and anarchists are at each other's throats because a particular group betrayed the other once upon a time.
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Re: Democrats have no respect for Democracy [Re: Tulipslave]
#28467879 - 09/13/23 05:32 PM (4 months, 12 days ago) |
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Bigbadwooof said: When the Republicans had an insurgent, grass roots candidate rise up in their party, that candidate was allowed to win the nomination, and go on to be president. This is something that cannot happen in the Democratic party. They won't allow it.
Democrats don't believe in Democracy, they are currently rigging the nomination process in the primary election, for the 3rd time, more brazenly than ever.
https://x.com/RobertKennedyJr/status/1701682584881643691?s=20
How can anyone vote for a Democrat?
Are you calling Trump a "grass-roots" politician?
 
Trump was a grass roots politician. How could you possibly say otherwise. He never even held office before becoming president.
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Re: Democrats have no respect for Democracy [Re: ballsalsa]
#28467880 - 09/13/23 05:33 PM (4 months, 12 days ago) |
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ballsalsa said: Republicans had the tea party element to contend with. There's no comparable faction in the Dem party to necessitate any concession to the left. Leftists are too fractured over ideological differences but the message on the far right is too simple and universal to its base so there's no issues with 'enemy of my enemy' type of thinking for them. 1% knuckleheads and klan can get along fine because there's enough overlap of the venn diagram. Meanwhile, commies and anarchists are at each other's throats because a particular group betrayed the other once upon a time.
Anarchists can easily go tea party... but.. I'm curious what you mean, one group betrayed the other once upon a time?
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Re: Democrats have no respect for Democracy [Re: Bigbadwooof]
#28467883 - 09/13/23 05:35 PM (4 months, 12 days ago) |
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I guess you were joking, i hope youre joking about the trump stuff too 
I refuse to re litigate 2016 forever into eternity. The dem party establishment's job is to get a dem party establishment candidate elected, boo hoo, but you are acting like bernie had 99% of the vote and then the party capped him in the back of the head. In both elections, I was not prevented from voting for him. Sad to say, the fact is that he lost, this country is not nearly as progressive as we'd like to believe. Oh well.
It's old news. Doesn't fucking matter. Bernie's time has passed, bummer. But the mechanism of the Dem party allowed us to get closer than ever, and no one has proposed a more viable route to a left-wing victory. Burning it all down and letting the fascists win is not a viable path, at all. That would be the end to any leftist project for a generation at least.
The idea that both parties are the same benefits the right wing. It's horseshit. We have two neoliberal parties who will do everything in their power to maintain capitalism, but beyond that, on every issue Democrats are better.
It's clear you've fallen for some anti-vax conspiracy shit, but I really really really am sick of arguing about it, so lets agree to disagree about that.
I just want you to take a closer look at the content you're consuming, and pay attention to: how often they are attacking the right for their batshit insanity, vs agreeing with the right, vs attacking democrats, vs promoting actual positive leftist messages like pro-environment, pro-union, pro-community organizing
and how often your emotions are preyed upon by making you outraged and angry...
Do you know anything about Biden's NLRB?
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Re: Democrats have no respect for Democracy [Re: Lynnch]
#28467885 - 09/13/23 05:36 PM (4 months, 12 days ago) |
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Anarchists wouldn't be caught dead with conservative authoritarians. Historically, during the revolution anarchists and communists worked together, then the communists stabbed them in the back (quite literally)
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Re: Democrats have no respect for Democracy [Re: Bigbadwooof]
#28467894 - 09/13/23 05:42 PM (4 months, 12 days ago) |
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I'm waiting for someone to say
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Bigbadwooof said: "Trump has no respect for Democracy, dur-de-dur", but this post isn't about Trump either. Trump may or may not respect Democracy... He may be the fascist demagogue he's portrayed to be. That has no bearing on what I am saying, because Trump is not the Republican party. He's one member of the party.
You don't even need others to comment in your threads. You appear capable of arguing with yourself.
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Re: Democrats have no respect for Democracy [Re: Lynnch]
#28467902 - 09/13/23 05:54 PM (4 months, 12 days ago) |
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Lynnch said: I guess you were joking, i hope youre joking about the trump stuff too 
I refuse to re litigate 2016 forever into eternity. The dem party establishment's job is to get a dem party establishment candidate elected, boo hoo, but you are acting like bernie had 99% of the vote and then the party capped him in the back of the head. In both elections, I was not prevented from voting for him. Sad to say, the fact is that he lost, this country is not nearly as progressive as we'd like to believe. Oh well.
No, he was cheated out of the primary, blatantly. That is the fact.
And nothing has fucking changed.
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It's old news. Doesn't fucking matter. Bernie's time has passed, bummer. But the mechanism of the Dem party allowed us to get closer than ever, and no one has proposed a more viable route to a left-wing victory. Burning it all down and letting the fascists win is not a viable path, at all. That would be the end to any leftist project for a generation at least.
The mechanism has demonstrated that we will never make it to that finish line. It's clear that there is no future whatsoever for leftist politics in the democratic party. I highly disagree with you on every but of this. If the Democratic party collapsed, it would be replaced quickly.
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The idea that both parties are the same benefits the right wing. It's horseshit. We have two neoliberal parties who will do everything in their power to maintain capitalism, but beyond that, on every issue Democrats are better.
Obama may as well have been Bush. They are the same.
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It's clear you've fallen for some anti-vax conspiracy shit, but I really really really am sick of arguing about it, so lets agree to disagree about that.
People do conspire, in the world. How are you so sure you haven't fallen for the lies of your party? Why are you so trusting of a party that consistently fails you at every turn? Balls is right... they have all of these life-long politicians, who should have the game figured out, but the Democrats just never seem to accomplish fuck all for the middle class.
Fucking union busting pieces of shit. What Biden did to the RR workers is an unforgivable sin, for a "lefty"... whatever you think of railroad workers, they ought to have the right to collectively bargain on their own behalf.
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I just want you to take a closer look at the content you're consuming, and pay attention to: how often they are attacking the right for their batshit insanity, vs agreeing with the right, vs attacking democrats, vs promoting actual positive leftist messages like pro-environment, pro-union, pro-community organizing
It is my belief that Biden bombed thr Nordstream pipeline (because he said it himself)... I know many disagree with me, though. In my view, that is an unforgivable crime against the environment. Dems are union busters. Clearly... I don't know how you can argue otherwise. I don't think Trump would have done what Biden did to the RR workers. Maybe you do. We will have to disagree on that.
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And how often your emotions are preyed upon by making you outraged and angry...
Do you know anything about Biden's NLRB?
NLRB?
How can you separate your emotions from your politics? Politics directly affect the lives of everyone, and emotions are therefore involved.
Anyone who tells you their emotions are separate from their politics is either a psychopath, or lying.
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Re: Democrats have no respect for Democracy [Re: Ice9]
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You don't even need others to comment in your threads. You appear capable of arguing with yourself.
I'm more than capable of arguing against your stupid ass posts lol
They rarely have any substance, except laughing at people...
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Re: Democrats have no respect for Democracy [Re: Bigbadwooof]
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Bigbadwooof said: When the Republicans had an insurgent, grass roots candidate rise up in their party, that candidate was allowed to win the nomination, and go on to be president. This is something that cannot happen in the Democratic party. They won't allow it.
Democrats don't believe in Democracy, they are currently rigging the nomination process in the primary election, for the 3rd time, more brazenly than ever.
https://x.com/RobertKennedyJr/status/1701682584881643691?s=20
How can anyone vote for a Democrat?
Are you calling Trump a "grass-roots" politician?
 
Trump was a grass roots politician. How could you possibly say otherwise. He never even held office before becoming president.
Because he had been talking about running for President for like what, 20-30 years. He has political and legal ties. He has name/brand recognition. He was a world-known figure. He had funding that he himself didn't raise.
How exactly do you think he WAS a grass-roots politican?
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Re: Democrats have no respect for Democracy [Re: Bigbadwooof]
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Bigbadwooof said: What Biden did It is my belief that Biden bombed thr Nordstream pipeline (because he said it himself)...
Source/proof that Joe Biden said that he himself bombed the pipeline or you're lying (and we all know you're lying)
This thread is about as bad as my mom quoting Breitbart this afternoon as a legitimate source.
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Re: Democrats have no respect for Democracy [Re: Tulipslave]
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It’s pretty amazing to watch someone get red pilled like is happening to OP. It’s happened so many times around here it’s no longer surprising, but still fascinating how methodically some left wingers get reprogrammed before your eyes.
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Re: Democrats have no respect for Democracy [Re: Bigbadwooof]
#28468012 - 09/13/23 07:20 PM (4 months, 12 days ago) |
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Bigbadwooof said: The mechanism has demonstrated that we will never make it to that finish line. It's clear that there is no future whatsoever for leftist politics in the democratic party. I highly disagree with you on every but of this. If the Democratic party collapsed, it would be replaced quickly.
Progressive wins are stacking up in dem controlled states. You are completely misinformed. But fine, whats your big plan for left politics? A magical world where the dems disappear and a labor party appears in its place? Fantasy. But go ahead, vote for trump, who will do the complete opposite of the left movement you pretend to believe in.
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I don't think Trump would have done what Biden did to the RR workers. Maybe you do. We will have to disagree on that. ... NLRB?
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How can you separate your emotions from your politics? Politics directly affect the lives of everyone, and emotions are therefore involved.
Anyone who tells you their emotions are separate from their politics is either a psychopath, or lying.
Yes. Sure. But there is a strategy used in propaganda, that incites anger in order to get folks to turn their brain off. Your posts are seeping with it and it's obvious to everyone but you.
It's sad to watch.
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Re: Democrats have no respect for Democracy [Re: Tulipslave]
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Source/proof that Joe Biden said that he himself bombed the pipeline or you're lying (and we all know you're lying)
I'm sorry... "had it bombed"... Clearly I wasn't saying Biden bombed it himself. That's fucking retarded. Is this how you discuss shit? I mean, you honestly don't understand what I meant?
If you don't like my thread, you're welcome to leave it. You obviously don't have anything of value to contribute to it, because if you think I was implying Biden went and bombed the pipeline himself, you're beyond help.
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Re: Democrats have no respect for Democracy [Re: Bigbadwooof]
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Source/proof that Joe Biden said that he himself bombed the pipeline or you're lying (and we all know you're lying)
I'm sorry... "had it bombed"... Clearly I wasn't saying Biden bombed it himself. That's fucking retarded. Is this how you discuss shit? I mean, you honestly don't understand what I meant?
If you don't like my thread, you're welcome to leave it. You obviously don't have anything of value to contribute to it, because if you think I was implying Biden went and bombed the pipeline himself, you're beyond help.
I'm just replying to what you typed.
Say what you mean and mean what you say. It's not hard.
Now you're getting kerfluffed over your own fuck-ups. Classic.
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Re: Democrats have no respect for Democracy [Re: Bigbadwooof]
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Source/proof that Joe Biden said that he himself bombed the pipeline or you're lying (and we all know you're lying)
I'm sorry... "had it bombed"... Clearly I wasn't saying Biden bombed it himself. That's fucking retarded. Is this how you discuss shit? I mean, you honestly don't understand what I meant?
If you don't like my thread, you're welcome to leave it. You obviously don't have anything of value to contribute to it, because if you think I was implying Biden went and bombed the pipeline himself, you're beyond help.
Biden said he “had it bombed?”
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Re: Democrats have no respect for Democracy [Re: koods]
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At least he takes responsibility for his actions , we didn't get that from Trump at all .
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Re: Democrats have no respect for Democracy [Re: Lynnch]
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Progressive wins are stacking up in dem controlled states. You are completely misinformed. But fine, whats your big plan for left politics? A magical world where the dems disappear and a labor party appears in its place? Fantasy. But go ahead, vote for trump, who will do the complete opposite of the left movement you pretend to believe in.
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Fuck bro. Read an actual news site for once in your life. Again, completely misinformed.
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How can you separate your emotions from your politics? Politics directly affect the lives of everyone, and emotions are therefore involved.
Anyone who tells you their emotions are separate from their politics is either a psychopath, or lying.
Yes. Sure. But there is a strategy used in propaganda, that incites anger in order to get folks to turn their brain off. Your posts are seeping with it and it's obvious to everyone but you.
It's sad to watch.
In this thread, what am I angry about? I'm angry about Biden busting a railroad strike. Something he clearly did. Do you disagree? I'm angry that Sanders was cheated out of the nomination, which we all know is a blatant fact. It's been acknowledged by Donna Brazil, and tacitly by DWS, when she stepped down. It's a fact. I'm angry that the Democrats are fundamentally anti-democracy. A clear fact, do you disagree?
You bet your fucking ass I'm angry. Angry at the factual reality we live in, and not this fictional bullshit world you fantasize about, where Dems are a "left" party in any meaningful way.
If you want to attack something, attack my argument, instead of my character. Yes, I am angry. No, I'm not crazy. I have very good reason to be angry... To feel disenfranchised. I'm sure to some extent you must feel angry and disenfranchised by the Democratic party. Our response to that anger is just different.
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Re: Democrats have no respect for Democracy [Re: koods]
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Lol!
I guess I'll give him two points for that.
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We've been over this. You and I disagree, and that's not likely to change, but as far as I'm concerned, it's only reasonable to assume Biden did what he said he was going to do in this video. It takes some real mental gymnastics and partisan, disingenuous, hackiness to claim otherwise.
If Trump had said this, and things played out as they did... You would acknowledge that he did what he said he was going to do.
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Re: Democrats have no respect for Democracy [Re: Bigbadwooof]
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trump did admit to an act of war. like on national television for real style when he ordered that iranian dude get wacked.
thats admitting you did something.
biden said. we will put an end to it. and they did through sanctions and political pressure with germany refusing to certify rendering the pipeline utterly useless THEN it blows up after the fact. ukraine maybe. thru direct orders from biden? i highly highly doubt it considering he already accomplished his task.
what do big foot, cthulhu and biden have in common? they share the same chances of being involved in nordstream. maybe ill eat those words but i doubt it.
