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Re: COVID-19 = SARS-CoV-2 - Novel Coronavirus Pandemic Main Thread - PART 3 (Third Wave 2021-2022 season) [Re: morrowasted]
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I want to get wildly metaphorical here yet using a very specific exactly scientific example. So here it is.
So you have the one scenario where a person goes into a hospital with a deadly infection that is killing the person. They're treated for the infection and start getting better. They leave the hospital and come back. They ask how they're getting hurt with an infection again. The doctor says "well the thing is you didn't take care of yourself and your wound probably didn't really entirely heal. It looks like you have the same infection from the same wound." The patient says "doctor that is impossible because we cured that infection last time I was here. It was entirely disinfected. There was nothing to continue to spread or to continue to carry the genetic information from last time." The doctor says "actually no we treated that infection. But it appears as though it never actually entirely healed. The medicine killed like 99.99% of it but your body is supposed to fight off the rest of it as the wound heals. Since you didn't actually allow the wound to heal and went out and made it worse a little bit of the bacteria survived and reinfected the wound. And in fact this little bit of surviving bacteria is probably resistant now to the medicine we use last time. That same treatment won't work again."
Bad news for the patient. But maybe if the patient is smart this won't happen again next time. The next scenario involves the patient going to the hospital with an infection and trying to cure this infection and doing it. Then he comes back months later with another infection. This person is not doing too well they are not entirely healthy they keep hurting themselves but at least the good news is the infection they had last time was totally cured and this new infection has nothing to do with the last one it's not carrying the same genetic information it's a totally brand new reinfection. The same medicine will probably work again as long as it's not abused.
The third scenario is the best one the patient goes to the hospital with an infection cures it and never comes back because they leave and are totally healthy for the rest of their life until they die at a happy old age.
Okay you're probably going to ask me why I'm bringing all this crap up? We're talking about a virus here not an infection for a wound inside or outside the body. Which is what an infection actually is to begin with right? Your body can fight an infection and infection that is uncontrollable is usually a wound whether it's inside or outside the body that the body could not fight and the infection site has become overgrown with a mutated very strongly aggressive type of germ that can no longer be fought and needs to be treated with something they can stop the already mutated infectious spread from getting worse which is already grown quite strong and it's immunity and its ability to defend itself from attacks so it's already got a leg up in some sort of genetic resistance in some way shape or form or another which already makes it a difficult thing to tackle although for a master of Medicine it's not so hard as long as that same tactic is not over abused to further fuel the resistance and mutation that's been created at this infectious site.
But this is not how we describe a virus right? A virus is a little piece of genetic code that gets in and sort of messes up all the other genetic code. It would be hard to compare to radiation but in the same way it kind of works like radiation one little piece hits another little piece and it knocks off another little piece and there's a chain reaction and it starts destroying the genetic chain of DNA Twisted together. Surprisingly enough for the fires it's often times not the virus that kills the body but the body's reaction to trying to fight it off and creating this inhospitable environment in the body that the virus doesn't want to be in which weakens it and makes it easier for your immune system to attack it which in turn just hurts your own immune system even more and makes it susceptible to infections and things like that.
But bear with me in the most random metaphorical sense using the most explicit logical application of scientific terms possible if America was infected with covid on the leg or the hand or the foot or inside the lung which scenario is America facing?
The first scenario where covid infects America and is never totally healed and now it's mutated and gained some resistance it's not even the same thing it was before and it's basically untreatable with the same methods because it's not even the same thing that was before?
Or has America been infected and it just keeps getting wounded and is becoming reinfected but not with something that's any stronger or more mutated than the first time?
Or is it the search scenario where America has been infected but that infection has been cured and America does not have to worry about being infected again on that same level because that area is healed it is strong and resistant and nothing along that same line is going to come in and hurt it again in that same way and have the ability to mutate itself and become stronger and come back and hurt America in a way that it's not prepared for the first time?
