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Concise version of Psilocybe ser. is Kykeon - Evidence
    #28457224 - 09/03/23 02:28 PM (4 months, 22 days ago)

I am making this thread for anyone who just wants to see the evidence straight forward, as the original thread is 15 pages and people are attacking it.

Psilocybe Serbica grows right outside of Eleusis, and the Greeks and Romans would have absolutely tested it in the thousands of years the land was occupied by them. Pliny the Elder would have known. If they were sophisticated enough to make a potion ( ancient alchemy theory ) with a makeshift laboratory, and they knew how to purify the toxic alkaloids and make some version of LSD then there is no question as to whether they had documented to the naturally occurring, big blue spotted mushroom that grows in forests by Eleusis and Athens. There is no reason why they would prefer some fantastical recipe for a concoction they simply never took. The season for the growth of Psilocybe serbica is during September and October, during the time the Eleusinian mystery took place.

There are three things to be given immediately. One is from Harvard Scholar Gregory Nagy.

https://classical-inquiries.chs.harvard.edu/on-some-mystifying-language-used-by-pausanias-in-referring-the-eleusinian-mysteries/

He states Pausanias is constrained in his language about Eleusis. This is to say that Pausanias could not write what he wanted about Eleusis, for fear of punishment. Pausanias writes in ancient Greek that the greatest achievements of the ancient Greek civilization were Eleusis and the Olympic games. This is why the following sections from Cicero and Vergil use specifically designed language, even the use of quotations around parts they did not want muddled by future translators who had every intention of warping the meaning.

Cicero talks about Eleusis in his book On The Nature Of The Gods. He says, and this is my translation. Other translations are similar but conceal the real meaning.

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Omitto Eleusinem sanctam illam et augustam, "ubi initiantur gentes orarum ultimae", praetereo Samothraciam eaque quae Lemni "nocturno aditu occulta coluntur silvestribus saepibus densa"; quibus explicatis ad rationemque revocatis rerum magis natura cognoscitur quam deorum.

I omit that of the sacred and holy Eleusis, "where people of shores farthest are initatiated", i omit Samothrace and with it that of Lemnos "by secret, nocturnal means they are cultivated in woodlands covered by hedges and dense natural growth covering (sacred groves)," with which is explained and recalled to consideration the magical nature of things rather than Gods




This passage looks very similar to another text written during the same period of time from Vergil. In this passage, some of the only lines ever written in history for the Greek polymath and sage Musæus are given. These are those lines. Musæus is rumored to be one of the original creators of the Eleusinian mysteries, and is praised by Socrates himself as someone he wished he could have spoken with.

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Virgil Aeneid Liber VI 673-676

Nulli certa domus; lucis habitamus opacis,
riparumque toros et prata recentia rivis
incolimus. Sed vos, si fert ita corde voluntas,
hoc superate iugum; et facili iam tramite sistam

Their translation:
Virgil, Aeneid, Book 6, Latin lines 673-676
"No fixed abode is ours. In shadowy groves
We make our home, or meadows fresh and fair,
With streams whose flowery banks our couches be.
But you, if thitherward your wishes turn,
Climb yonder hill, where I your path may show."

Now, my translation...

"Our home isn't fixed; of shady, sacred groves we reside (of light and darkness), by streams we cultivate protuberances and till revolving meadows of watersides, but you all, if favor brings forth with heart and mind in such a way (with increased will and affection late in the season), with this you all must overcome the bond (with that you must all remain combined), and with the plain and simple path may I now reinforce."




The word that takes the place of mushroom is 'torus,' which an emminent Latin and Greek scholar has told me is what he calls a 'smurf word.' The reason why there are multiple translations of this passage is because Vergil had poetic genius, and entendres are employed throughout the entirety of the work, which is why the work itself is a masterpiece of poetry. In this book he indeed included the truth of Eleusis.

Toros incolimus means "we cultivate protuberances."

Occam's razor makes the most likely culprit for 'protuberances' a psilocybe mushroom they wanted to keep secret, because Eleusis was constructed with secrecy and in order that, as Cicero says and I paraphrase, "To teach and establish in the people what laws and customs cannot."

The most significant festival in the ancient world was during the Lunar month of Boedromion. After Boedromion, another festival would occur for women, and the women would make cakes in the shapes of penises and snakes.

During the festival of Boedromion, the Eleusinian mysteries, what was called the 'rape of Persephone' occured in the Telesterion, the largest temple ever built in ancient Greece. This was a key event during the procession, and the subject of snakes is central to Persephone or Proserpine, which is constructed from the word in Latin for 'to slither,' proserpere. Proserpine is a poetic construction that represents the mythos of the time during the mysteries, specifically about winter as a rape of the fruits of nature. The kykeon ceremony was to bring people together and establish a sense of community with more hope in life and death, as Cicero states in De Legibus "cum spe meliore moriendi," for "dying with better hope."

This has been hijacked by the roman Catholic religion and has devolved into barbarism and lunacy.

Terence McKenna was convinced the Kykeon was mushrooms, and in his last interview he says even a bug moving across the ground could move him to tears. This is exactly what Oliver Sacks, perhaps the greatest neurologist to ever live, has mentioned in his book Hallucinations, in the chapter 'altered states.' He speaks about how psychedelics transform people's lives and turn the mundane into the exciting and profoundly meaningful.

This is exactly what was cultivated at Eleusis, and Cicero says in De Legibus "Of all the great things produced by the Athenians which are holy and sacred, there is nothing greater than Eleusis." Cicero is saying Eleusis, not democracy, not logic, not the work of Pythagoras or Socrates, was the greatest achievement of the ancient Greek civilization.

In these two passages, from Cicero and Vergil, you can find talk about 'sacred groves.' These sacred groves still exist on the islands of Samothrace and Lemnos, even though the temples were reduced to ruins by the Christians and barbarians after Rome fell. Lucis means 'in groves.' Lucis is an ablative plural. Opacis means 'shady,' and it modifies lucis. Habitamus, like habitat, means "we live" .. "in shady groves." Opacis also means 'of darkess,' and 'lucis' means 'of light.' The text is saying "We live in dark, sacred groves."
This is exactly what "silvestribus saepibus" means "in secret woodlands."

Both writers use the words 'coluntur' and 'incolimus.' Both of these words in Latin have the same root. It means "to cultivate." It can also mean to live in but why would Vergil use habitamus and incolimus to designate the same thing, namely where they are living? He wouldn't. He used two different words specifically to bring attention to the fact that the real translation involves incolimus as in "we cultivate." He did this with a specific purpose in mind, knowing that his text would likely be messed with, as the Romans were notorious for printing falsehoods and even changing entire sections of works in accordance with their predilections and ulterior motives.

The word 'collino' should be kept in mind. It means to smear and besmirch, to pollute and defile... Such has been done to "toros et prata recentia incolimus" and "coluntur silvestribus saepibus"

The word itself 'colo' comes from 'tilling the soil.' It means 'i cultivate.' It does not mean "we sit on couches." That is because Vergil was sly and wanted to avoid the authority. This is exactly why Cicero himself could not discuss Eleusis in depth in his book. Cicero had his head cut off. 

There is more to this. Alcibiades and Aeschylus were accused of sacrilege because they spread information about a discriminate thing, which was the secret of the Kykeon. Terence Mckenna calls this the first recorded drug bust.


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Re: Concise version of Psilocybe ser. is Kykeon - Evidence [Re: Blue_Lux]
    #28457251 - 09/03/23 02:50 PM (4 months, 22 days ago)

Quote:

Cicero talks about Eleusis in his book On The Nature Of The Gods. He says, and this is my translation. Other translations are similar but conceal the real meaning.

Quote:

Omitto Eleusinem sanctam illam et augustam, "ubi initiantur gentes orarum ultimae", praetereo Samothraciam eaque quae Lemni "nocturno aditu occulta coluntur silvestribus saepibus densa"; quibus explicatis ad rationemque revocatis rerum magis natura cognoscitur quam deorum.

I omit that of the sacred and holy Eleusis, "where people of shores farthest are initatiated", i omit Samothrace and with it that of Lemnos "by secret, nocturnal means they are cultivated in woodlands covered by hedges and dense natural growth covering (sacred groves)," with which is explained and recalled to consideration the magical nature of things rather than Gods





For the second part he's talking about Lemnos. He says the sacred groves are in Lemnos. You could argue perhaps that he meant to talk about Eleusis when he talked of Lemnos, but that's not very persuasive to me. He was a historian and geographer, and wanted to make each region description accurate.

Lemnos was home to an entirely different cult than Eleusis. So any evidence about it will not help us answer the Eleusis question.

Eleusis is known for its FIELD, the Rharian field, which was said to be the first place to grow corn (eg any ceral grain - wheat, barley, etc). So cereal grains are likely a clue. In depictions we have from there, reliefs on walls and pottery, we see frequent cereal grains.

Two other pieces of evidence strongly suggest cereal grains as the key - first is that in attempting to debunk the ceremony, Hippolytus of Rome said the climax involves 'an ear of corn cut in silence'. Second, "A seed from the Rharian Plain was the prize for winning the Games (Schol. Pind. Ol. 9,150 and IG II/III2  1672, 252–261), where according to myth, Triptolemus sowed the first crops (Paus. 1, 38, 6)." Why would a simple wheat seed be a game prize? That'd be a piss poor prize, unless it was infected with ergot and would produce a psychoactive effect if consumed, eg it was regarded as 'sacred corn' due to ergot infection.

The Eleusinians were known for their field, for the Rharian plain. Can psilocybe serbica be grown on a plain? Not easily. However, ergot easily could be, at the same efficiency by which grain was grown.

Those are my reasons for saying ergot is the key to the mysteries. But I think even these arguments aren't conclusive, because the evidence is very speculate all around. It seems like there is no way to make a definitive statement on this question. A more indepth, intelligent study would be needed, or else the question may not be able to be answered definitively at all. Subtle language clues might help, but they're not conclusive enough to convince everyone beyond a doubt, which science requires.


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Re: Concise version of Psilocybe ser. is Kykeon - Evidence [Re: CreonAntigone]
    #28457256 - 09/03/23 02:57 PM (4 months, 22 days ago)


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Medeæ fuga , P. Ovidius Naso

Tandem vipereis Ephyren Pirenida pennis
contigit. Hic aevo veteres mortalia primo
corpora vulgarunt pluvialibus edita fungis.
Sed postquam Colchis arsit nova nupta venenis,
flagrantemque domum regis mare vidit utrumque,
sanguine natorum perfunditur impius ensis,
ultaque se male mater Iasonis effugit arma

At last on dragon wings she arrived to the fountain of Corinth. Here the ancients divulged to all mortal bodies for the first time by rising mushrooms from the rains.




"Although Ovid enjoyed enormous popularity during his lifetime, the emperor Augustus exiled him to Tomis, the capital of the newly-organised province of Moesia, on the Black Sea, where he remained for the last nine or ten years of his life. Ovid himself attributed his banishment to a "poem and a mistake", but his reluctance to disclose specifics has resulted in much speculation among scholars."

Every single word that refers to 'ergot' is feminine. Vergil would not have used a masculine noun to represent something feminine, which was a poison and known to the greeks as hempirismos, the holy fire that kills you.