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Re: Democrats have no respect for Democracy [Re: Bigbadwooof]
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You do understand that hillery won the nomination with out needing the super delegates because she got more state primary delegates as well as more of the popular vote don't you? Secondly, you go on and on about republicans being more democratic. You do understand that many of the republican states are winner take all while more of the democrate are proportional. Which is really more reflective of a democratic choice? Bernie griped about super delegates then changed when he was losing the vote of the people and decided a contested convention using the super delegates would be better. Eventually he realized he did not get the most votes and did the right thing and voted and pushed for hillery cause trump was much worse for america. I can look up to bernie cause he wanted to do the right thing and did not throw the little pissy fit you throw and want to burn down the house cause the majority of voters did not agree with you.
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Re: Democrats have no respect for Democracy [Re: gww] 1
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If you look into the Bernie situation you will see that he got screwed. I am not saying that Bernie was the more electable candidate (he wasn't), but he sure as fuck was the candidate that would best serve the American people even if he would have never been effectual due to the numerous political climates that oppose proper progress in this country. On principal, Bernie was off the charts. Practically speaking, probably not. Trump of course ended up being one of the worst presidents in history.
Woofs post here in this thread, and I actually really like Woof and his views a lot of the time, are totally retarded. Linking a single party to a lack of democratic (system not party) views is just dumb. Go vote in local elections and stop worry about the national ones. Only fuckups like Trump really mater on the federal level. The rest will maintain the status. For better or worse. Getting weed legalized, DMT legalized, mushrooms legalized, that happens locally. Reversing dumbshit racist laws reversed, local. Sure the feds still have a say, but once the masses push this stuff through the feds eventually follow.
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Re: Democrats have no respect for Democracy [Re: christopera]
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Bernie lost by votes. Bernie can hold his head up cause he is not whispery and is consistent in his beliefs and keeps pushing for them. I respect him and he is popular because of his actions. He was not popular enough to win. He did not give up on doing what he could from where he is and that does make him a bit of a hero cause he did not take his marbles and go home but still did as much right as he could from where he was. Wish all those with hurt feelings would have had as much class as him rather then wanting to cut their own nose off to spite their face. Trump? Sheeeze.
I agree on what can happen at local but do say jerrymandering does not make that completely representative of the populace every time.
I like my wife, no let me change that I like my kids but that does not make them right on every subject, my wife is always right is what I tell her though.
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Re: Democrats have no respect for Democracy [Re: gww]
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Bernie got screwed. I never said he would win the nomination if he didn't get screwed, but we know he got screwed. I also agree that he would have lost to Trump. Hillary did too... Bernie was the high road and to some degree that is what Woof is mad about.
I appreciate the Republican party for letting Trump march in. It's going great for them.
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Re: Democrats have no respect for Democracy [Re: christopera]
#28468218 - 09/13/23 09:33 PM (4 months, 12 days ago) |
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 I lose lots of times but don't believe in throwing the baby out with the bath water. It is an excuse but not a good one.
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Re: Democrats have no respect for Democracy [Re: Bigbadwooof]
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Lol!
I guess I'll give him two points for that.
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We've been over this. You and I disagree, and that's not likely to change, but as far as I'm concerned, it's only reasonable to assume Biden did what he said he was going to do in this video. It takes some real mental gymnastics and partisan, disingenuous, hackiness to claim otherwise.
If Trump had said this, and things played out as they did... You would acknowledge that he did what he said he was going to do.
You said Biden said he “had it bombed.” You put quotes around those words, which means he literally said those exact words. When did he say that?
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Re: Democrats have no respect for Democracy [Re: Bigbadwooof]
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You know what I'm happy about? Bidens NLRB and all of the other union victories. Which you know nothing about because you listen to right-wing media pretending to be left wing.
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I'm angry that Sanders was cheated out of the nomination, which we all know is a blatant fact.
Fine. Cry about it for another fucking decade. Meanwhile, actual leftists and progressives will organize to gain more ground.
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Go for it. Good luck. But just so you know, voting for trump isn't 'something new', it's the same old fascist shit.
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Re: Democrats have no respect for Democracy [Re: Tulipslave]
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Bigbadwooof said: When the Republicans had an insurgent, grass roots candidate rise up in their party, that candidate was allowed to win the nomination, and go on to be president. This is something that cannot happen in the Democratic party. They won't allow it.
Democrats don't believe in Democracy, they are currently rigging the nomination process in the primary election, for the 3rd time, more brazenly than ever.
https://x.com/RobertKennedyJr/status/1701682584881643691?s=20
How can anyone vote for a Democrat?
Are you calling Trump a "grass-roots" politician?
 
Trump was a grass roots politician. How could you possibly say otherwise. He never even held office before becoming president.
Because he had been talking about running for President for like what, 20-30 years. He has political and legal ties. He has name/brand recognition. He was a world-known figure. He had funding that he himself didn't raise.
How exactly do you think he WAS a grass-roots politican?
If "never held office before" meant grass roots politicians than surely bill gates would be considered grass roots of he were to run.
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Re: Democrats have no respect for Democracy [Re: Sulfurshelfsean] 1
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Just like how famous billionaires who own their own social media companies are anti-establishment
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Re: Democrats have no respect for Democracy [Re: koods]
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Re: Democrats have no respect for Democracy [Re: Bigbadwooof] 2
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You bet your fucking ass I'm angry. Angry at the factual reality we live in, and not this fictional bullshit world you fantasize about, where Dems are a "left" party in any meaningful way.
If you want to attack something, attack my argument, instead of my character. Yes, I am angry. No, I'm not crazy. I have very good reason to be angry... To feel disenfranchised. I'm sure to some extent you must feel angry and disenfranchised by the Democratic party. Our response to that anger is just different.
When I find myself in an abusive relationship... I'm inclined to walk away, and start something new.
Okay you're angry with the way things are - understandable - but what is this new thing you're inclined to start? How will switching parties or voting for a fringe (D) candidate bring about fundamental change?
Maybe by considering only the surface level behaviours of the incumbent Democratic party - without extending that critique to underlying structural causes that enable such behaviours - we're condemning ourselves to repeating the same mistakes.
Perhaps, instead of hoping to finally vote for that mythical politician who will selflessly act in the interests of the greater good, we should seek direct power and influence in how we live our own lives.
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Re: Democrats have no respect for Democracy [Re: shivas.wisdom]
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In this thread, what am I angry about? I'm angry about Biden busting a railroad strike. Something he clearly did. Do you disagree?
I guess you only read the headlines. Strike averted and Biden got the workers sick leave behind the scenes.
https://www.ibew.org/media-center/Articles/23Daily/2306/230620_IBEWandPaid#:~:text=The%20IBEW%20and%20BNSF%20Railway,Norfolk%20Southern%20on%20March%2010.
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This is a big deal, said Railroad Department Director Al Russo, because the paid-sick-days issue, which nearly caused a nationwide shutdown of freight rail just before Christmas, had consistently been rejected by the carriers. It was not part of last December’s congressionally implemented update of the national collective bargaining agreement between the freight lines and the IBEW and 11 other railroad-related unions.
“We’re thankful that the Biden administration played the long game on sick days and stuck with us for months after Congress imposed our updated national agreement,” Russo said. “Without making a big show of it, Joe Biden and members of his administration in the Transportation and Labor departments have been working continuously to get guaranteed paid sick days for all railroad workers.
“We know that many of our members weren’t happy with our original agreement,” Russo said, “but through it all, we had faith that our friends in the White House and Congress would keep up the pressure on our railroad employers to get us the sick day benefits we deserve. Until we negotiated these new individual agreements with these carriers, an IBEW member who called out sick was not compensated.”
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Re: Democrats have no respect for Democracy [Re: shivas.wisdom]
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Good to see you SW... Great post!
I'm not sure. I think that's a hallmark of left politics... People are upset, but they don't really know where to channel their energy. Like the Occupy "Movement". They had no list of demands and no leadership, and didn't accomplish anything.
I do see merit in voting for a fringe candidate. A less hawkish candidate, who hopefully will decrease military spending, and not saber rattle with Russia and China. That won't fix all of our problems, and I'm not certain what will. Replacing the party might root out the entrenched, lifelong bureaucrats within the party, and get some fresh, young blood in government, that has the will to do something better.
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Addressing structural causes is a monumental task. I think the constitution we have in America is excellent, and I don't think any attempt to change it would give us something better. I think we are condemned to make the same mistakes, and the system has to be refreshed from time to time, I guess.
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I wish we could have ballot measures on federal issues. I wish we could put more limits on the power and size of the Federal government. I don't know how to go about doing that.
But I am with you.
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Re: Democrats have no respect for Democracy [Re: koods]
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I guess you only read the headlines. Strike averted and Biden got the workers sick leave behind the scenes.
God.. you're such a fucking propagandist mouthpiece dude.
Biden killed the strike.
It's not up to fucking Biden to get them anything.
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Re: Democrats have no respect for Democracy [Re: Bigbadwooof]
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Re: Democrats have no respect for Democracy [Re: Bigbadwooof]
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How was he cheated? There was a primary, Biden got the most votes. Sounds like democracy to me. There's no point in whining over the fact that maybe in some scenario where the vote was split by people who knew they couldn't win, then the less popular candidate Bernie might have won.
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Re: Democrats have no respect for Democracy [Re: Bigbadwooof]
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I guess you only read the headlines. Strike averted and Biden got the workers sick leave behind the scenes.
God.. you're such a fucking propagandist mouthpiece dude.
Biden killed the strike.
It's not up to fucking Biden to get them anything.
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Re: Democrats have no respect for Democracy [Re: Bigbadwooof]
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In this thread, what am I angry about? I'm angry about Biden busting a railroad strike. Something he clearly did. Do you disagree?
I guess you only read the headlines. Strike averted and Biden got the workers sick leave behind the scenes.
God.. you're such a fucking propagandist mouthpiece dude.
Biden killed the strike.
It's not up to fucking Biden to get them anything.
whoa whoa whoa.... difference of opinions and shit... he didnt rape your mother he just said you got the wrong story... ease the fuck up and talk instead of acting like enlil...fuck.
did what koods said, not happen? it seems like it did from everything i read about it... what did you read that contradicts this?
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Re: Democrats have no respect for Democracy [Re: rxb]
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The IBEW and BNSF Railway reached an agreement April 20 to grant members four short-notice, paid sick days, with the ability to also convert up to three personal days to sick days.
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Re: Democrats have no respect for Democracy [Re: Ice9]
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Seems like Bigbadwolf spends his days being misinformed by Jimmy Dor.
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Re: Democrats have no respect for Democracy [Re: koods]
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Re: Democrats have no respect for Democracy [Re: koods]
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Speaking of Jimmy Dore, turns out he’s been in the pocket of some oligarch
follow up on that where?
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Re: Democrats have no respect for Democracy [Re: Kizzle]
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I'm angry that Sanders was cheated out of the nomination, which we all know is a blatant fact.
How was he cheated? There was a primary, Biden got the most votes. Sounds like democracy to me. There's no point in whining over the fact that maybe in some scenario where the vote was split by people who knew they couldn't win, then the less popular candidate Bernie might have won.
The head of the DNC herself said they cheated him out of the nomination. Why don't you ask her?
I'm talking more Sanders/Clinton, though.
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Re: Democrats have no respect for Democracy [Re: rxb]
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In this thread, what am I angry about? I'm angry about Biden busting a railroad strike. Something he clearly did. Do you disagree?
I guess you only read the headlines. Strike averted and Biden got the workers sick leave behind the scenes.
God.. you're such a fucking propagandist mouthpiece dude.
Biden killed the strike.
It's not up to fucking Biden to get them anything.
whoa whoa whoa.... difference of opinions and shit... he didnt rape your mother he just said you got the wrong story... ease the fuck up and talk instead of acting like enlil...fuck.
did what koods said, not happen? it seems like it did from everything i read about it... what did you read that contradicts this?
The Democrats criminalized a Railroad strike, and then threw them a bone, for optics. So they could say, "Look what we did for you".
It's not their place to do any of that.
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Re: Democrats have no respect for Democracy [Re: Bigbadwooof]
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Nobody is perfect but you might look at the big picture and also learn math. By the way, the congress that actually did it was a republican congress. You think with out biden it would have been better? Maybe you think the republicans would have went back and got the sick pay. That is a laugh. I was a local union president for three years in a plant with about 33oo employees and have been on strike and if I could find a way to put enough pressure on management to get what we needed with out striking, I would use it and so though I get your point and can see it clearly, I think over all it still is most important what those that would have paid the cost of a strike compared to what they got with out one think. The union leaders and workers.
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Re: Democrats have no respect for Democracy [Re: gww]
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gww said: Nobody is perfect but you might look at the big picture and also learn math.
"learn math" lmao!
... ok, I'll go do that!
Anywayyys... Even if this was some huge historic win for the union, I don't think it's right for a union to use the government to negotiate for them either. The government has no place involving themselves here.
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Re: Democrats have no respect for Democracy [Re: Bigbadwooof]
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The government is always involved. Regan locked out traffic controllers. It was always the local police that would break in and shoot the agitators in the early days. It was the federal gov that put national guard between strikers and police to keep them from killing each other. It is gov that make the laws that both are under. If I got something in a contract, gov can take it away with some law. Gov involvement is not the question but who they shoot is. That would be a good history problem for you to look at if you want to understand more. You being mad is part of the influence of that gov on which way they go. If you really care about the rr workers, you need to be right as possible with your anger, put it in the right place. It is those guys right now that need to be the judge of the out come. I get the feeling you get when the workers are getting shot or locked out but also like it when I get a little help. With out the gov, every strike would end up with a place filled with scabs. The question is what happened this time as far as good or bad and only the workers can answer that as well as they are also not the only workers in the nation. Big picture, what we got seems to be better then the alternative and nothing wrong with trying to even improve from there but going backwards won't help.
You gonna be mad at gov influence when you see senator bernie visiting the UAW picket lines tomorrow?
Unions were weakened when 17 republican governors all put right to work in their states at the same time. Gov involvement no doubt.
Personally, as a union leader I got as mad as I needed to get what we needed but when it was over, gracious enough to be thankful for a win.
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Re: Democrats have no respect for Democracy [Re: Bigbadwooof] 2
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Oh sure, vote for the party that tried to overturn the results of an election, refuses to accept those results, built a gallows with a noose outside of congress, broke into congress by force, killed police who tried to defend it, and tried to overthrow the government all because they didn't like that orange man didn't win.
Yeah, that's a party that loves democracy for sure!
Also RFK is a sleezy scumbag with zero chance of winning anything.
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Re: Democrats have no respect for Democracy [Re: nooneman]
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this point goes to nooneman.
