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Re: Concise version of Psilocybe ser. is Kykeon - Evidence [Re: Kiwi89]
#28457817 - 09/03/23 10:47 PM (4 months, 22 days ago) |
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LSA is a deliriant. Res ipsa loquitur
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Re: Concise version of Psilocybe ser. is Kykeon - Evidence [Re: Blue_Lux]
#28457819 - 09/03/23 10:53 PM (4 months, 22 days ago) |
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Blue_Lux said: I think a shroom trip would be perfect right about now.
Psychedelics are not for some people, maybe they are not right for you.
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Re: Concise version of Psilocybe ser. is Kykeon - Evidence [Re: djbabyjesus]
#28457823 - 09/03/23 10:57 PM (4 months, 22 days ago) |
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I like that you are still amused... I'll be here all week. Maybe not. Maybe I will get bored with it again. Regardless, Creon is, whether intentionally or not, putting out information that could get people poisoned with a very unpleasant experience. LSA is not pleasant. It isn't safe.
Imagine if most people knew the Greeks were taking mushrooms at Eleusis for over a thousand years, in the largest temple ever built in ancient Greece, perhaps the largest temple ever built period, and had group, spiritual experiences that gave them a sense of belonging and community. Imagine more if people knew how this was ruined, and how what was left of any of its teachings was used to craft a system of emotional mind control. They would recreate that of their ancestors, and reclaim the spirituality of democracy. The opposite is occuring right now. To constantly reinforce the LSA hypothesis is to reinforce a beaurocracy of opinion, because it is actually not an interesting experience. It makes the Greeks look like savages. Cicero was not inspired by LSA. I see psilocybin in the pages. Est enim primum quod cernitur in universi generis humani societate. This is a psychedelic idea of universality, which goes beyond race, sexuality, and gender. This is the truth that psychedelics show people, and it takes a psychedelic like psilocybin to actually do that. LSA does not cause such experiences. It causes paranoid delusions.
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Re: Concise version of Psilocybe ser. is Kykeon - Evidence [Re: Kiwi89]
#28457825 - 09/03/23 11:01 PM (4 months, 22 days ago) |
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To recommend people a substance that causes paranoid delusions, and to slander the Greeks and Cicero himself as, therefore, a fool, because what caused "cum spe meliore moriendi" would have been some poisonous intoxicant that actually could have caused death in some people... This is not only wreckless but totally unethical. That is why the ancient alchemy hypothesis is so particularly irritating to me. And yes it makes me angry, because the Romans and Greeks have been slandered at ever corner, and their creations used up like a dog licking the remains of the inside of a peanut butter jar.
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Re: Concise version of Psilocybe ser. is Kykeon - Evidence [Re: Blue_Lux]
#28457923 - 09/04/23 04:58 AM (4 months, 22 days ago) |
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Blue_Lux said: I like that you are still amused... I'll be here all week. Maybe not. Maybe I will get bored with it again. Regardless, Creon is, whether intentionally or not, putting out information that could get people poisoned with a very unpleasant experience. LSA is not pleasant. It isn't safe.
Imagine if most people knew the Greeks were taking mushrooms at Eleusis for over a thousand years, in the largest temple ever built in ancient Greece, perhaps the largest temple ever built period, and had group, spiritual experiences that gave them a sense of belonging and community. Imagine more if people knew how this was ruined, and how what was left of any of its teachings was used to craft a system of emotional mind control. They would recreate that of their ancestors, and reclaim the spirituality of democracy. The opposite is occuring right now. To constantly reinforce the LSA hypothesis is to reinforce a beaurocracy of opinion, because it is actually not an interesting experience. It makes the Greeks look like savages. Cicero was not inspired by LSA. I see psilocybin in the pages. Est enim primum quod cernitur in universi generis humani societate. This is a psychedelic idea of universality, which goes beyond race, sexuality, and gender. This is the truth that psychedelics show people, and it takes a psychedelic like psilocybin to actually do that. LSA does not cause such experiences. It causes paranoid delusions.
No, you are spreading misinformation. Read about LSA experiences posted here. I've read maybe 15-20 experiences on LSA posted on this site. In not a single one have I read of 'paranoid delusions'. I read a lot of bodyload nausea, but that is dose-dependent. I have read many enthogenic experiences.
You are speaking about something you don't have any idea about.
LSA is extremely entheogenic in my experience even at low doses. The potion could have used doses around the same as found in 100 seeds, without too many side-effects.
On 60 seeds, I was able to go out and enjoy a concert with enhanced visuals - and then go and socialize with a friend after. No paranoid delusions at all. On certain doses it is safer and more pleasant than weed.
