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Re: The Psychology of Samadhi - Patanjali's Eight Limbs of Yoga [Re: syncro] * 1
    #28443649 - 08/23/23 09:40 AM (5 months, 3 days ago)

I’ve never taken to meditation. Surely not find sitting much any the time comfortable at all. A therapeutic recline is so very relaxing; legs inclined, back laying at angle. I laugh to think of the term. A therapeutic resting position, well, why not sit in that posture all the time when go to get weight off feet?

Cat naps I’ve learned over the years. Drugs taught me them.  As to peak experiences with tryptamines, phenethylamines and anesthetics, a moment comes when a need to let oneself off onto the absorbing climax.  Those experiences began to bring about the same feeling on days of no doses. A sweeping wind of tiredness quickly having one recline resting legs and falling into a nap. Only to wake immediately when seem to fall under that rug of sleep. A tryptamine like buzz give body tingles all throughout and a shift in minds view seems as turning onto to a drug as perception so very taken from that of which was previously.

Find humor to seeing a meditation be best done suckling a binky.


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Re: The Psychology of Samadhi - Patanjali's Eight Limbs of Yoga [Re: WhoManBeing] * 1
    #28443667 - 08/23/23 09:58 AM (5 months, 3 days ago)

I have not been good at sitting, but there is something about sitting on the floor that optimizes, and one learns about their body to be able sit, strengthening, stretching, and going through the pains likely only forced by group setting that hopefully carries over.

But it doesn't matter. Tilopa says recline like hollow bamboo.


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Re: The Psychology of Samadhi - Patanjali's Eight Limbs of Yoga [Re: syncro] * 1
    #28443891 - 08/23/23 01:44 PM (5 months, 3 days ago)

That sounds awesome and very similar indeed. Love the fact you guys play your own instruments and sing, must be amazing, haven't experienced that here yet since they usually use a playlist from Spotify.

The sessions here usually consist of dancing, followed with either silent or active meditations, followed by inquires/sharings, then either breathing exercises or intimate "sense exercises" alone or with a person or persons (depending on the practice), in between or after the philosophy behind it is explained in detail.

As you know it can be very intense! I remember the first time I was so surprised a couple of simple exercises could have that same euphoric effect and feeling of tryptamines and open me up so completely.

I'll post some more quotes in the future in the usual place with regards to Shaiva tantra and Vajrayana tantra. Should be interesting.

What are the primary writings of Mahapurusha yoga? Is there any reading material online?

Glad to read you connected some of your dots and samskara, those bloody Buddhists definitions :lol:

That gave me a good chuckle reading those posts and its progress/process!


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Re: The Psychology of Samadhi - Patanjali's Eight Limbs of Yoga [Re: WhoManBeing]
    #28443920 - 08/23/23 02:06 PM (5 months, 3 days ago)

A lot of people relate meditating to sitting in a certain posture. While that is probably the most popular, it's absolutely not a requirement for meditation.

There's loads of other different meditation techniques, from walking, dancing, singing, lying down, visualization, prayer, yoga, breathe, movement, the list goes on.

Basically anything can be made into a meditation exercise, from sports, work, walking, etc. Simplest would be to be aware of your senses including your thoughts and surroundings. Focus on the tip of your nose, or the spot between your eyes. If your senses/thoughts drift off and you become aware of that, just shift your attention back to the spot. You can also count your out breaths, which we use in Zen a lot with newcomers. Find out what you're most comfortable with, and go with that, you can always combine techniques, or switch them up.

A tryptamine like buzz you're describing with body tingling can be easily replicated with breathing techniques.


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Re: The Psychology of Samadhi - Patanjali's Eight Limbs of Yoga [Re: spinvis] * 1
    #28443975 - 08/23/23 02:40 PM (5 months, 3 days ago)

"What are the primary writings of Mahapurusha yoga? Is there any reading material online?"

That comes from a simple mantra given in a progressive stage to accompany other practice, essentially of Mahapurusha.

It has such profound effect over time the term sticks with me.


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Re: The Psychology of Samadhi - Patanjali's Eight Limbs of Yoga [Re: syncro] * 2
    #28444120 - 08/23/23 04:39 PM (5 months, 2 days ago)

It’s all a teacher student, that of what communicate in detail to action. Farther from shared action, definitions get very loose when spoken outside those sharing act.


