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Tulpamancy vs Deity Yoga and Omnicyclion * 1
    #28464721 - 09/10/23 08:03 PM (4 months, 15 days ago)




https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tulpa


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deity_yoga


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This universe has a entral consciousness permeating it.

That is reflected as the most basic sense of Me in the brain stem.

This core identity is the same in all beings, it is your ego that gives you individuality.

it has a voice in you that most negleted to follow and by disuse faded into the bakground.

You can get in touch with that brain center again and the more you interact and transact with it, the stronger the connection and your alignment with it beomes.

Rather than conjured up yiffy the fox, you have reawakened and strengthened the best part of you, that connects you with your subconscious and all things.

Reviving and strengthening the inner process that makes many idealistic kids way better people than their disillusioned adult selves, who forgot how to be like children because of desire and other distractions, is the core mission of Omnicyclion.

When you have the lear inner dialogue with your highest self you got a road map and inner Master Miyagi to guide you through.

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Re: Tulpamancy vs Deity Yoga and Omnicyclion [Re: Asante] * 1
    #28465035 - 09/11/23 04:42 AM (4 months, 15 days ago)

While I prefer sticking with the basic fundamentals, guru-yoga, deity yoga, & ati yoga all have their pros and cons but can be pretty cool too, to a certain extent. I don't subscribe to any but have spent some months involved with each until eventually abandoning them for a more minimalistic approach. :thumbup:

IDK anything about Tulpamancy, I know of Tulpas, experientially, and, as a cultural thing - 'they're' but Mind manifestations; however, I never nor have I known of people practicing creative visualization for that particular point alone.

In guru/deity/ati-yoga there are visualization practices related in part to what could be classified as an entity of sorts, but I generally took that like a side piece for furthering the creative & fulfillment stages of some meditative purposes.  Beyond how that might blend into a more Dzogchen-esq hued way of things, I wouldn't really know what the point of Tulpamancy alone is for, let alone any potential worth.  Guess i've got some hw to do.

In the related but different ex as mentioned above ~ it's a small part within an elaborate system of practice or way, one which's often cluttered with confusing cultural baggage - and lots of it - (which, btwe, can be kinda  cool in its own right, but, also delusive and impractical in some other ways) of life wrt understanding the intricacies & nuances of buddha-dharma as the body:mind:environment via cultivation: as a way or skillful means for exploration, creative & fulfillment stages in some meditative practices involving visualization up to the point of evoking illusion, dream, and or hallucination, plus, generally (when geared so) practiced for a healing efx; which itself can have a real impact on the body & brain -or, if practiced improperly, can be potentially harmful to the practitioner. ie. extra deluding in addition to the already rampant level of natural delusion of Mind. Then again, Illusion & Delusion are like a pair of teachers in and of themselves, so...Idk too many people other ppl who care to consider or understand each like so tho.  Oh well, too bad. :shrug:

Iirc, the 3 (being based from and in what they are) when broken down, still generally pertain to practicing within the scope of 3 fundamentals: or - learning, discovering, and developing knowledge wrt universal yet relative morality, plus - elucidating the deep link between body:mind:enviro (<ie. co-mutual interdependent arising of all phenomenon by way of causality) via developing concentrative effort as an adjunctive means or aide in an ongoing yogic-science-like and or dharmic-based natural (be it: informal, formal, involuntary, and or voluntary - w/e!) meditative practice as geared towards insight into the nature of mind, the body, the world, and or phenomenon as a whole (samish 'ish anyways) pertaining to Wisdom.


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Re: Tulpamancy vs Deity Yoga and Omnicyclion [Re: Asante]
    #28465501 - 09/11/23 03:17 PM (4 months, 14 days ago)

Is the OP against tulpamancy, yiffy the fox, as opposed to deity yoga? Excuse dumb question. I didn't register that, if the case. I'm registering new cases.


