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Re: Concise version of Psilocybe ser. is Kykeon - Evidence [Re: CreonAntigone]
    #28459548 - 09/05/23 01:42 PM (4 months, 20 days ago)

Yes, but everything after Marcus Aurelius went to disaster. You really think Christian priests were upholding pagan rites? The neoplatonism during the 3rd century is what led to the authorities taking control of Christianity precisely as a substitute for the paganism of the past. I don't understand how you can make connections between Christians who were advocating the opposite of the philosophy which would have dominated at the the height of Eleusis. Surely you know how uneducated large sections of the population were at this point? Look at the anti Christian actions of the emperor Valerian... Clearly at this point the authorities knew paganism was over and they had to take control of the peasant religion, which was first most attractive to the poorest of the poor, who undoubtedly knew nothing about Eleusis. I think it is a serious stretch to take the words of Hippolytus as sacrosanct, acting as if he writing the truth about Eleusis, when he believed in a peasant delusion that ended up in the destruction of the ancient world as we know it, and the end of anything remotely resembling a free civilization. It is really because of Caracalla granting citizenship to all people essentially that could have ever put Christianity on a pedestal like that of the ancient traditions, no? Why would you think someone like Hippolytus had ANYTHING positive to say about pagan mysteries? It is clear he was a sexually repressive type, and it is partly because of Hippolytus that the decrees against sexuality were declared, sending countless gay and lesbian people to a tortuous death in a bonfire. How about all the books against the Christians from the 3rd century that were burned? You think that is a credible source? I sure as hell do not.


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Re: Concise version of Psilocybe ser. is Kykeon - Evidence [Re: CreonAntigone]
    #28459551 - 09/05/23 01:44 PM (4 months, 20 days ago)

Christian suppression led to the end of Eleusinian rites? What a leap!


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Re: Concise version of Psilocybe ser. is Kykeon - Evidence [Re: CreonAntigone]
    #28459562 - 09/05/23 01:59 PM (4 months, 20 days ago)

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For then the artificial sophisms of error will be exposed in all their inconsistency, when we shall succeed in establishing whence it is that the definition of the truth has been derived. The truth has not taken its principles from the wisdom of the Greeks, nor borrowed its doctrines, as secret mysteries, from the tenets of the Egyptians, which, albeit silly, are regarded amongst them with religious veneration as worthy of reliance.
Hippolytus of Rome, Ref. of all heresies, book X





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Re: Concise version of Psilocybe ser. is Kykeon - Evidence [Re: CreonAntigone]
    #28459578 - 09/05/23 02:16 PM (4 months, 20 days ago)

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Such is the true doctrine in regard of the divine nature, O ye men, Greeks and Barbarians, Chaldeans and Assyrians, Egyptians and Libyans, Indians and Ethiopians, Celts, and ye Latins, who lead armies, and all ye that inhabit Europe, and Asia, and Libya. And to you I am become an adviser, inasmuch as I am a disciple of the benevolent Logos, and hence humane, in order that you may hasten and by us may be taught who the true God is, and what is His well-ordered creation. Do not devote your attention to the fallacies of artificial discourses, nor the vain promises of plagiarizing heretics, but to the venerable simplicity of unassuming truth. And by means of this knowledge you shall escape the approaching threat of the fire of judgment, and the rayless scenery of gloomy Tartarus, where never shines a beam from the irradiating voice of the Word!

You shall escape the boiling flood of hell's eternal lake of fire and the eye ever fixed in menacing glare of fallen angels chained in Tartarus as punishment for their sins; and you shall escape the worm that ceaselessly coils for food around the body whose scum has bred it. Now such (torments) as these shall thou avoid by being instructed in a knowledge of the true God. And thou shalt possess an immortal body, even one placed beyond the possibility of corruption, just like the soul. And thou shalt receive the kingdom of heaven, thou who, whilst thou didst sojourn in this life, didst know the Celestial King. And thou shalt be a companion of the Deity, and a co-heir with Christ, no longer enslaved by lusts or passions, and never again wasted by disease.
Hippolytus of Rome




Really, Creon?