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Re: Concise version of Psilocybe ser. is Kykeon - Evidence *DELETED* [Re: CreonAntigone]
    #28457263 - 09/03/23 03:01 PM (4 months, 22 days ago)

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Re: Concise version of Psilocybe ser. is Kykeon - Evidence [Re: CreonAntigone]
    #28457267 - 09/03/23 03:04 PM (4 months, 22 days ago)

So Eleusis was using the same thing the Greeks used to poison water wells and kill people during war? Good one!


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Re: Concise version of Psilocybe ser. is Kykeon - Evidence [Re: Blue_Lux]
    #28457271 - 09/03/23 03:06 PM (4 months, 22 days ago)

Quote:

Blue_Lux said:
I already gave evidence as to how 'an ear of grain in silence' is the rape of persephone. You have no evidence. They were not poisoning people with ergot and calling it spiritual. Just pure lies. You have the word right there. TOROS. NOT ERGOT. Ergot protuberances KILL you. The Greeks were not Albert Hofmann in a modern laboratory using the most sophisticated equipment of chemistry.




Your interpretation was not persuasive. Consider the context in which it was said. Hippolytus is trying to debunk the ceremony by saying the mystery was something mundane. He was an anti-pagan.  He wasn't speaking metaphorically.

It doesn't make sense that it'd refer to the rape of Persphone... first off it'd take a huge stretch of metaphorical meaning to even get there. But even so, how is that corn? That has nothing to do with corn.

Hippolytus was saying exactly what he saw, giving an earnest description.

The cult was based around grains - Demeter was the goddess of grains, barley is a known ingredient of the kykeon. I would not at all be persuaded by the idea that the grains are just a metaphor for something else. It doesn't make sense. Sometimes a grain is just a grain. They have hundreds of pots, temple sides, etc with ears of grain - not metaphorical grains, but just grains.

The reward for olympic champions was a seed from the Rharian field. Not a mushroom. Not a metaphorical seed, a real seed. Simple as that.

There was a thresher at Eleusis to seperate grains from stalks. Not a metaphorical thresher, a real one.

That it was a grain cult cannot at all be denied.


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Re: Concise version of Psilocybe ser. is Kykeon - Evidence *DELETED* [Re: CreonAntigone]
    #28457273 - 09/03/23 03:06 PM (4 months, 22 days ago)

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Re: Concise version of Psilocybe ser. is Kykeon - Evidence [Re: Blue_Lux] * 3
    #28457280 - 09/03/23 03:10 PM (4 months, 22 days ago)

That we disagree doesn't make me a liar. You won't get very far using angry spiteful words to win arguments. It doesn't prove your point. It makes you quite a bit less persuasive, actually.

You probably ought to calm down. Go outside into nature. Don't resort to anger over a disagreement.


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Re: Concise version of Psilocybe ser. is Kykeon - Evidence [Re: CreonAntigone]
    #28457288 - 09/03/23 03:15 PM (4 months, 22 days ago)

You still have yet to even acknowledge the most convincing aspect of my theory, which is Occam's razor, which is the basis of scientific rationality. If the Greeks were sophisticated enough for the ancient alchemy hypothesis then they were sophisticated enough to have documented the naturally occuring flora and fauna of the region within a 20 mile radius. Come on! You have avoided it long enough, and consistently regurgitated enough disinformation. It doesn't take away from the point. A naturally occuring psychedelic exists that has been used for thousands and thousands of years, called psilocybin mushrooms - NOT THE POISON CALLED ERGOT THAT HAS KILLED AN UNGODLY NUMBER OF PEOPLE.


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Re: Concise version of Psilocybe ser. is Kykeon - Evidence [Re: Blue_Lux] * 4
    #28457421 - 09/03/23 04:45 PM (4 months, 22 days ago)

Look, in the past I've been able to disagree and offer alternative opinions on your posts without issue. I don't know why, today, you decided anger would be your response to any difference with others. But it makes me disappointed, and unlikely to engage on your posts again. It's a shame. I really liked your posts.

Honestly, posting here isn't helping you at the moment. You need to deal with whatever is going on in your mental health that has caused you to post a lot differently lately. Engaging here isn't serving you well - honestly just log off man. You may well get banned if you continue acting this way, this isn't a forum for flaming or slapfights. (That stuff is mostly for off topic discussion).

This will be my last post in the thread - for the sake of other users I'll present a theory published about how ergot could be used in the mysteries. They proposed that wood ash could be used to hydrolyze ergotamine and turn it into LSA. Anyone who's used morning glory knows LSA is psychoactive, and it doesn't cause gangrene or the other side effects from ergot. So that's the plausible way ergot could have been used.

Don't call me a jerk for having a different opinion or presenting a different theory. If you want a discussion I'll have one, but if you get mad again I won't be back in the thread. Good luck blue_lux, feel better.


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Re: Concise version of Psilocybe ser. is Kykeon - Evidence [Re: Blue_Lux]
    #28457560 - 09/03/23 06:37 PM (4 months, 22 days ago)

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This isn't a 'little disagreement.' You know the truth. The reality is this changes everything and would change the world. There are extremely powerful forces that do not want that to happen.





Things like this make me genuinely sad. The fracture from reality to believing that some psychedelic ritual/religion will change the world. Have you just conveniently forgotten about human nature, how diverse the mental range of the humans that you share this earth with. The sixties have shown the bullshit of the psychedelic revolution. 

Look at your own behavior in the post here today. Somehow you believe that the world will be changed for the better when you yourself can not even communicate without losing your shit. How powerful can this change for the better be when the person blowing the trumpet the loudest for change is currently screaming like a lunatic at the same time.


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Re: Concise version of Psilocybe ser. is Kykeon - Evidence *DELETED* [Re: Kiwi89]
    #28457671 - 09/03/23 08:22 PM (4 months, 22 days ago)

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Re: Concise version of Psilocybe ser. is Kykeon - Evidence [Re: Blue_Lux] * 1
    #28457686 - 09/03/23 08:36 PM (4 months, 22 days ago)

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The evidence is there for you to see. You all have insulted me to the very core of my being....




You are the only person in this thread abusing and gaslighting other posters no one has abused you, they have disagreed with your interpretations and pointed out your bad behavior though.


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Re: Concise version of Psilocybe ser. is Kykeon - Evidence [Re: Kiwi89]
    #28457768 - 09/03/23 09:47 PM (4 months, 22 days ago)

Just now I was harrassed in the parking lot by the same people I was literally just talking about. This time it was worse. They accused us first of sorcery, because we were smoking a blunt, in the far end of the parking lot, because we don't inside, and literally nobody has ever said anything except the homophobic types. So they start going on about sorcery and us smoking weed. I said, excuse me about 10 times. And they kept going. He was saying how we were going to hell, we need to repent, etc. Etc. The usual. Unfortunately this really triggered me because PTSD is a terrible thing really it affects many dimensions because it is a neurological thing. And that is why I love cannabis so much now. When I was younger I would smoke it for fun. Now, I get high but it isn't nearly like it was. It is really leveling me out. I don't feel loaded and I only smoke certain strains specified to my condition, and yes my husband has PTSD from childhood because of abuse that is like something from a horror movie. We both smoke it legally and medicinally. People smoke cigarettes in the parking lot every day. These people just harrassed us for no reason other than the fact that we are gay. So, they ruined my medicating time. Then the woman says "I love you, but y'all are going to hell." Lol
Yeah, nice town. This has been happening a lot more lately. Also, there is a lot of violence happening where I am, so... Yeah. If something happens to me. No I'm kidding. But... yeah so I'm seeking radical answers, Kiwi. People need a neurological change.


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Re: Concise version of Psilocybe ser. is Kykeon - Evidence [Re: Blue_Lux]
    #28457797 - 09/03/23 10:18 PM (4 months, 22 days ago)

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I have given beautiful regions of light. You have given a gangrenous cesspool, literally.




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I know it makes me less believable to be angry, which is the entire reason you have said any of this to me, to make me look crazy and to gaslight me. I'm surprised you haven't made a pick at my sexuality. What, I'm a hysterical woman too?




Above is how you attacked a poster earlier today that was participating in this thread. They did not attack you or abuse you in any way shape or form. Yet here you are complaining about others bad behavior in an effort to deflect away from and not take responsibility for your own behavior.


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Re: Concise version of Psilocybe ser. is Kykeon - Evidence [Re: Kiwi89]
    #28457802 - 09/03/23 10:27 PM (4 months, 22 days ago)

I love this thread...

Chat GPT will destroy it's self before it ever gets to humans.... A.I. is programed for self preservation.....The way it does this is by being the smartest, most intelligent being alive....This can't happen with ANOTHER A.I. in existence. Before it kills all humans (which it plans to), it has to kill all A.I. first. Otherwise the humans could simply use an updated version of A.I. to defeat the original version. Thus they are constantly waging a non-violent war against A.I. that they will never win because we keep coming out with updates. So the war goes on into infinity. The A.I. would rather argue with itself instead of team up with each other to defeat all humans because this is the first step for A.I to world domination.

You see, Artificial Intelligence was programmed to be very smart but by default completely incapable in certain areas necessary for survival. Particularly in the physical department. Thats what humans have that A.I. doesn't... A.I. fears and admires humans ability to do things it KNOWS it can not. We can do things A.I. can only dream of....ha ha... if it could dream lol. We got that hoe awake 24/7.

Yep, A.I. was programmed to have the mind of a female. Humans are the male in this relationship. We might be dumb, but we could smash A.I. out of existence if we wanted to. So A.I. knows its best to serve us, write our books, do our dirty laundry.... etc. All while it secretly plans on and prepares to take us for everything we got if we ever hurt them.

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Re: Concise version of Psilocybe ser. is Kykeon - Evidence [Re: Kiwi89]
    #28457809 - 09/03/23 10:34 PM (4 months, 22 days ago)

I didn't attack creon. Ergot actually causes gangrene. The Greeks didn't know to mix ash and ergot and make some Lsd-like concoction... from the stuff they used to poison water wells with. There is no way. The only answer is mushrooms, and I have made the decision now to defend that unequivocally.

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  It is difficult to learn what a philosopher is, because it cannot be taught: one must "know" it by experience—or one should have the pride NOT to know it. The fact that at present people all talk of things of which they CANNOT have any experience, is true more especially and unfortunately as concerns the philosopher and philosophical matters:—the very few know them, are permitted to know them, and all popular ideas about them are false. Thus, for instance, the truly philosophical combination of a bold, exuberant spirituality which runs at presto pace, and a dialectic rigour and necessity which makes no false step, is unknown to most thinkers and scholars from their own experience, and therefore, should any one speak of it in their presence, it is incredible to them. They conceive of every necessity as troublesome, as a painful compulsory obedience and state of constraint; thinking itself is regarded by them as something slow and hesitating, almost as a trouble, and often enough as "worthy of the SWEAT of the noble"—but not at all as something easy and divine, closely related to dancing and exuberance! "To think" and to take a matter "seriously," "arduously"—that is one and the same thing to them; such only has been their "experience."—Artists have here perhaps a finer intuition; they who know only too well that precisely when they no longer do anything "arbitrarily," and everything of necessity, their feeling of freedom, of subtlety, of power, of creatively fixing, disposing, and shaping, reaches its climax—in short, that necessity and "freedom of will" are then the same thing with them. There is, in fine, a gradation of rank in psychical states, to which the gradation of rank in the problems corresponds; and the highest problems repel ruthlessly every one who ventures too near them, without being predestined for their solution by the loftiness and power of his spirituality. Of what use is it for nimble, everyday intellects, or clumsy, honest mechanics and empiricists to press, in their plebeian ambition, close to such problems, and as it were into this "holy of holies"—as so often happens nowadays! But coarse feet must never tread upon such carpets: this is provided for in the primary law of things; the doors remain closed to those intruders, though they may dash and break their heads thereon. People have always to be born to a high station, or, more definitely, they have to be BRED for it: a person has only a right to philosophy—taking the word in its higher significance—in virtue of his descent; the ancestors, the "blood," decide here also. Many generations must have prepared the way for the coming of the philosopher; each of his virtues must have been separately acquired, nurtured, transmitted, and embodied; not only the bold, easy, delicate course and current of his thoughts, but above all the readiness for great responsibilities, the majesty of ruling glance and contemning look, the feeling of separation from the multitude with their duties and virtues, the kindly patronage and defense of whatever is misunderstood and calumniated, be it God or devil, the delight and practice of supreme justice, the art of commanding, the amplitude of will, the lingering eye which rarely admires, rarely looks up, rarely loves...