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Re: Tulpamancy vs Deity Yoga and Omnicyclion [Re: syncro]
    #28465609 - 09/11/23 05:08 PM (4 months, 14 days ago)

Not at all. I'm against treating people with imaginary friends/Tulpas as batshit insane when its a normal natural function of the brain with deep roots in spirituality, and people even do so recreationally.

We are supposed to be consciousness explorers, well the ones of us who have grown tired of tit tunnels and explosions and wanting to put their minds and mushrooms to entheogenic use.

Since i was a 12yo chemistry kid inhaling ether (a powerful dissociative) in the dissoiative high a chemical name was sang to me by ecstatic choirs, with a molecule dancing in front of me.

Omnicyclion has an Entheogenic drug blessed for its study by Divinity itself:





it's coming.


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Re: Tulpamancy vs Deity Yoga and Omnicyclion [Re: Asante] * 1
    #28465690 - 09/11/23 06:24 PM (4 months, 14 days ago)

In Buddhist origins of tulpa.

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Nirmāṇakāya (Chinese: 應身; pinyin: yīngshēn; Tibetan: སྤྲུལ་སྐུ་, tulku, Wylie: sprul sku) is the third aspect of the trikāya and the physical manifestation of a Buddha in time and space.[1] In Vajrayāna it is described as "the dimension of ceaseless manifestation.



I wonder if that would be considered in 4h, 5th dimension ...

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ability to create a “mind-made body” (manomāyakāya) as one of the "fruits of the contemplative life"




Manomayakaya. :yesnod: Is tulku Pali for tulpa?

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Tibetan Buddhism

In Tibetan Buddhism, nirmanakayas are emanations of the Sambhoghakaya (enjoyment (or bliss) body) of the Buddhas, which effortlessly arise due to the compassionate energy (thugs rje) of the Buddhas. According to Jigme Lingpa, nirmanakaya (emanations) appear "according to the different perceptions, dispositions, and aspirations" of sentient beings. He also states that "their enlightened activities, which remove the delusions of samsara, are as limitless as the boundless reaches of space."[7]

In Tibetan Buddhism, there are various types of tulkus or nirmanakaya. According to the Nyingma scholar yogi Jigme Lingpa, the main classifications include:[8][9][10]

    Natural nirmanakaya or nature nirmanakaya (rang bzhin sprul pa), this is a nirmanakaya which is "in harmony with the sambhoghakaya" according to Jigme Lingpa. These include the five tathagathas as they appear to bodhisattvas in the sambhoghakaya buddhafield of Akanishtha Ghanavyuha. Jigme Lingpa explains that "Since this reflection is similar to the Teacher as he appears in his own self-experience, it is counted as sambhogakaya. And since it is perceived by beings to be guided, it is counted also as nirmanakaya. Thus it has a status that is half nirmanakaya and half sambhogakaya (phyed sprul longs sku’i gnos)."[11]

    Supreme nirmanakaya (Skt. uttamanirmāṇakāya; Tib. མཆོག་གི་སྤྲུལ་སྐུ་, Wyl. mchog gi sprul sku), such as Shakyamuni Buddha who displayed the twelve deeds and the major and minor marks of a Buddha. Supreme nirmanakayas also have numerous secondary emanations, and these may be quite varied. For example, Jigme Lingpa states that "in the various realms of the gods, they appear as their respective Lords (Brahma, Indra, Vishnu, and so on)." They may also appear as Chakravartins, as animals in the animal realm (a lion etc) and so on.[12] These secondary emanations also teach in numerous varied ways, for example, in one realm called "Incense-All-Amassed", these emanations teach through scent and smell, on other realms they teach through dreams.[13]

    Diverse nirmanakaya (Wyl. sna tshogs sprul pa), these nirmanakayas manifest in numerous ways and forms to help sentient beings in any way possible, these may even include seemingly inanimate objects like boats or bridges. There are many forms and types of these, and can include:[14]

        Born or animate diversified nirmanakayas (Skt. janmanirmāṇakāya; Tib. སྐྱེ་བ་སྤྲུལ་སྐུ, Wyl. skye ba sprul sku) are the emanations of Buddhas who are born in the world in a natural way (womb, egg, etc) and guide sentient beings in various forms, like a king, a bodhisattva, and so on.