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Re: The Psychology of Samadhi - Patanjali's Eight Limbs of Yoga [Re: syncro] * 1
    #28446328 - 08/25/23 11:35 AM (5 months, 1 day ago)

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syncro said:
I don't like talking about the shadow and such but there have been some synchronicities or connections. I was considering how to say what is the shadow experience, since writing about it I thought, I don't even know what it is, a fading memory in the grosser aspects.

Then I thought of it being a story which connected to the attention in the other thread to Samskara, which in the second meaning also had it as a story, and rite of passage.

So it came together also seen as a part of ascension within, the shadow is a story and a rite of passage in ascension, and fit very well with a big whopping Samskara.

I also associated it with the three corpses in Daoism which I have thought correlate well with the psychic knots, granthis.




Rereading this, your post reminded me of
Carl Jung - Psychology and Religion: West and East. P. 131;
Quote:

Everyone carries a shadow…and the less it is embodied in the individual’s conscious life, the blacker and denser it is.




It's good to embrace and explore your shadow, since it's part of you and the whole.

Robert Augustus Masters;
Quote:

There are negative things that we do with our emotions, but our emotions themselves are neither negative nor positive. They simply are.




:heart:


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Re: The Psychology of Samadhi - Patanjali's Eight Limbs of Yoga [Re: spinvis] * 1
    #28446352 - 08/25/23 12:03 PM (5 months, 1 day ago)

My thought went back to the psychic knots, referring to a previous; they are located at the muladhara in the pelvis region, and at the heart, and at the third eye. This is a relief in a sense as I visualize the journey making three, and not seven like the chakras, though they are in it.


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Re: The Psychology of Samadhi - Patanjali's Eight Limbs of Yoga [Re: syncro] * 1
    #28446353 - 08/25/23 12:09 PM (5 months, 1 day ago)

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Everyone carries a shadow…and the less it is embodied in the individual’s conscious life, the blacker and denser it is.




Interesting thinking how that can manifest, meaning how does shadow manifest consciously and responsibly?


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Re: The Psychology of Samadhi - Patanjali's Eight Limbs of Yoga [Re: syncro] * 1
    #28446361 - 08/25/23 12:21 PM (5 months, 1 day ago)

By exploring your shadow in a healthy manner, get to know it fully, so you can embrace it, instead of trying to push it away, trying to resist and ignore it, since it will keep rearing it's ugly head.

Was coincidentally reading this the other day, which fits. He has written some books specifically on this subject such as 'Bringing Your Shadow Out of the Dark: Breaking Free from the Hidden Forces That Drive You'

Robert Augustus Masters;
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To transcend something is to go beyond it to the point of ceasing to identify with it, so that it becomes an object of our awareness. When this process is healthy, what’s been transcended is not excluded from our being (any more than clouds are excluded from the sky) but rather is “repositioned” and related to in ways that serve our well-being. When transcendence is unhealthy, what has been transcended is excluded from our being, resulting in escapism and disconnection. Where healthy transcendence embraces what’s been transcended, unhealthy transcendence avoids it, making a spiritual virtue out of rising above whatever is deemed “lower” or “darker” elements of our nature. This is dissociation disguised in holy drag.




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Re: The Psychology of Samadhi - Patanjali's Eight Limbs of Yoga [Re: syncro] * 1
    #28455994 - 09/02/23 12:39 PM (4 months, 24 days ago)

Poem time! :crankey:

When It touches the heart, one knows of this,
when's said the body's an abode of bliss.

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Looking at this again, we can wonder if we have attained some level of samadhi, and depending on source, there are lower levels of samadhi that are fairly easily experienced. But as more than an illustration, the chart can perhaps be seen as a rough indicator, relating samadhi to the level of thoughts quelled in practice, etc.




Recalling what is meant by alambana.

Yogapedia
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Alambana is a complex concept that has different interpretations in different schools of thought. Vedic philosophy divides alambana into two types: asraya and visaya. It also uses the term to mean “pillar of strength,” referring to God. When this alambana is contemplated, it provides the support or foundation for the mind to travel toward God.