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Re: Democrats have no respect for Democracy [Re: nooneman]
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nooneman said: Oh sure, vote for the party that tried to overturn the results of an election, refuses to accept those results, built a gallows with a noose outside of congress, broke into congress by force, killed police who tried to defend it, and tried to overthrow the government all because they didn't like that orange man didn't win.
Yeah, that's a party that loves democracy for sure!
Also RFK is a sleezy scumbag with zero chance of winning anything.
>repeats a bunch of NPC talking points >expects to be taken seriously
Sorry, what?
The Democrats are a literal joke that are going fullblown fascist before our eyes. Even Trump would be an improvement, as much as you might believe a bunch of hyper-politicized hyperbolic bullshit about him, but that doesn't mean the bullshit is true.
Hell, RFK would clearly be a massive improvement as well. Voting for Biden means you're voting for a braindead puppet with a multi-decade career of nonstop corruption (and now we can add a few million $$$ in Ukraine-related bribes to the list.) It's like voting for someone who hates you and wants to make you a slave on behalf of their benefactors.
In other words, voting for Biden is fucking dumb. It's self-destructive and defeating. Get fucking real.
Jesus fucking Christ. It's like they send out the update to the NPC firmware chip every so often and the MSM talking points are downloaded straight into your mind. They tell you who to hate and who to trust, and you just don't question it. Sickening. No wonder this country is in so much fucking trouble.
If this country ever collapses, it will be because of people like you, who shamelessly believed everything you were told - not Trump.
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Re: Democrats have no respect for Democracy [Re: chopstick] 1
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Your a funny guy Chop. Unironically using the term NPC in a very ironic way.
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Re: Democrats have no respect for Democracy [Re: chopstick] 2
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nooneman said: Oh sure, vote for the party that tried to overturn the results of an election, refuses to accept those results, built a gallows with a noose outside of congress, broke into congress by force, killed police who tried to defend it, and tried to overthrow the government all because they didn't like that orange man didn't win.
Yeah, that's a party that loves democracy for sure!
Also RFK is a sleezy scumbag with zero chance of winning anything.
>repeats a bunch of NPC talking points >expects to be taken seriously
Sorry, what?
The Democrats are a literal joke that are going fullblown fascist before our eyes. Even Trump would be an improvement, as much as you might believe a bunch of hyper-politicized hyperbolic bullshit about him, but that doesn't mean the bullshit is true.
Hell, RFK would clearly be a massive improvement as well. Voting for Biden means you're voting for a braindead puppet with a multi-decade career of nonstop corruption (and now we can add a few million $$$ in Ukraine-related bribes to the list.) It's like voting for someone who hates you and wants to make you a slave on behalf of their benefactors.
In other words, voting for Biden is fucking dumb. It's self-destructive and defeating. Get fucking real.
Jesus fucking Christ. It's like they send out the update to the NPC firmware chip every so often and the MSM talking points are downloaded straight into your mind. They tell you who to hate and who to trust, and you just don't question it. Sickening. No wonder this country is in so much fucking trouble.
If this country ever collapses, it will be because of people like you, who shamelessly believed everything you were told - not Trump.
if trump didnt say suspend the constitution... steal and refuse to return top secret information, share it with people who shouldnt have seen it... attempt to overturn the will of the people...
then i guess your saying biden was more of a fascist than trump would still be funny, but i probably wouldnt have literally have fallen out of my chair laughing at you.
on the one hand you have a guy trying to overturn democracy and on the other you have a guy who made insulin cheaper for old people.
now i think biden is a useful idiot past his prime who is a lowsey president and has trouble remembering his name and telephone number.
but come on... trump is a criminal. not just a liar, but also a thief, probably a spy even if he doesnt know it.
i can join you on the bash biden train. but trump is worse than biden in almost every way.
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Re: Democrats have no respect for Democracy [Re: rxb]
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Re: Democrats have no respect for Democracy [Re: rxb]
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Re: Democrats have no respect for Democracy [Re: Ice9]
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Chop absolutely slays sometimes. Shakespeare would have to do a case study on irony via Chops posting qualities.
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Re: Democrats have no respect for Democracy [Re: christopera]
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i mean the presidency is basically a level 3 self driving car... so all we really need is someone who will not try to actively drive it into a ditch and get us to the next driver... the car can basically do the rest.
trump is like putting a drunk toddler in the drivers seat of said level 3 self driving car.... it will try its best to keep from running into things and stay on the road but theres only so much you can do when the drunk toddler is trying to steer hard into a tree.
biden is a sleepy old man... he isnt going to actively steer into a tree but he cant see the lines so if the car fucks up, well we are screwed... but as long as all systems stay in place it will get there more or less without dings.
mario andreddi is no where to be found. i would really like it if we could get a real driver behind the wheel, but of the two choices one is a clear winner.
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Re: Democrats have no respect for Democracy [Re: rxb]
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Mario Andretti is alive and well. Though he isn't the driver he use to be, him and son Michael appear to be starting a Formula 1 team. Exciting!
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Re: Democrats have no respect for Democracy [Re: christopera]
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christopera said: Mario Andretti is alive and well. Though he isn't the driver he use to be, him and son Michael appear to be starting a Formula 1 team. Exciting!
wasnt saying he was dead... was saying there was no one like him in the metaphore.
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Re: Democrats have no respect for Democracy [Re: rxb]
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I wasn't being critical one bit. I was just adding a blip of info to a real situation.
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Re: Democrats have no respect for Democracy [Re: christopera]
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christopera said: I wasn't being critical one bit. I was just adding a blip of info to a real situation.
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Re: Democrats have no respect for Democracy [Re: gww]
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gww said: You gonna be mad at gov influence when you see senator bernie visiting the UAW picket lines tomorrow?
I'm 100% neutral on Bernie. He can make his rounds, show his face, get a little PR... That's all he's doing.
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Unions were weakened when 17 republican governors all put right to work in their states at the same time. Gov involvement no doubt.
That's a different sort of involvement, and one I am also against, of course.
I live in a right to work state.
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They passed right to work here and we had to get a state wide referendum on the ballot to get rid of it and it passed by over 60 percent and I live in a red state. Actually 67 percent, I just looked it up. Stupid republican legislators.
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Re: Democrats have no respect for Democracy [Re: gww]
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gww said: They passed right to work here and we had to get a state wide referendum on the ballot to get rid of it and it passed by over 60 percent and I live in a red state. Actually 67 percent, I just looked it up. Stupid republican legislators.
67% vote on a ballot measure? That's why I love ballot measures. It's the only way to accomplish things that politicians can't get done/can't get right. It's a sort of last ditch check/balance on power.
What state is that, if you don't mind my asking?
I live in Michigan.
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Re: Democrats have no respect for Democracy [Re: Bigbadwooof]
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Been to Michigan, I am in Missouri.
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Re: Democrats have no respect for Democracy [Re: gww]
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Do we have to start a separate thread for Republicans have no respect for the republic. There's not many left that do.
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Re: Democrats have no respect for Democracy [Re: Bigbadwooof]
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Bigbadwooof said: When the Republicans had an insurgent, grass roots candidate rise up in their party, that candidate was allowed to win the nomination, and go on to be president. This is something that cannot happen in the Democratic party. They won't allow it.
Democrats don't believe in Democracy, they are currently rigging the nomination process in the primary election, for the 3rd time, more brazenly than ever.
https://x.com/RobertKennedyJr/status/1701682584881643691?s=20
How can anyone vote for a Democrat?
Trump litterally told everyone the election was rigged with 0 proof. Lost 60 court cases alot of which by judges appointed by him, tried to use a slate of fake electors, tried to make mike pence just declare him president, urged his rabid followers to March on the capitol with strength and had rudy guiliani come out and say there should be "trial by combat".
For the first time in history the democratic transfer of power was halted by supporters of a president. His supporters literally stopped the democratic transfer of power in a fair and free democracy with 0 proof that it was stolen and still lied to all his supporters.
He begged for Georgia Republicans to "Find" votes for him and you have the gall to say it's democrats who dont care about democracy!?! You and every other trump supporter I've talked to about Jan 6th has 0 proof that the U.S. election was stolen yet still insists that democracy is rigged because some fat turd and political pundits told you it was true. You give 0 shits about burden of proof and in the process has damaged American democracy and really democracy across the world irreparably.
The DNC does screw over people like Bernie Sanders because they know a socialist is going to get absolutely no swing votes and so they screw people like Bernie sanders out of a chance and yes that is wrong.
But trump had all the evidence available and they can't find enough voter fraud or irrelegularities to overturn a single state, Bill barr (a man who authorized clearing peaceful protestors away with tear gas from a church so trump could take a stupid picture with a Bible) that guy does investigation after investigation and could find nothing, losing 60 court cases,strong arming rafensburger a guy who BTW had everything to lose and nothing to gain by lying to trump saying he didn't win the state, trump KNEW he lost but he also knew if he said he won and it was all rigged his supporters would eat it up so he did. He said fuck American democracy, fuck what the people want, id rather make every american born from now on distrust American democracy to the point of thinking democracy itself is rigged over a lie for me to save face and most Republicans just agreed with him because they wanted to be right. Still do.
So your argument that democrats are the ones who dont care about American democracy is fucking laughable. Democrats are no saints but Trump chose himself over the country and most of the republican party followed suit. There were some who stood up for the truth but they immediately got lambasted by Republicans calling them rhinos and it was career suicide for them but they actually cared about American democracy.
This is one of the most out of touch idiotic takes in politics I've seen all year.
I'm sure your not a bad person, in fact I actually like you but you bought this crap hook line and sinker.
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Dems and repubs don't care about democracy lol, the US is functionally an oligarchy.
Defending the red boot or blue boot in saying any of them care about democracy is a serious foot fetish in any case.
That's not to say they treat social issues the same because they don't, but economically they both put that boot on the layman's neck.
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Re: Democrats have no respect for Democracy [Re: sudly]
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sudly said: Dems and repubs don't care about democracy lol, the US is functionally an oligarchy.
Defending the red boot or blue boot in saying any of them care about democracy is a serious foot fetish in any case.
That's not to say they treat social issues the same because they don't, but economically they both put that boot on the layman's neck.
yep the way things are going i'll be getting banned from political discussions in public soon... one side or the other will have some tyranical moderator who wont like what i have to say and will gag me from saying it... discussion after discussion... until the whole country is somewhere no one can complain about authoritarian assholes.
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Re: Democrats have no respect for Democracy [Re: rxb]
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There is no real comparison of the republican party to the democratic party. The republican party got rid of their policy platform and decided to just go trump. That is not a shift to picking up some issue that a single issue voter might vote for just to get them over the hill. That is a shift that is just crazy. There is no republican party and they believe in nothing but ruling but not issues. It is people that do the jobs and so nothing will ever be perfect and to expect it is unrealistic. To only care about the bad things with out thinking of the good is not really and efficient way to make a voting decision. To decide one guy and doing anything toward that goal is it is just fucking crazy. No comparison at all.
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Re: Democrats have no respect for Democracy [Re: gww]
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gww said: There is no real comparison of the republican party to the democratic party. The republican party got rid of their policy platform and decided to just go trump. That is not a shift to picking up some issue that a single issue voter might vote for just to get them over the hill. That is a shift that is just crazy. There is no republican party and they believe in nothing but ruling but not issues. It is people that do the jobs and so nothing will ever be perfect and to expect it is unrealistic. To only care about the bad things with out thinking of the good is not really and efficient way to make a voting decision. To decide one guy and doing anything toward that goal is it is just fucking crazy. No comparison at all.
i agree with democrats SLIGHTLY more often at this point HOWEVER both sides are caged in tyrany and oppression .. there is no one representing the masses here.
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Bigbadwooof said: When the Republicans had an insurgent, grass roots candidate rise up in their party, that candidate was allowed to win the nomination, and go on to be president. This is something that cannot happen in the Democratic party. They won't allow it.
Democrats don't believe in Democracy, they are currently rigging the nomination process in the primary election, for the 3rd time, more brazenly than ever.
https://x.com/RobertKennedyJr/status/1701682584881643691?s=20
How can anyone vote for a Democrat?
Trump litterally told everyone the election was rigged with 0 proof. Lost 60 court cases alot of which by judges appointed by him, tried to use a slate of fake electors, tried to make mike pence just declare him president, urged his rabid followers to March on the capitol with strength and had rudy guiliani come out and say there should be "trial by combat".
For the first time in history the democratic transfer of power was halted by supporters of a president. His supporters literally stopped the democratic transfer of power in a fair and free democracy with 0 proof that it was stolen and still lied to all his supporters.
Wow dude. You act as if Trump is the first presidential candidate to contest the outcome of an election. Politicians do this all the time, not just presidential candidates. It's actually a function of democracy. If we're not allowed to question the results of an election, then we don't have democracy.
In those cases, if Biden really did win, the system worked. So, what is your problem? He has every right to sue if he wants to.
By the way, the "democratic transfer of power" was not "Halted", so that's just made up nonsense. I don't know where you're getting that from.
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He begged for Georgia Republicans to "Find" votes for him and you have the gall to say it's democrats who dont care about democracy!?!
Because he believed he had won. He believed there were votes uncounted. He wanted them to find them. This, in my mind, is entirely political and overblown.
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You and every other trump supporter I've talked to about Jan 6th has 0 proof that the U.S. election was stolen yet still insists that democracy is rigged because some fat turd and political pundits told you it was true. You give 0 shits about burden of proof and in the process has damaged American democracy and really democracy across the world irreparably.
I never said the election was stolen in the first place. I'm not a Trump supporter, firstly. The last person I voted for was Bernie Sanders. I never voted for Trump lol!
January 6th was a protest. A peaceful protest. It was not an "insurrection". Nobody tried to take over the government. You'd think if a bunch of gun nuts wanted to take over the government... They would have brought some fucking guns with them.
By the way, you don't think the Clinton Campaign weaponizing the FBI against Donald Trump and lying to the American people (Russiagate) for years on end to smear the man, because he won the election, is a thousand times worse?
They are using the judicial system to criminalize their opponents, instead of trying to defeat them in a democratic election process.
It wasn't a political pundit... it was DONNA BRAZILE... She was the head of the DNC. That, and the fact that Super Delegates even exist (Only within the D party, mind you)... Which is utterly undemocratic. Donna Brazile explained how the 2016 election was rigged, and it was. Debbie Wasserman Schultz was forced to step down, because she was rigging the Democratic process. Anyone who was paying attention knows the election was rigged in many ways.
