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 SillyWilly
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 Does Patriot act make the need for seach warrants irrelevant 
#2842371 - 06/30/04 03:53 AM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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If a cop showed up at your house and wanted to search it, and you asked to see a warrant, can he just bust out the Patriot act and charge in? How does this act work? Does it just give an excuse for a cop to legally search your house whenever he wants?
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kotik
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 Re: Does Patriot act make the need for seach warrants irrele [Re: SillyWilly]
#2842634 - 06/30/04 06:46 AM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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Patriot act basically says that if there is ANY suspicion of you being a terrorist, or supporting terrorists, they don't need a warrant. They may also secretly execute terrorists without telling anyone.
Now, these are all rare cases, but the potential for abuse is there, which is why this is such a horrible thing to pass, here in the US.
Also, by the definition in the Patriot act, drugs can be considered weapons of mass destruction. Also, recently a head honcho in hollywood declared that over 50% of the people pirating movies are terrorists. Of course it's all B.S. but I bet you have seen some recent commercials linking drug dealers to 9/11.
YOu can see how it is slowly being accepted all over the country, because of ignorance.
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Re: Does Patriot act make the need for seach warrants irrele [Re: kotik]
#2843784 - 06/30/04 03:51 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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we are considered terrorists!
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Re: Does Patriot act make the need for seach warrants irrele [Re: kotik]
#2843908 - 06/30/04 04:30 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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Quote:
kotik said:
They may also secretly execute terrorists without telling anyone.
'terrorists' may also be improsoned for an indefinate period with out the luxury of a trial, all assets may also be seized under the RICO act
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Re: Does Patriot act make the need for seach warrants irrele [Re: kotik]
#2844082 - 06/30/04 05:28 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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well i know my weed grower/dealer definately sends a check to al queda every month 
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Re: Does Patriot act make the need for seach warrants irrele [Re: fearfect]
#2844227 - 06/30/04 06:16 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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Quote:
fearfect said:
well i know my weed grower/dealer definately sends a check to al queda every month
who should i make my checks out too?
id love to help.
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Re: Does Patriot act make the need for seach warrants irrele [Re: kotik]
#2845692 - 07/01/04 02:16 AM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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Ya....So basically, if a cop showed up at your house and wanted to get in without a search warrant, he could just say he thought you were terrorists...then if he finds drugs or soemthing illegal once he's in, Im sure just because its not linked to terrorists you wouldnt get accused. "oh well, to terrorists but we found something"
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Re: Does Patriot act make the need for seach warrants irrele [Re: SillyWilly]
#2845876 - 07/01/04 03:11 AM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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yeah, that's pretty much how it goes. If anyone wants some Alex Jones (www.InfoWars.com, www.PrisonPlanet.com) videos, PM me
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Re: Does Patriot act make the need for seach warrants irrele [Re: SillyWilly]
#2845905 - 07/01/04 03:21 AM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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No -- there still has to be probable cause proven in a court of law. The Patriot Act does not change this.
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Re: Does Patriot act make the need for seach warrants irrele [Re: micro]
#2846014 - 07/01/04 04:02 AM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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So a cop finding drugs in somebodys house who he initially proclaimed he thought was a terrorist means they dont get convicted of the drug charges? Its only possible for them to be convicted if they found something related to terrorism?
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Re: Does Patriot act make the need for seach warrants irrele [Re: SillyWilly]
#2846090 - 07/01/04 04:32 AM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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I don't understand the correlation -- The DEA is not going to search your house on the premise that you are a terrorist in order to seize drug evidence. It doesn't matter, though -- section 213 does not even mention anything about terrorism. Furthormore, a warrant still has to be obtained, but you do not need to be notified of it right away.
Your 4th amendment rights protect you against unreasonable search and seizure. This means that no one can enter your house without either your permission, a warrant or sufficient probable cause, and warrants can be contested in a court. If there is evidence that you are doing anything illegal the cops have always been able to obtain a warrant based on such evidence -- the only thing the act would really change is the way it's carried out.
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Re: Does Patriot act make the need for seach warrants irrele [Re: micro]
#2846256 - 07/01/04 06:53 AM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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the "probable cause" part is now too open to interpretation, therefore abuse.
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Re: Does Patriot act make the need for seach warrants irrele [Re: SillyWilly]
#2846754 - 07/01/04 11:51 AM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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At this point in time, it doesnt effect anyone with a search warrant and drugs. There is a great potential for abuse tho which makes me nervous.
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Re: Does Patriot act make the need for seach warrants irrele [Re: SillyWilly]
#2846766 - 07/01/04 11:56 AM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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The "patriot act" can kiss my ass while I flush it down the toilet after burning it!
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