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looking for something
    #2846716 - 07/01/04 11:34 AM (12 years, 5 months ago)

when the mind is looking for something
do you believe it applys a kind of filter mask
over all input in order to find what is being looked for?


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Re: looking for something [Re: redgreenvines]
    #2846731 - 07/01/04 11:42 AM (12 years, 5 months ago)

I think the mind narrows it's scope to focus when searching for something (assuming it knows what it's searching for). Does that answer your question?


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Re: looking for something [Re: Viaggio]
    #2846750 - 07/01/04 11:50 AM (12 years, 5 months ago)

like squinting you mean?


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Re: looking for something [Re: redgreenvines]
    #2846786 - 07/01/04 12:02 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

Hmm...here's an example.  Say I'm standing in a huge mall parking lot searching for my red car.  Right away, I'm going to quickly dismiss (or like you mentioned filter) every car that isn't red to help me find my car faster.

If I didn't narrow my scope by ignoring what I knew was not what I was looking for, I'd be in the parking lot much, much longer...searching...maybe getting hot and frustrated...then thirsty and hungry, and eventually collapsing and being picked at by vultures :smile:

So, sure; like squinting.


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Re: looking for something [Re: Viaggio]
    #2847707 - 07/01/04 04:33 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

while looking for your car you are also moving and scanning?


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Re: looking for something [Re: redgreenvines]
    #2848298 - 07/01/04 07:26 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

Of course...are these genuine questions, or are you trying to say something?


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Re: looking for something [Re: Viaggio]
    #2850307 - 07/02/04 07:43 AM (12 years, 5 months ago)

yes, the seeker "program" or the routines of "looking for something"
can be a complex program with lots of subroutines taking a fair bit of time to run.

but essentially it is a mask:
it filters input, and has a kind of expression or action.

the collective unconsious seems to me to be a database of these masks.
(some admitedly more complicated than others)


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Re: looking for something [Re: redgreenvines]
    #2850440 - 07/02/04 09:34 AM (12 years, 5 months ago)

I'm not sure I completely follow you (but I'm trying). Filters help serve as division between what we want and what we don't want. A mask is something to conceal an identity.

Finally, collective uncouncious...I'm familiar with this idea, and though it is interesting, there is no way (that I know of) to detect its existance. Can a tree in the forest see the entire forest?


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Re: looking for something [Re: Viaggio]
    #2850532 - 07/02/04 10:21 AM (12 years, 5 months ago)

the eye holes in the mask are filters
the shape of the mask deforms the outer world guiding
the reaction into the eyeholes.


Edited by redgreenvines (07/02/04 10:21 AM)


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Re: looking for something [Re: redgreenvines]
    #2850582 - 07/02/04 10:57 AM (12 years, 5 months ago)

Sorry, you lost me :wtf:


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Re: looking for something [Re: Viaggio]
    #2850613 - 07/02/04 11:11 AM (12 years, 5 months ago)

sorry,
to look for something we apply a mask.
the eye holes are shaped to enhance the recognition of what we seek,
and the expression on the mask elicits a response from the world of the type we are seeking.

like flushing pheasants out of a bush.

our facial expressions are useful to express emotional cues seeking the responses we want.

masks are not just the facial expressions we make and the eyeslits, but entire performances of psychodrama may be the expression (out go) and the desired response (in come) is not just visual.

anyway I bring it up because the out go and the in come are tightly coupled, and we (grown-ups) hold so many masks in our mind to apply at any moment of need.

I was wondering who notices this type of thing.


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Re: looking for something [Re: redgreenvines]
    #2853354 - 07/03/04 06:15 AM (12 years, 5 months ago)

Yeah, are minds certainly tricky, ready to delude us at our desire. That is why in order to really see things as they are, we need to get rid of the desire, the attachment, the duality. So instead of "WANTING to find MY RED CAR" we are just in the parking lot. And then if we don't find the car, it's no big deal anyway. Although from my experiences and real-life application of this point of view (which is difficult to maintain, without years and years of practice) the red car is found much quicker than if I had allowed my mind to do the filter search. Besides, in the end aren't "I" and the "red car" (and the parking lot and all the other cars and lights and mind masks) all the same?


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Re: looking for something [Re: redgreenvines]
    #2853355 - 07/03/04 06:17 AM (12 years, 5 months ago)

By the way, that's a good observation redgreenvines.


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Re: looking for something [Re: redgreenvines]
    #2855429 - 07/04/04 04:05 AM (12 years, 5 months ago)

Yes. I would say that this is truth.


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