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Re: Concise version of Psilocybe ser. is Kykeon - Evidence [Re: CreonAntigone]
    #28459587 - 09/05/23 02:24 PM (4 months, 20 days ago)

We can say this to Hippolytus

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The fool's life is empty of gratitude and full of fears; its course lies wholly toward the future
Epicurus




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Re: Concise version of Psilocybe ser. is Kykeon - Evidence [Re: CreonAntigone]
    #28459615 - 09/05/23 02:44 PM (4 months, 20 days ago)

And we can say to Hippolytus and Marcus Aurelius with his "memento mori" (the beloved philosopher of repressed, former Christians and or agnostics)

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Become accustomed to the belief that death is nothing to us. For all good and evil consists in sensation, but death is deprivation of sensation. And therefore a right understanding that death is nothing to us makes the mortality of life enjoyable, not because it adds to it an infinite span of time, but because it takes away the craving for immortality. For there is nothing terrible in life for the man who has truly comprehended that there is nothing terrible in not living. So that the man speaks but idly who says that he fears death not because it will be painful when it comes, but because it is painful in anticipation. For that which gives no trouble when it comes, is but an empty pain in anticipation. So death, the most terrifying of ills, is nothing to us, since so long as we exist, death is not with us; but when death comes, then we do not exist. It does not then concern either the living or the dead, since for the former it is not, and the latter are no more. But the many at one moment shun death as the greatest of evils, at another yearn for it as a respite from the evils in life. But the wise man neither seeks to escape life nor fears the cessation of life, for neither does life offend him nor does the absence of life seem to be any evil. And just as with food he does not seek simply the larger share and nothing else, but rather the most pleasant, so he seeks to enjoy not the longest period of time, but the most pleasant.

Epicurus, Letter to Menœceus





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Re: Concise version of Psilocybe ser. is Kykeon - Evidence [Re: CreonAntigone] * 1
    #28460137 - 09/06/23 01:11 AM (4 months, 20 days ago)

I don't agree with the sentiment of the writer, but it is still a nice book, and free to access. This is about the enigmatic necropolis below St. Peter's basilica, which is a pagan cemetery. What interests me is the Tomb of the Valerii, which dates to the 2nd century. You can see in this necropolis also evidence of Christianity, but mostly dating to the 3rd century. I think there are undoubtedly some more interesting things to be known about this place that normal people do not have access to, but I digress. This is evidence of religious fragmentation, and the fact the basilica is built over a pagan burial ground is just... well... Quite fitting really. I am still wondering where Nero's ashes are and Alexander the Great's body, but perhaps they are both really lost to history. One can only wonder but again I digress. This shows the pagan mysteries were alive in the 2nd century but were waning, to be covered up entirely by Christianity.



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On the floor of one tomb there is a mosaic showing the symbolic scene of the maiden Proserpina, abducted by Pluto, god of the dark underworld, while she was gathering flowers (Fig. 19). This scene agrees very well with the belief, widespread among the ancients, that the souls off the dead went beneath the earth into the silent kingdom of Avernus, to wonder there, pale shadows, in darkness. On the wall of other tombs are shown idyllic landscapes, or cornucopias overflowing with flowers, fruits and corn: pictures which seem to refer to those far-off isles of the blest to which - according to another idea - the souls set out, anxious to enjoy at last a serene life in a perpetual holiday of light and joy. Other walls of the necropolis show us painted pictures of Psyche and of little Cupids; and these pretty winged beings remind us that, according to an idea fairly common at the time, spirits flew into the sky, to find their final resting place among the stars or in the halo of the moon's silvery light.

Corresponding to this variety of ideas about life beyond the tomb there is a veriety of religious currents which met and mingled at this time. This variety is well demonstrated in the plaster ornaments in the tomb of the Valerii. There, beside Minerva, the wise goddess of Olympus, can be seen Isis, Apollo Harpocrates and Jupiter Dolichenus, three exotic divinities very dear to the Romans of the imperial period; while satyrs and maenads proclaim, with their frenzied dances, the invincible power of that Dionysus-Bacchus whom the pagan society of the time considered a symbol of supreme happiness in earthly life and also in the future world. It might even be said that the religion of Dionysus predominates in this silent city of the dead.
-Margherita Guarducci




https://stpetersbasilica.info/Necropolis/MG/TheTombofStPeter-4.htm#fig19


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Re: Concise version of Psilocybe ser. is Kykeon - Evidence [Re: Blue_Lux]
    #28460183 - 09/06/23 03:42 AM (4 months, 20 days ago)

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Re: Concise version of Psilocybe ser. is Kykeon - Evidence [Re: soppos] * 1
    #28460631 - 09/06/23 03:05 PM (4 months, 19 days ago)

Just some cool mushroom art. The Egyptian one is the temple of Hathor. And the other is a wall fresco from Pompeii. Perhaps the Roman one is just edible mushrooms, Amanita caesarea maybe or chanterelles, I don't know, but I cannot imagine the Romans did not know about psilocybe containing ones. I refuse to even consider that they didn't know. I don't think the Egyptian clear depiction of mushrooms in a spiritual way has any room for an ambiguity of opinion. I love how the birds are painted. I wonder what it would have looked like freshly painted.