        Inanimate diversified nirmanakaya, inanimate emanations, like valleys, mountains, boats and bridges

        Artisan nirmanakayas (Skt. śilpanirmāṇakāya or śilpinnirmāṇakāya; Tib. བཟོ་བོ་སྤྲུལ་སྐུ་, Wyl. bzo bo sprul sku) the emanation which appears like an artist or artisan (or even as a work of art) in order to awaken beings




These don't seem to include as Blind Ass mentioned, making tulpas for personal reasons apart from guidance slanted. Perhaps all tulpas are instruments of guidance no matter our intentions. This would be the same as everything at all works for our guidance.


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Re: Tulpamancy vs Deity Yoga and Omnicyclion [Re: syncro] * 1
    #28465754 - 09/11/23 07:21 PM (4 months, 14 days ago)

Tulpamancers basically create an extra partition in their brain and install a second operating system there which they preprogram as something they need.

They create a copilot seat in their mind and define to the subconsious whih traits they'd like to combine.

Deity Yoga, Vodun/Voodoo and Omniyclion do something different, they create a copilot seat in their mental cockpit dedicated to their Deity, their Lwa, Devas. ancestor, The All-Encompassing One and assure that only the right spirit possesses them.

Omnicyclion rules out any other than the Highest from taking the invitation and work towards you as you work towards the One.


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Re: Tulpamancy vs Deity Yoga and Omnicyclion [Re: Asante] * 1
    #28465780 - 09/11/23 07:48 PM (4 months, 14 days ago)

Yes, that is a wonderful realization. I've been going with Shakti as tulpa, if tulpa. But we must meet it with something, therefore tulpa, if not using a lesser connotation I suppose, like tulpa could mean an elemental creation without the spirit, things of magic etc.

The way the Buddhists and you treat them are ace. But do we need to make deity as tulpa? It seems mind does that. Perhaps we share tulpas like egregores and archetypes.

I guess manifestations of Buddha, etc. are considered tulpas, in a sense, ignorance, but of the highest kind, the peaks of sattva.


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Re: Tulpamancy vs Deity Yoga and Omnicyclion [Re: syncro]
    #28467030 - 09/12/23 10:01 PM (4 months, 13 days ago)

Can it effect measurable, physical change, on request?


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Re: Tulpamancy vs Deity Yoga and Omnicyclion [Re: syncro] * 3
    #28467064 - 09/12/23 10:37 PM (4 months, 13 days ago)

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Is tulku Pali for tulpa?





The Pali word "Tulpa" is not the same as the tibetan word "Tulku". Tulku is the rebirth of
a master. Tulpa is a consciousness created being. One of the first things the bodhisattvas
trained was the strength of meditation, since that is an obvious consciousness power.
In a deep Jhana, they were able to recollect as many past lives as they wanted to. When
you do this, one of two things may happen: Your memory either becomes increasingly cellular,
or it ends when you were created as a Tulpa.


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Re: Tulpamancy vs Deity Yoga and Omnicyclion [Re: durian_2008]
    #28467093 - 09/12/23 11:46 PM (4 months, 13 days ago)

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Can it effect measurable, physical change, on request?



I think in context, all creative energy in the universe may be tulpa. As far as individually affecting matter in a supernormal way, I don't know but that mind affects ones own body. I think minds and mind things affect other minds certainly, supernormally as it were, inherent in nature.


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Re: Tulpamancy vs Deity Yoga and Omnicyclion [Re: syncro]
    #28467376 - 09/13/23 09:44 AM (4 months, 12 days ago)

According to the Christian worldview:
-- the angelic and demonic beings are given authority over places and forces of nature
-- a person's nature is known from the womb

Would a tulpa have to be created with a sense of purpose / raison d'être and story arc with discrete ending. For instance, if you were to create manga, or are a novelist, and you are developing a character.