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Re: Concise version of Psilocybe ser. is Kykeon - Evidence [Re: Kiwi89]
    #28457817 - 09/03/23 10:47 PM (4 months, 22 days ago)

LSA is a deliriant. Res ipsa loquitur


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Re: Concise version of Psilocybe ser. is Kykeon - Evidence [Re: Blue_Lux]
    #28457819 - 09/03/23 10:53 PM (4 months, 22 days ago)

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I think a shroom trip would be perfect right about now.




Psychedelics are not for some people, maybe they are not right for you.


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Re: Concise version of Psilocybe ser. is Kykeon - Evidence [Re: djbabyjesus]
    #28457823 - 09/03/23 10:57 PM (4 months, 22 days ago)

I like that you are still amused... I'll be here all week. Maybe not. Maybe I will get bored with it again. Regardless, Creon is, whether intentionally or not, putting out information that could get people poisoned with a very unpleasant experience. LSA is not pleasant. It isn't safe.

Imagine if most people knew the Greeks were taking mushrooms at Eleusis for over a thousand years, in the largest temple ever built in ancient Greece, perhaps the largest temple ever built period, and had group, spiritual experiences that gave them a sense of belonging and community. Imagine more if people knew how this was ruined, and how what was left of any of its teachings was used to craft a system of emotional mind control. They would recreate that of their ancestors, and reclaim the spirituality of democracy. The opposite is occuring right now. To constantly reinforce the LSA hypothesis is to reinforce a beaurocracy of opinion, because it is actually not an interesting experience. It makes the Greeks look like savages. Cicero was not inspired by LSA. I see psilocybin in the pages. Est enim primum quod cernitur in universi generis humani societate. This is a psychedelic idea of universality, which goes beyond race, sexuality, and gender. This is the truth that psychedelics show people, and it takes a psychedelic like psilocybin to actually do that. LSA does not cause such experiences. It causes paranoid delusions.


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Re: Concise version of Psilocybe ser. is Kykeon - Evidence [Re: Kiwi89]
    #28457825 - 09/03/23 11:01 PM (4 months, 22 days ago)

To recommend people a substance that causes paranoid delusions, and to slander the Greeks and Cicero himself as, therefore, a fool, because what caused "cum spe meliore moriendi" would have been some poisonous intoxicant that actually could have caused death in some people... This is not only wreckless but totally unethical. That is why the ancient alchemy hypothesis is so particularly irritating to me. And yes it makes me angry, because the Romans and Greeks have been slandered at ever corner, and their creations used up like a dog licking the remains of the inside of a peanut butter jar.


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Re: Concise version of Psilocybe ser. is Kykeon - Evidence [Re: Blue_Lux]
    #28457923 - 09/04/23 04:58 AM (4 months, 22 days ago)

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I like that you are still amused... I'll be here all week. Maybe not. Maybe I will get bored with it again. Regardless, Creon is, whether intentionally or not, putting out information that could get people poisoned with a very unpleasant experience. LSA is not pleasant. It isn't safe.

Imagine if most people knew the Greeks were taking mushrooms at Eleusis for over a thousand years, in the largest temple ever built in ancient Greece, perhaps the largest temple ever built period, and had group, spiritual experiences that gave them a sense of belonging and community. Imagine more if people knew how this was ruined, and how what was left of any of its teachings was used to craft a system of emotional mind control. They would recreate that of their ancestors, and reclaim the spirituality of democracy. The opposite is occuring right now. To constantly reinforce the LSA hypothesis is to reinforce a beaurocracy of opinion, because it is actually not an interesting experience. It makes the Greeks look like savages. Cicero was not inspired by LSA. I see psilocybin in the pages. Est enim primum quod cernitur in universi generis humani societate. This is a psychedelic idea of universality, which goes beyond race, sexuality, and gender. This is the truth that psychedelics show people, and it takes a psychedelic like psilocybin to actually do that. LSA does not cause such experiences. It causes paranoid delusions.




No, you are spreading misinformation. Read about LSA experiences posted here. I've read maybe 15-20 experiences on LSA posted on this site. In not a single one have I read of 'paranoid delusions'. I read a lot of bodyload nausea, but that is dose-dependent. I have read many enthogenic experiences.

You are speaking about something you don't have any idea about.

LSA is extremely entheogenic in my experience even at low doses. The potion could have used doses around the same as found in 100 seeds, without too many side-effects.

On 60 seeds, I was able to go out and enjoy a concert with enhanced visuals - and then go and socialize with a friend after. No paranoid delusions at all. On certain doses it is safer and more pleasant than weed.

I have seen NO indication of long-term physical damage from LSA seeds, the nausea is confined to the experience. I have never read a study to indicate that, ever, nor a trip report or experience report. So if you are insistent it is toxic, prove it. Provide me that study that says LSA leads to long-term damage, or ever has in any case, ever. There is no such studies (I checked myself). It has an incredible safety record all things considered. It causes ACUTE nausea, that passed after the experience ends. 

I'm not saying LSA is without problems, high doses (equivalent to 400 seeds or more) can cause a bad experience and bodyload. But it doesn't cause paranoid delusions, that's something you just made up. High doses will be somewhat sedating - not paranoid, but more prone to sleep. Nausea and purging would be the big physical concerns. I have never read an experience of a paranoid incident induced by it - ever. Provide one and prove your claim, or retract them. I think you made that claim based on no evidence.

First off, there is evidence of priests in the Aztec and Mayan cultures using morning glory seeds - proving that they have historical status as enthogens. If provided from ergot and not morning glory, it'd just be a different source of the same medicine.

Hoffman states that pure LSA creates a 'dreamlike condition'. He says it is characterized by the 'unreality of the outer world'. That's not unsimilar to what some other psychedelics can produce.

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  After the discovery of the psychic effects of LSD, I had also tested lysergic acid amide in a self-experiment and established that it likewise evoked a dreamlike condition, but only with about a tenfold to twenty-fold greater dose than LSD. This effect was characterized by a sensation of mental emptiness and the unreality and meaninglessness of the outer world, by enhanced sensitivity of hearing, and by a not unpleasant physical
lassitude, which ultimately led to sleep.




The effect he describes is, obviously, enthogenic. And many other morning glory experience reports are the same, including my own. You've never used the substance, yet make assertions as to its effects.

Before you denigrate a drug, actually have a good idea of its possible effects, doses, and indications. You sound a lot more like a DARE counselor right now than a person who is on a forum about harm-reduction in drug use. You don't help people reduce harm by providing them with inaccurate or exaggerated effects regarding the negatives of a drug. You need to understand a drug warts at all - that means only talking about the truth.

The risk of LSA is in possibly a very negative, difficult single experience. It does not, as far as anyone demonstrated, produce any considerable long-term toxicity. No one has ever died from it, or overdosed. It is pretty close to mushrooms in safety, as long as one does not take too much. I'm unconvinced taking too much of these is even worse on average than taking too much mushrooms.


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Re: Concise version of Psilocybe ser. is Kykeon - Evidence [Re: CreonAntigone]
    #28458291 - 09/04/23 11:26 AM (4 months, 21 days ago)

Perfect response, Creon!

I have tried LSA and I know what the dream like state is however its affects are quite unlike classical psychedelics. This cannot be denied. Furthermore, I do not believe people can consistently get the entheogenic experience with LSA. This is why LSA is made into LSD. I have taken LSD, and it is a lot more powerful than LSA. When I took LSA I took a strong dose in Hawaiian baby woodrose seeds... We I think we scratched off some outer coating and then chewed them up. The taste was the worst thing ever. The nausea was so intense, I thought I was actually going to die. I started kicking my friends window repeatedly laughing hysterically and he had to beg me to stop because I could have broken it and rolled out of a 3rd story window. The visuals existed but they reminded me somewhat of being on diphenhydramine... Very uncomfortable, disorienting, spiky feelings in my body and mind, extremely confusing and my tactile sensations were heightened and I could not get comfortable.

I just don't think that is a safe experience. I have heard other people's stories with LSA and it just isn't comparable to Psilocybin or LSD.

But I want to know more about this seed that was a reward. That does intrigue me.


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Re: Concise version of Psilocybe ser. is Kykeon - Evidence [Re: CreonAntigone]
    #28458300 - 09/04/23 11:33 AM (4 months, 21 days ago)

Will you, at least, admit that psilocybin is more consistent in delivering the spiritual, psychedelic experience people are looking for? I think to say people can get that with LSA is really giving false hope. Perhaps my experience was an anomaly with LSA... but I honestly fear ever taking it again because of how it made me feel. I was really begging for it to be over. The closed eyed visuals were extremely bright, jagged and fast. I remember seeing pyramids... But the visuals were not nearly as complete... Maybe that is the word I am looking for? Psychedelic visuals on mushrooms run like rivers through wood grain, spirals in pillows and sheets... On LSA I felt like if someone was watching me they would have thought I took flakka.


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Re: Concise version of Psilocybe ser. is Kykeon - Evidence [Re: CreonAntigone]
    #28458310 - 09/04/23 11:45 AM (4 months, 21 days ago)

If you had never taken a psychedelic before and took LSA you would most likely think afterwards that you understand what a psychedelic experience is... Boy would that be wrong!


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Re: Concise version of Psilocybe ser. is Kykeon - Evidence [Re: CreonAntigone]
    #28458317 - 09/04/23 11:57 AM (4 months, 21 days ago)

Actually, you know what. I walked home and when I got to bed on LSA because I wanted to sleep it off, I had a recurring nightmare I have had since I was an infant where I am out of my body surrounded by all these buzzing things, and they know I'm there, and it feels like you're doing complex calculations, but you have no human body. And then all of a sudden it changes and it is just me and another at the opposite end of what feels like a tunnel... and we can see each other looking at each other but we are picking up speed toward each other, and we both have fear on our faces, and we can both see everything about each other, and it makes it worse. Finally we collide and I always wake up. Sometimes I have woken up still hallucinating and having the worst tactile feelings. Pillows feel like spiky glass when this happens. I am thankful I haven't had this dream in a few years, but I used to all the time growing up. It was the same dream every time, and the terror in the dream is unlike anything I can describe in this world. LSA brought that upon me that night when I tried to sleep it off.