In contrast, Buddhist philosophy sees alambana as a cause or object-condition of knowledge and mental fluctuations. The term can be used to describe the objective base of consciousness. It further divides alambana into three categories, according to their motivations:

    Sattva-alambana
    Dharma-alambana
    Analambana




asraya and visaya
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Ālambana may further be divided into asraya and visaya, Radha is asraya and Krishna is visaya; Radha, as the devotee, experienced greater pleasure than Krishna who remained the object of her veneration.[2] Visaya is the potential object of a perceptual consciousness, ālambana is the objective basis which can even be the cause of perceptual or cognition support for a perceptual error.[3] The Nyaya school does not consider the object in front to be the ālambana of the illusory cognition but rather the interfering external element with its own characteristics.[4] The best ālambana for the upasana (worship) of Brahman is Om.[5]




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Sattvālambana (सत्त्वालम्बन) refers to “that [loving-kindness] which has beings as object” and represents of the three types of Maitrī (“loving-kindness”), according to the 2nd century Mahāprajñāpāramitāśāstra chapter 32.—Accordingly, “the mind of loving-kindness (maitrī-citta) of which we have just spoken is that which has beings as object (sattvālambana). It is found mainly among worldly people practicing the trances or in adepts on the path of practice (śaikṣa) who have not yet destroyed the impurities”.




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Kavyashastra (science of poetry)

Ālambana (आलम्बन) or Ālambanavibhāva refers to “substantial excitant” and represents one of the two types of  vibhāva (excitants) according to Mammaṭa.—Basing upon which the basic feeling rati etc. are originated, that is called ālambana-vibhāva. In fact the dramatic personae like Duṣyanta and Śakuntala etc. are considred as ālambana-vibhāva respectively.




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Yoga (school of philosophy)

Ālambana (आलम्बन) refers to a “supporting object” (like the empty sky), according to the the Amanaska Yoga treatise dealing with meditation, absorption, yogic powers and liberation.—Accordingly, as Īśvara says to Vāmadeva: “[...] The conquest of the breath can be achieved by means of [reciting] the three types of Om and by various [Haṭhayogic] mudrās, as well as meditation on a fiery light [or meditation] on a supporting object (ālambana) [like] the empty sky [which are done] in the lotus of the inner space [of the heart]. [However,] having abandoned all this [because it is] situated in the body [and therefore limited], and having thought it to be a delusion of the mind, the wise should practise the no-mind state, which is unique, beyond the body and indescribable. [...]”.




The latter would be presumably Analambana, "that [loving-kindness] which has no object" I'm mixing Yoga and Buddhism here.


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Re: The Psychology of Samadhi - Patanjali's Eight Limbs of Yoga [Re: syncro] * 1
    #28460409 - 09/06/23 09:31 AM (4 months, 20 days ago)

You really took your time and went deep into it, that's awesome too see and read! Remember that they are pointing at something that's always present, beyond the concepts, teachers and the teachings. Like for example in Shaiva Tantra, Shiva is the underlying reality, always present, awareness at rest, while Shakti is the illusionary dance that's actively happening that you're a part of. Since that example is dualistic in nature, the non-dual view is that all is Shiva. Practice in Tantra is to awaken the awareness that's at rest, Shiva, in yourself, to forget about it afterwards, and serve the rest of creation through action. The same principle can be said about Sankara and his teachings:

Ātmabodha – The Fruits of Self-Knowledge – Verse 46;
Quote:

Enlightened yogis see
the entire world in themselves
and see everything as non-separate from atma,
with the eye of knowledge.


Commentary by Swami Tadatmananda: Those who are enlightened experience duality like everyone else. But, they aren't misled by their experiences, they know the underlying reality because of which everything exists to be non-dual Brahman. Like clay is the underlying reality because of which many pots exists.



Also if it would be something that's attained, it can be lost again, and this would mean that it's something that's apart and seperate from you. This ain't the case, it's always present, you're a part of it, have been and always will be, but most are unaware of it.

Chogyam Trungpa;
Quote:

Enlightenment is permanent because we have not produced it; we have merely discovered it.