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The DNC does screw over people like Bernie Sanders because they know a socialist is going to get absolutely no swing votes and so they screw people like Bernie sanders out of a chance and yes that is wrong.
That's not why, but at least we can agree that they "Screw over" (Another term for "Rig the electoral process") grass roots candidates.

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But trump had all the evidence available and they can't find enough voter fraud or irrelegularities to overturn a single state, Bill barr (a man who authorized clearing peaceful protestors away with tear gas from a church so trump could take a stupid picture with a Bible) that guy does investigation after investigation and could find nothing, losing 60 court cases,strong arming rafensburger a guy who BTW had everything to lose and nothing to gain by lying to trump saying he didn't win the state, trump KNEW he lost but he also knew if he said he won and it was all rigged his supporters would eat it up so he did. He said fuck American democracy, fuck what the people want, id rather make every american born from now on distrust American democracy to the point of thinking democracy itself is rigged over a lie for me to save face and most Republicans just agreed with him because they wanted to be right. Still do.
Questioning the results of an election is one of the core functions that keeps the process honest. Americans SHOULD be skeptical of authority. They SHOULD not place blind faith in the system. This is not a problem.
What I am arguing in this thread, is that the Democratic primary nomination process is rigged, and will never produce a candidate of the people, but rather a candidate chosen by the establishment. That is plain as day to anyone who is paying attention.
Whether or not the General Election process is rigged, is a different topic. To a degree, I would say that it is, on it's face, somewhat fundamentally undemocratic, due to Gerrymandering and the Electoral College (both of which work against Democrats, mind you).
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So your argument that democrats are the ones who dont care about American democracy is fucking laughable.
Hardly. It's demonstrable. By the way, your arguments all revolve around one person in the Republican party, Donald Trump. Not the party itself. The Democratic party, in it's fundamental structure (because of Super Delegates), is anti-democratic. Now the Democratic party is literally not even allowing challenger candidates to run in the caucus states of Iowa and New Hampshire. Those states have traditionally been the most important early states win, and highly predictive of the election outcome overall.
They know Biden will lose those states, so they aren't even letting challengers compete. It's undemocratic. It's inexcusable. You seem to be alright with the party rigging elections against grass roots candidates. In my mind, that's every reason to never vote Democrat again. I'll vote third party, and help some other party gain traction, with my vote, and hopefully put the Democratic party to rest.
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Democrats are no saints..... but Trump
This is the problem with your politics. "but Trump" isn't a good reason to throw your ethics out the window and excuse the Democratic party's undemocratic actions.
One last thing I want to say. While it's true that Republicans have closed a large number of polling stations, it's also true that the Democratic party literally just throws voters (Sometimes even life-long Democrats) off the voter rolls, if they have information that shows they are likely to vote for a candidate like Sanders. If you don't believe me, look at what happened in New York city in 2016. To me, that's worse than closing voting stations, because they don't even have the option to drive further, and wait longer. They just don't get a say in the nomination process.
If I remember correctly, the Democrats, in 2016, closed voting stations in areas that supported Bernie too. So... Fuck Democrats.
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Re: Democrats have no respect for Democracy [Re: rxb]
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i agree with democrats SLIGHTLY more often at this point HOWEVER both sides are caged in tyrany and oppression .. there is no one representing the masses here.
You agree with what they say? Or what they do?
I agree with all kinds of things Democrats SAY... Very rarely do I agree with the things they do, because the Democrats are the party of LIERS. Republicans will fuck you, but they will tell you what they're going to do, right to your face. Democrats give you the illusion of opposition, and in that way, they are the more odious of the two.
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Re: Democrats have no respect for Democracy [Re: Bigbadwooof]
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Re: Democrats have no respect for Democracy [Re: Bigbadwooof]
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Other candidates have questioned the outcome, but they still handed over the reigns peacefully. For you to yknow, not make that statement shines a light on how uninvolved you are and running on fee fees you're doing here.
Trump did try to sue and lost 60 cases.
Trump wanted to halt the democratic transfer of power through Pence, but pence didn't do it because he couldn't. Hence the whole hang Pence fiasco.
To call Jan 6 a peaceful protest is 100% proof of your ignorance and sharing of falsehoods surrounding the issue. That's inexcusably uninvolved.
Saying people can question the results is through and through a strawman because no one in the know has ever said otherwise.
Anyone can question the results, but you can't change them, or the democratic transfer of power.
What do you think of Ramaswamey saying people need to be 25 years old to vote?
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Re: Democrats have no respect for Democracy [Re: Bigbadwooof]
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Bigbadwooof must be unaware of all the recordings and notes that show that Trump knew the vote was both counted accurately and that claims of vote irregularities were false, pretty much immediately after the election.
Damn though, that dude got red pilled hard. Sad really.
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Re: Democrats have no respect for Democracy [Re: Ice9]
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Re: Democrats have no respect for Democracy [Re: Bigbadwooof]
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January 6th was a protest. A peaceful protest.
You've said some stupid shit, but this is might be the pinnacle of stupid shit. How many people have to die before it crosses over the line from "peaceful?"
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Re: Democrats have no respect for Democracy [Re: Bigbadwooof]
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Bigbadwooof said: When the Republicans had an insurgent, grass roots candidate rise up in their party, that candidate was allowed to win the nomination, and go on to be president. This is something that cannot happen in the Democratic party. They won't allow it.
Democrats don't believe in Democracy, they are currently rigging the nomination process in the primary election, for the 3rd time, more brazenly than ever.
https://x.com/RobertKennedyJr/status/1701682584881643691?s=20
How can anyone vote for a Democrat?
Trump litterally told everyone the election was rigged with 0 proof. Lost 60 court cases alot of which by judges appointed by him, tried to use a slate of fake electors, tried to make mike pence just declare him president, urged his rabid followers to March on the capitol with strength and had rudy guiliani come out and say there should be "trial by combat".
For the first time in history the democratic transfer of power was halted by supporters of a president. His supporters literally stopped the democratic transfer of power in a fair and free democracy with 0 proof that it was stolen and still lied to all his supporters.
Wow dude. You act as if Trump is the first presidential candidate to contest the outcome of an election. Politicians do this all the time, not just presidential candidates. It's actually a function of democracy. If we're not allowed to question the results of an election, then we don't have democracy.
In those cases, if Biden really did win, the system worked. So, what is your problem? He has every right to sue if he wants to.
By the way, the "democratic transfer of power" was not "Halted", so that's just made up nonsense. I don't know where you're getting that from.
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He begged for Georgia Republicans to "Find" votes for him and you have the gall to say it's democrats who dont care about democracy!?!
Because he believed he had won. He believed there were votes uncounted. He wanted them to find them. This, in my mind, is entirely political and overblown.
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You and every other trump supporter I've talked to about Jan 6th has 0 proof that the U.S. election was stolen yet still insists that democracy is rigged because some fat turd and political pundits told you it was true. You give 0 shits about burden of proof and in the process has damaged American democracy and really democracy across the world irreparably.
I never said the election was stolen in the first place. I'm not a Trump supporter, firstly. The last person I voted for was Bernie Sanders. I never voted for Trump lol!
January 6th was a protest. A peaceful protest. It was not an "insurrection". Nobody tried to take over the government. You'd think if a bunch of gun nuts wanted to take over the government... They would have brought some fucking guns with them.
By the way, you don't think the Clinton Campaign weaponizing the FBI against Donald Trump and lying to the American people (Russiagate) for years on end to smear the man, because he won the election, is a thousand times worse?
They are using the judicial system to criminalize their opponents, instead of trying to defeat them in a democratic election process.
It wasn't a political pundit... it was DONNA BRAZILE... She was the head of the DNC. That, and the fact that Super Delegates even exist (Only within the D party, mind you)... Which is utterly undemocratic. Donna Brazile explained how the 2016 election was rigged, and it was. Debbie Wasserman Schultz was forced to step down, because she was rigging the Democratic process. Anyone who was paying attention knows the election was rigged in many ways.
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The DNC does screw over people like Bernie Sanders because they know a socialist is going to get absolutely no swing votes and so they screw people like Bernie sanders out of a chance and yes that is wrong.
That's not why, but at least we can agree that they "Screw over" (Another term for "Rig the electoral process") grass roots candidates.

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But trump had all the evidence available and they can't find enough voter fraud or irrelegularities to overturn a single state, Bill barr (a man who authorized clearing peaceful protestors away with tear gas from a church so trump could take a stupid picture with a Bible) that guy does investigation after investigation and could find nothing, losing 60 court cases,strong arming rafensburger a guy who BTW had everything to lose and nothing to gain by lying to trump saying he didn't win the state, trump KNEW he lost but he also knew if he said he won and it was all rigged his supporters would eat it up so he did. He said fuck American democracy, fuck what the people want, id rather make every american born from now on distrust American democracy to the point of thinking democracy itself is rigged over a lie for me to save face and most Republicans just agreed with him because they wanted to be right. Still do.
Questioning the results of an election is one of the core functions that keeps the process honest. Americans SHOULD be skeptical of authority. They SHOULD not place blind faith in the system. This is not a problem.
What I am arguing in this thread, is that the Democratic primary nomination process is rigged, and will never produce a candidate of the people, but rather a candidate chosen by the establishment. That is plain as day to anyone who is paying attention.
Whether or not the General Election process is rigged, is a different topic. To a degree, I would say that it is, on it's face, somewhat fundamentally undemocratic, due to Gerrymandering and the Electoral College (both of which work against Democrats, mind you).
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So your argument that democrats are the ones who dont care about American democracy is fucking laughable.
Hardly. It's demonstrable. By the way, your arguments all revolve around one person in the Republican party, Donald Trump. Not the party itself. The Democratic party, in it's fundamental structure (because of Super Delegates), is anti-democratic. Now the Democratic party is literally not even allowing challenger candidates to run in the caucus states of Iowa and New Hampshire. Those states have traditionally been the most important early states win, and highly predictive of the election outcome overall.
They know Biden will lose those states, so they aren't even letting challengers compete. It's undemocratic. It's inexcusable. You seem to be alright with the party rigging elections against grass roots candidates. In my mind, that's every reason to never vote Democrat again. I'll vote third party, and help some other party gain traction, with my vote, and hopefully put the Democratic party to rest.
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Democrats are no saints..... but Trump
This is the problem with your politics. "but Trump" isn't a good reason to throw your ethics out the window and excuse the Democratic party's undemocratic actions.
One last thing I want to say. While it's true that Republicans have closed a large number of polling stations, it's also true that the Democratic party literally just throws voters (Sometimes even life-long Democrats) off the voter rolls, if they have information that shows they are likely to vote for a candidate like Sanders. If you don't believe me, look at what happened in New York city in 2016. To me, that's worse than closing voting stations, because they don't even have the option to drive further, and wait longer. They just don't get a say in the nomination process.
If I remember correctly, the Democrats, in 2016, closed voting stations in areas that supported Bernie too. So... Fuck Democrats.
You made your case for Bernie getting screwed and I do agree he got screwed by the DNC we agree on that. The reason he got screwed? It's not because they just want their puppet and anyone else gets screwed. It's pretty obviously because an actual socialist is not going to get ANY republican votes and the same goes for swing votes. It's guaranteed failure. I still think he got screwed and that it's wrong.
When it comes to questioning the results of an election not one president other then trump has said the entire election was rigged before and after the election with mountains of proof to the contrary. He not only questioned the outcome but his attorney General (a fiercely loyal one at that) couldn't find any evidence, then trump brought 60 court cases to try and make his point. There's was such a lack of evidence that even the judges HE appointed threw out his cases because they were based on nothing but hearsay. Then he tries to strongarm a republican in Georgia to find him enough votes to win.
Now if Trump wouldve just admitted that they couldn't find any evidence and told his supporters, we can't prove that the election was stolen I wouldn't be upset. However he never stopped telling the American people that their democracy was rigged. You say he believes it and that's all that matters. If you belive in the flat earth theory and all the evidence says its not true, ignorance and belief doesn't make it a strong argument there's still 0 proof. He was the president for God's sake he had all the records of the investigations by Bill barr, Republicans in Georgia were telling him he lost offered to show him exact numbers he didn't give a shit. He lost 60 court cases and still believed he actually won? Bullshit. He knew that he lost but also knew people like you would believe that he believed he won and excuse his actions.
The fact is the electoral count was in fact delayed for 4 hours while everyone hid from the rioters. They broke into the capitol of the United States of America not a fucking Macy's. If it was a Macy's I wouldn't be so upset. The chanted hang Mike pence with at least one homemade gallow. I have no doubt that if Nancy Pelosi was in arms reach of them they would've attacked her, they said as much on that day. A few officers died, the ones that didn't got death threats from supporters leading to suicides,brain damage and Ashley Babbit got shot and killed because she was trying to climb through a window to get the the capitol floor. Trump sent her there on that exact mission.
It was a literal attack on American democracy. The fact is trump did try and have mike pence refuse to count the votes to try and usurp American democracy. The facts are that trump said the night before that his supporters needed to March on the capitol and "show strength and not weakness" and then Rudy got on stage and said this was and I quote "a trial by combat"
The argument of who's worse In General democrats or Republicans I don't have an answer except they're both terrible in their own ways. But your SPECIFIC argument is that democrats don't care as much about democracy and right now trump has the majority of Republicans support and He doesn't give a shit about democracy he clearly would gladly see it burn to the ground rather them lose. And most Republicans are currently supporting and believing the biggest lie ever told in American politics.
It's my opinion that getting the American public to belive the election was stolen even though all of the actual evidence and proof unequivocally says that it wasn't it the most destructive thing to happen to American democracy in our history.
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This is the problem with your politics. "but Trump" isn't a good reason to throw your ethics out the window and excuse the Democratic party's undemocratic actions.
Don't give me that shit your entire argument is making excuses for trump and his supporters for why it was nothing more then a protest and didn't hurt democracy at all but THE DEMOCRATS are the real villains because they crewed Bernie sanders.