I have seen NO indication of long-term physical damage from LSA seeds, the nausea is confined to the experience. I have never read a study to indicate that, ever, nor a trip report or experience report. So if you are insistent it is toxic, prove it. Provide me that study that says LSA leads to long-term damage, or ever has in any case, ever. There is no such studies (I checked myself). It has an incredible safety record all things considered. It causes ACUTE nausea, that passed after the experience ends.
I'm not saying LSA is without problems, high doses (equivalent to 400 seeds or more) can cause a bad experience and bodyload. But it doesn't cause paranoid delusions, that's something you just made up. High doses will be somewhat sedating - not paranoid, but more prone to sleep. Nausea and purging would be the big physical concerns. I have never read an experience of a paranoid incident induced by it - ever. Provide one and prove your claim, or retract them. I think you made that claim based on no evidence.
First off, there is evidence of priests in the Aztec and Mayan cultures using morning glory seeds - proving that they have historical status as enthogens. If provided from ergot and not morning glory, it'd just be a different source of the same medicine.
Hoffman states that pure LSA creates a 'dreamlike condition'. He says it is characterized by the 'unreality of the outer world'. That's not unsimilar to what some other psychedelics can produce.
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After the discovery of the psychic effects of LSD, I had also tested lysergic acid amide in a self-experiment and established that it likewise evoked a dreamlike condition, but only with about a tenfold to twenty-fold greater dose than LSD. This effect was characterized by a sensation of mental emptiness and the unreality and meaninglessness of the outer world, by enhanced sensitivity of hearing, and by a not unpleasant physical lassitude, which ultimately led to sleep.
The effect he describes is, obviously, enthogenic. And many other morning glory experience reports are the same, including my own. You've never used the substance, yet make assertions as to its effects.
Before you denigrate a drug, actually have a good idea of its possible effects, doses, and indications. You sound a lot more like a DARE counselor right now than a person who is on a forum about harm-reduction in drug use. You don't help people reduce harm by providing them with inaccurate or exaggerated effects regarding the negatives of a drug. You need to understand a drug warts at all - that means only talking about the truth.
The risk of LSA is in possibly a very negative, difficult single experience. It does not, as far as anyone demonstrated, produce any considerable long-term toxicity. No one has ever died from it, or overdosed. It is pretty close to mushrooms in safety, as long as one does not take too much. I'm unconvinced taking too much of these is even worse on average than taking too much mushrooms.
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Re: Concise version of Psilocybe ser. is Kykeon - Evidence [Re: CreonAntigone]
#28458291 - 09/04/23 11:26 AM (4 months, 21 days ago) |
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Perfect response, Creon!
I have tried LSA and I know what the dream like state is however its affects are quite unlike classical psychedelics. This cannot be denied. Furthermore, I do not believe people can consistently get the entheogenic experience with LSA. This is why LSA is made into LSD. I have taken LSD, and it is a lot more powerful than LSA. When I took LSA I took a strong dose in Hawaiian baby woodrose seeds... We I think we scratched off some outer coating and then chewed them up. The taste was the worst thing ever. The nausea was so intense, I thought I was actually going to die. I started kicking my friends window repeatedly laughing hysterically and he had to beg me to stop because I could have broken it and rolled out of a 3rd story window. The visuals existed but they reminded me somewhat of being on diphenhydramine... Very uncomfortable, disorienting, spiky feelings in my body and mind, extremely confusing and my tactile sensations were heightened and I could not get comfortable.
I just don't think that is a safe experience. I have heard other people's stories with LSA and it just isn't comparable to Psilocybin or LSD.
But I want to know more about this seed that was a reward. That does intrigue me.
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Re: Concise version of Psilocybe ser. is Kykeon - Evidence [Re: CreonAntigone]
#28458300 - 09/04/23 11:33 AM (4 months, 21 days ago) |
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Will you, at least, admit that psilocybin is more consistent in delivering the spiritual, psychedelic experience people are looking for? I think to say people can get that with LSA is really giving false hope. Perhaps my experience was an anomaly with LSA... but I honestly fear ever taking it again because of how it made me feel. I was really begging for it to be over. The closed eyed visuals were extremely bright, jagged and fast. I remember seeing pyramids... But the visuals were not nearly as complete... Maybe that is the word I am looking for? Psychedelic visuals on mushrooms run like rivers through wood grain, spirals in pillows and sheets... On LSA I felt like if someone was watching me they would have thought I took flakka.
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Re: Concise version of Psilocybe ser. is Kykeon - Evidence [Re: CreonAntigone]
#28458310 - 09/04/23 11:45 AM (4 months, 21 days ago) |
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If you had never taken a psychedelic before and took LSA you would most likely think afterwards that you understand what a psychedelic experience is... Boy would that be wrong!