I'm probably making everyone's head spin with these deeply metaphorical questions. Yet I think the analogy is very accurate. I think despite whatever germ it is a sort of works in the same way. If not from an entirely different method but the infection will either be a virus or a bacteria or a fungus. It comes in and if your body eradicates it not only is it eradicated from your body it's totally eradicated so it's not going to infect someone else's body. Gone done totally gone the genetic code is destroyed. Or it comes in an infects you and possibly infect somebody else jumping from you to somebody else but eventually that's contained and your body destroys it and the other person's body destroys it and if you get infected again it's an entirely different thing because once again this thing has been totally eradicated. Or the third scenario where you have some infection it's cured but really not entirely you never took care of yourself you never got rid of it entirely your body fought it but this thing has grown the power to just reinfect people and jump from one host to another and mutate and it's still getting strength learning how to fight medicines and amenities becoming unbearably mutated with genetic changing abilities and the same sick people never heal so it hits one person leaves to another person comes back to that same person mutates and mutates and mutates and at some point it's almost impossible to treat anymore it's found a breeding ground to go ahead and change itself restricting itself mutated self leave from one house to another and come back to that same host stronger than it ever has been before making it almost impossible to treat before without new techniques and medicines?
Perhaps I'm seeing too deep into this with his covid thing. But then again millions of other people that are no longer around anymore who died might disagree. They can no longer tell their tail but if they were still alive I wonder what they would think? Is it safe to say this this thing is eradicated that the original version is no longer around and that the version that is there now has been weakened and is no longer near strong as the original version? Is this thing close to being wiped off the face of the planet like smallpox in the black plague where even though this disease killed millions and millions and millions of people it is since been discovered how to eradicate it and they really only exists in the laboratory form on the face of the Earth so people can continue studying it for whatever purpose?
It's hard to say now. But for some reason I just really don't feel like it's the most positive scenario of all those scenarios. I mean I feel like people are still getting sick with Covid night and day. Many people think the new strain is nothing like the old strain it's not nearly as deadly and that old strain is gone forever. But I do believe the new strain is just as mutatious as ever, it infects one person that person gets sick, then it's another person and then mutates and comes back to that first person is someone different but regardless of the infects that person.
Is this a weakened germ or a strengthened germ? I'd like to know what I hope for. But I also know what I think is realistically more practical of an accurate idea.
Is all I am saying.
Edit: you know the other side of the story is that these super resistant germs are not as easy to create as they appear to be made out to be on the media. It's like the whole rumor that if you take some medicine twice a year and you take it 2 days at a time each time you take it the third time it won't exist because you've created some super super super genetically resistant mutated monster of a germ that cannot be affected by this medicine anymore ever again in history is apparently a very wild exaggerated example of how that actually works.
The super resistant bug is like the crackhead they just can't be killed no matter how many times you shoot him he's so high on crack no matter how much crack you give him he just won't overdose on it he's just become so resistant he walks into a bunch of cops firing line with a knife high on more crack than you could ever imagine and takes like 25 bullets and still doesn't die yet till like the 26th bullet hits him. Not something you see everyday right?
Obviously the genetically resistant bug that travels around and cannot be destroyed by any type of medicine in the world is almost somewhat of a fictitious Creation in itself that only exists in fantasies. If that was entirely real the entire planet would be dead. The pharmaceutical Industries entirely over-controlled and doctors like to act like they know what is best and certain medicine sometimes are not prescribed because the patient will use their insurance or whatever the doctor will get paid less money. Medical propaganda in itself to create wild stories to stop people from doing things is another over-abuse tactic to probably stop the practical application of medicine where it should be applied. The pendulum swings one way and then it swings back the other way. For every action there's an opposite and equal reaction Etc. Doctors themselves in hospitals are usually the ones that over abuse the use of a certain medicine in fact I've even heard of people cleaning counters with antibiotics which would make the most antibiotic resistant germs ever as long as one germ survives it can create a resistance and it will just get stronger and stronger and stronger and stronger the more you will abuse that technique.