I can say with certainty that both parties are giant straming piles of shit, that Bernie was screwed of our the nomination which is wrong AND trump and Republicans or independents that support him or his lies have done irreparable damage to American democracy from what he did by tell everyone american democracy as we know it, having his supporters attack the capitol,trying to have mike pence just deny the democratic transition of power, prepare to install a slate of fake electors and after a new president was named continued to spread the bullshit and will continue to spread the bullshit until he's president again.
In this particular thread of yours you are talking about democrats having no respect for democracy because they didn't let Bernie in but you completely are denting the facts of what happened. You call breaking into the capitol of the United States of America specifically to stop the vote(in their minds at least) having to be removed 4 hours later and for the first time in American history the supporters of the president of the United States stopping the electoral vote by 4 hours and you call it a peaceful protest.
In short I'm willing to acknowledge democrats are shady,stupid and incompetent and they aren't to be trusted and Republicans are no better but all you can do is talk about how it's really the democrats that have no respect for democracy and that the same statement couldn't even possibly apply to Republicans if not Moreso.
But as I've said elsewhere I am done with hating each other. Yes I'm very passionate about it but you seem like a good guy so I don't dislike you don't think you're a cancer on America. On this one issue personally I feel your misguided about this but I bet you're a good person and you can believe whatever you want to believe. Could you say the same about democrats that you meet? I hope so.
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Re: Democrats have no respect for Democracy [Re: Enlil]
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Because he believed he had won. He believed there were votes uncounted. He wanted them to find them. This, in my mind, is entirely political and overblown.
A candidate called the person responsible for counting the votes and asked him to find just enough votes for him to win. That right off the bat is highly improper for a candidate to be privately communicating with an election official. Counting votes isn’t a fucking negotiation. Are you nuts?
But trump threatened him. Not only did he imply that if he didn’t find the votes that he wouldn’t be a viable Republican candidate in future elections, he told Raffensperger that what he was doing was a criminal offense
“The ballots are corrupt, which is totally illegal," Trump said. "It's more illegal for you than it is for them, because you know what they did and you're not reporting it. That's a criminal offense, and you can't let that happen. That's a big risk to you and to Ryan, your lawyer." "So, tell me, Brad, what are we going to do?”
What’s amazing to me is that if any other candidate ever did something like this, there would be almost universal outrage
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January 6th was a protest. A peaceful protest. It was not an "insurrection". Nobody tried to take over the government. You'd think if a bunch of gun nuts wanted to take over the government... They would have brought some fucking guns with them.
Some did. Some, like the oath keepers, had amassed a stash of weapons in hotel room near the Capitol. What abojt all the people with pepper spray? Why would someone bring pepper spray to a protest?
This guy is doing something more than protesting

Getting back to the gun question, the fact is nearly everyone who stormed the capitol that day was allowed to leave without being arrested, so we don’t have any idea if they were armed with guns or not
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By the way, you don't think the Clinton Campaign weaponizing the FBI against Donald Trump and lying to the American people (Russiagate) for years on end to smear the man, because he won the election, is a thousand times worse?
How was the FBI investigation weaponized when nobody knew Trump was under investigation until after the election. We knew Clinton was under investigation because Comey told the world she was under investigation ten days before the election. At the time he made that announcement, Trump had been under investigation for months, but the FBI refused to comment about that. And you think the FBI was working FOR Clinton? That is ridiculous.
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Re: Democrats have no respect for Democracy [Re: koods]
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And the premise of this thread is also dead wrong. I’m not sure how people have forgotten the plotting and scheming the GOP and other candidates engaged in to keep Trump from winning the nomination. It was much more overt that whatever you think the DNC did to Bernie. Bernie didn’t get enough votes. It’s as simple as that.
I think parties should be able to exert some control over which candidate will be representing the party brand. Because the fact is a majority of voters are voting for the party, not the candidate. This is why third party candidates are so unusual in American politics. 95% of the time, elections are won by a candidate from one of the two major parties.
Fuck if I were the Democratic Party I would be suing RFK jr to stop him from running as a Democrat, and certainly not let him participate in any Democratic Party sponsored debate. Because he is not a democrat.
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Re: Democrats have no respect for Democracy [Re: sudly]
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sudly said: Other candidates have questioned the outcome, but they still handed over the reigns peacefully. For you to yknow, not make that statement shines a light on how uninvolved you are and running on fee fees you're doing here.
Trump did try to sue and lost 60 cases.
Trump wanted to halt the democratic transfer of power through Pence, but pence didn't do it because he couldn't. Hence the whole hang Pence fiasco.
To call Jan 6 a peaceful protest is 100% proof of your ignorance and sharing of falsehoods surrounding the issue. That's inexcusably uninvolved.
Saying people can question the results is through and through a strawman because no one in the know has ever said otherwise.
Anyone can question the results, but you can't change them, or the democratic transfer of power.
What do you think of Ramaswamey saying people need to be 25 years old to vote?
Gore was robbed of his election, but once the legal process was exhausted, he accepted his defeat. On January 6th, 2001 he presided over the certification of George Bush. Talk about a contrast in character.
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It's pretty obviously because an actual socialist is not going to get ANY republican votes and the same goes for swing votes. It's guaranteed failure.
That is the most incorrect statement I have seen in a long time, could you tell the difference between cuddly capitalism, democratic socialism and socialism? Because it doesn't appear like you can from your statement.
Legislation from universal background checks to parental leave and marijuana legalization are all supported by the majority of republicans too.
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Unfortunately none of those things are socialism.
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Re: Democrats have no respect for Democracy [Re: sudly]
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Does anyone know about the fake electors scheme trump is involved it? With the 18 or so people involved.
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Re: Democrats have no respect for Democracy [Re: koods]
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Gore should have fought for another recount and he would won, trump did that and lost 60 times. Gore didn't have the right in him that trump does, and what makes it different is what trump did afterwards in regard to collecting classified material, and in the election regarding his fake electors.
Gore didn't have fake electors and nor did he keep classified materials or attempt to delete footage of their relocation.
The issue is not that trump is practicing his 1st amendment, it's that he is actively involved in coercion of the process, and he's currently going down for it.
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Re: Democrats have no respect for Democracy [Re: sudly]
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It's pretty obviously because an actual socialist is not going to get ANY republican votes and the same goes for swing votes. It's guaranteed failure.
That is the most incorrect statement I have seen in a long time, could you tell the difference between cuddly capitalism, democratic socialism and socialism? Because it doesn't appear like you can from your statement.
Legislation from universal background checks to parental leave and marijuana legalization are all supported by the majority of republicans too.
Would he have won the election if he was nominee? Or do you think as soon as he started talking about universal Healthcare, people would've seen him as a socialist and be easily defeated? Doesn't even matter that he's a democratic socialist the majority of Americans are too stupid to make that distinction especially if we are talking about swing votes and republicans. The attack ads would've been devastating.
I stand by statement he was doomed. Every Democrat I knew liked him but didn't agree with everything he said. Obama care was just partly socialized and that thing was an absolute mess. I don't think America is ready for a truly universal Healthcare proposal. I think he would've been run into the ground just based on that even if it was cheaper over the long run.
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If he ran you would have been informed that he's not a socialist, some call him a democratic socialist, but I'd consider him almost with cuddly capatalism, similar to how Sweden operates.
You wouldn't be calling Sweden a socialist country if Bernie was the nominee.
A lot of Americans are in the water and they're being told the coast guard are pirates by the people that threw them in the water in the first place. Plenty of struggling people are voting against their own interests because of the political kabuki theatre they've been exposed to.
It isn't going to change, even though there are hypothetical ways to do it, they're overhauls of the system from the top down, and the head is rotten.
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Re: Democrats have no respect for Democracy [Re: sudly]
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You wouldn't be calling Sweden a socialist country if Bernie was the nominee.
A lot of Americans are in the water and they're being told the coast guard are pirates by the people that threw them in the water in the first place. Plenty of struggling people are voting against their own interests because of the political kabuki theatre they've been exposed to.
It isn't going to change, even though there are hypothetical ways to do it, they're overhauls of the system from the top down, and the head is rotten.
I don't share your optimism that if he ran the swing votes and republicans would've immediately understood he wasn't a socialist and even see him as a "buddy to capitalism"
Ive been the guy arguing exactly what youre arguing to independents and republicans and essentially they plugged their ears and yelled its socialism and that will make us communist. They use socialist and communist interchangably they care so little about discussing actual nuance.
Whenever anyone makes the comparison to places like Sweden and demonstrating how it can work in America its ALWAYS gets met with cries of "it's going to bankrupt us, it's going to turn us into socialist Venezuela,going to turn us into communist China, in Canada if you have cancer you have to wait months to get treatment, on and on and on. No one seems to care that it would save us money over the long run. They don't care about the countries that it works but because "America's bigger and different then Sweden" Until it came to the pandemic then they said Sweden didn't lock down and they had almost no covid.
People are interested in what proves their point they already decided on because talking heads on TV and the internet told them that was the case and they decided to agree.
I'm not saying Bernie wouldn't be good for the country. Ultimately I think it'd be a good thing long term for the country but also when it comes right down to it he wouldn't have been able to anything he promised without the house and senate approving and excuse me if I think that's extremely unlikely that they would've been able to agree on anything little alone fully socializing Healthcare in America.
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It's a blend of good parts from socialist and capatalist policies, not a black and white one size fits all.
The majority of Republicans and democrats support universal background checks, parental leave and marijuana legalisation.
All things Bernie proposed, meaning he would get some republican votes on those alone.
The majority of democrats support universal healthcare but not the majority of republicans, a lot of the time because they don't know it would save the country trillions by removing the for profit middle man of insurance companies replacing them with a single government provider. There'd still be able to get private insurance, but would have their bases covered.
There's a variety of universal healthcare approaches, and they usually prioritise emergency cases and waiting times are an issue that can be worked on, but the overall is far more favourable and productive to a healthy America.
A strong president can use the power of his position to sway senate and house members to retain the presidents support, that an executive actions can get the ball rolling on a lot of issues.
I think there's a good chance Bernie would have won, and if he did, that he'd put in a better representative effort than we've seen any other president do.
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Re: Democrats have no respect for Democracy [Re: Ice9]
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Damn though, that dude got red pilled hard. Sad really.
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Re: Democrats have no respect for Democracy [Re: Enlil]
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January 6th was a protest. A peaceful protest.
You've said some stupid shit, but this is might be the pinnacle of stupid shit. How many people have to die before it crosses over the line from "peaceful?"
This may be the dumbest post you've ever made. Who died in the January 6 protest? Someone had a stroke, someone had a heart attack... and the cops shot a lady. I guess some dude got trampled to death, but if you can't mosh stay out of the pit.
People died in peaceful civil rights protests back in the day. It happens.
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Re: Democrats have no respect for Democracy [Re: Bigbadwooof]
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I dunno fellas... The number one person Trump didn't want to go against was Sanders, and Trump, for all of his faults, is good at reading the crowd. He knew he would lose.
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Re: Democrats have no respect for Democracy [Re: Bigbadwooof]
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January 6th was a protest. A peaceful protest.
You've said some stupid shit, but this is might be the pinnacle of stupid shit. How many people have to die before it crosses over the line from "peaceful?"
This may be the dumbest post you've ever made. Who died in the January 6 protest? Someone had a stroke, someone had a heart attack... and the cops shot a lady. I guess some dude got trampled to death, but if you can't mosh stay out of the pit.
People died in peaceful civil rights protests back in the day. It happens.
You are into some Orwellian shit brother.
You reppin the slogan, "War is Peace, Freedom is Slavery, Ignorance is Strength."
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Re: Democrats have no respect for Democracy [Re: sudly]
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Bigbadwooof said: When the Republicans had an insurgent, grass roots candidate rise up in their party, that candidate was allowed to win the nomination, and go on to be president. This is something that cannot happen in the Democratic party. They won't allow it.
Democrats don't believe in Democracy, they are currently rigging the nomination process in the primary election, for the 3rd time, more brazenly than ever.
https://x.com/RobertKennedyJr/status/1701682584881643691?s=20
How can anyone vote for a Democrat?
Trump litterally told everyone the election was rigged with 0 proof. Lost 60 court cases alot of which by judges appointed by him, tried to use a slate of fake electors, tried to make mike pence just declare him president, urged his rabid followers to March on the capitol with strength and had rudy guiliani come out and say there should be "trial by combat".
For the first time in history the democratic transfer of power was halted by supporters of a president. His supporters literally stopped the democratic transfer of power in a fair and free democracy with 0 proof that it was stolen and still lied to all his supporters.
Wow dude. You act as if Trump is the first presidential candidate to contest the outcome of an election. Politicians do this all the time, not just presidential candidates. It's actually a function of democracy. If we're not allowed to question the results of an election, then we don't have democracy.
In those cases, if Biden really did win, the system worked. So, what is your problem? He has every right to sue if he wants to.
By the way, the "democratic transfer of power" was not "Halted", so that's just made up nonsense. I don't know where you're getting that from.
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He begged for Georgia Republicans to "Find" votes for him and you have the gall to say it's democrats who dont care about democracy!?!
Because he believed he had won. He believed there were votes uncounted. He wanted them to find them. This, in my mind, is entirely political and overblown.
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You and every other trump supporter I've talked to about Jan 6th has 0 proof that the U.S. election was stolen yet still insists that democracy is rigged because some fat turd and political pundits told you it was true. You give 0 shits about burden of proof and in the process has damaged American democracy and really democracy across the world irreparably.
I never said the election was stolen in the first place. I'm not a Trump supporter, firstly. The last person I voted for was Bernie Sanders. I never voted for Trump lol!
January 6th was a protest. A peaceful protest. It was not an "insurrection". Nobody tried to take over the government. You'd think if a bunch of gun nuts wanted to take over the government... They would have brought some fucking guns with them.
By the way, you don't think the Clinton Campaign weaponizing the FBI against Donald Trump and lying to the American people (Russiagate) for years on end to smear the man, because he won the election, is a thousand times worse?
They are using the judicial system to criminalize their opponents, instead of trying to defeat them in a democratic election process.
It wasn't a political pundit... it was DONNA BRAZILE... She was the head of the DNC. That, and the fact that Super Delegates even exist (Only within the D party, mind you)... Which is utterly undemocratic. Donna Brazile explained how the 2016 election was rigged, and it was. Debbie Wasserman Schultz was forced to step down, because she was rigging the Democratic process. Anyone who was paying attention knows the election was rigged in many ways.