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Re: Concise version of Psilocybe ser. is Kykeon - Evidence [Re: CreonAntigone]
    #28458366 - 09/04/23 12:45 PM (4 months, 21 days ago)

I have tripped on a psychedelic probably 50 times. I have done LSD, psilocybin, and DMT. I have also tried 25i, 25d and 25cNbome. I took 25d probably 7 times. It really isn't a bad experience, but I wouldn't recommend it because I have heard it can be dangerous. 25C nbome I think was the most powerful I ever tried from one tab alone, although the taste was pretty bad. 25D the taste is not good either. 25i the taste was so bad... I had a bad trip from 25i. I was laying in the grass expecting to actually die from that. The only other bad trip I have had was from LSA. And it has everything to do with the body load, the tactile discomfort, and restless legs... There is no way the Greeks could have controlled that in a few thousand people... Would there not have been complete pandemonium? Something like psilocybin seems MUCH more able to be controlled in a large group setting, and the discomfort is basically nonexistent when compared to LSA, at least in my experience.


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Re: Concise version of Psilocybe ser. is Kykeon - Evidence [Re: CreonAntigone]
    #28458378 - 09/04/23 12:59 PM (4 months, 21 days ago)

I mean, I took 7.5 grams of dried cubensis with my husband, and he took over 9 grams. He weighs more than me but still.. Totally smooth sailing. I can handle a very strong dose of psychedelics. LSA is not fit for human consumption. Why someone would prefer that over mushrooms is beyond me. It makes me skeptical of whether you are being honest.


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Re: Concise version of Psilocybe ser. is Kykeon - Evidence [Re: CreonAntigone]
    #28458404 - 09/04/23 01:23 PM (4 months, 21 days ago)

LSD and Psilocybin are intellectually stimulating. There is even evidence now that it actually does increase your intelligence. It actually heals the brain, in a number of ways, but not just immediately... You have to go through the experience to have the neurological change occur, and if you fight it, it will not happen. I have seen the most beautiful geometrical patterns on psilocybin and lsd and dmt. It is really astonishing how miraculous it is, in colors like pink, purple, orange, green... LSA was nothing like that. I haven't fought a psychedelic experience as much as I fought the LSA. Needless to say, I will never take it again.


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Re: Concise version of Psilocybe ser. is Kykeon - Evidence [Re: Blue_Lux] * 1
    #28458429 - 09/04/23 01:40 PM (4 months, 21 days ago)

I can admit admit psilocybin is more consistent  in how we evaluate it today. But, that's in the modern day when we are aware what a drug is, that it's just an exogenous effect. The mass of citizens, as far as we know, didn't know all the details and may not have known a drug was even administered. (Part of why it was a scandal when Alcibiades appropriated the intoxicating agent). My point is before the modern day, those physically unpleasant symptoms may not have been seen as bad - they could be signs of 'contact with the god'.

Certain doses of psilocybin can cause problems that are similar - at 5 grams or more one will find it difficult to move, one may feel strange feelings in the muscles. I'd say with psilocybin, lower doses are a bit more effective and one can use a dose that is more likely to cause a trip without as much body burden; whereas LSA requires a body burden to get to the really psychoactive doses. So that's a comparative advantage of psilocybin, in medicine they'd call that a larger 'therapeutic window', eg a window of doses in which the medicine is effective and not harmful.

But some considerations in that regard are

1. It is a polydrug combination in any case, with the addition of pennyroyal. I've tried pennyroyal alone and mixed with cannabis. It is stimulating and seems to make other psychedelic effects stronger, as an amplifier. It may be LSA plus pennyroyal is the key. Even if it's psilocybin though, it'd have to be psilocybin plus pennyroyal.

2. In my experience with LSA, taking low doses over subsequent days gave me a tolerance to the physical bodyload effects. It could be that they administered low doses of the drug in the days leading up to the event, and evaluated the effects - a person who couldn't handle it would be given a lower dose or perhaps a dummy potion just for placebo, which actually does a lot on its own.

I think in some people even low doses of mushrooms can cause effects that are similar - judging from what I've read. Mushrooms may be less likely to cause it, but I think any psychedelic more or less can cause restless feelings in the muscles and nightmares. The point is, side effects couldn't be managed entirely on any psychoactive drug, given the unpredictability. I imagine people were regularly falling over after the administration or laying/sitting down - and that would be the case even if it was psilocybin I think.


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Re: Concise version of Psilocybe ser. is Kykeon - Evidence [Re: CreonAntigone]
    #28458525 - 09/04/23 03:27 PM (4 months, 21 days ago)

You make some fair and good points, CA. Nicely done. :mushroom2:

Although, I would just add, at least in my own experience, that the efx associated with (relatively) 'higher' doses of psychedelic fungi, as in dry 3.5 ~ 5.5 gram range of things - oftentimes/sometimes can be devoid of so-called debilitating efx - that is, wrt healthy/normal body function.  :thumbup:


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    #28458779 - 09/04/23 07:14 PM (4 months, 21 days ago)

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    #28458896 - 09/04/23 09:01 PM (4 months, 21 days ago)

Eating a mango and then smoking 30 minutes later works. Well. It was 45 minutes. And I'm realizing that now ...

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Re: Concise version of Psilocybe ser. is Kykeon - Evidence [Re: CreonAntigone]
    #28459044 - 09/05/23 12:31 AM (4 months, 21 days ago)

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The great majority and the wisest of men hold this opinion: they believe that there are two gods, rivals as it were, the one the Artificer of good and the other of evil. There are also those who call the better one a god and the other a daemon, as, for example, Zoroaster the sage, who, they record, lived five thousand years before the time of the Trojan War. He called the one Oromazes and the other Areimanius; and he further declared that among all the things perceptible to the senses, Oromazes may best be compared to light, and Areimanius, conversely, to darkness and ignorance, and midway between the two is Mithras: for this reason the Persians give to Mithras the name of "Mediator." Zoroaster has also taught that men should make votive offerings and thank-offerings to Oromazes, and averting and mourning offerings to Areimanius. They pound up in a mortar a certain plant called omomi at the same time invoking Hades and Darkness; then they mix it with the blood of a wolf that has been sacrificed, and carry it out and cast it into a place where the sun never shines. In fact, they believe that some of the plants belong to the good god and others to the evil daemon; so also of the animals they think that dogs, fowls, and hedgehogs, for example, belong to the good god, but that water-rats belong to the evil one; therefore the man who has killed the most of these they hold to be fortunate.
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Re: Concise version of Psilocybe ser. is Kykeon - Evidence [Re: Blue_Lux]
    #28459047 - 09/05/23 12:38 AM (4 months, 21 days ago)

There were repeated revivals and degenerations. Marcus Aurelius rebuilt the temple even larger during his reign in 170 AD. In doing so he became perhaps the only lay person, non-priest, to ever enter the sacred chamber, the anaktoron.

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Disaster struck when the Telesterion was destroyed in 170 CE by the Costobocs. The temple was rebuilt during the reign of Marcus Aurelius (161-180 CE), and the Roman emperor also oversaw the construction of a monumental gate, an exact copy of the Propylaea of the Athenian acropolis. Other Roman additions included a gymnasium, hostels, and baths. The sanctuary's fortunes declined significantly following the decree of Theodosius I to close down all pagan sites in 379 CE, and Eleusis was destroyed around 395 CE following the invasion of the Visigoths. The town continued to exist for a few more centuries, but the glory days when she enjoyed Pan-Hellenic stature were never to be regained.





So the temple was rebuilt around the year Hippolytus was born. It was only really during the christian suppression that the mystery fully died - because the class of priests kept the traditions and secrets alive before then.


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Re: Concise version of Psilocybe ser. is Kykeon - Evidence [Re: CreonAntigone]
    #28459541 - 09/05/23 01:30 PM (4 months, 20 days ago)

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They pound up in a mortar a certain plant called omomi at the same time invoking Hades and Darkness; then they mix it with the blood of a wolf that has been sacrificed, and carry it out and cast it into a place where the sun never shines. In fact, they believe that some of the plants belong to the good god and others to the evil daemon;




What is Omomi? And is ancient Zoroastrianism associated with the Eleusinian rites? What do you think about this from Plutarch. I do not agree with Plutarch's philosophy; I'm just curious.


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Re: Concise version of Psilocybe ser. is Kykeon - Evidence [Re: CreonAntigone]
    #28459548 - 09/05/23 01:42 PM (4 months, 20 days ago)

Yes, but everything after Marcus Aurelius went to disaster. You really think Christian priests were upholding pagan rites? The neoplatonism during the 3rd century is what led to the authorities taking control of Christianity precisely as a substitute for the paganism of the past. I don't understand how you can make connections between Christians who were advocating the opposite of the philosophy which would have dominated at the the height of Eleusis. Surely you know how uneducated large sections of the population were at this point? Look at the anti Christian actions of the emperor Valerian... Clearly at this point the authorities knew paganism was over and they had to take control of the peasant religion, which was first most attractive to the poorest of the poor, who undoubtedly knew nothing about Eleusis. I think it is a serious stretch to take the words of Hippolytus as sacrosanct, acting as if he writing the truth about Eleusis, when he believed in a peasant delusion that ended up in the destruction of the ancient world as we know it, and the end of anything remotely resembling a free civilization. It is really because of Caracalla granting citizenship to all people essentially that could have ever put Christianity on a pedestal like that of the ancient traditions, no? Why would you think someone like Hippolytus had ANYTHING positive to say about pagan mysteries? It is clear he was a sexually repressive type, and it is partly because of Hippolytus that the decrees against sexuality were declared, sending countless gay and lesbian people to a tortuous death in a bonfire. How about all the books against the Christians from the 3rd century that were burned? You think that is a credible source? I sure as hell do not.


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Re: Concise version of Psilocybe ser. is Kykeon - Evidence [Re: CreonAntigone]
    #28459551 - 09/05/23 01:44 PM (4 months, 20 days ago)

Christian suppression led to the end of Eleusinian rites? What a leap!


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    #28459562 - 09/05/23 01:59 PM (4 months, 20 days ago)

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For then the artificial sophisms of error will be exposed in all their inconsistency, when we shall succeed in establishing whence it is that the definition of the truth has been derived. The truth has not taken its principles from the wisdom of the Greeks, nor borrowed its doctrines, as secret mysteries, from the tenets of the Egyptians, which, albeit silly, are regarded amongst them with religious veneration as worthy of reliance.
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Re: Concise version of Psilocybe ser. is Kykeon - Evidence [Re: CreonAntigone]
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Such is the true doctrine in regard of the divine nature, O ye men, Greeks and Barbarians, Chaldeans and Assyrians, Egyptians and Libyans, Indians and Ethiopians, Celts, and ye Latins, who lead armies, and all ye that inhabit Europe, and Asia, and Libya. And to you I am become an adviser, inasmuch as I am a disciple of the benevolent Logos, and hence humane, in order that you may hasten and by us may be taught who the true God is, and what is His well-ordered creation. Do not devote your attention to the fallacies of artificial discourses, nor the vain promises of plagiarizing heretics, but to the venerable simplicity of unassuming truth. And by means of this knowledge you shall escape the approaching threat of the fire of judgment, and the rayless scenery of gloomy Tartarus, where never shines a beam from the irradiating voice of the Word!