How easy is it to create a crackhead that is totally Unstoppable they cannot overdose on crack the more crack you give him the stronger he gets bullets barely stopping he needs to be shot by like 26 cops to finally die? Well it's not an everyday scenario and that reality.
or is it? I mean it doesn't happen every 5 minutes but it happens all the time. Never a year goes by where you don't hear some story on the news or some crazy crackhead they smoke so much crack and was so much resistant to crack and cannot be killed by crack and even bullets weren't stopping him and it took like 125 bullets by like 16 different cops to finally bring the guy down. It's just real as people make it to be unfortunately. I mean it could be something that barely happens in is practically a total mess exaggerated and Fantasies to control certain aspects of application of treatment techniques in an industry. Or it can be an everyday reality.
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Re: COVID-19 = SARS-CoV-2 - Novel Coronavirus Pandemic Main Thread - PART 3 (Third Wave 2021-2022 season) [Re: imachavel] 1
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Yeah to be honest man I'm not going to read all that. Even if it were half that long I wouldn't read it. It's not complicated. Just like other things with RNA/DNA in them, viruses mutate over time. COVID originally was a sars virus that mutated to be able to transmit between humans. Then that subset of transmissible sars virus continued mutating. The variants that spread the most were by logical necessity those that were the less immobilizing and fatal, because a moving breathing body spreads virus to more hosts than a corpse. After a few years and heptajillion mutations, you arrive here, at the point where tge descendants of that same set of variants has varied even more to the point where doesn't get you anymore sick than any of the other coronaviruses we've always dealt with and never bothered to genetically characterize. This cycle of new viruses emerging, the susceptible dying off, and the weakest strains remaining in circulation is probably how all of the current common cold viruses began. Same thing that has been said since the beginning
I hope I'm not speaking way out of turn because I really haven't been paying much attention to the news but I mean it when I say I just haven't seen any coronavirus patients in the hospital in a long time
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Re: COVID-19 = SARS-CoV-2 - Novel Coronavirus Pandemic Main Thread - PART 3 (Third Wave 2021-2022 season) [Re: morrowasted]
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You are saying covid is just as weak as the common cold now?
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Re: COVID-19 = SARS-CoV-2 - Novel Coronavirus Pandemic Main Thread - PART 3 (Third Wave 2021-2022 season) [Re: imachavel]
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I'm saying that if it's not(or if it is, either way), nobody's turning up to the hospital over it
One of the points that myself and many other people kept trying to get across in the beginning was the major issue was logistical. Simply too many people were getting hospitalized specifically for covid too fast. Neither those nor people who expected or needed other kinds of routine or emergency care could get it (adequately). It's one of those things that's really easy to ignore if you're not in the hospital and impossible to ignore if you are which is why it was so frustrating
As long as an infectious disease isn't causing slowdowns in the system it is at a manageable level. The reason there was concern in 2020 was because it was not at a manageable level.
I don't know if the news is stretching for a sound bite or something or if theres shit going on in other parts of the country that isn't happening here but COVID simply isn't an issue here and now. Yes people are suffering from long-term complications but what are you going to do about that? They already got covid. You can't vaccinate against the covid they already got that already caused irreversible damage. The new strains don't really seem worth vaccinating against.
Honestly I think I might be getting over COVID right now. Went out to a jam packed club on Saturday and felt like dog shit yesterday. Can't really be bothered to find out though cuz I already feel on the upswing and don't work again til Thursday
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Re: COVID-19 = SARS-CoV-2 - Novel Coronavirus Pandemic Main Thread - PART 3 (Third Wave 2021-2022 season) [Re: morrowasted] 1
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There are much much bigger problems to worry about in the healthcare system now like the fact that everything not owned by a church has been bought up by fraudsters squeezing our medicare dollars out of the governments pocket. People can barely get adequate care for anything anymore, much less infectious diseases, without going bankrupt
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Re: COVID-19 = SARS-CoV-2 - Novel Coronavirus Pandemic Main Thread - PART 3 (Third Wave 2021-2022 season) [Re: morrowasted]
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Except the long-term effects/impacts of having any of the covid variants is still not fully known, nor will it be for many years to come. This includes weakening of the vascular and respiratory system, among other issues.
