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Consistently weak mushrooms
    #28463593 - 09/09/23 06:13 PM (1 year, 4 months ago)

Hello all,

I have been attempting to grow shroomies for awhile now, just completed my third run. I have been on this site lurking for a few years, read countless posts over that time. My issue is each time I have grown mine, they have been very weak. I have sourced spores from multiple legitimate places. I followed guides on here, especially RR’s keen insights.

Every step in the process I followed to a T, which I have been trying PF Tek. I used the appropriate jar prep, inoculation method, SGFC, dehydrator, the whole nine yards. Admittedly my first run had a fairly high contam rate, so I kind of don’t count that, but each of my last two attempts have had low contamination rates, but every single time my mushrooms are weak. I have personally tried the shrooms probably 7-8 times total over the 3 runs, and each “trip” was barely felt. My latest time I ate 2.5 g dried, but only felt like I was a little high in a sense. Like I had smoked a little bud.

I gave myself a tolerance break between different times eating them. The mushrooms I ate did not appear in any way to have contamination. The spores I got definitely are the right species, because I did feel something, so it’s not like I was sold un-magic spores lol.

Does anyone have any thoughts on why this is consistently failing for me? I understand genetics and the randomness of the process pkay a role, but at this point I have to imagine I should have had at least some success by now. I inoculated between 40-100 jars in each of the 3 runs also.

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Re: Consistently weak mushrooms [Re: GeorgeWashington33] * 1
    #28463646 - 09/09/23 06:55 PM (1 year, 4 months ago)

Just a shot in the dark, but are you on any psychiatric meds? They can supposedly greatly diminish the effects.


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Re: Consistently weak mushrooms [Re: AspectOfTheCreator]
    #28463648 - 09/09/23 07:02 PM (1 year, 4 months ago)

I do not take any psychiatric meds.

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Re: Consistently weak mushrooms [Re: GeorgeWashington33]
    #28463653 - 09/09/23 07:07 PM (1 year, 4 months ago)

Idk then. Try penis envy?


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Re: Consistently weak mushrooms [Re: GeorgeWashington33] * 1
    #28463654 - 09/09/23 07:08 PM (1 year, 4 months ago)

Another shot in the dark. How did you dry and store them? How much did you consume? I have had weak batches and I just increase the dose. Although it takes several tries to get the dose correct. Proceed with caution since a couple of times I increased the dose a bit too much.

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Re: Consistently weak mushrooms [Re: VP123]
    #28463657 - 09/09/23 07:11 PM (1 year, 4 months ago)

Thats another good point. If theyre not completely dried the dose/potency will be diluted by the extra water weight.


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Re: Consistently weak mushrooms [Re: AspectOfTheCreator]
    #28463661 - 09/09/23 07:18 PM (1 year, 4 months ago)

I bought an excalibur dehydrator. I dried on whatever the max temperature is, 160? Anyone think that’s too high? I dried for 24 hours they were fully dry. I thought I remember reading that psilocybin doesn’t begin breaking down until much higher temps though. In terms of storage, this latest time I ate them imnediately. Previous times I kept them in a baggie in a drawer or in a jar another time. Each time kept out of sun/excessive heat

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Re: Consistently weak mushrooms [Re: GeorgeWashington33] * 1
    #28463664 - 09/09/23 07:22 PM (1 year, 4 months ago)

Sounds good. Maybe you just have a high constitution. Try taking more.


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Re: Consistently weak mushrooms [Re: AspectOfTheCreator] * 1
    #28463671 - 09/09/23 07:27 PM (1 year, 4 months ago)

I was going to ask if anybody else has tried them with the same results? I can eat a fuck ton and still drive after months and months of not having any. Tea,dried or fresh, it doesn't matter.


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Re: Consistently weak mushrooms [Re: AspectOfTheCreator]
    #28463672 - 09/09/23 07:28 PM (1 year, 4 months ago)

Check out this thread.