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The DNC does screw over people like Bernie Sanders because they know a socialist is going to get absolutely no swing votes and so they screw people like Bernie sanders out of a chance and yes that is wrong.
That's not why, but at least we can agree that they "Screw over" (Another term for "Rig the electoral process") grass roots candidates.

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But trump had all the evidence available and they can't find enough voter fraud or irrelegularities to overturn a single state, Bill barr (a man who authorized clearing peaceful protestors away with tear gas from a church so trump could take a stupid picture with a Bible) that guy does investigation after investigation and could find nothing, losing 60 court cases,strong arming rafensburger a guy who BTW had everything to lose and nothing to gain by lying to trump saying he didn't win the state, trump KNEW he lost but he also knew if he said he won and it was all rigged his supporters would eat it up so he did. He said fuck American democracy, fuck what the people want, id rather make every american born from now on distrust American democracy to the point of thinking democracy itself is rigged over a lie for me to save face and most Republicans just agreed with him because they wanted to be right. Still do.
Questioning the results of an election is one of the core functions that keeps the process honest. Americans SHOULD be skeptical of authority. They SHOULD not place blind faith in the system. This is not a problem.
What I am arguing in this thread, is that the Democratic primary nomination process is rigged, and will never produce a candidate of the people, but rather a candidate chosen by the establishment. That is plain as day to anyone who is paying attention.
Whether or not the General Election process is rigged, is a different topic. To a degree, I would say that it is, on it's face, somewhat fundamentally undemocratic, due to Gerrymandering and the Electoral College (both of which work against Democrats, mind you).
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So your argument that democrats are the ones who dont care about American democracy is fucking laughable.
Hardly. It's demonstrable. By the way, your arguments all revolve around one person in the Republican party, Donald Trump. Not the party itself. The Democratic party, in it's fundamental structure (because of Super Delegates), is anti-democratic. Now the Democratic party is literally not even allowing challenger candidates to run in the caucus states of Iowa and New Hampshire. Those states have traditionally been the most important early states win, and highly predictive of the election outcome overall.
They know Biden will lose those states, so they aren't even letting challengers compete. It's undemocratic. It's inexcusable. You seem to be alright with the party rigging elections against grass roots candidates. In my mind, that's every reason to never vote Democrat again. I'll vote third party, and help some other party gain traction, with my vote, and hopefully put the Democratic party to rest.
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This is the problem with your politics. "but Trump" isn't a good reason to throw your ethics out the window and excuse the Democratic party's undemocratic actions.
One last thing I want to say. While it's true that Republicans have closed a large number of polling stations, it's also true that the Democratic party literally just throws voters (Sometimes even life-long Democrats) off the voter rolls, if they have information that shows they are likely to vote for a candidate like Sanders. If you don't believe me, look at what happened in New York city in 2016. To me, that's worse than closing voting stations, because they don't even have the option to drive further, and wait longer. They just don't get a say in the nomination process.
If I remember correctly, the Democrats, in 2016, closed voting stations in areas that supported Bernie too. So... Fuck Democrats.
A peaceful protest? First, it was a violent insurrection, and the prison sentences were well deserved. We had to send out the message, this is what you get if you mess with us.
Second, the Democratic Party didn't suddenly shift gears when they more or less fucked over Bernie. They had always been that way. They were going on the assumption that a leftist can't win, the lesson they learned from George McGovern in 72. McGovern only got nominated because people were sick of the war; there was little support for any of his other ideas. But in 2000 it's possible that Bernie could have won, but only because of Trump. An establishment Republican would have beat Bernie easily. Let's also not forget that after the California primaries, the Bernie voters stopped voting. If he had won there was no congressional support to push his progressive agenda anyway.
Blame the entire United States for being conservative. Blame the Democratic party for being hypocritical; they are. But until further notice the GOP is neofascist. I'll still vote for Democratic assholes no matter how bad they are. I can't criticize you voting third party. I used to do in my younger days. It's idealistic, but I lost my ideals, and 3rd party could act as spoiler and swing the election to the right, and the right is more of a threat to democracy (admittedly ultra-flawed democracy) than ever before. Yes I threw My ethics out the window a long time ago, and IMO Trump (or Disantes and Ramaswamy) are a good enough reason. Servants of capitalism are still better than Mussolini.
Also, what's the evidence for New York 2016 that was worse than closing polling stations. I wouldn't put anything past the Democrats, but I didn't hear about it.
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Re: Democrats have no respect for Democracy [Re: Brian Jones]
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Yeah, it's not a "peaceful protest" when you smash windows to break into congress, build a gallows, hang nooses, beat and kill the police who try to stop you, try to break through barricades to reach senators, bring zip ties, and look for senators to hang. But I guess some people will defend anything.
Let's be honest, everyone knows exactly what went down but some people will say any sequence of words they can to try to get away with it.
The prison sentences are letting them off easy. They wanted to hang our senators and congressmen, doing anything less to them is letting them off easy.
Anyone who supports and defends that shit is a traitor. They know it too, they know they want to overthrow the government. That's their whole thing. They just want to use any series of words to make them seem oh so innocent, but it's a bunch of bullshit.
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Re: Democrats have no respect for Democracy [Re: nooneman]
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It's funny because what's left of the traditional Republicans agree. I never liked Mike Pence at all, but he stood up for the constitution at least. I think the more extreme of the rioters wanted to kill Pence even more than Pelosi or any Dem, if they could have got their hands on them.
The GOP always used to be the party of law and order.
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Re: Democrats have no respect for Democracy [Re: Brian Jones]
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Brian Jones said: It's funny because what's left of the traditional Republicans agree. I never liked Mike Pence at all, but he stood up for the constitution at least. I think the more extreme of the rioters wanted to kill Pence even more than Pelosi or any Dem, if they could have got their hands on them.
The GOP always used to be the party of law and order.
The Democrats are the ones defending the FBI and the CIA now... it's all backwards. The Democrats are the party that stands against free speech.
I'm sorry, but if you want to talk about neofascism, I don't know how you don't see Democrats as worse. They are worse.
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Re: Democrats have no respect for Democracy [Re: Bigbadwooof]
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Let’s see five examples of the Democratic Party being against free speech.
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Re: Democrats have no respect for Democracy [Re: Bigbadwooof]
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Bernie is from Brooklyn... obviously.. where they threw 126,000 voters off the voter rolls.
OK. That's a good source, and I couldn't find any others that didn't agree with your argument.
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Re: Democrats have no respect for Democracy [Re: Brian Jones]
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Voter rolls get purged all the time. I’m not saying I’m a proponent but it certainly is not unique to Brooklyn.
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Re: Democrats have no respect for Democracy [Re: christopera]
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Bro.. this was NOT normal one bit.
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Re: Democrats have no respect for Democracy [Re: Bigbadwooof]
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January 6th was a protest. A peaceful protest.
You've said some stupid shit, but this is might be the pinnacle of stupid shit. How many people have to die before it crosses over the line from "peaceful?" This may be the dumbest post you've ever made. Who died in the January 6 protest? Someone had a stroke, someone had a heart attack... and the cops shot a lady. I guess some dude got trampled to death, but if you can't mosh stay out of the pit.
People died in peaceful civil rights protests back in the day. It happens.
There were three people who died during the protest, and a cop died the next day. There was a heated battle at the south entrance for hours. Saying it was peaceful is simply being in full denial of reality. Over 1000 people have been charged
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Re: Democrats have no respect for Democracy [Re: koods] 1
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I'm not defending it all. Your NY argument is factually supported, and being in Brooklyn the Dems would be in charge. I can't think of any alternate explanation than it was to hurt Bernie. That's good to know, because I only knew about Iowa 2020 as blatant examples.
Certainly the establishment didn't want a progressive. Bernie surely was aware of that but still figured his chances were better with the Dems than running as a third party Democratic Socialist. Then he would have lost and siphoned votes from the Dems, which he was also aware of and maybe that was a huge factor in his decision. It didn't matter because Trump beat Hillary anyway.
So no it wasn't normal. I'm pessimistic and think everything's rigged when the stakes are high. The GOP is trying to stop nonwhites from voting in at least half the country. Given the SCOTUS and conservative dominace in many state goverfnments, they might get away with it.
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Re: Democrats have no respect for Democracy [Re: Bigbadwooof]
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Bro.. this was NOT normal one bit.
Bro NYC was Clinton’s stronghold in New York. Clinton won every NYC borough. Removing voters from Brooklyn hurt Clinton. Clinton is yellow
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Re: Democrats have no respect for Democracy [Re: koods]
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I think it's been made out to be a lot more than it was.
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Re: Democrats have no respect for Democracy [Re: koods]
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Bro.. this was NOT normal one bit.
Bro NYC was Clinton’s stronghold in New York. Clinton won every NYC borough. Removing voters from Brooklyn hurt Clinton. Clinton is yellow

Bullshit. They should have let the voters decide.
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Re: Democrats have no respect for Democracy [Re: koods]
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Bro.. this was NOT normal one bit.
Bro NYC was Clinton’s stronghold in New York. Clinton won every NYC borough. Removing voters from Brooklyn hurt Clinton. Clinton is yellow

That's the alternative explanation I couldn't think of.
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Re: Democrats have no respect for Democracy [Re: Brian Jones] 3
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A big problem for the Democrats in 2016 was that they were sure Clinton would win. I think she even stopped campaigning in some swing states. They were almost as sure that Gore would win.
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Re: Democrats have no respect for Democracy [Re: Brian Jones] 1
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That's because Democrats are out-of-touch corporatists. Anyone with half a fucking brain knew Clinton was a shitty candidate.
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Re: Democrats have no respect for Democracy [Re: Brian Jones]
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Re: Democrats have no respect for Democracy [Re: Bigbadwooof]
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That's because Democrats are out-of-touch corporatists. Anyone with half a fucking brain knew Clinton was a shitty candidate.
Let's clink beers to that man! There are things we strongly agree on and maybe we can start from there.
But who are you defending? Or are you defending anyone?
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Re: Democrats have no respect for Democracy [Re: sudly]
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That's because Democrats are out-of-touch corporatists. Anyone with half a fucking brain knew Clinton was a shitty candidate.
Let's clink beers to that man! There are things we strongly agree on and maybe we can start from there.
But who are you defending? Or are you defending anyone?
I don't drink, but cheers brother!

I'm trying to go all-in on a 12 step program, but... I don't like cults, or higher powers.
I defended Bernie til he stopped defending himself. I will give him credit for doing more to change the party than anyone else likely ever could have, and making class-politics part of the conversation again. I kind of like RFK Jr, but his views on Israel are beyond the pale. However, that's not a key issue of mine, and also, I don't think anyone can seriously run for president, and not be pro-Israel, at least on their face.
I'm not defending Trump. I am not afraid of him either.
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Re: Democrats have no respect for Democracy [Re: sudly]
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Legislation from universal background checks to parental leave and marijuana legalization are all supported by the majority of republicans too.
Those have nothing to do with socialism, though.
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Re: Democrats have no respect for Democracy [Re: Bigbadwooof]
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January 6th was a protest. A peaceful protest.
You've said some stupid shit, but this is might be the pinnacle of stupid shit. How many people have to die before it crosses over the line from "peaceful?"
This may be the dumbest post you've ever made. Who died in the January 6 protest? Someone had a stroke, someone had a heart attack... and the cops shot a lady. I guess some dude got trampled to death, but if you can't mosh stay out of the pit.
People died in peaceful civil rights protests back in the day. It happens.
So... more than 4?
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Re: Democrats have no respect for Democracy [Re: Bigbadwooof]
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I'm not defending Trump.
Are you delusional or just an outright liar? I don't even understand why you would claim you are not defending Trump after making this post? Were you blacked out when you made it?
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Bigbadwooof said: When the Republicans had an insurgent, grass roots candidate rise up in their party, that candidate was allowed to win the nomination, and go on to be president. This is something that cannot happen in the Democratic party. They won't allow it.
Democrats don't believe in Democracy, they are currently rigging the nomination process in the primary election, for the 3rd time, more brazenly than ever.
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How can anyone vote for a Democrat?
Trump litterally told everyone the election was rigged with 0 proof. Lost 60 court cases alot of which by judges appointed by him, tried to use a slate of fake electors, tried to make mike pence just declare him president, urged his rabid followers to March on the capitol with strength and had rudy guiliani come out and say there should be "trial by combat".
For the first time in history the democratic transfer of power was halted by supporters of a president. His supporters literally stopped the democratic transfer of power in a fair and free democracy with 0 proof that it was stolen and still lied to all his supporters.
Wow dude. You act as if Trump is the first presidential candidate to contest the outcome of an election. Politicians do this all the time, not just presidential candidates. It's actually a function of democracy. If we're not allowed to question the results of an election, then we don't have democracy.
In those cases, if Biden really did win, the system worked. So, what is your problem? He has every right to sue if he wants to.
By the way, the "democratic transfer of power" was not "Halted", so that's just made up nonsense. I don't know where you're getting that from.
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He begged for Georgia Republicans to "Find" votes for him and you have the gall to say it's democrats who dont care about democracy!?!
Because he believed he had won. He believed there were votes uncounted. He wanted them to find them. This, in my mind, is entirely political and overblown.
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You and every other trump supporter I've talked to about Jan 6th has 0 proof that the U.S. election was stolen yet still insists that democracy is rigged because some fat turd and political pundits told you it was true. You give 0 shits about burden of proof and in the process has damaged American democracy and really democracy across the world irreparably.
I never said the election was stolen in the first place. I'm not a Trump supporter, firstly. The last person I voted for was Bernie Sanders. I never voted for Trump lol!
January 6th was a protest. A peaceful protest. It was not an "insurrection". Nobody tried to take over the government. You'd think if a bunch of gun nuts wanted to take over the government... They would have brought some fucking guns with them.
By the way, you don't think the Clinton Campaign weaponizing the FBI against Donald Trump and lying to the American people (Russiagate) for years on end to smear the man, because he won the election, is a thousand times worse?
They are using the judicial system to criminalize their opponents, instead of trying to defeat them in a democratic election process.
It wasn't a political pundit... it was DONNA BRAZILE... She was the head of the DNC. That, and the fact that Super Delegates even exist (Only within the D party, mind you)... Which is utterly undemocratic. Donna Brazile explained how the 2016 election was rigged, and it was. Debbie Wasserman Schultz was forced to step down, because she was rigging the Democratic process. Anyone who was paying attention knows the election was rigged in many ways.