The eight limbs, ten ox herding pictures, and the nine mental abiding, like the practices in Shaiva Tantra, are a gradual approach in steps, each step making you aware of what's beyond yourself, the teacher, the words and concepts.

There's generally considered to be two different teachers/teachings/students, the gradual and the sudden/immediate. But they both have the same outcome.

Also to quell (To put down forcibly; suppress. To pacify; quiet.) would be a rather violent way of going about it and not advisable. It's yourself you're talking about, so let everything flow freely like it's supposed to, and by means of acceptance, compassion, going through it, and it comes to rest by itself eventually.

Hui-Neng;
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When our mind works freely without any hindrance, and is at liberty to 'come' or to 'go', we attain Samadhi of Prajna, or liberation. Such a state is called the function of 'thoughtlessness'. But to refrain from thinking of anything, so that all thoughts are suppressed, is to be Dharma-ridden, and this is an erroneous view.



So in general, it is clear that it's very difficult for most to move beyond the words and concepts. Some might have a grasp of it what this all might mean intellectually, but they'll focus for example on what they personally experience with the senses in a fleeting moment, but as soon as they start to describe their sensual experience, the moment is already gone and it's changed forever, since it's forever flowing and transforming, so they'll keep your attention pinned on them with beautiful words to tickle the ears, which instead should be on yourself, your actions and practices.

Amongst White Clouds - Unnamed Chinese Hermit;
Quote:

ten thousand things
all in this breath
grasping hold of emptiness
there’s really nothing to say.



Ah well, don't take my rambling for it, I'm just stringing concepts together, become the practice and teachings yourself instead.

Matsuo Basho - Collected Works of Basho and the Haikuists - Haiku by Matsuo Basho;
Quote:

an old pond
a frog jumps into
the sound of water



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Re: The Psychology of Samadhi - Patanjali's Eight Limbs of Yoga [Re: spinvis] * 1
    #28463647 - 09/09/23 07:02 PM (4 months, 16 days ago)

In a friendly way, considering the apparent division between an attributeless, call it tathata, suchness, and say, the bearded lady in the sky, Fredrickananda, Fredericka of The Bliss -

Both are ideas. Consider being tathata in whatever way it happens. It is an idea. It may become without concept in words, so it becomes something like sensation, wordless, and then perhaps morphs into whatever immersion or satori we like to describe or consider indescribable, or it's just Is-ness, of everything or of void, anything in between.

Now, Fredericka is also an idea, a picture, a person of qualities. Her beard may be exquisite. Her weapons are considered identical with her name, bliss, and the mind clearing power of bliss, such grace, etc. Her name and person in all the qualities also represent the totality of everything in this universe and beyond.

This is not different than the idea of tathata as there are steps taken from remembering tathata inititally, frog, pond, plop! From Fredericka of the Bliss, to various qualities to the idea of the absolute, an initial phase of concentration which also happens with tathata - it is all some form of concentration or mind manipulation or control. Some making it to either being without concept, or having the rider of tathata, or an interference of frequency, divinity, which means absolute and without concreteness - that being the same as the thought process of tathata! Or the action of going or letting go into witnessing, for example, letting go at all.

So there is no significant difference in process and effect between tathata, frogplop, and Fredericka, that is, if tathata, the attributeless, is mentioned or considered in any way whatsoever.


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    #28463687 - 09/09/23 07:40 PM (4 months, 16 days ago)

The reason I say in a friendly way is that although you, spinvis, are friendly, some of whom you quote got me going like, oh yeah, put 'em up! :lol:


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Re: The Psychology of Samadhi - Patanjali's Eight Limbs of Yoga [Re: syncro] * 1
    #28465045 - 09/11/23 05:10 AM (4 months, 15 days ago)

I enjoyed reading that, and I see where you are going with it, so let's explore it further, with a different kind of idea if you will. :tongue2:

First off, I'm not seeing a question here, more of an idea on other ideas. Then why don't we ask ourselves what's an idea and where does it come from? An idea is and comes from the accumulated personal knowledge of an individual. And where does that knowledge come from? From our personal past, which is a result of our personal conditioning and indoctrination that we've received during our lives, based on our personal environment.

