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Re: Democrats have no respect for Democracy [Re: Bigbadwooof]
#28467959 - 09/13/23 06:42 PM (4 months, 12 days ago) |
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Bigbadwooof said: When the Republicans had an insurgent, grass roots candidate rise up in their party, that candidate was allowed to win the nomination, and go on to be president. This is something that cannot happen in the Democratic party. They won't allow it.
Democrats don't believe in Democracy, they are currently rigging the nomination process in the primary election, for the 3rd time, more brazenly than ever.
https://x.com/RobertKennedyJr/status/1701682584881643691?s=20
How can anyone vote for a Democrat?
Are you calling Trump a "grass-roots" politician?
 
Trump was a grass roots politician. How could you possibly say otherwise. He never even held office before becoming president.
Because he had been talking about running for President for like what, 20-30 years. He has political and legal ties. He has name/brand recognition. He was a world-known figure. He had funding that he himself didn't raise.
How exactly do you think he WAS a grass-roots politican?
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Re: Democrats have no respect for Democracy [Re: Bigbadwooof]
#28467964 - 09/13/23 06:46 PM (4 months, 12 days ago) |
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Bigbadwooof said: What Biden did It is my belief that Biden bombed thr Nordstream pipeline (because he said it himself)...
Source/proof that Joe Biden said that he himself bombed the pipeline or you're lying (and we all know you're lying)
This thread is about as bad as my mom quoting Breitbart this afternoon as a legitimate source.
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Re: Democrats have no respect for Democracy [Re: Tulipslave]
#28467989 - 09/13/23 07:06 PM (4 months, 12 days ago) |
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It’s pretty amazing to watch someone get red pilled like is happening to OP. It’s happened so many times around here it’s no longer surprising, but still fascinating how methodically some left wingers get reprogrammed before your eyes.
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Re: Democrats have no respect for Democracy [Re: Bigbadwooof]
#28468012 - 09/13/23 07:20 PM (4 months, 12 days ago) |
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Bigbadwooof said: The mechanism has demonstrated that we will never make it to that finish line. It's clear that there is no future whatsoever for leftist politics in the democratic party. I highly disagree with you on every but of this. If the Democratic party collapsed, it would be replaced quickly.
Progressive wins are stacking up in dem controlled states. You are completely misinformed. But fine, whats your big plan for left politics? A magical world where the dems disappear and a labor party appears in its place? Fantasy. But go ahead, vote for trump, who will do the complete opposite of the left movement you pretend to believe in.
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I don't think Trump would have done what Biden did to the RR workers. Maybe you do. We will have to disagree on that. ... NLRB?
Fuck bro. Read an actual news site for once in your life. Again, completely misinformed.
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How can you separate your emotions from your politics? Politics directly affect the lives of everyone, and emotions are therefore involved.
Anyone who tells you their emotions are separate from their politics is either a psychopath, or lying.
Yes. Sure. But there is a strategy used in propaganda, that incites anger in order to get folks to turn their brain off. Your posts are seeping with it and it's obvious to everyone but you.
It's sad to watch.
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Re: Democrats have no respect for Democracy [Re: Tulipslave]
#28468020 - 09/13/23 07:26 PM (4 months, 12 days ago) |
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Bigbadwooof said: What Biden did It is my belief that Biden bombed thr Nordstream pipeline (because he said it himself)...
Source/proof that Joe Biden said that he himself bombed the pipeline or you're lying (and we all know you're lying)
I'm sorry... "had it bombed"... Clearly I wasn't saying Biden bombed it himself. That's fucking retarded. Is this how you discuss shit? I mean, you honestly don't understand what I meant?
If you don't like my thread, you're welcome to leave it. You obviously don't have anything of value to contribute to it, because if you think I was implying Biden went and bombed the pipeline himself, you're beyond help.
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Re: Democrats have no respect for Democracy [Re: Bigbadwooof]
#28468025 - 09/13/23 07:33 PM (4 months, 12 days ago) |
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Bigbadwooof said: What Biden did It is my belief that Biden bombed thr Nordstream pipeline (because he said it himself)...
Source/proof that Joe Biden said that he himself bombed the pipeline or you're lying (and we all know you're lying)
I'm sorry... "had it bombed"... Clearly I wasn't saying Biden bombed it himself. That's fucking retarded. Is this how you discuss shit? I mean, you honestly don't understand what I meant?
If you don't like my thread, you're welcome to leave it. You obviously don't have anything of value to contribute to it, because if you think I was implying Biden went and bombed the pipeline himself, you're beyond help.
I'm just replying to what you typed.
Say what you mean and mean what you say. It's not hard.
Now you're getting kerfluffed over your own fuck-ups. Classic.
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Re: Democrats have no respect for Democracy [Re: Bigbadwooof]
#28468065 - 09/13/23 07:54 PM (4 months, 12 days ago) |
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Bigbadwooof said: What Biden did It is my belief that Biden bombed thr Nordstream pipeline (because he said it himself)...