People aren't catching COVID19 anymore imo.
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Re: COVID-19 = SARS-CoV-2 - Novel Coronavirus Pandemic Main Thread - PART 3 (Third Wave 2021-2022 season) [Re: morrowasted]
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Wasn't small pox kinda always fatal, why didnt it evolve to be less deadly? Maybe because it had a large incubation period where you spread it before you die?
Agreed that privatization is horrible for health care, or atleadt where its driven by insane profits
There are some country that have a mixture of privitised and free healthcare where it works out better then one or the other
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Re: COVID-19 = SARS-CoV-2 - Novel Coronavirus Pandemic Main Thread - PART 3 (Third Wave 2021-2022 season) [Re: gopher]
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it's a matter of semantics. In the medical setting a positive covid diagnosis was always made on the basis of clinical presentation in conjunction with infection status not just infection status alone. The fact that everybody who turned up positive for the SARS cov 2 virus got a covid-19 diagnosis even if they weren't really sick with COVID was partially an artifact of the way and extent to which that testing was done.and isolation policies related to positive tests. We simply don't test for other viruses that way
Everyone is walking around right now with bacteria and viruses in their body that could cause them to have diseases like tuberculosis. And that's actually a perfect example. Just because you come up positive for tuberculosis on a skin test doesn't mean you get a diagnosis of tuberculosis. You then go get chest x-rays done. Most people who have TB bacteria in their lungs do not have a tuberculosis diagnosis and should not have one because, well they don't have tuberculosis. Same thing with many viruses. Lots of folks don't get sick from the flu and it wouldn't make sense to diagnose them with the flu just because they came up with a positive test unless they were actually sick
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Re: COVID-19 = SARS-CoV-2 - Novel Coronavirus Pandemic Main Thread - PART 3 (Third Wave 2021-2022 season) [Re: morrowasted]
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If enough people are sick then even the rich people will start dying. And we can't have that. I truly believe that's what this whole cover thing was all about.
I believe in the beginning of this pandemic I constantly said during the quarantine "hey, one person is sick and the whole world shuts down?" To which this chorus of voices from every single person I ever talk to you would like "yeah this is about helping people bruh! Do you want sick people dying?" My answer though came in a different form once I was allowed to finish my sentence. It was "well there are 69 people all the time. We have HIV we have Ebola we have the common flu which kills millions of people in the world every year. If a few sick people is enough to shut down the world why are we just doing it now? Is all I'm saying."
It was explained to me that covid was a devastating disease. Killing millions and mutating Beyond any logical reason. I argued that it seemed in the beginning is a lot of people had it and were being diagnosed and had no symptoms as though this disease was only hitting people with pre-existing conditions. And like I said boy does a hit people with pre-existing conditions. I mean boy does it hit people with pre-existing conditions. You have a pre-existing position and Kobe would just come in and just take over.
Finally I had to accept it. The world was different forever. We were never going to be able to walk into a place again without having to stand 10 ft away from each other wearing masks. It's just though I was proving wrong. It's as though the world prove to me that "yes if just a few people are sick and dying we will all totally quarantine and prevent it from spreading for the benefit of the few so that the many will not end up like those. It's no way to live. People are sick and dying so let's be well above everything else."