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Re: Concise version of Psilocybe ser. is Kykeon - Evidence [Re: CreonAntigone] * 1
    #28460806 - 09/06/23 05:58 PM (4 months, 19 days ago)

Look closely at the inscription of this drawing of Arimanius, the enigmatic ancient Greek God that is associated with The Zoroastrian deity okay. The... I guess this is an ivory sculpture of the same deity, maybe it isn't ivory, but it is from 500ce. I heard Nero had a whole hall of ivory sculptures, and they were painted of different gods, and they were incredibly lifelike, supposedly... Look at the drawing. Look at the words closely
"Valerii" from 190CE ....



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Re: Concise version of Psilocybe ser. is Kykeon - Evidence [Re: CreonAntigone]
    #28460815 - 09/06/23 06:08 PM (4 months, 19 days ago)

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Valeria_gens


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The gens Valeria was a patrician family at ancient Rome, prominent from the very beginning of the Republic to the latest period of the Empire. Publius Valerius Poplicola was one of the consuls in 509 BC, the year that saw the overthrow of the Tarquins, and the members of his family were among the most celebrated statesmen and generals at the beginning of the Republic.

Although one of the most noble and illustrious families of the Roman aristocracy, from the very beginning the Valerii were notable for their advocacy of plebeian causes, and many important laws protecting the rights of the plebeians were sponsored by the Valerii




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Re: Concise version of Psilocybe ser. is Kykeon - Evidence [Re: Blue_Lux]
    #28461075 - 09/06/23 09:23 PM (4 months, 19 days ago)

Okay, I found the actual sculpture. Here it is.



C(aius) VALERI
VS HERACLES PAT(er)
ET C(aii) VALERII
VITALIS ET NICO
MES SACERDO
TES S(ua) P(e)C(unia) P(o)S(ue)R(unt)
D(e)D(icatum) IDI(bus) AVG(ustis) IMP(eratore)
COM(modo)
VI ET
SEPTI
MIANO
CO(n)S(ulibus)

Caius Valerius
Heracles, father,
and Caii Valerii
Vitalis and Nicome(de)s,
priests,
placed it at their own expense.
Dedicated August 13, Emperor
Commodus
for the 6th time and
Septimianus
being
consuls [190 AD].


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Re: Concise version of Psilocybe ser. is Kykeon - Evidence [Re: Blue_Lux]
    #28472210 - 09/17/23 10:12 AM (4 months, 8 days ago)

That sculpture is at the entrance to the Vatican library... hint hint in plain sight


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Re: Concise version of Psilocybe ser. is Kykeon - Evidence [Re: Blue_Lux]
    #28473722 - 09/18/23 12:36 PM (4 months, 7 days ago)

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Re: Concise version of Psilocybe ser. is Kykeon - Evidence [Re: soppos]
    #28474042 - 09/18/23 06:22 PM (4 months, 7 days ago)

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Re: Concise version of Psilocybe ser. is Kykeon - Evidence [Re: soppos]
    #28474859 - 09/19/23 11:12 AM (4 months, 6 days ago)

The reason this is so significant is because the West has been frankly polluted by religion. And this 'pollution' is because the West has a historical spirituality that goes hand in hand with its roots, which is democracy and the overthrow of tyrants. I believe mushrooms require a person to acknowledge others in a way that is the opposite of how sociopaths view others. I do not think the West can survive without a collective spirituality, and I believe atheistic nihilism is exactly what characterizes the dark ages, because the worst rulers did not actually believe the words of their religion: they used it as a means to control the people. Atheism is not necessarily sociopathic or nihilist, but that atheism is something different. The atheism of Richard Dawkins is exactly like that of Einstein, Spinoza, and Lucretius. Superstition is absurd, but beauty, awe and recognition of the inherent importance of knowing something about the world is what the word spiritual means. I see a lot of angry people who feel like people are fragmented. There is a lot of division in this country, and no amount of arguing is going to reconcile this. I really think the only thing that can do this consistently is a psychedelic spirituality. I am convinced the Greeks and Romans had this at one point. I am also convinced it is what has led to democracy and the recognition of each individual as inherently meaningful. I think the loss of a collective spirituality will result in further stratification and support for authoritarians. There is a lot more I could say, but what I am saying isn't really that crazy.