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Re: Consistently weak mushrooms [Re: Crackatoa]
    #28463674 - 09/09/23 07:31 PM (1 year, 4 months ago)

Stomach disease can also be an issue.  My buddy had a bad H pylori infection and now can’t get high on THC edibles or mush. :sad:

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Re: Consistently weak mushrooms [Re: Mycolorado]
    #28463678 - 09/09/23 07:33 PM (1 year, 4 months ago)

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Stomach disease can also be an issue.  My buddy had a bad H pylori infection and now can’t get high on THC edibles or mush. :sad:




That's kind of strange.  Maybe he can boof some tea.

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Re: Consistently weak mushrooms [Re: Crackatoa]
    #28463682 - 09/09/23 07:37 PM (1 year, 4 months ago)

It takes me at least 3g of most varieties to get more than the warm & fuzzies from them while my friends are tripping balls from the same amount.  Eat more next time.

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Re: Consistently weak mushrooms [Re: Kinoko314]
    #28463685 - 09/09/23 07:39 PM (1 year, 4 months ago)

I take famotidine for heartburn. I hadn’t considered that as a possibility since it didn’t seem likely. I have not eaten any aside from my own recently, but I have previously, and 2.5g would certainly be enough for me to have a decent trip

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Re: Consistently weak mushrooms [Re: GeorgeWashington33] * 1
    #28463694 - 09/09/23 07:48 PM (1 year, 4 months ago)

I take famotidine as well (daily) and it doesn’t affect anything in my case.

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Re: Consistently weak mushrooms [Re: GeorgeWashington33]
    #28463701 - 09/09/23 07:56 PM (1 year, 4 months ago)

It seems you are doing everything right.

Tl;dr perhaps you just need more. Some people do.

What do others experience with your shrooms? Getting their take would help establish the potency of the mushrooms themselves.

How are you consuming the dried mushrooms? If you are eating them straight I wonder if the famotidine is reducing your stomach acid to a level insufficient for conversion of psilocybin to psilocin. If so, consider using Lemon Tek next time.

Have you tried eating fresh mushrooms? Fresh fruits or tea from freshies is pretty good too.

* I saw mycolorado’s reply. Maybe the medication has no impact on you either.

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Re: Consistently weak mushrooms [Re: DharmaForKarma]
    #28463706 - 09/09/23 08:00 PM (1 year, 4 months ago)

Yeah, would definitely help to get some other bioassays done.

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Re: Consistently weak mushrooms [Re: Mycolorado]
    #28463711 - 09/09/23 08:07 PM (1 year, 4 months ago)

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Yeah, would definitely help to get some other bioassays done.




Right!

OP you’ve made a considerable investment of time. Have you thought about getting your crops tested? If you are not aware there are labs popping up that will rigorously analyze samples. I’ve used Altitude Consulting in Denver. (No affiliation) Their web site has the details but you can mail the sample(s) to them.

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Re: Consistently weak mushrooms [Re: DharmaForKarma]
    #28463751 - 09/09/23 08:42 PM (1 year, 4 months ago)

It has been extremely disappointing given the time and money I’ve put into it. At this point I’m considering this a failed endeavor and moving on. There’s other ways to make money and cheaper ways to get shrooms. I’m about $2k in the hole from the equipment, materials and spores and that doesn’t even account for my time :frown:  time to move on I suppose can’t afford any more losses

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Re: Consistently weak mushrooms [Re: GeorgeWashington33]
    #28463765 - 09/09/23 08:58 PM (1 year, 4 months ago)

Try semps or go for pans since you already have equipment. Semps can be grown on coir if poo is a breaking point. Have you tried APE?


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Re: Consistently weak mushrooms [Re: GeorgeWashington33]
    #28463767 - 09/09/23 09:01 PM (1 year, 4 months ago)

Don't give up. Raise some gourmet shrooms, sell them at a farmers market to recoup your investment. Then try psilocybin shrooms again


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Re: Consistently weak mushrooms [Re: Vulcan_dikc]
    #28463792 - 09/09/23 09:22 PM (1 year, 4 months ago)

OP, are other people enjoying your mushrooms?