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The DNC does screw over people like Bernie Sanders because they know a socialist is going to get absolutely no swing votes and so they screw people like Bernie sanders out of a chance and yes that is wrong.
That's not why, but at least we can agree that they "Screw over" (Another term for "Rig the electoral process") grass roots candidates.

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But trump had all the evidence available and they can't find enough voter fraud or irrelegularities to overturn a single state, Bill barr (a man who authorized clearing peaceful protestors away with tear gas from a church so trump could take a stupid picture with a Bible) that guy does investigation after investigation and could find nothing, losing 60 court cases,strong arming rafensburger a guy who BTW had everything to lose and nothing to gain by lying to trump saying he didn't win the state, trump KNEW he lost but he also knew if he said he won and it was all rigged his supporters would eat it up so he did. He said fuck American democracy, fuck what the people want, id rather make every american born from now on distrust American democracy to the point of thinking democracy itself is rigged over a lie for me to save face and most Republicans just agreed with him because they wanted to be right. Still do.
Questioning the results of an election is one of the core functions that keeps the process honest. Americans SHOULD be skeptical of authority. They SHOULD not place blind faith in the system. This is not a problem.
What I am arguing in this thread, is that the Democratic primary nomination process is rigged, and will never produce a candidate of the people, but rather a candidate chosen by the establishment. That is plain as day to anyone who is paying attention.
Whether or not the General Election process is rigged, is a different topic. To a degree, I would say that it is, on it's face, somewhat fundamentally undemocratic, due to Gerrymandering and the Electoral College (both of which work against Democrats, mind you).
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Hardly. It's demonstrable. By the way, your arguments all revolve around one person in the Republican party, Donald Trump. Not the party itself. The Democratic party, in it's fundamental structure (because of Super Delegates), is anti-democratic. Now the Democratic party is literally not even allowing challenger candidates to run in the caucus states of Iowa and New Hampshire. Those states have traditionally been the most important early states win, and highly predictive of the election outcome overall.
They know Biden will lose those states, so they aren't even letting challengers compete. It's undemocratic. It's inexcusable. You seem to be alright with the party rigging elections against grass roots candidates. In my mind, that's every reason to never vote Democrat again. I'll vote third party, and help some other party gain traction, with my vote, and hopefully put the Democratic party to rest.
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This is the problem with your politics. "but Trump" isn't a good reason to throw your ethics out the window and excuse the Democratic party's undemocratic actions.
One last thing I want to say. While it's true that Republicans have closed a large number of polling stations, it's also true that the Democratic party literally just throws voters (Sometimes even life-long Democrats) off the voter rolls, if they have information that shows they are likely to vote for a candidate like Sanders. If you don't believe me, look at what happened in New York city in 2016. To me, that's worse than closing voting stations, because they don't even have the option to drive further, and wait longer. They just don't get a say in the nomination process.
If I remember correctly, the Democrats, in 2016, closed voting stations in areas that supported Bernie too. So... Fuck Democrats.
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Re: Democrats have no respect for Democracy [Re: Enlil]
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January 6th was a protest. A peaceful protest.
You've said some stupid shit, but this is might be the pinnacle of stupid shit. How many people have to die before it crosses over the line from "peaceful?"
This may be the dumbest post you've ever made. Who died in the January 6 protest? Someone had a stroke, someone had a heart attack... and the cops shot a lady. I guess some dude got trampled to death, but if you can't mosh stay out of the pit.
People died in peaceful civil rights protests back in the day. It happens.
So... more than 4?
Given the context... Nobody was lynched, or killed by the mob for political reasons.. and acting as if they were is a misrepresentation of what happened.
So I don't count those 4.
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Re: Democrats have no respect for Democracy [Re: Ice9]
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We may disagree about things, but I don't have any reason to lie on this forum lol
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Re: Democrats have no respect for Democracy [Re: Bigbadwooof]
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Then why claim you aren't defending Trump after a big long post about defending Trump? If you feel he is getting politically railroaded, why hem and haw? It is just very confusing to me
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Re: Democrats have no respect for Democracy [Re: Bigbadwooof]
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January 6th was a protest. A peaceful protest.
You've said some stupid shit, but this is might be the pinnacle of stupid shit. How many people have to die before it crosses over the line from "peaceful?"
This may be the dumbest post you've ever made. Who died in the January 6 protest? Someone had a stroke, someone had a heart attack... and the cops shot a lady. I guess some dude got trampled to death, but if you can't mosh stay out of the pit.
People died in peaceful civil rights protests back in the day. It happens.
So... more than 4?
Given the context... Nobody was lynched, or killed by the mob for political reasons.. and acting as if they were is a misrepresentation of what happened.
So I don't count those 4.
Yeah they never got a chance to use the gallows they built....
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Re: Democrats have no respect for Democracy [Re: Ice9]
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Because I'm not defending Trump.
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I dunno, but I have a 30-06, and whenever I think I might have to kill someone... I bring it with me.
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Re: Democrats have no respect for Democracy [Re: Bigbadwooof]
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That's because Democrats are out-of-touch corporatists. Anyone with half a fucking brain knew Clinton was a shitty candidate.
Let's clink beers to that man! There are things we strongly agree on and maybe we can start from there.
But who are you defending? Or are you defending anyone?
I don't drink, but cheers brother!

I'm trying to go all-in on a 12 step program, but... I don't like cults, or higher powers.
I defended Bernie til he stopped defending himself. I will give him credit for doing more to change the party than anyone else likely ever could have, and making class-politics part of the conversation again. I kind of like RFK Jr, but his views on Israel are beyond the pale. However, that's not a key issue of mine, and also, I don't think anyone can seriously run for president, and not be pro-Israel, at least on their face.
I'm not defending Trump. I am not afraid of him either.
Is Trumps view on Israel a part of what draws you?
And what do you think the mob were doing there if not for political reasons? They broke into the building and were threatening to kill the vice president.
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Re: Democrats have no respect for Democracy [Re: Bigbadwooof]
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Given the context... Nobody was lynched, or killed by the mob for political reasons.. and acting as if they were is a misrepresentation of what happened.
So I don't count those 4.
So, by your definition, breaking windows and storming a locked building by physically overpowering guards is a "peaceful protest," even if people die during those actions, as long as no one is killed "for political reasons?"
I assume you're okay with a dude driving a dodge challenger into a crowd of people and killing one, since she wasn't killed for political reasons...
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Re: Democrats have no respect for Democracy [Re: Enlil]
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Re: Democrats have no respect for Democracy [Re: Enlil]
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Given the context... Nobody was lynched, or killed by the mob for political reasons.. and acting as if they were is a misrepresentation of what happened.
So I don't count those 4.
So, by your definition, breaking windows and storming a locked building by physically overpowering guards is a "peaceful protest," even if people die during those actions, as long as no one is killed "for political reasons?"
I like a government that is afraid of it's constituents. I like how France reacts to their government. I know we will disagree on this, and that's fine, but that's how I feel.
I don't like people getting hurt. I don't have a problem with guards and police getting their heads cracked though... Maybe I can't justify that position... but I fucking hate cops.
I think the way things went down January 6 was a best-case scenario, given how few people died. Given the fact that there were spooks in the crowd inciting them to violence.
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I dunno, but I have a 30-06, and whenever I think I might have to kill someone... I bring it with me.
That's just how you roll, not how these cosplayers like to roll. They found people trying to bring guns, these people just suck at life and couldn't sneak them in. They've obviously never had to sneak drugs into a festie.
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Re: Democrats have no respect for Democracy [Re: Bigbadwooof] 1
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I'm not asking about your tolerance for antisocial behavior. I'm asking about your definitions. Whether or not you're okay with a guard getting fucked up is irrelevant. You admit that it is violence, right? You can't honestly argue that January 6th wasn't a violent protest. Whatever bullshit rhetoric you want to spew about justification, etc. doesn't change the undeniable underlying fact that the protest was violent.
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I dunno, but I have a 30-06, and whenever I think I might have to kill someone... I bring it with me.
That's just how you roll, not how these cosplayers like to roll. They found people trying to bring guns, these people just suck at life and couldn't sneak them in. They've obviously never had to sneak drugs into a festie.
I don't currently even possess one shell for my gun, mind you.
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Re: Democrats have no respect for Democracy [Re: Enlil]
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Re: Democrats have no respect for Democracy [Re: Bigbadwooof]
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Why would you try to kill someone with a 30-06 without any ammo? That would be messy and leave wY more evidence I would think.
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Re: Democrats have no respect for Democracy [Re: Enlil]
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That's fine but I think you're gonna get covered in blood and leave prints and get prints on you if you're beating someone to death with the rifle.
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Re: Democrats have no respect for Democracy [Re: Enlil]
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Legislation from universal background checks to parental leave and marijuana legalization are all supported by the majority of republicans too.
Those have nothing to do with socialism, though.
Bernie wasn't a socialist.
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Re: Democrats have no respect for Democracy [Re: sudly]
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I never said he was. You used universal background checks, parental leave, and weed legalization as examples of socialist policies that are supported by republicans.
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The point is... I have to go purchase ammo to use it. I can't just pop off and shoot somebody. I need that.
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I have a loaded gun in my desk drawer. You never know when you need to bust a cap.
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Re: Democrats have no respect for Democracy [Re: Bigbadwooof]
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They need to buy nails hammers wood and rope for a gallows to use it. And enough people to overpower dc police. All that is a lot less traceable and harder to prove that it was used in an illegal manner... so long as you don't do it on public TV. All this to say that you don't need guns to try to overthrow the gubment. They just help a lot.
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Re: Democrats have no respect for Democracy [Re: Enlil]
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They're progressive policies, not socialist.
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Re: Democrats have no respect for Democracy [Re: Enlil]
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I'm a drug addict. So I keep the ammo separate ;-)
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Re: Democrats have no respect for Democracy [Re: Enlil]
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Re: Democrats have no respect for Democracy [Re: Bigbadwooof]
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I'm a drug addict. So I keep the ammo separate ;-)
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Re: Democrats have no respect for Democracy [Re: sudly]
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They're progressive policies, not socialist.
I'm aware.
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Re: Democrats have no respect for Democracy [Re: Bigbadwooof]
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Because I'm not defending Trump.
You are not being honest. Apparently you do lie when on the shroomery.
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Re: Democrats have no respect for Democracy [Re: Ice9]
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Because I'm not defending Trump.
You are not being honest. Apparently you do lie when on the shroomery.
Not really...
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Re: Democrats have no respect for Democracy [Re: Bigbadwooof]
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Trump lied, people died. Simple as that. And is still lying. Trying to portray jan 6th as some brave stand against the government is idiotic. Everyone there was either a sucker who bought the lie, or a fucking nazi hoping to bring their dictator to power- against the democratic majority.
'Democrats are the real fascists!' lol, that reminds me of the old one: 'democrats are the real racists!' Just a dumb right-wing line. The right's embrace of christian nationalism is textbook fascism. A return to tradition, pro-police authoritarianism, finding scapegoats to genocide..
'Democrats are anti-free speech!' Just a dumb right-wing line. Because democrats have the fucking audacity to point out right-wing lies. The right is perfectly happy limiting free expression.
'Democrats support the FBI and CIA' Just a dumb right-wing line, because they are mad that the FBI had the audacity to investigate trump. Nothing else to it. Basically Qannon tier shit where they blame the 'deep state' for everything.
Dude, I get the sense that you're just anti-establishment, so any superficial gesture towards that is enough to sway you. Maybe try believing in things instead of just against them? Like, I think universal healthcare would be a good thing. Republicans, oppose all kinds of welfare spending. They want to cut social security. They want to privatize everything. Democrats, for all their faults, believe in using government funds to benefit people. Maybe not to the extent we want, maybe not fast enough, maybe in dumb complicated technocratic ways, but they do it.
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Re: Democrats have no respect for Democracy [Re: Lynnch]
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Nothing is as simple as that, unfortunately.
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Re: Democrats have no respect for Democracy [Re: Bigbadwooof]
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Peaceful transfer of power has been the hallmark of American government since the inception. Trump ruined that.
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Re: Democrats have no respect for Democracy [Re: Lynnch]
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I can agree with that.
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'Democrats are the real fascists!' lol, that reminds me of the old one: 'democrats are the real racists!' Just a dumb right-wing line. The right's embrace of christian nationalism is textbook fascism. A return to tradition, pro-police authoritarianism, finding scapegoats to genocide..
I dunno... I see Democrats saying a LOT of racist shit towards white people these days.
Good point on Theocracy, though. +5
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'Democrats are anti-free speech!' Just a dumb right-wing line. Because democrats have the fucking audacity to point out right-wing lies. The right is perfectly happy limiting free expression.
Right wingers embrace Rumble for a reason.
Why do you think so many Democrats advocate for censorship of social media outlets? Do you not believe it?
I'm kind of a lazy person, but if you really, sincerely feel that way, I'm inclined to make an effort to disabuse you of that stance.
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'Democrats support the FBI and CIA' Just a dumb right-wing line, because they are mad that the FBI had the audacity to investigate trump. Nothing else to it. Basically Qannon tier shit where they blame the 'deep state' for everything.
Russiagate was a horrible fraud. They have every right to be fucking pissed. I would be.
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Hmm.. You could be right ;-)
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Fixed that for you. There is NO fucking way you can argue that the Democrats use government funds to benefit the people lol. What a fucking joke.
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Maybe not to the extent we want, maybe not fast enough, maybe in dumb complicated technocratic ways, but they do it.
I disagree. Sure, they throw a bone... Medicare can now negotiate TEN drugs...
WOOOOOO

And yall are celebrating like all 50 states just codified Roe v Wade...
It's retarded. The table scraps you're willing to accept as progress... it's fucking humiliating.
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Re: Democrats have no respect for Democracy [Re: Brian Jones]
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Bernie is from Brooklyn... obviously.. where they threw 126,000 voters off the voter rolls.
OK. That's a good source, and I couldn't find any others that didn't agree with your argument.
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Re: Democrats have no respect for Democracy [Re: Bigbadwooof]
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Right wingers love places where their lies aren't challenged, safe-spaces if you will. Censorship is a loaded term. I've seen individuals complain that twitter is flooded with nazis and would like there to be better moderation based on the terms of service. I haven't seen any elected representatives advocating for the use of the justice system to criminalize any form of speech.
