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Democrats have no respect for Democracy
    #28467758 - 09/13/23 03:50 PM (4 months, 12 days ago)

When the Republicans had an insurgent, grass roots candidate rise up in their party, that candidate was allowed to win the nomination, and go on to be president. This is something that cannot happen in the Democratic party. They won't allow it.

Democrats don't believe in Democracy, they are currently rigging the nomination process in the primary election, for the 3rd time, more brazenly than ever.

https://x.com/RobertKennedyJr/status/1701682584881643691?s=20

How can anyone vote for a Democrat?


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Re: Democrats have no respect for Democracy [Re: Bigbadwooof] * 3
    #28467766 - 09/13/23 03:57 PM (4 months, 12 days ago)

Robert Kennedy, unlike Sanders, is an awful candidate. There is nothing to rig. The dude flopped about two weeks after he started his campaign. While I believe Sanders should have been chosen over Hillary, and it was clear the fix was out for him, RK isn't even in the same ballpark. For fucks sake, RK is a retard in comparison to Sanders, even Hillary, even Biden.


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Re: Democrats have no respect for Democracy [Re: christopera]
    #28467773 - 09/13/23 04:03 PM (4 months, 12 days ago)

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Robert Kennedy, unlike Sanders, is an awful candidate. There is nothing to rig. The dude flopped about two weeks after he started his campaign. While I believe Sanders should have been chosen over Hillary, and it was clear the fix was out for him, RK isn't even in the same ballpark. For fucks sake, RK is a retard in comparison to Sanders, even Hillary, even Biden.




My post isn't about RFK Jr. It's about the Democratic party's disdain for democracy.

It's kind of funny.. I've always said that in advertising, if something is called the "best" (Milwaukee's Best), it's surely the worst. In a similar way Democrats have no respect for Democracy. Just kind of funny to me.

I'm waiting for someone to say "Trump has no respect for Democracy, dur-de-dur", but this post isn't about Trump either. Trump may or may not respect Democracy... He may be the fascist demagogue he's portrayed to be. That has no bearing on what I am saying, because Trump is not the Republican party. He's one member of the party.


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Re: Democrats have no respect for Democracy [Re: christopera] * 1
    #28467776 - 09/13/23 04:05 PM (4 months, 12 days ago)

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You are funny.  This all while the rnc is paying lots of trumps legal fees.  How many republican states canceled their primary last election.  Wolf, Do you know anything that you can be consistent on or just know anything at all?

The only thing I respect you on for the last few days it you pointing out milwaukees best is not best.

The republican party got rid of their policy platform and went with just support trump.:rolleyes:


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Re: Democrats have no respect for Democracy [Re: Bigbadwooof]
    #28467784 - 09/13/23 04:11 PM (4 months, 12 days ago)

Yeah but I am familiar with your post history and know what you are alluding to. The only disdain that is really plausible in the recent election cycles is from the ruining of Bernie's run in favor of Hillary. There are no other examples.

If you want to take a look at controls of votes have a look at gerrymandering. My state has long been Democratic, in fact, democrat registrations outnumber republicans by like 30%. Yet we have had Republican owned leadership of the state for at least 16 years. How?

Your premise is bullshit.


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Re: Democrats have no respect for Democracy [Re: Bigbadwooof] * 2
    #28467785 - 09/13/23 04:12 PM (4 months, 12 days ago)

If you care so much about democracy, why aren't you losing your mind over the republicans restrictive voter ID laws, or banning vote by mail, or closing polling stations? Why did you say you'd vote for vivek when he's talking about raising the voting age to 25 and adding more restrictions?

I'll tell you why, it's because you're falling for right-wing grifters.


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Re: Democrats have no respect for Democracy [Re: christopera]
    #28467803 - 09/13/23 04:32 PM (4 months, 12 days ago)

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Yeah but I am familiar with your post history and know what you are alluding to. The only disdain that is really plausible in the recent election cycles is from the ruining of Bernie's run in favor of Hillary. There are no other examples.




I mean, that was the most glaringly obvious, and disgusting example, and that one example is enough to put me off the Democratic party, til they get their fucking shit together. However, I saw similar horse shit in Bernie Vs Biden, and they are not rigging the primary so that RFK Jr has to win 80% of the delegates to take the nomination.

Super Delegates are anti-democratic. The party leadership are anti-democratic. How can anyone support that?

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If you want to take a look at controls of votes have a look at gerrymandering. My state has long been Democratic, in fact, democrat registrations outnumber republicans by like 30%. Yet we have had Republican owned leadership of the state for at least 16 years. How?