Is it pre-existent, do you train it, or does it grow, independently, without the need for intelligent guidance?


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Re: Tulpamancy vs Deity Yoga and Omnicyclion [Re: durian_2008]
    #28467409 - 09/13/23 10:06 AM (4 months, 12 days ago)

It's more like a repressed and or expressed aspect of Oneself manifestly appearing as a so-called 'Other'.

All in all, though? It's Mind ~ through and through.


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Re: Tulpamancy vs Deity Yoga and Omnicyclion [Re: The Blind Ass]
    #28467430 - 09/13/23 10:20 AM (4 months, 12 days ago)

It's like a kaiju made of stress?

I felt that the Ted Talk was mostly about myths arising from the public consciousness. He doesn't actually say what it is, in depth.


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    #28467535 - 09/13/23 11:48 AM (4 months, 12 days ago)

Thought, as proposed it all has manifestation.


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Re: Tulpamancy vs Deity Yoga and Omnicyclion [Re: syncro]
    #28468127 - 09/13/23 08:46 PM (4 months, 12 days ago)

What are the role of demons in the shaping of man?

The gnostic text Hypostasis of the Archons talks about this.


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    #28468476 - 09/14/23 05:20 AM (4 months, 12 days ago)

Nice. It's not very long if this is all of it. http://gnosis.org/naghamm/hypostas.html

Man's gross natures are made by them, yet he is given the spirit. The authorities are weak in that.

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As incorruptibility looked down into the region of the waters, her image appeared in the waters; and the authorities of the darkness became enamored of her. But they could not lay hold of that image, which had appeared to them in the waters, because of their weakness – since beings that merely possess a soul cannot lay hold of those that possess a spirit – for they were from below, while it was from above. This is the reason why "incorruptibility looked down into the region (etc.)": so that, by the father's will, she might bring the entirety into union with the light.




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"There, I have taught you about the pattern of the rulers; and the matter in which it was expressed; and their parent; and their universe."

But I said, "Sir, am I also from their matter?"

"You, together with your offspring, are from the primeval father; from above, out of the imperishable light, their souls are come. Thus the authorities cannot approach them, because of the spirit of truth present within them; and all who have become acquainted with this way exist deathless in the midst of dying mankind. Still, that sown element will not become known now. Instead, after three generations it will come to be known, and it has freed them from the bondage of the authorities' error."

Then I said, "Sir, how much longer?"

He said to me, "Until the moment when the true man, within a modeled form, reveals the existence of the spirit of truth, which the father has sent.




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    #28468698 - 09/14/23 10:17 AM (4 months, 11 days ago)


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What are the role of demons in the shaping of man?

The gnostic text Hypostasis of the Archons talks about this.




I felt that it's the Bible, retold with sympathy for the Devil.


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    #28469404 - 09/14/23 11:02 PM (4 months, 11 days ago)

Interview with the vampire then?


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    #28469426 - 09/14/23 11:51 PM (4 months, 11 days ago)

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What are the role of demons in the shaping of man?

The gnostic text Hypostasis of the Archons talks about this.




What exactly are you on about? 
As in, referring to, or, ok - demons - meaning what?

I'm jw'ing where you're coming from when you say the word demon is all.

Afterall, we are on the shroomery - and so depending on whom is saying it, they may mean something different than what another might potentially think it is and or is not.  Capeesh?


eg. Things like :  Anger, hatred, delusion, illusion, ignorance, etc, etc - particularly wrt certain kinds or types of specific sets of natural desire and or some other range of human action/behavior?  Basically, The 7 Deadly Sins - that sort of thing, etc, etc?