Source/proof that Joe Biden said that he himself bombed the pipeline or you're lying (and we all know you're lying)
I'm sorry... "had it bombed"... Clearly I wasn't saying Biden bombed it himself. That's fucking retarded. Is this how you discuss shit? I mean, you honestly don't understand what I meant?
If you don't like my thread, you're welcome to leave it. You obviously don't have anything of value to contribute to it, because if you think I was implying Biden went and bombed the pipeline himself, you're beyond help.
Biden said he “had it bombed?”
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Re: Democrats have no respect for Democracy [Re: koods]
#28468089 - 09/13/23 08:21 PM (4 months, 12 days ago) |
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At least he takes responsibility for his actions , we didn't get that from Trump at all .
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Re: Democrats have no respect for Democracy [Re: Lynnch]
#28468111 - 09/13/23 08:34 PM (4 months, 12 days ago) |
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Bigbadwooof said: The mechanism has demonstrated that we will never make it to that finish line. It's clear that there is no future whatsoever for leftist politics in the democratic party. I highly disagree with you on every but of this. If the Democratic party collapsed, it would be replaced quickly.
Progressive wins are stacking up in dem controlled states. You are completely misinformed. But fine, whats your big plan for left politics? A magical world where the dems disappear and a labor party appears in its place? Fantasy. But go ahead, vote for trump, who will do the complete opposite of the left movement you pretend to believe in.
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Fuck bro. Read an actual news site for once in your life. Again, completely misinformed.
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How can you separate your emotions from your politics? Politics directly affect the lives of everyone, and emotions are therefore involved.
Anyone who tells you their emotions are separate from their politics is either a psychopath, or lying.
Yes. Sure. But there is a strategy used in propaganda, that incites anger in order to get folks to turn their brain off. Your posts are seeping with it and it's obvious to everyone but you.
It's sad to watch.
In this thread, what am I angry about? I'm angry about Biden busting a railroad strike. Something he clearly did. Do you disagree? I'm angry that Sanders was cheated out of the nomination, which we all know is a blatant fact. It's been acknowledged by Donna Brazil, and tacitly by DWS, when she stepped down. It's a fact. I'm angry that the Democrats are fundamentally anti-democracy. A clear fact, do you disagree?
You bet your fucking ass I'm angry. Angry at the factual reality we live in, and not this fictional bullshit world you fantasize about, where Dems are a "left" party in any meaningful way.
If you want to attack something, attack my argument, instead of my character. Yes, I am angry. No, I'm not crazy. I have very good reason to be angry... To feel disenfranchised. I'm sure to some extent you must feel angry and disenfranchised by the Democratic party. Our response to that anger is just different.
When I find myself in an abusive relationship... I'm inclined to walk away, and start something new.
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Re: Democrats have no respect for Democracy [Re: koods]
#28468121 - 09/13/23 08:42 PM (4 months, 12 days ago) |
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Lol!
I guess I'll give him two points for that.
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We've been over this. You and I disagree, and that's not likely to change, but as far as I'm concerned, it's only reasonable to assume Biden did what he said he was going to do in this video. It takes some real mental gymnastics and partisan, disingenuous, hackiness to claim otherwise.
If Trump had said this, and things played out as they did... You would acknowledge that he did what he said he was going to do.
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Re: Democrats have no respect for Democracy [Re: Bigbadwooof]
#28468143 - 09/13/23 08:55 PM (4 months, 12 days ago) |
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trump did admit to an act of war. like on national television for real style when he ordered that iranian dude get wacked.
thats admitting you did something.
biden said. we will put an end to it. and they did through sanctions and political pressure with germany refusing to certify rendering the pipeline utterly useless THEN it blows up after the fact. ukraine maybe. thru direct orders from biden? i highly highly doubt it considering he already accomplished his task.
what do big foot, cthulhu and biden have in common? they share the same chances of being involved in nordstream. maybe ill eat those words but i doubt it.
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Re: Democrats have no respect for Democracy [Re: Bigbadwooof]
#28468152 - 09/13/23 09:00 PM (4 months, 12 days ago) |
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You do understand that hillery won the nomination with out needing the super delegates because she got more state primary delegates as well as more of the popular vote don't you? Secondly, you go on and on about republicans being more democratic. You do understand that many of the republican states are winner take all while more of the democrate are proportional. Which is really more reflective of a democratic choice? Bernie griped about super delegates then changed when he was losing the vote of the people and decided a contested convention using the super delegates would be better. Eventually he realized he did not get the most votes and did the right thing and voted and pushed for hillery cause trump was much worse for america. I can look up to bernie cause he wanted to do the right thing and did not throw the little pissy fit you throw and want to burn down the house cause the majority of voters did not agree with you.