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Re: Consistently weak mushrooms [Re: DharmaForKarma]
    #28463937 - 09/10/23 12:25 AM (1 year, 4 months ago)

How did you spend 2k running pf tek?!?!


If other people don’t feel anything either then it’s just bad luck with genetics. All you can do is go back to spore. The good news is super weak shrooms are very rare.


Like has been said, some people just need more. I know a couple guys who have to take 7-10g+ for a light trip while I’ll be full blown off 1.5g of the same shrooms.


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Re: Consistently weak mushrooms [Re: A.k.a] * 1
    #28464025 - 09/10/23 06:19 AM (1 year, 4 months ago)

Have you bought shrooms or got them elsewhere before and got effects? or LSD?

Have you confirmed your scales is correct, you can cross check against coins.

US coins

penny: 2.500 grams
nickle: 5.000 grams
dime: 2.268 grams
quarter: 5.670 grams
half dollar: 11.340 grams
gold doller: 8.1 grams



For the europeans...
EUR 2 Weight (g): 8.50
EUR 1 Weight (g): 7.50
50 cent Weight (g): 7.80
20 cent Weight (g): 5.74
10 cent Weight (g): 4.10
5 cent Weight (g): 3.92
2 cent Weight (g): 3.06
1 cent Weight (g): 2.30

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Re: Consistently weak mushrooms [Re: blackout]
    #28464052 - 09/10/23 07:17 AM (1 year, 4 months ago)

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Have you confirmed your scales is correct, you can cross check against coins.

US coins

penny: 2.500 grams
nickle: 5.000 grams
dime: 2.268 grams
quarter: 5.670 grams
half dollar: 11.340 grams
gold doller: 8.1 grams



For the europeans...
EUR 2 Weight (g): 8.50
EUR 1 Weight (g): 7.50
50 cent Weight (g): 7.80
20 cent Weight (g): 5.74
10 cent Weight (g): 4.10
5 cent Weight (g): 3.92
2 cent Weight (g): 3.06
1 cent Weight (g): 2.30




Thanks for this. Good info.

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Re: Consistently weak mushrooms [Re: RoscoeReturns]
    #28464060 - 09/10/23 07:28 AM (1 year, 4 months ago)

Anyone know what dosage John Hopkins and the like administer for their studies? I know it's in pill form but I was wondering what that would translate to in average cube weight. Most of the patients seem to hit level 5.

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Re: Consistently weak mushrooms [Re: Hysteria] * 1
    #28464066 - 09/10/23 07:40 AM (1 year, 4 months ago)

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Anyone know what dosage John Hopkins and the like administer for their studies? I know it's in pill form but I was wondering what that would translate to in average cube weight. Most of the patients seem to hit level 5.




I’m seeing reporting from 2021 indicating an optimal dose of 30mg per 70kg of body weight. Interesting - we never (or seldom) seem to consider body weight. Or is that just me?

With the advent of laboratory testing and the wide ranges of potency seen even in non-exotic varieties of cubensis mushrooms, I don’t know what average is anymore. Let’s say somewhere between 3 and 6 grams. More if they’re weaker, less if they are stronger. Since one subject of this thread has been individual sensitivity and dosage adjustment, ymmv.

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Re: Consistently weak mushrooms [Re: DharmaForKarma]
    #28464232 - 09/10/23 11:19 AM (1 year, 4 months ago)

The $2000 went to the dehydrator, pressure cooker, 96 jars, 12 totes for SGFCs, enough spore syringes to inoculate about 240 total jars, the BRF, verm, and perlite, an additional large tote to make a SAB out of, a couple folding tables to put the fruiting chambers on, 6500K lights, spray bottle to mist with, and 2x4’s to get raise them off the tables to promote FAE through the chambers.

I think the dehydrator alone was 300. I probably should have started much smaller but I was really hoping to be able to make this a side hustle, not just enough for myself now and again.