The economy resumed and it seemed as though this was the new way of life for the rest of my life. And how bad was it? Eventually you could do anything as long as you could wear a mask and stand like 5 or 10 ft away from someone else. You could have a concert just everyone had to wear a mask and stand 5 or 10 feet away from everyone else. Social distancing was a normal thing and when the statistics started going up stores would just lessen the amount of people were sick stores would allow maybe 50 people in at a time wearing masks and standing apart from each other and then if the statistics went up it was only like 10 people at a time wearing masks and standing 5 or 10 ft apart from each other.
I thought the major benefit was the lack of spreading other infectious diseases Beyond just covid. I think statistically people stop getting other things they stopped getting the flu they stopped getting all sorts of transmissible infections. Transmissible infections that may be on a normal condition are almost totally harmless to people but like I said the major point for transmissible infection to gain strength is in a weak person's immune system where it can fight off medicine and fight off the immunities defenses and become stronger and stronger and then jump into another person and jump into another person and mutate. But at this point with all the social distancing even these simple infections that were growing and turning into horrible diseases we're being stopped dead in their tracks.
The economy resumed in life resumed and things were booming hyperinflation started long before the vaccine. It seemed is the life would go on forever like this with social distancing or at least for quite a long time. I even thought for a minute that we might wipe the common cold off the face of the planet with enough social distancing. With enough prohibiting the transmission of infections I truly thought that even stuff that we saw on a daily level that doesn't hurt too many people but just destroys and kills millions of people a year anyway was almost going to be wiped off the face of the planet.
Then after a few vaccines at all ended. We are where we are now. Everyone is admitting it even especially people that work in the healthcare industry that it's based on statistics. They're not enough statistics for the government to continue to impose this sort of Lifestyle. But truly I believe what really brings about these pandemic restrictions more than anything is probably the amount of rich people that will start dying if enough people get sick which is unacceptable.
But the record I feel like I was proving wrong. For all the times I said "are we really going to do this just to stop a few people from getting sick? Change the world and the way it work?" At times it was a big social media fad to go online and post a picture of yourself quarantining explaining how much you were "helping all the people that are dying. Don't be selfish like those people that don't care and go outside." And I thought I was so proven wrong about my opinion.
But yeah years later I'm pretty sure that I'm right on the way the world is usually thinking. Nobody cares unless it's a big social media fad. Or unless enough rich people are dying. A few people being sick is not a strong enough reason to change the way of life. Even though with maybe enough resources dedicated towards preventative thinking surface cleaning mask wearing a distancing and screening for diseases and medications possibly it would be possible to wipe out almost every disease on the planet? Possibly even the most common infections would just become so weak without hosts to mutate inside of in green strength.
but whatever I don't make the rules right. I was labeled so selfish with my opinion in the beginning of this thing when I said it was so retarded to stop people from going and doing their normal jobs and making money and having fuel for the economy because a few people were sick. I was told I was so selfish. But in a way I think whatever one meant to say was "yeah you're right."
Unless of course it's going to have a big impact on the incredibly wealthy community
Edit: and yes I'm referencing germs outside of the body as weak and germs inside of the body is strong for a reason.
Why? Because of genetic preference. A germ side the body gains a genetic preference to mutate and become stronger to prevent itself from being destroyed by medications and antibodies. Outside the body The Germ does not develop these genetic preferences for these defenses. Outside the body is fighting other germs it's genetic preferences are totally different in development.
Am I saying that a term that could never infect a host would genetically mutate itself outside of any genetic preference to develop defenses that would assist it invading a host?
Why yes I am. That is how these germs mutate to begin with. Most of them coexist in the world on a daily basis and have no preference for hurting us. The gain strength by genetic preference in evolution. At one time trees did not rot in the ground is there was no fungus that had developed yet that would attack the tree. They had not developed. Trees would sit there and petrify that's how you got coal.
It's amazing how that works with a host a general develop an ability to defend itself against the host and remove the hosts defenses. Outside in the wild this germ will mutate itself into something else they just not retain the genetic abilities to fight off antibodies and medicines inside of a host body.