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Didn't a couple people get busted lying to the FBI? 'Fraud!' is the right-wing line, again. Trump got investigated, it was laid out pretty clearly he obstructed justice, then we moved on.
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Fixed that for you. There is NO fucking way you can argue that the Democrats use government funds to benefit the people lol. What a fucking joke.
What the fuck are YOU talking about? The American Rescue Plan in response to COVID-19 A bipartisan infrastructure bill Building semiconductors at home through the CHIPS Act The Inflation Reduction Act Medicare negotiation Continuing to fight for some kind of student loan aid
You don't get to pretend that none of that happened and that all of our tax dollars are going to ukraine. Fucking nonsense. And that's not even getting into what Dem controlled state governments have been able to accomplish.
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It's retarded. The table scraps you're willing to accept as progress... it's fucking humiliating.
Hilarious. Because what are you offering in response? Fucking Nothing. Vague 'fuck the system bro' rhetoric does absolutely nothing.
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Re: Democrats have no respect for Democracy [Re: Lynnch]
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It's fucking pathetic.
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Re: Democrats have no respect for Democracy [Re: Bigbadwooof]
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Given the context... Nobody was lynched, or killed by the mob for political reasons.. and acting as if they were is a misrepresentation of what happened.
So I don't count those 4.
So, by your definition, breaking windows and storming a locked building by physically overpowering guards is a "peaceful protest," even if people die during those actions, as long as no one is killed "for political reasons?"
I like a government that is afraid of it's constituents. I like how France reacts to their government. I know we will disagree on this, and that's fine, but that's how I feel.
I don't like people getting hurt. I don't have a problem with guards and police getting their heads cracked though... Maybe I can't justify that position... but I fucking hate cops.
I think the way things went down January 6 was a best-case scenario, given how few people died. Given the fact that there were spooks in the crowd inciting them to violence.
Best case scenario was they protest away from the capitol and looting a JCpennys instead of the fucking U.S. capitol. That's what's so ironic about this thread (dems don't care about democracy) but the attack on the capitol while the transfer of power was happening was a "best case scenario" your on more crack then Hunter if you truly think what happened on Jan6th was a beet case scenario.
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Re: Democrats have no respect for Democracy [Re: Bigbadwooof]
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It's fucking pathetic.
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Re: Democrats have no respect for Democracy [Re: Lynnch]
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I don't get it. The guy is actually doing stuff for people and these fake liberals want to call him right wing for it. Griftees will get grifted I spose.
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Re: Democrats have no respect for Democracy [Re: Lynnch]
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It's fucking pathetic.
Scoreboard bro. 5-0
Ahahahaaaaa!
I do love you bro, and you've made some good points.. and now I got shit to do, but I'll be back!
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Re: Democrats have no respect for Democracy [Re: Enlil]
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Agreed but that's a little like saying best case scenario is pigs actually flying
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Fixed that for you. There is NO fucking way you can argue that the Democrats use government funds to benefit the people lol. What a fucking joke.
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The names of the acts are usually very misleading and don't detail the content of the act. A lot of bills not relevant to the name are slipped in.
And while we can argue the democrats do use more government funds on benefit to the people, they clearly practice incrementalism to give the thin veneer of progress. On the surface it's all there, but in the thick of it, it's not.
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Fixed that for you. There is NO fucking way you can argue that the Democrats use government funds to benefit the people lol. What a fucking joke.
What the fuck are YOU talking about? The American Rescue Plan in response to COVID-19 A bipartisan infrastructure bill Building semiconductors at home through the CHIPS Act The Inflation Reduction Act Medicare negotiation Continuing to fight for some kind of student loan aid
The names of the acts are usually very misleading and don't detail the content of the act. A lot of bills not relevant to the name are slipped in.
And while we can argue the democrats do use more government funds on benefit to the people, they clearly practice incrementalism to give the thin veneer of progress. On the surface it's all there, but in the thick of it, it's not.
That's what I'm driving at.
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Re: Democrats have no respect for Democracy [Re: Bigbadwooof] 1
#28473527 - 09/18/23 09:40 AM (4 months, 7 days ago) |
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The big print gives it to you, the small print takes it away.
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Re: Democrats have no respect for Democracy [Re: SirTripAlot]
#28473539 - 09/18/23 09:51 AM (4 months, 7 days ago) |
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There is no fine print, though. It's all publicly available to anyone with an internet connection.
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Re: Democrats have no respect for Democracy [Re: SirTripAlot]
#28473610 - 09/18/23 10:53 AM (4 months, 7 days ago) |
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SirTripAlot said: The big print gives it to you, the small print takes it away.
Ahahah... I remember you telling me that once before.
Nobody can take anything from me ;-)
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Re: Democrats have no respect for Democracy [Re: Enlil] 1
#28473651 - 09/18/23 11:25 AM (4 months, 7 days ago) |
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Peaceful transfer of power has been the hallmark of American government since the inception.
You mean following the thousands of deaths during the 8 years of violent insurrection where the established government was overthrown?
Americans celebrate the violent insurrection every July 4th.
The founding fathers would laugh at the notion Jan 6th was an insurrection.
it's silly
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Re: Democrats have no respect for Democracy [Re: RJ Tubs 202]
#28473672 - 09/18/23 11:38 AM (4 months, 7 days ago) |
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You're right it's a failed insurrection...these cosplayers suck at what they do.
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Re: Democrats have no respect for Democracy [Re: RJ Tubs 202]
#28473675 - 09/18/23 11:40 AM (4 months, 7 days ago) |
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RJ Tubs 202 said:
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Enlil said:
Peaceful transfer of power has been the hallmark of American government since the inception.
You mean following the thousands of deaths during the 8 years of violent insurrection where the established government was overthrown?
Americans celebrate the violent insurrection every July 4th.
The founding fathers would laugh at the notion Jan 6th was an insurrection.
it's silly
Yes, I mean after that. Also after a new government was formed. You seem to be confused here. The U.S. didn't exist until the Constitution was ratified. The U.S. has never failed to have a peaceful transfer of power until Trump.
You're also confused about what July 4 is intended to celebrate. There was no violent insurrection on that day. On that day, a letter was sent stating an intention to be independent. Are you saying that writing a letter is an act of violence?
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Re: Democrats have no respect for Democracy [Re: Enlil] 1
#28473737 - 09/18/23 12:49 PM (4 months, 7 days ago) |
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Enlil said: There is no fine print, though. It's all publicly available to anyone with an internet connection.
Your right, just like the terms and conditions for any internet app that is executed with a check mark, a gym membership that has three pages of legalese (just sign here), etc. If most dont read the above, the chances are most won't read the Clean Air act. The "fine print" is always there, but there is a degree of window dressing.
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Re: Democrats have no respect for Democracy [Re: Enlil]
#28473858 - 09/18/23 03:28 PM (4 months, 7 days ago) |
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Enlil said:
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RJ Tubs 202 said:
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Enlil said:
Peaceful transfer of power has been the hallmark of American government since the inception.
You mean following the thousands of deaths during the 8 years of violent insurrection where the established government was overthrown?
Americans celebrate the violent insurrection every July 4th.
The founding fathers would laugh at the notion Jan 6th was an insurrection.
it's silly
Yes, I mean after that. Also after a new government was formed. You seem to be confused here. The U.S. didn't exist until the Constitution was ratified. The U.S. has never failed to have a peaceful transfer of power until Trump.
You're also confused about what July 4 is intended to celebrate. There was no violent insurrection on that day. On that day, a letter was sent stating an intention to be independent. Are you saying that writing a letter is an act of violence?
I dunno... An argument can be made that the election of Lincoln did not result in a peaceful transfer of power. The South seceded from the United States lmao.
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Re: Democrats have no respect for Democracy [Re: Bigbadwooof]
#28473861 - 09/18/23 03:32 PM (4 months, 7 days ago) |
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I mean, sure...
Now that we agree that Jan 6 was along the lines of the civil war, we can have an honest discussion about how damaging it is to the Nation.
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Re: Democrats have no respect for Democracy [Re: Enlil] 1
#28473868 - 09/18/23 03:38 PM (4 months, 7 days ago) |
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Enlil said: I mean, sure...
Now that we agree that Jan 6 was along the lines of the civil war, we can have an honest discussion about how damaging it is to the Nation.
Hard to equate the two tbh. Pretty ridiculous.
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Re: Democrats have no respect for Democracy [Re: Bigbadwooof]
#28473869 - 09/18/23 03:39 PM (4 months, 7 days ago) |
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Then we agree that Trump destroyed the peaceful transfer of power that we've always had in this nation.
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Re: Democrats have no respect for Democracy [Re: Enlil]
#28473876 - 09/18/23 03:42 PM (4 months, 7 days ago) |
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Enlil said: Then we agree that Trump destroyed the peaceful transfer of power that we've always had in this nation.
I don't think he destroyed anything, personally.
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Re: Democrats have no respect for Democracy [Re: Bigbadwooof]
#28473879 - 09/18/23 03:48 PM (4 months, 7 days ago) |
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He certainly destroyed Giuliani's career
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Re: Democrats have no respect for Democracy [Re: Bigbadwooof]
#28473880 - 09/18/23 03:50 PM (4 months, 7 days ago) |
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Enlil said: Then we agree that Trump destroyed the peaceful transfer of power that we've always had in this nation.
I don't think he destroyed anything, personally.
Your common sense seems pretty wrecked
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Re: Democrats have no respect for Democracy [Re: Enlil]
#28473881 - 09/18/23 03:53 PM (4 months, 7 days ago) |
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Enlil said: He certainly destroyed Giuliani's career
These people ended up on wanted posters because of trump
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Re: Democrats have no respect for Democracy [Re: koods] 1
#28473905 - 09/18/23 04:22 PM (4 months, 7 days ago) |
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Not because of Trump. Because of a hilariously corrupt government with a political agenda locking people up for protesting. Jan 6th was an intelligence operation. Everything was positioned ahead of time to spin this narrative, including paid federal agitators and FBI agents in the crowd, not to mention the Capitol Police were in on it as well, whom were ordered to open the doors and let people in so the media could get good some good photos.
Anyways, Jan 6th was a non-event catered to dumb and brainwashed people and it's a complete waste of time to mention it or talk about it. Comparing it to 9/11 or the civil war is such an insult to human intelligence that it might have an effect on a normal person similar to that of a lobotomy. I feel dumber for even having discussed this. Thanks a lot.
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Re: Democrats have no respect for Democracy [Re: chopstick]
#28473910 - 09/18/23 04:33 PM (4 months, 7 days ago) |
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It’s all a big conspiracy lol
January 6th was a low intelligence operation
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Re: Democrats have no respect for Democracy [Re: chopstick] 1
#28473911 - 09/18/23 04:33 PM (4 months, 7 days ago) |
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"I feel dumber for even having discussed this"
Why did you hit the continue button?
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Re: Democrats have no respect for Democracy [Re: falcon]
#28473916 - 09/18/23 04:37 PM (4 months, 7 days ago) |
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Clearly, that was the goal.
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Re: Democrats have no respect for Democracy [Re: chopstick] 1
#28473944 - 09/18/23 04:55 PM (4 months, 7 days ago) |
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Everything was positioned ahead of time to spin this narrative, including paid federal agitators and FBI agents in the crowd, not to mention the Capitol Police were in on it as well, whom were ordered to open the doors and let people in so the media could get good some good photos.
Remember that stupid bitch that got shot in the neck for breaking through that window? She didn't even really get shot , it was a blank and she just fell down with a handful of ketchup packets she stole from burger king and squeezed them all over her face . She didn't even break the window it was already prepped with cracks by the capital police . I wonder how you get a job being a " federal agitator " . Agitation is something I would usually be down to do for free but if I could make a full time job out of it with benefits and shit that would be awesome .
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Re: Democrats have no respect for Democracy [Re: Psilynut2] 1
#28473948 - 09/18/23 04:58 PM (4 months, 7 days ago) |
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It's so fucking stupid. Even washers don't have agitators anymore. How out-of-date is the federal government if they still need them?
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Re: Democrats have no respect for Democracy [Re: chopstick] 1
#28473953 - 09/18/23 05:04 PM (4 months, 7 days ago) |
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chopstick said: Not because of Trump. Because of a hilariously corrupt government with a political agenda locking people up for protesting. Jan 6th was an intelligence operation. Everything was positioned ahead of time to spin this narrative, including paid federal agitators and FBI agents in the crowd, not to mention the Capitol Police were in on it as well, whom were ordered to open the doors and let people in so the media could get good some good photos.
Anyways, Jan 6th was a non-event catered to dumb and brainwashed people and it's a complete waste of time to mention it or talk about it. Comparing it to 9/11 or the civil war is such an insult to human intelligence that it might have an effect on a normal person similar to that of a lobotomy. I feel dumber for even having discussed this. Thanks a lot.
Yeah that one Capital cop probably paid the NYPD cop to gouge his eye out! It's makes everyone dumber to contemplate any other possibility
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Re: Democrats have no respect for Democracy [Re: ballsalsa]
#28473958 - 09/18/23 05:06 PM (4 months, 7 days ago) |
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THE LAMESTREAM MEDIA GOT ME AGAIN.
GODDAMMIT!
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Re: Democrats have no respect for Democracy [Re: Enlil]
#28473976 - 09/18/23 05:22 PM (4 months, 7 days ago) |
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It's not your fault , crisis actors are really good these days .
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Re: Democrats have no respect for Democracy [Re: Psilynut2]
#28474035 - 09/18/23 06:17 PM (4 months, 7 days ago) |
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The Q shaman was peaceful AF. Not that many can pull off non violence tact with a spear in hand.
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Edited by SirTripAlot (09/18/23 06:17 PM)
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Re: Democrats have no respect for Democracy [Re: SirTripAlot] 2
#28474041 - 09/18/23 06:20 PM (4 months, 7 days ago) |
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Washington was burned to the ground like all the other democrat run cities in 2020, so how could there be a protest there in January 2021
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Re: Democrats have no respect for Democracy [Re: koods]
#28476570 - 09/20/23 03:29 PM (4 months, 5 days ago) |
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I believe the term is "Potemkin village"
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Re: Democrats have no respect for Democracy [Re: Kryptos]
#28476785 - 09/20/23 05:42 PM (4 months, 5 days ago) |
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I going to go with the before and after category
What is Potemkin Village Idiot?
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