I hadn’t had anyone else try them I didn’t want to do that until I knew they were good. I have tripped once on shrooms bought elsewhere during this time.

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Re: Consistently weak mushrooms [Re: GeorgeWashington33]
    #28464244 - 09/10/23 11:26 AM (1 year, 4 months ago)

Lol damn how many syringes did you end up buying?


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Re: Consistently weak mushrooms [Re: Screwup]
    #28464250 - 09/10/23 11:33 AM (1 year, 4 months ago)

Bought about 28 total I think. I still have a couple left though

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Re: Consistently weak mushrooms [Re: GeorgeWashington33]
    #28464253 - 09/10/23 11:34 AM (1 year, 4 months ago)

After similar challenges, and not knowing if it was me (rx’d SARI/trazodone, so I take a lot) or the shrooms (including genetics and my culting) I purchased qtests.  Friends/test subjects are certainly cheaper.

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Re: Consistently weak mushrooms [Re: DharmaForKarma]
    #28464254 - 09/10/23 11:34 AM (1 year, 4 months ago)

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I’m seeing reporting from 2021 indicating an optimal dose of 30mg per 70kg of body weight. Interesting - we never (or seldom) seem to consider body weight. Or is that just me?




I've heard Terrance McKenna talk about body weight. I think he said he weighed 145 lbs and he took 5 grams, and if you weigh more you should take more. Not sure if that's proven or not.

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Re: Consistently weak mushrooms [Re: GeorgeWashington33]
    #28464267 - 09/10/23 11:48 AM (1 year, 4 months ago)

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Bought about 28 total I think. I still have a couple left though



Jesus Christ did you get a bulk deal at least?


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Re: Consistently weak mushrooms [Re: Screwup]
    #28464297 - 09/10/23 12:09 PM (1 year, 4 months ago)

I don't even like buying spore syringes.  I usually only use a few drops now.

If you were trying to grow in bulk, pf tek isn't the way to go anyway.

Sometimes people jump into this hobby planning to make money, but until they know what they're doing it doesn't work out that way. Just ask foggy frog. I don't remember if he was trying to make money, but he blew a lot of cash with minimal results.

I probably didn't have the knowledge necessary for bulk growing until about 6 months after I started. That wasn't very long ago.

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Re: Consistently weak mushrooms [Re: Kinoko314]
    #28464307 - 09/10/23 12:23 PM (1 year, 4 months ago)

Is that guy still around? I couldn’t stand him and put him on ignore which is an accomplishment all by itself.


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Re: Consistently weak mushrooms [Re: Screwup] * 1
    #28464312 - 09/10/23 12:28 PM (1 year, 4 months ago)

It says he logged in yesterday, but he hasn't posted since July.

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Re: Consistently weak mushrooms [Re: Kinoko314]
    #28464377 - 09/10/23 01:20 PM (1 year, 4 months ago)

The actives in the fruits are primarily serotonin agonists.
I don’t think you have weak fruits, I think you have a neurochemical situation that is individual to your own self.

There are tests you can take to assess this.

As you said, you have seen people have much more pronounced effects from the same amount, while you do not. That means the issue isn’t the fruits but the person consuming.

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Re: Consistently weak mushrooms [Re: Kinoko314]
    #28464401 - 09/10/23 01:50 PM (1 year, 4 months ago)

I should clarify one detail. I have had good experiences with similar amounts many times in the past from shrooms gotten elsewhere. Probably had 10-15 trips total before trying to grow myself. Not to say it isn’t me necessarily though. I do have some left I’ll give them out for others to try. I guess my thought was that I didn’t want to do that until I knew I had good ones. But I’ll do that

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Re: Consistently weak mushrooms [Re: GeorgeWashington33]
    #28464406 - 09/10/23 01:53 PM (1 year, 4 months ago)

That’s why you give ‘em for free cause you don’t know yet or heavily reduced jajajaaj


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