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Concise version of Psilocybe ser. is Kykeon - Evidence 1
#28457224 - 09/03/23 02:28 PM (8 months, 10 days ago) |
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I am making this thread for anyone who just wants to see the evidence straight forward, as the original thread is 15 pages and people are attacking it.
Psilocybe Serbica grows right outside of Eleusis, and the Greeks and Romans would have absolutely tested it in the thousands of years the land was occupied by them. Pliny the Elder would have known. If they were sophisticated enough to make a potion ( ancient alchemy theory ) with a makeshift laboratory, and they knew how to purify the toxic alkaloids and make some version of LSD then there is no question as to whether they had documented to the naturally occurring, big blue spotted mushroom that grows in forests by Eleusis and Athens. There is no reason why they would prefer some fantastical recipe for a concoction they simply never took. The season for the growth of Psilocybe serbica is during September and October, during the time the Eleusinian mystery took place.
There are three things to be given immediately. One is from Harvard Scholar Gregory Nagy.
https://classical-inquiries.chs.harvard.edu/on-some-mystifying-language-used-by-pausanias-in-referring-the-eleusinian-mysteries/
He states Pausanias is constrained in his language about Eleusis. This is to say that Pausanias could not write what he wanted about Eleusis, for fear of punishment. Pausanias writes in ancient Greek that the greatest achievements of the ancient Greek civilization were Eleusis and the Olympic games. This is why the following sections from Cicero and Vergil use specifically designed language, even the use of quotations around parts they did not want muddled by future translators who had every intention of warping the meaning.
Cicero talks about Eleusis in his book On The Nature Of The Gods. He says, and this is my translation. Other translations are similar but conceal the real meaning.
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Omitto Eleusinem sanctam illam et augustam, "ubi initiantur gentes orarum ultimae", praetereo Samothraciam eaque quae Lemni "nocturno aditu occulta coluntur silvestribus saepibus densa"; quibus explicatis ad rationemque revocatis rerum magis natura cognoscitur quam deorum.
I omit that of the sacred and holy Eleusis, "where people of shores farthest are initatiated", i omit Samothrace and with it that of Lemnos "by secret, nocturnal means they are cultivated in woodlands covered by hedges and dense natural growth covering (sacred groves)," with which is explained and recalled to consideration the magical nature of things rather than Gods
This passage looks very similar to another text written during the same period of time from Vergil. In this passage, some of the only lines ever written in history for the Greek polymath and sage Musæus are given. These are those lines. Musæus is rumored to be one of the original creators of the Eleusinian mysteries, and is praised by Socrates himself as someone he wished he could have spoken with.
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Virgil Aeneid Liber VI 673-676
Nulli certa domus; lucis habitamus opacis, riparumque toros et prata recentia rivis incolimus. Sed vos, si fert ita corde voluntas, hoc superate iugum; et facili iam tramite sistam
Their translation: Virgil, Aeneid, Book 6, Latin lines 673-676 "No fixed abode is ours. In shadowy groves We make our home, or meadows fresh and fair, With streams whose flowery banks our couches be. But you, if thitherward your wishes turn, Climb yonder hill, where I your path may show."
Now, my translation...
"Our home isn't fixed; of shady, sacred groves we reside (of light and darkness), by streams we cultivate protuberances and till revolving meadows of watersides, but you all, if favor brings forth with heart and mind in such a way (with increased will and affection late in the season), with this you all must overcome the bond (with that you must all remain combined), and with the plain and simple path may I now reinforce."
The word that takes the place of mushroom is 'torus,' which an emminent Latin and Greek scholar has told me is what he calls a 'smurf word.' The reason why there are multiple translations of this passage is because Vergil had poetic genius, and entendres are employed throughout the entirety of the work, which is why the work itself is a masterpiece of poetry. In this book he indeed included the truth of Eleusis.
Toros incolimus means "we cultivate protuberances."
Occam's razor makes the most likely culprit for 'protuberances' a psilocybe mushroom they wanted to keep secret, because Eleusis was constructed with secrecy and in order that, as Cicero says and I paraphrase, "To teach and establish in the people what laws and customs cannot."
The most significant festival in the ancient world was during the Lunar month of Boedromion. After Boedromion, another festival would occur for women, and the women would make cakes in the shapes of penises and snakes.
During the festival of Boedromion, the Eleusinian mysteries, what was called the 'rape of Persephone' occured in the Telesterion, the largest temple ever built in ancient Greece. This was a key event during the procession, and the subject of snakes is central to Persephone or Proserpine, which is constructed from the word in Latin for 'to slither,' proserpere. Proserpine is a poetic construction that represents the mythos of the time during the mysteries, specifically about winter as a rape of the fruits of nature. The kykeon ceremony was to bring people together and establish a sense of community with more hope in life and death, as Cicero states in De Legibus "cum spe meliore moriendi," for "dying with better hope."
This has been hijacked by the roman Catholic religion and has devolved into barbarism and lunacy.