After enough vaccines smallpox itself did not exist in the way in the world to infect a person perhaps a few viruses escaped a few hosts and was never killed by antibodies that got the vaccine that copy the genetic code and could fight the virus. If it's somehow survived outside of people in any way shape or form it simply mutated into something that fought the natural competing germs in the outside world in the wild instead of the human hosts antibodies.
I'm not saying there's any evidence to smallpox itself mutated outside of a person in the wild into something that could not infect a person anymore because it had no genetic defenses towards a host and only mutated itself into something and do it infect other non-animal hosts and simply defend itself against other competing germs. Maybe there's no evidence because maybe it never happened. But if it had survived outside of people for enough time this is the only way I would have done so.
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Re: COVID-19 = SARS-CoV-2 - Novel Coronavirus Pandemic Main Thread - PART 3 (Third Wave 2021-2022 season) [Re: imachavel] 1
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it's always been based on statistics.
Some people started describing COVID in terms like incidence rate, hospitalization rate, and fatality rate right from the beginning. They were always the measures that mattered. Back then people just denied that they were legitimate. Now you wanna try to say it medical discretion was never statistically based to begin with? Come on dude
As far as I can tell since I'm not seeing any covid patients it seems like this thread just keeps getting bumped because certain people aren't ready to give up the soapbox that COVID became for them
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Re: COVID-19 = SARS-CoV-2 - Novel Coronavirus Pandemic Main Thread - PART 3 (Third Wave 2021-2022 season) [Re: morrowasted]
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My concern is that we not go out of our way to legitimize irrational right wing fears that the fires of COVID would be undeservedly stoked for political reasons even after it ceased to be an acute problem. And we shouldn't let right-wing people try to stoke those fires themselves. The fires are going out, no thanks to the hordes of auntie Masters and anti-vaxxers. Just like we tried to let you know when things are getting bad the first time will llet you know again. Stop paying lip service to distrusting the news and actually develop a healthy skepticism of it
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Re: COVID-19 = SARS-CoV-2 - Novel Coronavirus Pandemic Main Thread - PART 3 (Third Wave 2021-2022 season) [Re: morrowasted]
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I see all the news stations on YouTube CNN, Forbes, stuff like that, all slightly right wing, the only news source I dont see slightly right it CBC in Canada, its pretty centered slightly to the left maybe
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Re: COVID-19 = SARS-CoV-2 - Novel Coronavirus Pandemic Main Thread - PART 3 (Third Wave 2021-2022 season) [Re: gopher]
#28466596 - 09/12/23 02:42 PM (4 months, 13 days ago) |
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gopher said: I see all the news stations on YouTube CNN, Forbes, stuff like that, all slightly right wing, the only news source I dont see slightly right it CBC in Canada, its pretty centered slightly to the left maybe
Centrist, in this day and age, doesn't mean unbiased. It's unfortunate, as centrist should imply unbiased, pretty much by definition
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Re: COVID-19 = SARS-CoV-2 - Novel Coronavirus Pandemic Main Thread - PART 3 (Third Wave 2021-2022 season) [Re: Tulipslave]
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Hard disagree. If one side is correct, but the centrist is playing it as if both sides have a point, they are by definition, biased, as they are claiming two viewpoints, 1 right and 1 wrong, are equally deserving of paying attention to. Therefore, they are biased towards the incorrect or wrong viewpoint and magnifying its relevance in the argument.
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Re: COVID-19 = SARS-CoV-2 - Novel Coronavirus Pandemic Main Thread - PART 3 (Third Wave 2021-2022 season) [Re: morrowasted]
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morrowasted said: There are much much bigger problems to worry about in the healthcare system now like the fact that everything not owned by a church has been bought up by fraudsters squeezing our medicare dollars out of the governments pocket. People can barely get adequate care for anything anymore, much less infectious diseases, without going bankrupt
So, if I get sick, I should go to a Baptist or Saint something or other hospital?