Fair enough. That's actually a really good argument.


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Re: Democrats have no respect for Democracy [Re: Lynnch]
    #28467808 - 09/13/23 04:34 PM (4 months, 12 days ago)

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If you care so much about democracy, why aren't you losing your mind over the republicans restrictive voter ID laws, or banning vote by mail, or closing polling stations? Why did you say you'd vote for vivek when he's talking about raising the voting age to 25 and adding more restrictions?

I'll tell you why, it's because you're falling for right-wing grifters.




Whoa whoa whoa... Did I say I would vote for Vivek? I must have been fucking around. There is no way in hell I would ever vote for him lmao!

When did I say that?

Democrats are more guilty of closing polling stations than Republicans. I don't see anything wrong with voter ID laws, tbh, and I don't know how I feel about voting by mail.


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Re: Democrats have no respect for Democracy [Re: Lynnch]
    #28467809 - 09/13/23 04:37 PM (4 months, 12 days ago)

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If you care so much about democracy, why aren't you losing your mind over the republicans restrictive voter ID laws, or banning vote by mail, or closing polling stations? Why did you say you'd vote for vivek when he's talking about raising the voting age to 25 and adding more restrictions?

I'll tell you why, it's because you're falling for right-wing grifters.




Let me ask you something, Lynnch... Do you not have a problem with the actions of the Democratic party? The things I have mentioned? Are you unable to look at these charlatans with a critical eye?

You know, had they not done what they did to Sanders, he would have likely become president, and I, along with many many many others... Would still be Democrats. They are ruining our society.


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Re: Democrats have no respect for Democracy [Re: Bigbadwooof] * 3
    #28467810 - 09/13/23 04:39 PM (4 months, 12 days ago)

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When the Republicans had an insurgent, grass roots candidate rise up in their party, that candidate was allowed to win the nomination, and go on to be president. This is something that cannot happen in the Democratic party. They won't allow it.

Democrats don't believe in Democracy, they are currently rigging the nomination process in the primary election, for the 3rd time, more brazenly than ever.

https://x.com/RobertKennedyJr/status/1701682584881643691?s=20

How can anyone vote for a Democrat?




The problem is that you're referring to the parties as if they were in opposition to each other.  They are not.  They are in collusion with each other to maintain the status quo which is in their mutual best interest.  Trumpelstiltskin didn't change that.  All the bickering is window dressing.  Rest assured that Biden will weather his impeachment just like Trumpy weathered his because it's just theater to rile up the base so they can pretend that there's more difference between the center-right and far right wings our 1 party system than there really is, at the end of the day.  Don't get me wrong, there is some small daylight between the parties on certain wedge issues like abortions or gun control, as examples.  This is necessary for anyone to believe that they have an adversarial relationship but when it comes down to it, the Dems are always somehow comically inept at politics and shift just a little further to the right for the sake of enlightened centrist compromise.  I'm just not buying it anymore.  Many of these legislators are older than dirt with decades of experience but they can't figure out how to ever stymie the Republicans when it counts?  C'mon.


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Re: Democrats have no respect for Democracy [Re: ballsalsa]
    #28467827 - 09/13/23 04:50 PM (4 months, 12 days ago)

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When the Republicans had an insurgent, grass roots candidate rise up in their party, that candidate was allowed to win the nomination, and go on to be president. This is something that cannot happen in the Democratic party. They won't allow it.

Democrats don't believe in Democracy, they are currently rigging the nomination process in the primary election, for the 3rd time, more brazenly than ever.

https://x.com/RobertKennedyJr/status/1701682584881643691?s=20

How can anyone vote for a Democrat?




The problem is that you're referring to the parties as if they were in opposition to each other.  They are not.  They are in collusion with each other to maintain the status quo which is in their mutual best interest.  Trumpelstiltskin didn't change that.  All the bickering is window dressing.  Rest assured that Biden will weather his impeachment just like Trumpy weathered his because it's just theater to rile up the base so they can pretend that there's more difference between the center-right and far right wings our 1 party system than there really is, at the end of the day.  Don't get me wrong, there is some small daylight between the parties on certain wedge issues like abortions or gun control, as examples.




I'm sure you know that I feel the same way, and have for a long time. I'm certainly not a Republican.

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This is necessary for anyone to believe that they have an adversarial relationship but when it comes down to it, the Dems are always somehow comically inept at politics and shift just a little further to the right for the sake of enlightened centrist compromise.  I'm just not buying it anymore.  Many of these legislators are older than dirt with decades of experience but they can't figure out how to ever stymie the Republicans when it counts?  C'mon.