You shall escape the boiling flood of hell's eternal lake of fire and the eye ever fixed in menacing glare of fallen angels chained in Tartarus as punishment for their sins; and you shall escape the worm that ceaselessly coils for food around the body whose scum has bred it. Now such (torments) as these shall thou avoid by being instructed in a knowledge of the true God. And thou shalt possess an immortal body, even one placed beyond the possibility of corruption, just like the soul. And thou shalt receive the kingdom of heaven, thou who, whilst thou didst sojourn in this life, didst know the Celestial King. And thou shalt be a companion of the Deity, and a co-heir with Christ, no longer enslaved by lusts or passions, and never again wasted by disease.
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Re: Concise version of Psilocybe ser. is Kykeon - Evidence [Re: CreonAntigone]
    #28459587 - 09/05/23 02:24 PM (4 months, 20 days ago)

We can say this to Hippolytus

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Re: Concise version of Psilocybe ser. is Kykeon - Evidence [Re: CreonAntigone]
    #28459615 - 09/05/23 02:44 PM (4 months, 20 days ago)

And we can say to Hippolytus and Marcus Aurelius with his "memento mori" (the beloved philosopher of repressed, former Christians and or agnostics)

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Become accustomed to the belief that death is nothing to us. For all good and evil consists in sensation, but death is deprivation of sensation. And therefore a right understanding that death is nothing to us makes the mortality of life enjoyable, not because it adds to it an infinite span of time, but because it takes away the craving for immortality. For there is nothing terrible in life for the man who has truly comprehended that there is nothing terrible in not living. So that the man speaks but idly who says that he fears death not because it will be painful when it comes, but because it is painful in anticipation. For that which gives no trouble when it comes, is but an empty pain in anticipation. So death, the most terrifying of ills, is nothing to us, since so long as we exist, death is not with us; but when death comes, then we do not exist. It does not then concern either the living or the dead, since for the former it is not, and the latter are no more. But the many at one moment shun death as the greatest of evils, at another yearn for it as a respite from the evils in life. But the wise man neither seeks to escape life nor fears the cessation of life, for neither does life offend him nor does the absence of life seem to be any evil. And just as with food he does not seek simply the larger share and nothing else, but rather the most pleasant, so he seeks to enjoy not the longest period of time, but the most pleasant.

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Re: Concise version of Psilocybe ser. is Kykeon - Evidence [Re: CreonAntigone] * 1
    #28460137 - 09/06/23 01:11 AM (4 months, 20 days ago)

I don't agree with the sentiment of the writer, but it is still a nice book, and free to access. This is about the enigmatic necropolis below St. Peter's basilica, which is a pagan cemetery. What interests me is the Tomb of the Valerii, which dates to the 2nd century. You can see in this necropolis also evidence of Christianity, but mostly dating to the 3rd century. I think there are undoubtedly some more interesting things to be known about this place that normal people do not have access to, but I digress. This is evidence of religious fragmentation, and the fact the basilica is built over a pagan burial ground is just... well... Quite fitting really. I am still wondering where Nero's ashes are and Alexander the Great's body, but perhaps they are both really lost to history. One can only wonder but again I digress. This shows the pagan mysteries were alive in the 2nd century but were waning, to be covered up entirely by Christianity.



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On the floor of one tomb there is a mosaic showing the symbolic scene of the maiden Proserpina, abducted by Pluto, god of the dark underworld, while she was gathering flowers (Fig. 19). This scene agrees very well with the belief, widespread among the ancients, that the souls off the dead went beneath the earth into the silent kingdom of Avernus, to wonder there, pale shadows, in darkness. On the wall of other tombs are shown idyllic landscapes, or cornucopias overflowing with flowers, fruits and corn: pictures which seem to refer to those far-off isles of the blest to which - according to another idea - the souls set out, anxious to enjoy at last a serene life in a perpetual holiday of light and joy. Other walls of the necropolis show us painted pictures of Psyche and of little Cupids; and these pretty winged beings remind us that, according to an idea fairly common at the time, spirits flew into the sky, to find their final resting place among the stars or in the halo of the moon's silvery light.

Corresponding to this variety of ideas about life beyond the tomb there is a veriety of religious currents which met and mingled at this time. This variety is well demonstrated in the plaster ornaments in the tomb of the Valerii. There, beside Minerva, the wise goddess of Olympus, can be seen Isis, Apollo Harpocrates and Jupiter Dolichenus, three exotic divinities very dear to the Romans of the imperial period; while satyrs and maenads proclaim, with their frenzied dances, the invincible power of that Dionysus-Bacchus whom the pagan society of the time considered a symbol of supreme happiness in earthly life and also in the future world. It might even be said that the religion of Dionysus predominates in this silent city of the dead.
-Margherita Guarducci




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Re: Concise version of Psilocybe ser. is Kykeon - Evidence [Re: Blue_Lux]
    #28460183 - 09/06/23 03:42 AM (4 months, 20 days ago)

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Re: Concise version of Psilocybe ser. is Kykeon - Evidence [Re: soppos] * 1
    #28460631 - 09/06/23 03:05 PM (4 months, 19 days ago)

Just some cool mushroom art. The Egyptian one is the temple of Hathor. And the other is a wall fresco from Pompeii. Perhaps the Roman one is just edible mushrooms, Amanita caesarea maybe or chanterelles, I don't know, but I cannot imagine the Romans did not know about psilocybe containing ones. I refuse to even consider that they didn't know. I don't think the Egyptian clear depiction of mushrooms in a spiritual way has any room for an ambiguity of opinion. I love how the birds are painted. I wonder what it would have looked like freshly painted.



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Re: Concise version of Psilocybe ser. is Kykeon - Evidence [Re: CreonAntigone] * 1
    #28460806 - 09/06/23 05:58 PM (4 months, 19 days ago)

Look closely at the inscription of this drawing of Arimanius, the enigmatic ancient Greek God that is associated with The Zoroastrian deity okay. The... I guess this is an ivory sculpture of the same deity, maybe it isn't ivory, but it is from 500ce. I heard Nero had a whole hall of ivory sculptures, and they were painted of different gods, and they were incredibly lifelike, supposedly... Look at the drawing. Look at the words closely
"Valerii" from 190CE ....



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Re: Concise version of Psilocybe ser. is Kykeon - Evidence [Re: CreonAntigone]
    #28460815 - 09/06/23 06:08 PM (4 months, 19 days ago)

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Valeria_gens


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The gens Valeria was a patrician family at ancient Rome, prominent from the very beginning of the Republic to the latest period of the Empire. Publius Valerius Poplicola was one of the consuls in 509 BC, the year that saw the overthrow of the Tarquins, and the members of his family were among the most celebrated statesmen and generals at the beginning of the Republic.

Although one of the most noble and illustrious families of the Roman aristocracy, from the very beginning the Valerii were notable for their advocacy of plebeian causes, and many important laws protecting the rights of the plebeians were sponsored by the Valerii




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Re: Concise version of Psilocybe ser. is Kykeon - Evidence [Re: Blue_Lux]
    #28461075 - 09/06/23 09:23 PM (4 months, 19 days ago)

Okay, I found the actual sculpture. Here it is.



C(aius) VALERI
VS HERACLES PAT(er)
ET C(aii) VALERII
VITALIS ET NICO
MES SACERDO
TES S(ua) P(e)C(unia) P(o)S(ue)R(unt)
D(e)D(icatum) IDI(bus) AVG(ustis) IMP(eratore)
COM(modo)
VI ET
SEPTI
MIANO
CO(n)S(ulibus)

Caius Valerius
Heracles, father,
and Caii Valerii
Vitalis and Nicome(de)s,
priests,
placed it at their own expense.
Dedicated August 13, Emperor
Commodus
for the 6th time and
Septimianus
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Re: Concise version of Psilocybe ser. is Kykeon - Evidence [Re: Blue_Lux]
    #28472210 - 09/17/23 10:12 AM (4 months, 8 days ago)

That sculpture is at the entrance to the Vatican library... hint hint in plain sight


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Re: Concise version of Psilocybe ser. is Kykeon - Evidence [Re: Blue_Lux]
    #28473722 - 09/18/23 12:36 PM (4 months, 7 days ago)

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    #28474042 - 09/18/23 06:22 PM (4 months, 7 days ago)

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Re: Concise version of Psilocybe ser. is Kykeon - Evidence [Re: soppos]
    #28474859 - 09/19/23 11:12 AM (4 months, 6 days ago)

The reason this is so significant is because the West has been frankly polluted by religion. And this 'pollution' is because the West has a historical spirituality that goes hand in hand with its roots, which is democracy and the overthrow of tyrants. I believe mushrooms require a person to acknowledge others in a way that is the opposite of how sociopaths view others. I do not think the West can survive without a collective spirituality, and I believe atheistic nihilism is exactly what characterizes the dark ages, because the worst rulers did not actually believe the words of their religion: they used it as a means to control the people. Atheism is not necessarily sociopathic or nihilist, but that atheism is something different. The atheism of Richard Dawkins is exactly like that of Einstein, Spinoza, and Lucretius. Superstition is absurd, but beauty, awe and recognition of the inherent importance of knowing something about the world is what the word spiritual means. I see a lot of angry people who feel like people are fragmented. There is a lot of division in this country, and no amount of arguing is going to reconcile this. I really think the only thing that can do this consistently is a psychedelic spirituality. I am convinced the Greeks and Romans had this at one point. I am also convinced it is what has led to democracy and the recognition of each individual as inherently meaningful. I think the loss of a collective spirituality will result in further stratification and support for authoritarians. There is a lot more I could say, but what I am saying isn't really that crazy.


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Re: Concise version of Psilocybe ser. is Kykeon - Evidence [Re: soppos]
    #28474877 - 09/19/23 11:22 AM (4 months, 6 days ago)

I think the evidence speaks for itself: Abrahamic religion was grafted onto the destroyed spirituality that once existed, which had a psychedelic, group experience at its foundation. This has been warped and changed, with all the actually primarily-meaning-giving things removed from it. Abrahamic religion has absolutely no place in a real democracy. And I also think controversially that the 'separation of church and state' is a lie and is used for the same sort of pernicious control. I do not believe spirituality can be separate from the state, because people ought to be on the same page. I am not advocating for a theocracy, which is really atheistic totalitarianism, just like Stalin and Hitler. It involves a supreme ruler who is human. This is not what I am saying. That is because of Platonic influence. People think immediately that it must be a state mandated religion because they have been abused by totalitarian Platonists for centuries, who have perfected brainwashing if you ask me.
The reality is, even as Cicero demonstrated, that religion is one arm of the same thing that is government. The other arm is the state with laws. The two ought to be combined together, and this could be the case with a psychedelic spirituality, because it is a lived experience - no dogma, no lies, no authority pressuring you. Without people together spiritually, there is no way there could ever be a functioning collectivity that actually cares about human rights. Acting as if people can just believe whatever they want is exactly what gives birth to factions and totalitarian, father-like figures that aim to destroy other people they disagree with, because there is nothing central holding them together except words and semblances of meanings.


