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The Dilbert Principle * 1
    #28466059 - 09/12/23 03:30 AM (4 months, 14 days ago)

If you've ever seen someone fail their way to success, you now have a name for it, the Dilbert Principle. A principle that generally makes for a great business decision by balancing the productivity of workers.

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The Dilbert Principle: The most ineffective workers will be systematically moved to the place where they can do the least damage — management.




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The Dilbert principle, by contrast, assumes that hierarchy just serves as a means for removing the incompetent to "higher" positions where they will be unable to cause damage to the workflow, assuming that the upper echelons of an organization have little relevance to its actual production, and that the majority of real, productive work in a company is done by people who rank lower. Unlike the Peter principle, the promoted individuals were not particularly good at any job they previously had, so awarding them a supervisory position is a way to remove them from the workforce without actually dismissing them, rather than a reward for meritorious service.






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Re: The Dilbert Principle [Re: sudly]
    #28466069 - 09/12/23 04:03 AM (4 months, 14 days ago)

When much of the world is measured in business decisions that prioritise balancing productivity over qualification, the wonder of the state of the world starts to make sense.


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The statement reflects a common observation about the world of business and organizational decision-making. In many cases, businesses prioritize productivity, efficiency, and short-term gains over other factors like qualifications, long-term sustainability, or ethical considerations. This focus on productivity can sometimes lead to decisions that may not seem to make sense from a broader perspective.

It's important to note that businesses often have a primary goal of maximizing profits and shareholder value, which can influence their decision-making processes. This focus on productivity and profitability can sometimes result in actions that may appear shortsighted or even detrimental to other aspects of society, such as environmental sustainability, employee well-being, or ethical concerns.

The state of the world can indeed be complex and influenced by various factors, including business decisions. Many individuals and organizations are working to find a balance between productivity and other important considerations, recognizing that long-term success often requires a more holistic approach that takes into account not only financial factors but also social and environmental impacts.

Efforts are being made to promote responsible business practices, sustainable development, and ethical decision-making in both the private and public sectors. As individuals and societies become more aware of these issues, there is hope for positive change and a more balanced approach to decision-making in the business world.




I'll just leave this here.


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Re: The Dilbert Principle [Re: sudly]
    #28466244 - 09/12/23 09:36 AM (4 months, 14 days ago)

I fail a lot, but never thought of Dilbert as my meme.


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Re: The Dilbert Principle [Re: redgreenvines]
    #28466487 - 09/12/23 01:18 PM (4 months, 14 days ago)

If one worker does their job consistently to a good standard and the other shits on the table, some business leaders decide to move that person to a new role so their table isn't shat on anymore.

And now I'm vying to shit on tables because I've been told first hand that sometimes suitability and qualification doesn't matter in face of maintaining or balancing productivity.

My productivity hurt my chances of moving elsewhere and it sucked to hear, but I was given autonomy so I don't need to be as productive anymore. Or I'm deciding not to be because I now realise it makes no difference in my situation.

There are a few decent eggs in the mix, but seeing the Dilbert Principle in action first hand is.. eye opening, because business wise I would make the same decision too, there's no way I would be moved from my role.


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Re: The Dilbert Principle [Re: sudly] * 1
    #28466576 - 09/12/23 02:28 PM (4 months, 14 days ago)

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sudly said:
When much of the world is measured in business decisions that prioritise balancing productivity over qualification, the wonder of the state of the world starts to make sense.


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The statement reflects a common observation about the world of business and organizational decision-making. In many cases, businesses prioritize productivity, efficiency, and short-term gains over other factors like qualifications, long-term sustainability, or ethical considerations. This focus on productivity can sometimes lead to decisions that may not seem to make sense from a broader perspective.

It's important to note that businesses often have a primary goal of maximizing profits and shareholder value, which can influence their decision-making processes. This focus on productivity and profitability can sometimes result in actions that may appear shortsighted or even detrimental to other aspects of society, such as environmental sustainability, employee well-being, or ethical concerns.

The state of the world can indeed be complex and influenced by various factors, including business decisions. Many individuals and organizations are working to find a balance between productivity and other important considerations, recognizing that long-term success often requires a more holistic approach that takes into account not only financial factors but also social and environmental impacts.

Efforts are being made to promote responsible business practices, sustainable development, and ethical decision-making in both the private and public sectors. As individuals and societies become more aware of these issues, there is hope for positive change and a more balanced approach to decision-making in the business world.




I'll just leave this here.





With respect to everything,
It all just seemingly makes for an extraordinarily ordinary level of  perfect sense, essentially speaking.

Not that I don't oftentimes also greatly & deeply struggle or grapple with things of 'it', 'myself', and or 'whatever else' there may or may not be to all of it whilst still in 'z' midst of said all.

  Especially if while still in the mid-developing an appropriate understanding with regard to some of the trickier elements, intricate aspects, and whatnot; however it may or may not potentially and or actually pertains - but still - Naturally it just makes total & complete sense on the most fundamental level possible, no matter what way you go about going about it, imho&e. :shrug:

Capeesh, or?