More or less something like symbolically representative of the forces experience at play or that can exert influence upon a human being's experience, but as something from within themselves, and, as such - of, or part of, as in - one in the same nature as the human being experiencing it? 

eg. dharma-wise: kilesas, skandhas, effluents etc, etc.

If not then:

Can it be pointed out as a natural phenomenon occurring as part of spacetime could if when witnessed by several human beings at the same time? etc.

ie.  If a demon or demons randomly happened to be in a hypothetical room; one which we also just so happened to both be chilling in - all at the same time - could you single it/them out in a way so that I also could see it/them too?


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    #28469450 - 09/15/23 12:54 AM (4 months, 11 days ago)

Not me, only within, broad spectrum of higher and lower. While if they take on meaning of creative forces, then in a sense they are at least implied as subtle hands of our gross creation. The psychic knots, ...

As for entities and things within, I think much is imagination, yet there are times, I don't know - when would we call them an elemental or astral, or spirit?


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    #28470084 - 09/15/23 01:50 PM (4 months, 10 days ago)

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What are the role of demons in the shaping of man?

The gnostic text Hypostasis of the Archons talks about this.



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durian_2008 said:
I felt that it's the Bible, retold with sympathy for the Devil.




To me, this implies that he's the revolutionary who tells us how to say 'no'.

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Interview with the vampire then?




:peace: I've seen the movie but don't understand your intended meaning.


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    #28470190 - 09/15/23 03:16 PM (4 months, 10 days ago)

I think of the different personas we see, in consciousness experiments, in terms of a graphical user interface, with humanoid features.



I feel that tulpamancers, incorporating the sensitivities of modernism and the Enlightenment, are playing the role of Lucifer.

They are not creating some inconsiderate form of life, that barely moves, not creating some labor post to fill by a servitor, but they intend to create a conscious mind, with a will of it's own.


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    #28472508 - 09/17/23 12:41 PM (4 months, 8 days ago)

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What are the role of demons in the shaping of man?

The gnostic text Hypostasis of the Archons talks about this.



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Hypostasis
shared existence of spiritual or corporal entities



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The substance, essence, or underlying reality.
Any of the persons of the Trinity.
The essential person of Jesus in which his human and divine natures are united.





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The most famous of all Zhuangzi stories—"Zhuang Zhou Dreams of Being a Butterfly"—appears at the end of the second chapter, "On the Equality of Things".

        Once, Zhuang Zhou dreamed he was a butterfly, a butterfly flitting and fluttering about, happy with himself and doing as he pleased. He didn't know that he was Zhuang Zhou.

        Suddenly he woke up and there he was, solid and unmistakable Zhuang Zhou. But he didn't know if he was Zhuang Zhou who had dreamt he was a butterfly, or a butterfly dreaming that he was Zhuang Zhou. Between Zhuang Zhou and the butterfly there must be some distinction! This is called the Transformation of Things.
    — Zhuangzi, chapter 2 (Watson translation)




A solution is offered to what appears to be a cyclical paradox.

It is argued that there are different orders of life in the netherworld.

This solution places Zhuang Zhou (aka Zhuangzi) in the role of caterpillar, in the nascent role, and the butterfly as emergent. He is hinting at distinction and transformation.

A comparable paradox is said in relation to mankind with elementals and fallen angels, in which it is asked, who made who.

Did it make humankind, or did humankind make it --


Some of the characters in my dreams are definitely taking on the appearance of things I had thought about during the daytime. But, it is argued by some philosophers that intellegences like our own are only embodied by the trappings of outward appearances. For instance, anything with any kind of body, anywhere, the caterpillar, butterfly, man, tulpa, alien, or silly cartoon character is assumed by some to have a preexistent, immortal soul, mainly defined by whatever it is feeling at the present moment.

In some interpretations of Zhuangzi, all that actually existed was his happiness.

This implies that such beings should be made and developed with a happy purpose.

Except, in what appear to be parallel dimensions, there is a very broad range of utilitarian things to do, no more or less than in our sciences and industries, like in ordinary reality.


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