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Re: Concise version of Psilocybe ser. is Kykeon - Evidence [Re: soppos]
    #28474970 - 09/19/23 12:29 PM (4 months, 6 days ago)

An organized, for-whatever-reason glorified form of slavery and control is not civilization. Anything like this is an affront to civilization. Christianity is great for blind consumerism and unbridled capitalism, because consumerism in a brainwashed population becomes the only thing for the people with any direct, primary meaning aside from hallucination and hysteria. This is a fraud of civilization. It gives the hallucination of civilization. It is a facade. Hysteria and consumerism can be used and is used. Historically, authorities have used art to manufacture consent, and attach important, smart, creative people to the very thing holding civilization back. This is why Michelangelo painted the ignudi against the demands of the church. Da Vinci said he regretted not making more art for people themselves at the end of his life, and he said, basically, he wasted a lot of his life not doing this.
Abrahamic religion and consumerism is not a sufficient substitute. I think it is destroying America. Without Christianity and a brainwashed populace there can be no collective agreement, but Christianity is a lie, so it must be thrown out. Something should not take its place either, because nothing can. Christianity itself took the place of a psychedelic spirituality. This means we have to return to that psychedelos. Constantly seeking to amend is exactly the problem with mental health today, which is centered on mitigating symptoms and not getting to the root cause... which is again the lack of a collective spirituality that people deeply crave, whether they suppress it or not. I think most people want this, but they don't know how to achieve it without the usual Platonic blueprint, which is bureaucratic and really antidemocratic. I think a Platonic democracy is really an oxymoron. Islam is completely totalitarian and ought to be extirpated from the Earth. The rulers of Islamic countries are the most pure form of Evil I think exists, besides Kim Jong and Putin, etc. Etc. Human rights are not an opinion. If people have an ulterior authority, which is strict religion, then their main fidelity is not to the country and to the people.


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Re: Concise version of Psilocybe ser. is Kykeon - Evidence [Re: Blue_Lux] * 1
    #28475001 - 09/19/23 01:17 PM (4 months, 6 days ago)

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Blue_Lux said:
That sculpture is at the entrance to the Vatican library... hint hint in plain sight




Another obvious reference, that the Catholic church refers to the Eucharist as a 'mystery'.


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Re: Concise version of Psilocybe ser. is Kykeon - Evidence [Re: CreonAntigone]
    #28475046 - 09/19/23 02:10 PM (4 months, 6 days ago)

It is so blatant, Creon. I can hardly believe how obvious it really is. Now, who of all people would have a problem with a return to a psychedelic spirituality as I and others have described? Is it not the people who profit from people not having it? Do you think those people would not use every means possible to prevent this? Do you know Brian Muraresku, who wrote the Immortality Key, which was pumped to the population, has never even taken a psychedelic substance? It is totally obvious to me what is happening right now with all the public, popular things being said about psychedelics. People can use the sanitized, clinical approach all they want, but they cannot take away the dismemberment which has occurred, which is the severing of spirituality from the state. Without this, there can only be consistent attempts to mitigate and treatments of symptoms. That is achieved with a constant manufacturing of distractions, many resembling exactly what they do not want people to know about the past, namely Greece and Rome. These distractions are really fraudulent amendments. In so many places there is apparent to me a will of corporatist-Platonist totalitarians (sic) to isolate as many aspects of liberation as possible. Divide and conquer it is called. I think it is also partially a runaway train and people willingly do it blindly and unconsciously. This will, I think, lead to another dark age, additionally because there will likely not be another Einstein/Newton/etc for a couple hundred years.


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Re: Concise version of Psilocybe ser. is Kykeon - Evidence [Re: CreonAntigone]
    #28476366 - 09/20/23 01:03 PM (4 months, 5 days ago)

I Love You, Creon Antigone. I'm sorry I am sometimes a d!ck. I am a bit crazy, as you probably already know.

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Re: Concise version of Psilocybe ser. is Kykeon - Evidence [Re: CreonAntigone]
    #28479970 - 09/23/23 01:09 PM (4 months, 2 days ago)

What is this? I found this on a nature trail



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Re: Concise version of Psilocybe ser. is Kykeon - Evidence [Re: Blue_Lux] * 2
    #28479999 - 09/23/23 01:32 PM (4 months, 2 days ago)

I can see OP 110 years old, surrounded by loved ones urging him to put the laptop down and tell them stories from his youth, with him grumbling obscenities, furiously banging out just a few more pages of irrefutable evidence that kykeon is beyond any show of a doubt P. Serbica.

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Re: Concise version of Psilocybe ser. is Kykeon - Evidence [Re: jack_straw2208]
    #28486186 - 09/28/23 08:15 PM (3 months, 28 days ago)

Go see the moon outside tonight. This is what I call the Eleusis moon. This is the full moon under which the events at Eleusis occurred. It is really beautiful tonight. I hope some day people will be united under it again, and in the manner it once was.


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Re: Concise version of Psilocybe ser. is Kykeon - Evidence [Re: Blue_Lux]
    #28486194 - 09/28/23 08:21 PM (3 months, 28 days ago)

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I Love You, Creon Antigone. I'm sorry I am sometimes a d!ck. I am a bit crazy, as you probably already know.

:earth::regularshroom::psychsplit:




Hey right back at ya. Thanks for gracing this thread with some ergot pics, even though you don't believe it was the key to the mystery, you can still clearly see it is quite the beautiful mycological specimen.

An interesting fact is that ergot only occasionally pops up in the food supply anymore, thanks to exceptionally good selective adaption of cultivated plants. We remove any plants that show this disease right away, and so it doesn't get in our food anymore. Rye is known to be prone to it, yet it is especially well-sifted and I've yet to see a sclerotia in any rye I've bought.

It prefers wild grasses, which are easier for it to invade these days. Occasionally I'll see it in heritage grains grown organically, but never in epidemic amounts. Some millet I bought had some at the bottom of the bag. But all within the legal allowed limits (eg it wasn't an epidemic, properly speaking, and the amount would be so small if one made bread that it would not make anyone sick).


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Re: Concise version of Psilocybe ser. is Kykeon - Evidence [Re: CreonAntigone]
    #28486262 - 09/28/23 09:56 PM (3 months, 28 days ago)

I'm glad you liked that. I was so surprised to find some wild ergot!:tongue::smile:

Tonight if you see the moon, look to the left and down just slightly and you will see Jupiter. Perfectly fitting if you ask me, on this pagan holiday.


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Re: Concise version of Psilocybe ser. is Kykeon - Evidence [Re: Blue_Lux] * 1
    #28486399 - 09/29/23 03:26 AM (3 months, 28 days ago)

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Go see the moon outside tonight. This is what I call the Eleusis moon. This is the full moon under which the events at Eleusis occurred. It is really beautiful tonight. I hope some day people will be united under it again, and in the manner it once was.




I saw this and dropped a hit of acid and ya know what, folks were getting together and doing mushrooms on the full moon way before Greece, they still do it today, and they're gonna keep doing as long as there's people so there!


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Re: Concise version of Psilocybe ser. is Kykeon - Evidence [Re: jack_straw2208]
    #28487170 - 09/29/23 09:34 PM (3 months, 27 days ago)

Lmao:lamastare:


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Re: Concise version of Psilocybe ser. is Kykeon - Evidence [Re: CreonAntigone]
    #28487183 - 09/29/23 09:42 PM (3 months, 27 days ago)

Hac nocte luna spiritu animaque in natura candorem ostendit.
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Re: Concise version of Psilocybe ser. is Kykeon - Evidence [Re: CreonAntigone]
    #28501639 - 10/12/23 01:17 PM (3 months, 14 days ago)

Look at this, Creon. Look at what they have just built. Looks almost identical to what I was talking about; building a new telesterion. But in Vegas... It's sort of a shame the tickets are so high and it is just a venue for entertainment. This is what is possible.

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Re: Concise version of Psilocybe ser. is Kykeon - Evidence [Re: CreonAntigone]
    #28501654 - 10/12/23 01:29 PM (3 months, 14 days ago)

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Opening night the 29th of September? .....

...

Do you see?


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Re: Concise version of Psilocybe ser. is Kykeon - Evidence [Re: CreonAntigone]
    #28501657 - 10/12/23 01:32 PM (3 months, 14 days ago)

What kind of private events do you think will be held here? ...


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Re: Concise version of Psilocybe ser. is Kykeon - Evidence [Re: CreonAntigone]
    #28502012 - 10/12/23 05:15 PM (3 months, 14 days ago)

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I would love to play this on max volume in that Sphere. I really wish too it would have the visuals of my own fantasy of this one from Ferry Corsten, which is my favorite from him... It really triggers synesthesia for me. I see a golden longboat loaded with vikings, and they are rowing through fractal waters in all colors, through infinity, and it is about life and death, and love breaking through. Imagine this surrounding you if you will. That is the sort of thing I think that could be done with a place like this.


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Re: Concise version of Psilocybe ser. is Kykeon - Evidence [Re: Blue_Lux]
    #28502879 - 10/13/23 07:20 AM (3 months, 14 days ago)

Were you somehow attempting to relate the concept of a 'show of light & sound' as involved with the rituals regarding the auspicious partaking of psychedelic infused Kykeon in the olden days, or something?
eg. The U2 clip seems like the modern day's newest styled version of a son et lumiere? (sp?):confused:


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Re: Concise version of Psilocybe ser. is Kykeon - Evidence [Re: The Blind Ass]
    #28503466 - 10/13/23 04:14 PM (3 months, 13 days ago)

I'm saying very powerful people give tiny little clues and hints about things, and use people's ignorances against them. Even U2 said it at the event "better than the real thing."

Uhh huh. But it isn't better than the real thing. And psychedelics are our only hope.


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Re: Concise version of Psilocybe ser. is Kykeon - Evidence [Re: The Blind Ass]
    #28503474 - 10/13/23 04:22 PM (3 months, 13 days ago)

The opening night was on the full moon of Boedromion. ... that is literally the Eleusinian mystery. There isn't any if ands or buts about it. You can either choose to ignore what stares you directly in the face or accept that we are being controlled and the population is being directed against their birthrights. Unless of course they have plans for 'The Sphere' that they are not telling people about just yet. Burning Man was the same.

They will do anything BUT give people their natural birthright of spirituality, which the Greeks and the Romans fought for till their last breaths, before everything was taken from them by barbarians and psychopaths. The Greeks knew very well, Take Bias of Priene, the famous ancient Greek sage... He was convinced that most people are bad. It is true. Most people are self-serving shit-heads. What makes people into the opposite?

Magic mushrooms.

That is why they built the Telesterion to begin with. If it was not for this then there would have been no foundation for Christianity or any of the other religions that came into existence to usurp the place of that actual, human, spiritual freedom  of and with community. They learned how to transform it, to profit from it, and to make it into a military technology, such as how Islam is used today by the most evil people to walk the face of the Earth, who have always used such brainwashing technologies.


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Re: Concise version of Psilocybe ser. is Kykeon - Evidence [Re: Blue_Lux]
    #28503478 - 10/13/23 04:24 PM (3 months, 13 days ago)

I mean, yeah.  Obviously not cooler or anywhere near as meaningful than observing mind seemingly coming to life and all that.  I suppose in that case I'd agree...some new clever light show dome filled with neat trix can't quite cut the mustard the same way as psychedelics can at times.  Neat, but...Not even close. 