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Re: Concise version of Psilocybe ser. is Kykeon - Evidence [Re: CreonAntigone]
#28458317 - 09/04/23 11:57 AM (4 months, 21 days ago) |
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Actually, you know what. I walked home and when I got to bed on LSA because I wanted to sleep it off, I had a recurring nightmare I have had since I was an infant where I am out of my body surrounded by all these buzzing things, and they know I'm there, and it feels like you're doing complex calculations, but you have no human body. And then all of a sudden it changes and it is just me and another at the opposite end of what feels like a tunnel... and we can see each other looking at each other but we are picking up speed toward each other, and we both have fear on our faces, and we can both see everything about each other, and it makes it worse. Finally we collide and I always wake up. Sometimes I have woken up still hallucinating and having the worst tactile feelings. Pillows feel like spiky glass when this happens. I am thankful I haven't had this dream in a few years, but I used to all the time growing up. It was the same dream every time, and the terror in the dream is unlike anything I can describe in this world. LSA brought that upon me that night when I tried to sleep it off.
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Re: Concise version of Psilocybe ser. is Kykeon - Evidence [Re: CreonAntigone]
#28458366 - 09/04/23 12:45 PM (4 months, 21 days ago) |
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I have tripped on a psychedelic probably 50 times. I have done LSD, psilocybin, and DMT. I have also tried 25i, 25d and 25cNbome. I took 25d probably 7 times. It really isn't a bad experience, but I wouldn't recommend it because I have heard it can be dangerous. 25C nbome I think was the most powerful I ever tried from one tab alone, although the taste was pretty bad. 25D the taste is not good either. 25i the taste was so bad... I had a bad trip from 25i. I was laying in the grass expecting to actually die from that. The only other bad trip I have had was from LSA. And it has everything to do with the body load, the tactile discomfort, and restless legs... There is no way the Greeks could have controlled that in a few thousand people... Would there not have been complete pandemonium? Something like psilocybin seems MUCH more able to be controlled in a large group setting, and the discomfort is basically nonexistent when compared to LSA, at least in my experience.
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Re: Concise version of Psilocybe ser. is Kykeon - Evidence [Re: CreonAntigone]
#28458378 - 09/04/23 12:59 PM (4 months, 21 days ago) |
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I mean, I took 7.5 grams of dried cubensis with my husband, and he took over 9 grams. He weighs more than me but still.. Totally smooth sailing. I can handle a very strong dose of psychedelics. LSA is not fit for human consumption. Why someone would prefer that over mushrooms is beyond me. It makes me skeptical of whether you are being honest.
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Re: Concise version of Psilocybe ser. is Kykeon - Evidence [Re: CreonAntigone]
#28458404 - 09/04/23 01:23 PM (4 months, 21 days ago) |
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LSD and Psilocybin are intellectually stimulating. There is even evidence now that it actually does increase your intelligence. It actually heals the brain, in a number of ways, but not just immediately... You have to go through the experience to have the neurological change occur, and if you fight it, it will not happen. I have seen the most beautiful geometrical patterns on psilocybin and lsd and dmt. It is really astonishing how miraculous it is, in colors like pink, purple, orange, green... LSA was nothing like that. I haven't fought a psychedelic experience as much as I fought the LSA. Needless to say, I will never take it again.
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Re: Concise version of Psilocybe ser. is Kykeon - Evidence [Re: Blue_Lux] 1
#28458429 - 09/04/23 01:40 PM (4 months, 21 days ago) |
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I can admit admit psilocybin is more consistent in how we evaluate it today. But, that's in the modern day when we are aware what a drug is, that it's just an exogenous effect. The mass of citizens, as far as we know, didn't know all the details and may not have known a drug was even administered. (Part of why it was a scandal when Alcibiades appropriated the intoxicating agent). My point is before the modern day, those physically unpleasant symptoms may not have been seen as bad - they could be signs of 'contact with the god'.
Certain doses of psilocybin can cause problems that are similar - at 5 grams or more one will find it difficult to move, one may feel strange feelings in the muscles. I'd say with psilocybin, lower doses are a bit more effective and one can use a dose that is more likely to cause a trip without as much body burden; whereas LSA requires a body burden to get to the really psychoactive doses. So that's a comparative advantage of psilocybin, in medicine they'd call that a larger 'therapeutic window', eg a window of doses in which the medicine is effective and not harmful.
But some considerations in that regard are
1. It is a polydrug combination in any case, with the addition of pennyroyal. I've tried pennyroyal alone and mixed with cannabis. It is stimulating and seems to make other psychedelic effects stronger, as an amplifier. It may be LSA plus pennyroyal is the key. Even if it's psilocybin though, it'd have to be psilocybin plus pennyroyal.
2. In my experience with LSA, taking low doses over subsequent days gave me a tolerance to the physical bodyload effects. It could be that they administered low doses of the drug in the days leading up to the event, and evaluated the effects - a person who couldn't handle it would be given a lower dose or perhaps a dummy potion just for placebo, which actually does a lot on its own.