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CookieCrumbs
Fucked off to the pub


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Re: COVID-19 = SARS-CoV-2 - Novel Coronavirus Pandemic Main Thread - PART 3 (Third Wave 2021-2022 season) [Re: Ice9] 2
#28466664 - 09/12/23 04:00 PM (4 months, 13 days ago) |
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That's not what being centrist means.
Being centrist means you pick ideas from both sides based on the merit you think they have. But trying to see both sides and judge that merit.
And no they're not unbiased. With how intertwined politics are with the media and people in general there is going to be some leaning towards one direction or another.
A media outlet attempting to be unbiased is different than one being centrist. An unbiased one would give both sides room to thoroughly explain their points and the counterarguments to them without implying approval or condemnation to either opinion. A centrist one has no issue pushing one talking point or another.
Many left leaning mainstream media outlets in America, especially in decades past, were closer to centrist than left. Mainly because of the red scare and evangelical ideology. Now it's mostly just because supporting capitalism and the powers that benefit from it supports their business.
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Homo sapiens sapiens, lol

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Re: COVID-19 = SARS-CoV-2 - Novel Coronavirus Pandemic Main Thread - PART 3 (Third Wave 2021-2022 season) [Re: CookieCrumbs]
#28466683 - 09/12/23 04:23 PM (4 months, 13 days ago) |
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CookieCrumbs said: That's not what being centrist means.
Being centrist means you pick ideas from both sides based on the merit you think they have. But trying to see both sides and judge that merit.
And no they're not unbiased. With how intertwined politics are with the media and people in general there is going to be some leaning towards one direction or another.
A media outlet attempting to be unbiased is different than one being centrist. An unbiased one would give both sides room to thoroughly explain their points and the counterarguments to them without implying approval or condemnation to either opinion. A centrist one has no issue pushing one talking point or another.
Many left leaning mainstream media outlets in America, especially in decades past, were closer to centrist than left. Mainly because of the red scare and evangelical ideology. Now it's mostly just because supporting capitalism and the powers that benefit from it supports their business.
Beautifully written!
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Fiery
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Re: COVID-19 = SARS-CoV-2 - Novel Coronavirus Pandemic Main Thread - PART 3 (Third Wave 2021-2022 season) [Re: Baby_Hitler]
#28466687 - 09/12/23 04:28 PM (4 months, 13 days ago) |
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Baby_Hitler said:
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morrowasted said: There are much much bigger problems to worry about in the healthcare system now like the fact that everything not owned by a church has been bought up by fraudsters squeezing our medicare dollars out of the governments pocket. People can barely get adequate care for anything anymore, much less infectious diseases, without going bankrupt
So, if I get sick, I should go to a Baptist or Saint something or other hospital?
Morrowasted, that situation you described is fucked. Damn. Private healthcare if fucking over a lot of Americans. And you're in the industry so I believe you when you say there's fraudster owners of hospitals.
And just recently ANOTHER "Murder Nurse" was busted, this time a nurse that killed babies! And then the recent netflix documentary on this nurse who murdered like 36 people or some shit before caught, did you see it?
And guess what? In each case the HOSPITAL INTENTIONALLY COVERED UP EVIDENCE TO KEEP IT HUSH! Holy fuck if you havn't seen that it will scare you out of the hospitals for sure.
PS Baby Hitler- after what I just said: no hospital  PSS- how are the fig trees?
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Re: COVID-19 = SARS-CoV-2 - Novel Coronavirus Pandemic Main Thread - PART 3 (Third Wave 2021-2022 season) [Re: gopher]
#28466689 - 09/12/23 04:31 PM (4 months, 13 days ago) |
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gopher said: If I was a super hero, I'd transform into virus size and go attack covid and fuck it out of existence. fuck fuck fuck it out of existence
Wow, so sort of like ant man but even tinier? What else would you do?
Cool bro.
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