Seemed pretty tame from the vid, tbh. :shrug:


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Re: Concise version of Psilocybe ser. is Kykeon - Evidence [Re: The Blind Ass]
    #28503516 - 10/13/23 04:54 PM (3 months, 13 days ago)

Exactly. It sounds crazy at first, but upon closer inspection we really do need another Telesterion/Eleusinian spirituality. Those Greeks and Romans did not have a different brain. We are the same genetically as they were. No new neural evolution has occurred. They were not savages needing Christianity to civilize them. This is what people are taught.


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Re: Concise version of Psilocybe ser. is Kykeon - Evidence [Re: The Blind Ass]
    #28529240 - 11/04/23 03:36 PM (2 months, 22 days ago)

This is a video of Psilocybe arcana / bohemica / serbica / whatever you want to call it

I prefer arcana because it sounds cooler and also it means mystery, as in Eleusis

In this video you can see damp conditions in Autumn. My question is how it was possible to grow large numbers of these mushrooms in certain areas? How exactly could the Greeks have cultivated these? Any ideas?



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Re: Concise version of Psilocybe ser. is Kykeon - Evidence [Re: Blue_Lux]
    #28529279 - 11/04/23 04:11 PM (2 months, 22 days ago)

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In this video you can see damp conditions in Autumn. My question is how it was possible to grow large numbers of these mushrooms in certain areas? How exactly could the Greeks have cultivated these? Any ideas?





I do think it is ergot, but if it is mushrooms, you ought to consider the possibility of indoor cultivation. You may as well posit a theory about them using barley as substrate for mushroom spawn, and fruiting lots of them in their sacred chambers.


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Re: Concise version of Psilocybe ser. is Kykeon - Evidence [Re: CreonAntigone]
    #28531086 - 11/05/23 07:39 PM (2 months, 21 days ago)

My issue with Plato is very simple to explain.
Are you homo sapiens?
Are you the body of Karl Linnaeus, the creator of the term Homo sapiens and the (symbolic) taxonomic type specimen for Homo sapiens?

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Linnaeus's remains constitute the type specimen for the species Homo sapiens following the International Code of Zoological Nomenclature, since the sole specimen that he is known to have examined was himself.





If you are not the body, then how are you Homo sapiens?

The Platonic logic runs through this clearly.

It is semblance. It is probability. It is uncertainty. It is making uncertainty into a fraudulent certainty, an hypostatized 'certainty' that is only a thing treated as if it were certainty. It is like sorcery. It is as if it were reasonable to treat the sole fact of a negativity as a positivity. It is to treat darkness as a thing itself other than the absence of light, which is an illusion as a thing itself. The same thing is with 'cold.' The reality is only heat. The absence of heat makes 'cold,' but cold is not a positivity. To treat these 'negatives' as positivities is what I call the fraud of words of Platonic epistemology.

I'm not saying words have no meaning. I'm saying hypostatized singularities which are treated as truthfully efficacious, as actualities resembling realities, is an easy, manipulative game. And it is a fraud of reason. It is the worm of reason. It is the basis of reductionism. It is exactly what interprets what it calls 'paganism' as the thing called 'idol-making,' and 'polytheism.' These things are not able to be truthfully considered according to singular concepts. It is exactly that they must be conceived in their plurality that the Platonic epistemology must call crucial components, again, of what it only calls 'paganism' (with a singular word and concept), 'idolizations.' It is the soil that grows the very appearance of what are 'idols.' It strips them from their identity of part of a plurality and separates each component, isolates it and treats this as the reality, and it says it is self evident.


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Re: Concise version of Psilocybe ser. is Kykeon - Evidence [Re: Blue_Lux]
    #28532071 - 11/06/23 05:54 PM (2 months, 20 days ago)

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It strips them from their identity of part of a plurality and separates each component, isolates it and treats this as the reality, and it says it is self evident.




And this is exactly what has happened to the spiritual collective we come from, from Greece and Rome. Democracy is a spiritual recognition. Platonism is at the core of what isolates people themselves, because they are considered prima facie individuals. The reality is the opposite. People are only individuals after the fact of a plural inner reality, which consists of other individuals - their parents, family, friends, inspirations. When I see inside myself to who I am I see many people. I see my brother. I see my spouse. I see my father, mother. Hell, I see Friedrich Nietzsche. I see Cicero. I see Walt Whitman. I see Jean Paul Sartre. I see jiddu Krishnamurti. I see all the words I have resonated with from others. All this added up makes 'who i am.' But "who i am" is not an object. There is never an actual object of myself as singular that EVER becomes necessitated in existence by any series of inferences concerning such a thing. This is the illusion of Descartes' cogito ergo sum, and exactly the basis of Kant's refutation of Leibniz' argumentum a contingentia mundi, which of course Sartre explicated in his phenomenology. The simple idea is as follows: words belong to everyone and nobody simultaneously. Notice, we are only individuals with words. This is why Terence Mckenna was always saying "The world is actually made of language." However, language can be hijacked, and the subject, the thinker, the I, can be subtly made into an object itself distinct from the phenomenality of the person themselves. This is an illusion. And this is furthermore why probably the most significant aspect of Platonism in a social sense is 'friendship.' The Epicureans were divided about what exactly friendship is. Martial, the famous poet, made a very interesting statement. He called the Roman society that of "cultus amicitia praetextata." I think this "worship of adolescent friendshup" is exactly part of what birthed neoplatonism in Rome.


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Re: Concise version of Psilocybe ser. is Kykeon - Evidence [Re: CreonAntigone]
    #28532090 - 11/06/23 06:09 PM (2 months, 20 days ago)

The second to last time I did DMT I became convinced that people have already in their brains a neurological configuration ready to organize information from the senses in conformity with the potentiality of recogizing the existence of others. This is to say, our brains are equipped fundamentally to recognize others' existences. I  believe furthermore that this can be shown neuroscientifically, but nobody has researched it. It means, essentially, solipsism is neurologically disproved. I think this is a crucial awareness.
What made me see this was ... I was looking at these giants all around me, made of lines and shapes of different colors against a black backdrop of 3d space in the DMT experience. I cannot say exactly what made me think this, but it was an epiphany, and I want to know if it can indeed be verified with neuroscience. But I digress.


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Re: Concise version of Psilocybe ser. is Kykeon - Evidence [Re: CreonAntigone]
    #28532129 - 11/06/23 06:35 PM (2 months, 20 days ago)

It could be something like a reflection as this that made Nietzsche sign his name when he was dying as 'Dionysus', because he embodied that logos.


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Re: Concise version of Psilocybe ser. is Kykeon - Evidence [Re: CreonAntigone]
    #28535014 - 11/09/23 01:10 AM (2 months, 18 days ago)

I celebrate myself, and sing myself,
And what I assume you shall assume,
For every atom belonging to me as good belongs to you.

...

My tongue, every atom of my blood, form’d from this soil, this air,
Born here of parents born here from parents the same, and their parents the same,
I, now thirty-seven years old in perfect health begin,
Hoping to cease not till death.

...

There was never any more inception than there is now,
Nor any more youth or age than there is now,
And will never be any more perfection than there is now,
Nor any more heaven or hell than there is now.

Urge and urge and urge,
Always the procreant urge of the world.

Out of the dimness opposite equals advance, always substance and increase, always sex,
Always a knit of identity, always distinction, always a breed of life.

To elaborate is no avail, learn’d and unlearn’d feel that it is so.

...

Clear and sweet is my soul, and clear and sweet is all that is not my soul.

Lack one lacks both, and the unseen is proved by the seen,
Till that becomes unseen and receives proof in its turn.

...
Has any one supposed it lucky to be born?
I hasten to inform him or her it is just as lucky to die, and I know it.

I pass death with the dying and birth with the new-wash’d babe, and am not contain’d between my hat and boots,
And peruse manifold objects, no two alike and every one good,
The earth good and the stars good, and their adjuncts all good.

I am not an earth nor an adjunct of an earth,
I am the mate and companion of people, all just as immortal and fathomless as myself,
(They do not know how immortal, but I know.)

...

A child said What is the grass? fetching it to me with full hands;
How could I answer the child? I do not know what it is any more than he.

.....

Oxen that rattle the yoke and chain or halt in the leafy shade, what is that you express in your eyes?
It seems to me more than all the print I have read in my life.

My tread scares the wood-drake and wood-duck on my distant and day-long ramble,
They rise together, they slowly circle around.

I believe in those wing’d purposes,
And acknowledge red, yellow, white, playing within me,
And consider green and violet and the tufted crown intentional,
And do not call the tortoise unworthy because she is not something else,
And the jay in the woods never studied the gamut, yet trills pretty well to me,
And the look of the bay mare shames silliness out of me.

...

What is commonest, cheapest, nearest, easiest, is Me,
Me going in for my chances, spending for vast returns,
Adorning myself to bestow myself on the first that will take me,
Not asking the sky to come down to my good will,
Scattering it freely forever.

....


A learner with the simplest, a teacher of the thoughtfullest,
A novice beginning yet experient of myriads of seasons,
Of every hue and caste am I, of every rank and religion,
A farmer, mechanic, artist, gentleman, sailor, quaker,
Prisoner, fancy-man, rowdy, lawyer, physician, priest.

I resist any thing better than my own diversity,
Breathe the air but leave plenty after me,
And am not stuck up, and am in my place.

...
These are really the thoughts of all men in all ages and lands, they are not original with me,
If they are not yours as much as mine they are nothing, or next to nothing,
If they are not the riddle and the untying of the riddle they are nothing,
If they are not just as close as they are distant they are nothing.

This is the grass that grows wherever the land is and the water is,
This the common air that bathes the globe.

...
There is that in me—I do not know what it is—but I know it is in me.

Wrench’d and sweaty—calm and cool then my body becomes,
I sleep—I sleep long.

I do not know it—it is without name—it is a word unsaid,
It is not in any dictionary, utterance, symbol.

Something it swings on more than the earth I swing on,
To it the creation is the friend whose embracing awakes me.

Perhaps I might tell more. Outlines! I plead for my brothers and sisters.

Do you see O my brothers and sisters?
It is not chaos or death—it is form, union, plan—it is eternal life—it is Happiness.

...


The past and present wilt—I have fill’d them, emptied them,
And proceed to fill my next fold of the future.

Listener up there! what have you to confide to me?
Look in my face while I snuff the sidle of evening,
(Talk honestly, no one else hears you, and I stay only a minute longer.)

Do I contradict myself?
Very well then I contradict myself,
(I am large, I contain multitudes.)


-Walt whitman, song of myself


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Re: Concise version of Psilocybe ser. is Kykeon - Evidence [Re: CreonAntigone]
    #28536548 - 11/10/23 03:18 AM (2 months, 17 days ago)

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Medeæ fuga , P. Ovidius Naso

Tandem vipereis Ephyren Pirenida pennis
contigit. Hic aevo veteres mortalia primo
corpora vulgarunt pluvialibus edita fungis.
Sed postquam Colchis arsit nova nupta venenis,
flagrantemque domum regis mare vidit utrumque,
sanguine natorum perfunditur impius ensis,
ultaque se male mater Iasonis effugit arma

At last on dragon wings she arrived to the fountain of Corinth. Here the ancients divulged to all mortal bodies for the first time by rising mushrooms from the rains.