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Re: Democrats have no respect for Democracy [Re: gww] 1
#28468167 - 09/13/23 09:09 PM (4 months, 12 days ago) |
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If you look into the Bernie situation you will see that he got screwed. I am not saying that Bernie was the more electable candidate (he wasn't), but he sure as fuck was the candidate that would best serve the American people even if he would have never been effectual due to the numerous political climates that oppose proper progress in this country. On principal, Bernie was off the charts. Practically speaking, probably not. Trump of course ended up being one of the worst presidents in history.
Woofs post here in this thread, and I actually really like Woof and his views a lot of the time, are totally retarded. Linking a single party to a lack of democratic (system not party) views is just dumb. Go vote in local elections and stop worry about the national ones. Only fuckups like Trump really mater on the federal level. The rest will maintain the status. For better or worse. Getting weed legalized, DMT legalized, mushrooms legalized, that happens locally. Reversing dumbshit racist laws reversed, local. Sure the feds still have a say, but once the masses push this stuff through the feds eventually follow.
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Re: Democrats have no respect for Democracy [Re: christopera]
#28468189 - 09/13/23 09:22 PM (4 months, 12 days ago) |
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Bernie lost by votes. Bernie can hold his head up cause he is not whispery and is consistent in his beliefs and keeps pushing for them. I respect him and he is popular because of his actions. He was not popular enough to win. He did not give up on doing what he could from where he is and that does make him a bit of a hero cause he did not take his marbles and go home but still did as much right as he could from where he was. Wish all those with hurt feelings would have had as much class as him rather then wanting to cut their own nose off to spite their face. Trump? Sheeeze.
I agree on what can happen at local but do say jerrymandering does not make that completely representative of the populace every time.
I like my wife, no let me change that I like my kids but that does not make them right on every subject, my wife is always right is what I tell her though.
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Re: Democrats have no respect for Democracy [Re: gww]
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Bernie got screwed. I never said he would win the nomination if he didn't get screwed, but we know he got screwed. I also agree that he would have lost to Trump. Hillary did too... Bernie was the high road and to some degree that is what Woof is mad about.
I appreciate the Republican party for letting Trump march in. It's going great for them.
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Re: Democrats have no respect for Democracy [Re: christopera]
#28468218 - 09/13/23 09:33 PM (4 months, 12 days ago) |
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 I lose lots of times but don't believe in throwing the baby out with the bath water. It is an excuse but not a good one.
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Re: Democrats have no respect for Democracy [Re: Bigbadwooof]
#28468288 - 09/13/23 10:45 PM (4 months, 11 days ago) |
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Psilynut2 said: At least he takes responsibility for his actions , we didn't get that from Trump at all .
Lol!
I guess I'll give him two points for that.
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koods said: Biden said he “had it bombed?”
We've been over this. You and I disagree, and that's not likely to change, but as far as I'm concerned, it's only reasonable to assume Biden did what he said he was going to do in this video. It takes some real mental gymnastics and partisan, disingenuous, hackiness to claim otherwise.
If Trump had said this, and things played out as they did... You would acknowledge that he did what he said he was going to do.
You said Biden said he “had it bombed.” You put quotes around those words, which means he literally said those exact words. When did he say that?
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Re: Democrats have no respect for Democracy [Re: Bigbadwooof]
#28468297 - 09/13/23 10:58 PM (4 months, 11 days ago) |
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You know what I'm happy about? Bidens NLRB and all of the other union victories. Which you know nothing about because you listen to right-wing media pretending to be left wing.
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Fine. Cry about it for another fucking decade. Meanwhile, actual leftists and progressives will organize to gain more ground.
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I'm inclined to walk away, and start something new.
Go for it. Good luck. But just so you know, voting for trump isn't 'something new', it's the same old fascist shit.
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Re: Democrats have no respect for Democracy [Re: Tulipslave]
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Bigbadwooof said: When the Republicans had an insurgent, grass roots candidate rise up in their party, that candidate was allowed to win the nomination, and go on to be president. This is something that cannot happen in the Democratic party. They won't allow it.
Democrats don't believe in Democracy, they are currently rigging the nomination process in the primary election, for the 3rd time, more brazenly than ever.
https://x.com/RobertKennedyJr/status/1701682584881643691?s=20
How can anyone vote for a Democrat?
Are you calling Trump a "grass-roots" politician?
 
Trump was a grass roots politician. How could you possibly say otherwise. He never even held office before becoming president.
Because he had been talking about running for President for like what, 20-30 years. He has political and legal ties. He has name/brand recognition. He was a world-known figure. He had funding that he himself didn't raise.
How exactly do you think he WAS a grass-roots politican?
If "never held office before" meant grass roots politicians than surely bill gates would be considered grass roots of he were to run.
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Re: Democrats have no respect for Democracy [Re: Sulfurshelfsean] 1
#28468651 - 09/14/23 09:12 AM (4 months, 11 days ago) |
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Just like how famous billionaires who own their own social media companies are anti-establishment
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