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Re: The Dilbert Principle [Re: The Blind Ass]
    #28466657 - 09/12/23 03:43 PM (4 months, 13 days ago)

That's thing, it is a great business decision and makes sense to any critical thinking rational business person.


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Re: The Dilbert Principle [Re: The Blind Ass]
    #28467159 - 09/13/23 02:14 AM (4 months, 13 days ago)

I was given the business insight, told I don't have to give extra, and given some autonomy to do it.

I made myself too valuable to move departments, but I now have a different role and some autonomy to work comfortably at my own pace.

My entire view on work has been turned upside down. I grew up a little.

Understanding the concept and context of a smart business decision is a powerful realisation.

I was also given the opportunity to have work experience as a volunteer conservation educator in a few weeks.

My perspective on career progression is flipping and it's been a process to capture, but I understand that it is a good business decision.


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Re: The Dilbert Principle [Re: sudly]
    #28467710 - 09/13/23 03:01 PM (4 months, 12 days ago)

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sudly said:

If one worker does their job consistently to a good standard and the other shits on the table, some business leaders decide to move that person to a new role so their table isn't shat on anymore.




I've seen this a lot.  An employee won't do their job or is unable to perform their job to a satisfactory level, so the manager gives the work to good employees and gives the poor employee some relaxing easy job - such as pushing a broom around the warehouse all day. 

A buddy in the military told me poor performers who disrupt the quality of the work are often "kicked upstairs".  They are given a promotion to get them off the team.  Team members are angry and perplexed that the crappy employee got the promotion. 

I've heard employees tell other employees to stop working so much, because the more you work, the more work they give you.  "Don't ever let your boss know how much you could accomplish"


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Re: The Dilbert Principle [Re: RJ Tubs 202]
    #28467853 - 09/13/23 05:15 PM (4 months, 12 days ago)

I've had so many failures that I have crossed off so many possible paths that by sheer persistence the only paths that remain are those that are successful. So any success that I have is a result of so many failures.


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Re: The Dilbert Principle [Re: Moses_Davidson]
    #28467925 - 09/13/23 06:22 PM (4 months, 12 days ago)

Now that's funny!


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Re: The Dilbert Principle [Re: RJ Tubs 202]
    #28468086 - 09/13/23 08:20 PM (4 months, 12 days ago)

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RJ Tubs 202 said:
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sudly said:

If one worker does their job consistently to a good standard and the other shits on the table, some business leaders decide to move that person to a new role so their table isn't shat on anymore.




I've seen this a lot.  An employee won't do their job or is unable to perform their job to a satisfactory level, so the manager gives the work to good employees and gives the poor employee some relaxing easy job - such as pushing a broom around the warehouse all day. 

A buddy in the military told me poor performers who disrupt the quality of the work are often "kicked upstairs".  They are given a promotion to get them off the team.  Team members are angry and perplexed that the crappy employee got the promotion. 

I've heard employees tell other employees to stop working so much, because the more you work, the more work they give you.  "Don't ever let your boss know how much you could accomplish"




From my experience, in a workplace where it's hard to be fired, if you do well within your department, you'll never leave that department.

Only try to be productive if you're where you want to be, otherwise you'll corner yourself in that role, and if you have no plan B, your career projection could be fucked. Because a common solution to ineptitude is to provide it with new placements to where it can do the least damage to productivity.

Sometimes when one door closes another one opens, and I do have a plan B to take hold of a great opportunity, but it's down the road and requires a bit of a leap into the unknown. Fortunately I have a promising solution, but that also requires me having independence from family etc to be able to do.


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Re: The Dilbert Principle [Re: sudly]
    #28468312 - 09/13/23 11:21 PM (4 months, 12 days ago)

I think the lesson here is that if you do well within your department, you reduce your chances of moving outside of it.


I've lost any desirable career opportunities where I am, but one I really want is now within grasp. :sun:


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Re: The Dilbert Principle [Re: sudly]
    #28468371 - 09/14/23 12:52 AM (4 months, 12 days ago)

Well guys, it sounds like if you're doing well you can't move departments, but you can move up from within. I still know the goal, and it'll be somewhere it's colder.

The extra productivity hurt my career opportunities to expand into different departments. I understand what a good business decision is, and I think my net productivity and positivity will be increased by taking the right opportunity in Victoria.

I have the independence to do it.

P.s it's the dudes 2nd last day before moving over and he was giving a presentation where he was showing a new fact sheet, and he said he hadn't read it and some people need pictures to learn.

It was 4 pages, with maybe 1000 words and lots of diagrams/pictures. He's had a long time to prepare for this.

Because I was given the business insight I accepted the outcome, but it's still funny to see the principle in action.


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Re: The Dilbert Principle [Re: sudly]
    #28470738 - 09/16/23 06:10 AM (4 months, 10 days ago)

Sudly, what is your employer doing right that makes you want to stay where you are?


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