I think in some people even low doses of mushrooms can cause effects that are similar - judging from what I've read. Mushrooms may be less likely to cause it, but I think any psychedelic more or less can cause restless feelings in the muscles and nightmares. The point is, side effects couldn't be managed entirely on any psychoactive drug, given the unpredictability. I imagine people were regularly falling over after the administration or laying/sitting down - and that would be the case even if it was psilocybin I think.
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Re: Concise version of Psilocybe ser. is Kykeon - Evidence [Re: CreonAntigone]
#28458525 - 09/04/23 03:27 PM (4 months, 21 days ago) |
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You make some fair and good points, CA. Nicely done. 
Although, I would just add, at least in my own experience, that the efx associated with (relatively) 'higher' doses of psychedelic fungi, as in dry 3.5 ~ 5.5 gram range of things - oftentimes/sometimes can be devoid of so-called debilitating efx - that is, wrt healthy/normal body function.
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Re: Concise version of Psilocybe ser. is Kykeon - Evidence [Re: Blue_Lux]
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Taking bets now to when the concise version surpasses the original version in size.
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Re: Concise version of Psilocybe ser. is Kykeon - Evidence [Re: Northerner]
#28458896 - 09/04/23 09:01 PM (4 months, 21 days ago) |
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Eating a mango and then smoking 30 minutes later works. Well. It was 45 minutes. And I'm realizing that now ...
As for the thread... after Creon showed up

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Re: Concise version of Psilocybe ser. is Kykeon - Evidence [Re: CreonAntigone]
#28459044 - 09/05/23 12:31 AM (4 months, 21 days ago) |
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The great majority and the wisest of men hold this opinion: they believe that there are two gods, rivals as it were, the one the Artificer of good and the other of evil. There are also those who call the better one a god and the other a daemon, as, for example, Zoroaster the sage, who, they record, lived five thousand years before the time of the Trojan War. He called the one Oromazes and the other Areimanius; and he further declared that among all the things perceptible to the senses, Oromazes may best be compared to light, and Areimanius, conversely, to darkness and ignorance, and midway between the two is Mithras: for this reason the Persians give to Mithras the name of "Mediator." Zoroaster has also taught that men should make votive offerings and thank-offerings to Oromazes, and averting and mourning offerings to Areimanius. They pound up in a mortar a certain plant called omomi at the same time invoking Hades and Darkness; then they mix it with the blood of a wolf that has been sacrificed, and carry it out and cast it into a place where the sun never shines. In fact, they believe that some of the plants belong to the good god and others to the evil daemon; so also of the animals they think that dogs, fowls, and hedgehogs, for example, belong to the good god, but that water-rats belong to the evil one; therefore the man who has killed the most of these they hold to be fortunate. Plutarch, Isis and Osiris, 46
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Re: Concise version of Psilocybe ser. is Kykeon - Evidence [Re: Blue_Lux]
#28459047 - 09/05/23 12:38 AM (4 months, 21 days ago) |
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There were repeated revivals and degenerations. Marcus Aurelius rebuilt the temple even larger during his reign in 170 AD. In doing so he became perhaps the only lay person, non-priest, to ever enter the sacred chamber, the anaktoron.
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Disaster struck when the Telesterion was destroyed in 170 CE by the Costobocs. The temple was rebuilt during the reign of Marcus Aurelius (161-180 CE), and the Roman emperor also oversaw the construction of a monumental gate, an exact copy of the Propylaea of the Athenian acropolis. Other Roman additions included a gymnasium, hostels, and baths. The sanctuary's fortunes declined significantly following the decree of Theodosius I to close down all pagan sites in 379 CE, and Eleusis was destroyed around 395 CE following the invasion of the Visigoths. The town continued to exist for a few more centuries, but the glory days when she enjoyed Pan-Hellenic stature were never to be regained.
So the temple was rebuilt around the year Hippolytus was born. It was only really during the christian suppression that the mystery fully died - because the class of priests kept the traditions and secrets alive before then.
Edited by CreonAntigone (09/05/23 12:47 AM)
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Re: Concise version of Psilocybe ser. is Kykeon - Evidence [Re: CreonAntigone]
#28459541 - 09/05/23 01:30 PM (4 months, 20 days ago) |
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They pound up in a mortar a certain plant called omomi at the same time invoking Hades and Darkness; then they mix it with the blood of a wolf that has been sacrificed, and carry it out and cast it into a place where the sun never shines. In fact, they believe that some of the plants belong to the good god and others to the evil daemon;
What is Omomi? And is ancient Zoroastrianism associated with the Eleusinian rites? What do you think about this from Plutarch. I do not agree with Plutarch's philosophy; I'm just curious.
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