Since that's the case, we can already see that statements being made (wether it's the dwarf lady with the beard, Buddha, suchness, the tathata, Shiva, etc etc) are false in the sense that what it tries to grasp with words is completely biased towards a certain individuals past, and their conditioning and indoctrination.

I'm skipping letting go and the mind (for now) and come to the witness, witnessing means there's an observer. But what is the observer? It's also the exact same past, the accumulated personal knowledge of an individual.

So then what? Can you actually look without the observer? Without any ideas? Without any concepts? Without any of the past interfering whatsoever?

Yes, you can! But not by concentrating, effort, manipulation, or control. (I'm not saying that these practices aren't filling a purpose for beginners, or certain people with anxiety for example, breath control can be very helpful. Learning to focus for others. Creating awareness for some others. Etc.)

But once you see through this and what it actually all is, that it are just more ideas that somebody created, we're going somewhere!


So for the following to wrap it up I'll use a couple of ideas and concepts originating from Buddhism, haha the irony :lol:! It encapsulates all this.

In Buddhist philosophy there's something called the three marks of existence, namely aniccā (impermanence), dukkha (commonly translated as "suffering", "unsatisfactory," "unease"), and anattā (without a lasting essence).

It seems like they're three separate things, but they're actually not. The three marks of existence are also related to the five aggregates, and all are related to the non-self. (Don't mistake the non-self for a nihilistic idea or concept, this is not what's meant!)

Let's look closer in this example at anattā, in combination with thoughts. There are certain thoughts that pop up and stick (meaning they'll trigger something in you, the observer, that you don't agree with, following in judgement, control, manipulation, concentration, and therefore they have a lasting essence, consuming a huge amount of effort) to you, and there are certain thoughts that don't stick and they'll just move on (without any effort, without a lasting essence). Now, why do certain thoughts stick and others don't? Why, if you for example feel pain, if you exert effort to try and fight, manipulate, control it, it gets worse and worse and worse, but if you actually "go into" the pain, completely accept it and let it be, it becomes much more manageable?

The same principle can be applied to for example 'the quotes that gets you going like, oh yeah, put 'em up!' (I enjoy putting up paradoxical and going against the status quo quotes, since they point at something that otherwise is overlooked :lol:.)

So finally we come back to letting go, letting go can only come about by complete and full acceptance of what is, if there's no acceptance, nothing will be let go. If nothing is let go, it'll consume huge amounts of effort, control, concentration, and manipulation to maintain.


So yeah, paradoxes are fun stuff to explore! But don't take it from me, discover yourself!

I largely skipped the concept/idea of the mind on purpose, since that can be a whole thread on its own, rightfully so.

And since you get going on quotes:
:lol:
Zen Master Dae-Ju;
Quote:

One day, a Sutra Master came and he questioned Zen Master Dae-Ju. “I understand that you have attained Satori. What is Zen?'”

Dae-Ju said, “Zen is very easy. It is not difficult at all. When I am hungry, I eat; when I am tired, I sleep.”

The Sutra Master said, “This is doing the same as all people do. Attaining satori [Zen enlightenment] and not attaining are then the same.”

“No, no, people on the outside and on the inside are different.'”

The Sutra Master said, “When I am hungry, I eat. When I am tired, I sleep. Why is the outside different from the inside?”

Dae-Ju said, “When people are hungry, they eat. Only the outside, the body, is eating. On the inside, they are thinking, and they have desire for money, fame, sex, food, and they feel anger. And so when they are tired, because of these wants, they do not sleep. So, the outside and the inside are different. But when I am hungry, I only eat. When I am tired, I only sleep. I have no thinking, and so I have no inside and no outside.”


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Re: The Psychology of Samadhi - Patanjali's Eight Limbs of Yoga [Re: spinvis] * 1
    #28467173 - 09/13/23 04:25 AM (4 months, 13 days ago)

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Can you actually look without the observer? Without any ideas? Without any concepts? Without any of the past interfering whatsoever?

Yes, you can! But not by concentrating, effort, manipulation, or control.




"3.3 When only the essence of that object, place, or point shines forth in the mind, as if devoid even of its own form, that state of deep absorption is called deep concentration or samadhi, which is the eighth rung."