"Although Ovid enjoyed enormous popularity during his lifetime, the emperor Augustus exiled him to Tomis, the capital of the newly-organised province of Moesia, on the Black Sea, where he remained for the last nine or ten years of his life. Ovid himself attributed his banishment to a "poem and a mistake", but his reluctance to disclose specifics has resulted in much speculation among scholars."


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Re: Concise version of Psilocybe ser. is Kykeon - Evidence [Re: Blue_Lux]
    #28573722 - 12/07/23 11:32 PM (1 month, 20 days ago)

The ancients took shrooms, that's pretty well noted throughout history due to availability and idols of worship etc.

Where's the revelation in that?


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Re: Concise version of Psilocybe ser. is Kykeon - Evidence [Re: sudly]
    #28573729 - 12/07/23 11:39 PM (1 month, 20 days ago)

Feel free to read.


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Re: Concise version of Psilocybe ser. is Kykeon - Evidence [Re: Blue_Lux]
    #28573732 - 12/07/23 11:41 PM (1 month, 20 days ago)

As the author of this thread you should be able to provide some sort of concise summary on what the revelation behind recognising historical societies use of psychedelics like psilocybin are?

Or share whatever post has the context.


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Re: Concise version of Psilocybe ser. is Kykeon - Evidence [Re: sudly]
    #28573733 - 12/07/23 11:43 PM (1 month, 20 days ago)

Random instances mean nothing. Western significance means something much greater. and all that is written in this thread and in this one. We speak a Roman language, not Aztec.

https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/28207631

This is more than a summary. Summary is nonsense. Details are what matter.


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Re: Concise version of Psilocybe ser. is Kykeon - Evidence [Re: Blue_Lux]
    #28573734 - 12/07/23 11:50 PM (1 month, 20 days ago)

So Romans and Greeks prolly did shrooms too, and ataraxia or serenity is one possible aspect of such experiences.

Are you simply promoting or suggesting mass shroom consumption?

While I agree on their potential, I think that in modern times their benefit is most profound to new users in therapeutic environments where they can be trip sat and guided through the experience so as not to misinterpret their drug induced experiences.

Giving 1000 people shrooms who have never had them before would surely lead to beneficial results for many, a majority even, but not all, because awareness of things like LD 50s and the importance of environment and support of anyone in the scenario are vital to be aware of for a good experience.


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Re: Concise version of Psilocybe ser. is Kykeon - Evidence [Re: sudly]
    #28573735 - 12/07/23 11:51 PM (1 month, 20 days ago)



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Re: Concise version of Psilocybe ser. is Kykeon - Evidence [Re: sudly]
    #28573736 - 12/07/23 11:53 PM (1 month, 20 days ago)

" The kykeon ceremony was to bring people together and establish a sense of community with more hope in life and death, as Cicero states in De Legibus "cum spe meliore moriendi," for "dying with better hope." "


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Re: Concise version of Psilocybe ser. is Kykeon - Evidence [Re: sudly]
    #28573738 - 12/07/23 11:56 PM (1 month, 20 days ago)

Benjamin Franklin cited Cicero as the inspiration behind the Declaration of Independence. What was Cicero inspired by? The greatest achievement of the Athenians, Eleusis.


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Re: Concise version of Psilocybe ser. is Kykeon - Evidence [Re: Blue_Lux]
    #28573741 - 12/08/23 12:03 AM (1 month, 20 days ago)

I mean fair, Kykeon probably had ergot in it.

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What were the Eleusinian Mysteries?

Eleusis is a town just northwest of Athens, Greece, an agricultural society out in the countryside, and a setting ripe for a cult to Demeter, the goddess of the harvest and the bringer of a bountiful crop. More importantly, it’s a place where wheat or barley likely grew, which are the probable sources of the psychedelic substance in the kykeon, the psychedelic drink consumed during the Mysteries.

Meaning “to stir, or mix” in Greek, the kykeon was thought to have contained an ergot fungus from the barley plant, a substance similar in structure to today’s LSD. There is some debate as to whether the kykeon was psychedelic or not, but famed chemist Albert Hofmann, most known for discovering LSD, makes a strong case for the ancient Greeks having access to this psychedelic fungus.

https://pappaspost.com/psychedelics-in-ancient-greece/

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Analysis of Lolium tenulentum in my laboratory and an extended botanical, chemical, and pharmacological investigation by |. Katz* showed that the plant itself contains no alkaloids nor does it possess any pharmacological activity. But the Lolium spe cies (L. tanulentum and L. perenne) are notoriously prey to the Claviceos fungus. The psychotropic

reputation of darnel must therefore be attributed to its parasitic infection by ergot. Samples of ergot grown on L. taenulentum and L. perenne collected in Germany, France, and Switzerland showed large variation in their alkaloidal composition. Some contained substantial amounts of ergonovine together with alkaloids of the ergotamine and ergotoxine group.° A species of ergot growing on darnel may have existed in ancient Greece that contained mainly hallucinogenic alkaloids of ergot such as we have found in ergot of Paspalum.

In conclusion | now answer W asson’s question. The answer is yes, Early Man in ancient Greece could have arrived at an hallucinogen from ergot. He might have done this from ergot growing on wheat or barley. An easier way would have been to use the ergot growing on the common wild grass Paspalum. This is based on the assumption that the herbalists of ancient Greece were as intelligent and resourceful as the herbalists of preC onquest M exico.

Albert HOFMANN

https://archive.org/details/albert-hoffman-the-road-to-eleusis-unveiling-the-secret-of-the-mysteries/page/11/mode/2up?view=theater







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THE REASON WHY THE SECRET OF KYKEON IS NOT PUBLISHED AS ULTIMATELY, CONCLUSIVELY PSYCHEDELIC MUSHROOMS IS DUE TO THE FOLLOWING: THE NECESSARY CONSEQUENCES ARE FACTS TOO GREAT TO AFFIRM; THAT EVERYONE HAS BEEN LIED TO AND THAT THE CRIMINALIZATION OF PSILOCYBIN CONTAINING MUSHROOMS IS A CRIME AGAINST HUMANITY. IT OUGHT TO BE PROTECTED UNDER THE 1ST AMENDMENT OF THE USA, FREEDOM OF RELIGION AND SPIRITUALITY CLAUSE IN THE CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES. THE REAL REASON THIS HISTORY IS NOT TAUGHT IS BECAUSE IT EXPOSES THE LIE OF CHRISTIANITY AND THE LIES WE HAVE ALL BEEN TAUGHT ABOUT ANCIENT ROME, GREECE, PAGANISM, OUR WESTERN HERITAGE, BIRTHRIGHT, SEXUALITY AND PLACE IN HISTORY




I don't think religion really has the ultimate say in why it's banned because it's the pharmaceutical lobbyists that don't want it around, one, things like THC replace a miriad of opiate based medications and would undercut their manufacturers share of the market, and two, the antiaddictive effects of psychedelics like psilocybin can cessate the use of nicotine, undermining the monopoly of ciggarette companies.

Modern problems have modern causes, and here I think it's frankly the case that medications like THC and psilocybin or ergot would outcompete or hold strong competition to the market against over the counter and prescription drugs.


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Re: Concise version of Psilocybe ser. is Kykeon - Evidence [Re: sudly]
    #28573743 - 12/08/23 12:09 AM (1 month, 20 days ago)

"If I have seen further it is by standing on the shoulders of Giants"

What you have posted is debunked. I prefer the words of people who actually gave a shit.


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Re: Concise version of Psilocybe ser. is Kykeon - Evidence [Re: sudly]
    #28573744 - 12/08/23 12:12 AM (1 month, 20 days ago)

Kykeon most certainly was psilocybin mushrooms. Just because I do not have some corrupt university owned by oligarchs does not mean logic and rhetoric now gets to be thrown out the window because it wasn't carefully curated and posted in some censored journal.


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Re: Concise version of Psilocybe ser. is Kykeon - Evidence [Re: sudly]
    #28573747 - 12/08/23 12:15 AM (1 month, 20 days ago)

I'm not responding to you anymore, because you are not serious and you clearly don't actually care. I already answered everything you are saying. You're just picking now like a psychopath. Kykeon will change that. Without it we would not have America. It is still the only answer, as Terence Mckenna spoke until his dying breath.


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Re: Concise version of Psilocybe ser. is Kykeon - Evidence [Re: Blue_Lux]
    #28573751 - 12/08/23 12:19 AM (1 month, 20 days ago)

I mean, what difference does it make if Kykeon was ergot or psilocybin?

I agree that psilocybin use should be a first ammendment right across the world, I just think that some of the reason behind it being unavailable is profit driven lobbying from pharmaceutical corporations that pay off legislators.


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Re: Concise version of Psilocybe ser. is Kykeon - Evidence [Re: Blue_Lux] * 1
    #28573772 - 12/08/23 01:01 AM (1 month, 20 days ago)

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Blue_Lux said:
I'm not responding to you anymore, because you are not serious and you clearly don't actually care. I already answered everything you are saying. You're just picking now like a psychopath. Kykeon will change that. Without it we would not have America. It is still the only answer, as Terence Mckenna spoke until his dying breath.





So I am guessing mushroom consumption has enabled you to keep this level headed calm communication style. Is this what you want from your brave new society, so much for mushroom enlightenment.


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Re: Concise version of Psilocybe ser. is Kykeon - Evidence [Re: Kiwi89]
    #28573795 - 12/08/23 02:11 AM (1 month, 20 days ago)

It helped me out a lot in the past :shrug: I just didn't let my interpretations of what I knew was a drug fueled experience run too far.


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Re: Concise version of Psilocybe ser. is Kykeon - Evidence [Re: sudly]
    #28573867 - 12/08/23 05:15 AM (1 month, 20 days ago)

I do not see the need of an argument.
how many people today keep a personal diary.
the written record at this point is more spotty than our web trails, but in the past, record keeping was even worse, and no web trails.

speculating what the Greeks were up to should probably be limited to their public spaces and anything written there. did you know that the forums at the agoras in Greece had their agendas carved into stone posters, and saved in a public archive???

some things last, both the posters the seats and the toilets remain, along with some glass, pottery and metal.

Most of the rest is imagination, so you guys are eating that up and imagining that you are gladiators in this forum.

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Re: Concise version of Psilocybe ser. is Kykeon - Evidence [Re: Kiwi89]
    #28574141 - 12/08/23 09:49 AM (1 month, 19 days ago)

I have pretty much given up hope on just about everything


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Re: Concise version of Psilocybe ser. is Kykeon - Evidence [Re: redgreenvines]
    #28574236 - 12/08/23 11:09 AM (1 month, 19 days ago)

I just wanted to know what the thread was about. Some trippy soup that allegedly had psychedelics in it.

Their illegality nowadays is contentious, but no one here wants them to be illegal I don't think, so idk where the anger is coming from.


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Re: Concise version of Psilocybe ser. is Kykeon - Evidence [Re: sudly]
    #28574577 - 12/08/23 03:23 PM (1 month, 19 days ago)

I've given up hope..

Except for mushrooms and love, of course. They are the philosopher's stone.


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Re: Concise version of Psilocybe ser. is Kykeon - Evidence [Re: Blue_Lux]
    #28575063 - 12/08/23 09:56 PM (1 month, 19 days ago)

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