This is what makes me so fucking angry. The Democrats give the illusions of opposition, and destroy any hope of left-wing politics in our government. In that light, Democrats are worse than Republicans, and I personally feel that they are more anti-democracy than Republicans.

I mean let's look at this simple fact, butternuts... Trump WAS a grass roots candidate, and he was NOT the preferred candidate of the party (Unless you believe he was, but I certainly don't. He was too much of a wild card. Too unpredictable. Too uneducated in many important ways.)... Yet he was permitted to win the nomination.

The Democrats will not allow a grass roots candidate to win the nomination. They have made that clear. That's all you need to know. At least a grass roots candidate CAN win the Republican nomination. Now, I will say that Ron Paul got a bit of rough treatment during his presidential bid, but it was nothing compared to Bernie.


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Re: Democrats have no respect for Democracy [Re: Bigbadwooof]
    #28467848 - 09/13/23 05:07 PM (4 months, 12 days ago)

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When the Republicans had an insurgent, grass roots candidate rise up in their party, that candidate was allowed to win the nomination, and go on to be president. This is something that cannot happen in the Democratic party. They won't allow it.

Democrats don't believe in Democracy, they are currently rigging the nomination process in the primary election, for the 3rd time, more brazenly than ever.

https://x.com/RobertKennedyJr/status/1701682584881643691?s=20

How can anyone vote for a Democrat?





Are you calling Trump a "grass-roots" politician?

:rofl2::facepalm:


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Re: Democrats have no respect for Democracy [Re: Bigbadwooof]
    #28467850 - 09/13/23 05:09 PM (4 months, 12 days ago)

Republicans had the tea party element to contend with.  There's no comparable faction in the Dem party to necessitate any concession to the left.  Leftists are too fractured over ideological differences but the message on the far right is too simple and universal to its base so there's no issues with 'enemy of my enemy' type of thinking for them.
1% knuckleheads and klan can get along fine because there's enough overlap of the venn diagram.  Meanwhile, commies and anarchists are at each other's throats because a particular group betrayed the other once upon a time.


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Re: Democrats have no respect for Democracy [Re: Tulipslave]
    #28467879 - 09/13/23 05:32 PM (4 months, 12 days ago)

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When the Republicans had an insurgent, grass roots candidate rise up in their party, that candidate was allowed to win the nomination, and go on to be president. This is something that cannot happen in the Democratic party. They won't allow it.

Democrats don't believe in Democracy, they are currently rigging the nomination process in the primary election, for the 3rd time, more brazenly than ever.

https://x.com/RobertKennedyJr/status/1701682584881643691?s=20

How can anyone vote for a Democrat?





Are you calling Trump a "grass-roots" politician?

:rofl2::facepalm:




Trump was a grass roots politician. How could you possibly say otherwise. He never even held office before becoming president.


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Re: Democrats have no respect for Democracy [Re: ballsalsa]
    #28467880 - 09/13/23 05:33 PM (4 months, 12 days ago)

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Republicans had the tea party element to contend with.  There's no comparable faction in the Dem party to necessitate any concession to the left.  Leftists are too fractured over ideological differences but the message on the far right is too simple and universal to its base so there's no issues with 'enemy of my enemy' type of thinking for them.
1% knuckleheads and klan can get along fine because there's enough overlap of the venn diagram.  Meanwhile, commies and anarchists are at each other's throats because a particular group betrayed the other once upon a time.




Anarchists can easily go tea party... but.. I'm curious what you mean, one group betrayed the other once upon a time?


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Re: Democrats have no respect for Democracy [Re: Bigbadwooof]
    #28467883 - 09/13/23 05:35 PM (4 months, 12 days ago)

I guess you were joking, i hope youre joking about the trump stuff too :lol:

I refuse to re litigate 2016 forever into eternity. The dem party establishment's job is to get a dem party establishment candidate elected, boo hoo, but you are acting like bernie had 99% of the vote and then the party capped him in the back of the head. In both elections, I was not prevented from voting for him. Sad to say, the fact is that he lost, this country is not nearly as progressive as we'd like to believe. Oh well.

It's old news. Doesn't fucking matter. Bernie's time has passed, bummer. But the mechanism of the Dem party allowed us to get closer than ever, and no one has proposed a more viable route to a left-wing victory. Burning it all down and letting the fascists win is not a viable path, at all. That would be the end to any leftist project for a generation at least.

The idea that both parties are the same benefits the right wing. It's horseshit. We have two neoliberal parties who will do everything in their power to maintain capitalism, but beyond that, on every issue Democrats are better.