Yoga Sutras

alambana be one with that stuff

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    #28467179 - 09/13/23 04:45 AM (4 months, 13 days ago)

Too long since looking at these.

Quote:

Samyama is the finer tool (Yoga Sutras 3.4-3.6)

3.4 The three processes of dharana, dhyana, and samadhi, when taken together on the same object, place or point is called samyama.

3.5 Through the mastery of that three-part process of samyama, the light of knowledge, transcendental insight, or higher consciousness (prajna) dawns, illumines, flashes, or is visible.

3.6 That three-part process of samyama is gradually applied to the finer planes, states, or stages of practice.



:notsureif: The last one bugs me.


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    #28467383 - 09/13/23 09:49 AM (4 months, 13 days ago)

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The last one bugs me.




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    #28467481 - 09/13/23 11:07 AM (4 months, 13 days ago)

The only difference in applications of samyama would be in object, I thought. Why and where do we need to do some different samyama? In 3.3 above, the object (of concentration) is essentially no object.

Always a different application. All good. Always the same application.


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    #28468548 - 09/14/23 07:05 AM (4 months, 12 days ago)

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syncro said:
"3.3 When only the essence of that object, place, or point shines forth in the mind, as if devoid even of its own form, that state of deep absorption is called deep concentration or samadhi, which is the eighth rung."

Yoga Sutras

alambana be one with that stuff

:no::yes::awesomenod::rockon:






Quote:

syncro said:
Too long since looking at these.

Quote:

Samyama is the finer tool (Yoga Sutras 3.4-3.6)

3.4 The three processes of dharana, dhyana, and samadhi, when taken together on the same object, place or point is called samyama.

3.5 Through the mastery of that three-part process of samyama, the light of knowledge, transcendental insight, or higher consciousness (prajna) dawns, illumines, flashes, or is visible.

3.6 That three-part process of samyama is gradually applied to the finer planes, states, or stages of practice.



:notsureif: The last one bugs me.



Here is a different translation from the Yoga Sutras chapter 3 (made by I. K. Taimni and Iqbal Kishen), which might help to show it in a different angle/light, but also that what it describes are one of the gradual steps or stages within the Yoga practice used for realization.
Quote:

1. Concentration is the confining of the mind within a limited mental area (object of concentration).

2. Uninterrupted flow (of the mind) towards the object (chosen for meditation) is contemplation.

3. The same (contemplation) when there is consciousness only of the object of meditation and not of itself (the mind) is Samādhi.

4. The three taken together constitute Saṃyama.

5. By mastering it (Saṃyama) the light of the higher consciousness.

6. Its (of Saṃyama) use by stages.



Anyway, let me qoute from an often overlooked and mostly unknown (weirdly enough) Gita with regards to meditation/concentration/any action, including its commentary. It's a single verse taken from 'The Ashtavakra Gita', one of the clearest Hindu/Vedanta texts on non-duality in my opinion.

Ramesh S. Balsekar - A Duet of One: The Ashtavakra Gita Dialogue;
Quote:

“You are unattached, actionless, self-effulgent, without blemish. This indeed is your bondage, that you practice meditation.” (15)

Commentary: When Ashtavakra says in verse 15 that practicing meditation is the very bondage from which liberation is sought, the meaning is clear that such meditation presupposes the deliberate action of the ego as the meditator, practicing meditation, with the specific intention of realizing something. And whatever the ego does is creating further cords of bondage. The point is simple. The basic Truth is that the true nature of all sentient beings is pure Consciousness [Awareness] which is the substance of all phenomenal appearances. If this is accepted—and it must be—then anyone wanting to “do” something, in order to “become” enlightened, is surely turning his back on the basic Truth. Any positive action in order to become enlightened presupposes the existence of an individual entity whereas “enlightenment” is itself the state in which no separate individual can exist. It is for this reason that Ashtavakra calls the “practicing of meditation” the very bondage from which liberation is sought. In other words, it is only non-volitional motiveless functioning that can lead to the awakening to enlightenment. Any sort of intentional action by way of discipline or practice would necessarily be an insurmountable obstacle to such awakening.



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Edited by spinvis (09/14/23 07:06 AM)


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