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Re: Concise version of Psilocybe ser. is Kykeon - Evidence [Re: soppos]
    #28474877 - 09/19/23 11:22 AM (4 months, 6 days ago)

I think the evidence speaks for itself: Abrahamic religion was grafted onto the destroyed spirituality that once existed, which had a psychedelic, group experience at its foundation. This has been warped and changed, with all the actually primarily-meaning-giving things removed from it. Abrahamic religion has absolutely no place in a real democracy. And I also think controversially that the 'separation of church and state' is a lie and is used for the same sort of pernicious control. I do not believe spirituality can be separate from the state, because people ought to be on the same page. I am not advocating for a theocracy, which is really atheistic totalitarianism, just like Stalin and Hitler. It involves a supreme ruler who is human. This is not what I am saying. That is because of Platonic influence. People think immediately that it must be a state mandated religion because they have been abused by totalitarian Platonists for centuries, who have perfected brainwashing if you ask me.
The reality is, even as Cicero demonstrated, that religion is one arm of the same thing that is government. The other arm is the state with laws. The two ought to be combined together, and this could be the case with a psychedelic spirituality, because it is a lived experience - no dogma, no lies, no authority pressuring you. Without people together spiritually, there is no way there could ever be a functioning collectivity that actually cares about human rights. Acting as if people can just believe whatever they want is exactly what gives birth to factions and totalitarian, father-like figures that aim to destroy other people they disagree with, because there is nothing central holding them together except words and semblances of meanings.


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Re: Concise version of Psilocybe ser. is Kykeon - Evidence [Re: soppos]
    #28474970 - 09/19/23 12:29 PM (4 months, 6 days ago)

An organized, for-whatever-reason glorified form of slavery and control is not civilization. Anything like this is an affront to civilization. Christianity is great for blind consumerism and unbridled capitalism, because consumerism in a brainwashed population becomes the only thing for the people with any direct, primary meaning aside from hallucination and hysteria. This is a fraud of civilization. It gives the hallucination of civilization. It is a facade. Hysteria and consumerism can be used and is used. Historically, authorities have used art to manufacture consent, and attach important, smart, creative people to the very thing holding civilization back. This is why Michelangelo painted the ignudi against the demands of the church. Da Vinci said he regretted not making more art for people themselves at the end of his life, and he said, basically, he wasted a lot of his life not doing this.
Abrahamic religion and consumerism is not a sufficient substitute. I think it is destroying America. Without Christianity and a brainwashed populace there can be no collective agreement, but Christianity is a lie, so it must be thrown out. Something should not take its place either, because nothing can. Christianity itself took the place of a psychedelic spirituality. This means we have to return to that psychedelos. Constantly seeking to amend is exactly the problem with mental health today, which is centered on mitigating symptoms and not getting to the root cause... which is again the lack of a collective spirituality that people deeply crave, whether they suppress it or not. I think most people want this, but they don't know how to achieve it without the usual Platonic blueprint, which is bureaucratic and really antidemocratic. I think a Platonic democracy is really an oxymoron. Islam is completely totalitarian and ought to be extirpated from the Earth. The rulers of Islamic countries are the most pure form of Evil I think exists, besides Kim Jong and Putin, etc. Etc. Human rights are not an opinion. If people have an ulterior authority, which is strict religion, then their main fidelity is not to the country and to the people.


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Re: Concise version of Psilocybe ser. is Kykeon - Evidence [Re: Blue_Lux] * 1
    #28475001 - 09/19/23 01:17 PM (4 months, 6 days ago)

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Blue_Lux said:
That sculpture is at the entrance to the Vatican library... hint hint in plain sight




Another obvious reference, that the Catholic church refers to the Eucharist as a 'mystery'.


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Re: Concise version of Psilocybe ser. is Kykeon - Evidence [Re: CreonAntigone]
    #28475046 - 09/19/23 02:10 PM (4 months, 6 days ago)

It is so blatant, Creon. I can hardly believe how obvious it really is. Now, who of all people would have a problem with a return to a psychedelic spirituality as I and others have described? Is it not the people who profit from people not having it? Do you think those people would not use every means possible to prevent this? Do you know Brian Muraresku, who wrote the Immortality Key, which was pumped to the population, has never even taken a psychedelic substance? It is totally obvious to me what is happening right now with all the public, popular things being said about psychedelics. People can use the sanitized, clinical approach all they want, but they cannot take away the dismemberment which has occurred, which is the severing of spirituality from the state. Without this, there can only be consistent attempts to mitigate and treatments of symptoms. That is achieved with a constant manufacturing of distractions, many resembling exactly what they do not want people to know about the past, namely Greece and Rome. These distractions are really fraudulent amendments. In so many places there is apparent to me a will of corporatist-Platonist totalitarians (sic) to isolate as many aspects of liberation as possible. Divide and conquer it is called. I think it is also partially a runaway train and people willingly do it blindly and unconsciously. This will, I think, lead to another dark age, additionally because there will likely not be another Einstein/Newton/etc for a couple hundred years.


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Profundæ lātissimæque vēritātēs amandæ sunt, sīc ideo necesse est: rēs maxima amanda est; pōtus sit is bene scīmus cum nōs id adeō explet, cum altō hīc movet īmus: rēs maxima omnis amor.


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