It's clear you've fallen for some anti-vax conspiracy shit, but I really really really am sick of arguing about it, so lets agree to disagree about that.

I just want you to take a closer look at the content you're consuming, and pay attention to: how often they are attacking the right for their batshit insanity, vs agreeing with the right, vs attacking democrats, vs promoting actual positive leftist messages like pro-environment, pro-union, pro-community organizing

and how often your emotions are preyed upon by making you outraged and angry...

Do you know anything about Biden's NLRB?


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Re: Democrats have no respect for Democracy [Re: Lynnch]
    #28467885 - 09/13/23 05:36 PM (4 months, 12 days ago)

Anarchists wouldn't be caught dead with conservative authoritarians.
Historically, during the revolution anarchists and communists worked together, then the communists stabbed them in the back (quite literally)


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Re: Democrats have no respect for Democracy [Re: Bigbadwooof]
    #28467894 - 09/13/23 05:42 PM (4 months, 12 days ago)

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I'm waiting for someone to say



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"Trump has no respect for Democracy, dur-de-dur", but this post isn't about Trump either. Trump may or may not respect Democracy... He may be the fascist demagogue he's portrayed to be. That has no bearing on what I am saying, because Trump is not the Republican party. He's one member of the party.




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Re: Democrats have no respect for Democracy [Re: Lynnch]
    #28467902 - 09/13/23 05:54 PM (4 months, 12 days ago)

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I guess you were joking, i hope youre joking about the trump stuff too :lol:

I refuse to re litigate 2016 forever into eternity. The dem party establishment's job is to get a dem party establishment candidate elected, boo hoo, but you are acting like bernie had 99% of the vote and then the party capped him in the back of the head. In both elections, I was not prevented from voting for him. Sad to say, the fact is that he lost, this country is not nearly as progressive as we'd like to believe. Oh well.




No, he was cheated out of the primary, blatantly. That is the fact.

And nothing has fucking changed.

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It's old news. Doesn't fucking matter. Bernie's time has passed, bummer. But the mechanism of the Dem party allowed us to get closer than ever, and no one has proposed a more viable route to a left-wing victory. Burning it all down and letting the fascists win is not a viable path, at all. That would be the end to any leftist project for a generation at least.




The mechanism has demonstrated that we will never make it to that finish line. It's clear that there is no future whatsoever for leftist politics in the democratic party. I highly disagree with you on every but of this. If the Democratic party collapsed, it would be replaced quickly.

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The idea that both parties are the same benefits the right wing. It's horseshit. We have two neoliberal parties who will do everything in their power to maintain capitalism, but beyond that, on every issue Democrats are better.




Obama may as well have been Bush. They are the same.

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It's clear you've fallen for some anti-vax conspiracy shit, but I really really really am sick of arguing about it, so lets agree to disagree about that.




People do conspire, in the world. How are you so sure you haven't fallen for the lies of your party? Why are you so trusting of a party that consistently fails you at every turn? Balls is right... they have all of these life-long politicians, who should have the game figured out, but the Democrats just never seem to accomplish fuck all for the middle class.

Fucking union busting pieces of shit. What Biden did to the RR workers is an unforgivable sin, for a "lefty"... whatever you think of railroad workers, they ought to have the right to collectively bargain on their own behalf.

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I just want you to take a closer look at the content you're consuming, and pay attention to: how often they are attacking the right for their batshit insanity, vs agreeing with the right, vs attacking democrats, vs promoting actual positive leftist messages like pro-environment, pro-union, pro-community organizing




It is my belief that Biden bombed thr Nordstream pipeline (because he said it himself)... I know many disagree with me, though. In my view, that is an unforgivable crime against the environment. Dems are union busters. Clearly... I don't know how you can argue otherwise. I don't think Trump would have done what Biden did to the RR workers. Maybe you do. We will have to disagree on that.

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And how often your emotions are preyed upon by making you outraged and angry...

Do you know anything about Biden's NLRB?




NLRB?

How can you separate your emotions from your politics? Politics directly affect the lives of everyone, and emotions are therefore involved.

Anyone who tells you their emotions are separate from their politics is either a psychopath, or lying.


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Re: Democrats have no respect for Democracy [Re: Ice9]
    #28467905 - 09/13/23 05:58 PM (4 months, 12 days ago)

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You don't even need others to comment in your threads.  You appear capable of arguing with yourself.




I'm more than capable of arguing against your stupid ass posts lol

They rarely have any substance, except laughing at people...


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