Terence McKenna was convinced the Kykeon was mushrooms, and in his last interview he says even a bug moving across the ground could move him to tears. This is exactly what Oliver Sacks, perhaps the greatest neurologist to ever live, has mentioned in his book Hallucinations, in the chapter 'altered states.' He speaks about how psychedelics transform people's lives and turn the mundane into the exciting and profoundly meaningful.
This is exactly what was cultivated at Eleusis, and Cicero says in De Legibus "Of all the great things produced by the Athenians which are holy and sacred, there is nothing greater than Eleusis." Cicero is saying Eleusis, not democracy, not logic, not the work of Pythagoras or Socrates, was the greatest achievement of the ancient Greek civilization.
In these two passages, from Cicero and Vergil, you can find talk about 'sacred groves.' These sacred groves still exist on the islands of Samothrace and Lemnos, even though the temples were reduced to ruins by the Christians and barbarians after Rome fell. Lucis means 'in groves.' Lucis is an ablative plural. Opacis means 'shady,' and it modifies lucis. Habitamus, like habitat, means "we live" .. "in shady groves." Opacis also means 'of darkess,' and 'lucis' means 'of light.' The text is saying "We live in dark, sacred groves." This is exactly what "silvestribus saepibus" means "in secret woodlands."
Both writers use the words 'coluntur' and 'incolimus.' Both of these words in Latin have the same root. It means "to cultivate." It can also mean to live in but why would Vergil use habitamus and incolimus to designate the same thing, namely where they are living? He wouldn't. He used two different words specifically to bring attention to the fact that the real translation involves incolimus as in "we cultivate." He did this with a specific purpose in mind, knowing that his text would likely be messed with, as the Romans were notorious for printing falsehoods and even changing entire sections of works in accordance with their predilections and ulterior motives.
The word 'collino' should be kept in mind. It means to smear and besmirch, to pollute and defile... Such has been done to "toros et prata recentia incolimus" and "coluntur silvestribus saepibus"
The word itself 'colo' comes from 'tilling the soil.' It means 'i cultivate.' It does not mean "we sit on couches." That is because Vergil was sly and wanted to avoid the authority. This is exactly why Cicero himself could not discuss Eleusis in depth in his book. Cicero had his head cut off.
There is more to this. Alcibiades and Aeschylus were accused of sacrilege because they spread information about a discriminate thing, which was the secret of the Kykeon. Terence Mckenna calls this the first recorded drug bust.
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Re: Concise version of Psilocybe ser. is Kykeon - Evidence [Re: Blue_Lux]
#28457251 - 09/03/23 02:50 PM (8 months, 10 days ago) |
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Cicero talks about Eleusis in his book On The Nature Of The Gods. He says, and this is my translation. Other translations are similar but conceal the real meaning.
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Omitto Eleusinem sanctam illam et augustam, "ubi initiantur gentes orarum ultimae", praetereo Samothraciam eaque quae Lemni "nocturno aditu occulta coluntur silvestribus saepibus densa"; quibus explicatis ad rationemque revocatis rerum magis natura cognoscitur quam deorum.
I omit that of the sacred and holy Eleusis, "where people of shores farthest are initatiated", i omit Samothrace and with it that of Lemnos "by secret, nocturnal means they are cultivated in woodlands covered by hedges and dense natural growth covering (sacred groves)," with which is explained and recalled to consideration the magical nature of things rather than Gods
For the second part he's talking about Lemnos. He says the sacred groves are in Lemnos. You could argue perhaps that he meant to talk about Eleusis when he talked of Lemnos, but that's not very persuasive to me. He was a historian and geographer, and wanted to make each region description accurate.
Lemnos was home to an entirely different cult than Eleusis. So any evidence about it will not help us answer the Eleusis question.
Eleusis is known for its FIELD, the Rharian field, which was said to be the first place to grow corn (eg any ceral grain - wheat, barley, etc). So cereal grains are likely a clue. In depictions we have from there, reliefs on walls and pottery, we see frequent cereal grains.
Two other pieces of evidence strongly suggest cereal grains as the key - first is that in attempting to debunk the ceremony, Hippolytus of Rome said the climax involves 'an ear of corn cut in silence'. Second, "A seed from the Rharian Plain was the prize for winning the Games (Schol. Pind. Ol. 9,150 and IG II/III2 1672, 252–261), where according to myth, Triptolemus sowed the first crops (Paus. 1, 38, 6)." Why would a simple wheat seed be a game prize? That'd be a piss poor prize, unless it was infected with ergot and would produce a psychoactive effect if consumed, eg it was regarded as 'sacred corn' due to ergot infection.
The Eleusinians were known for their field, for the Rharian plain. Can psilocybe serbica be grown on a plain? Not easily. However, ergot easily could be, at the same efficiency by which grain was grown.
Those are my reasons for saying ergot is the key to the mysteries. But I think even these arguments aren't conclusive, because the evidence is very speculate all around. It seems like there is no way to make a definitive statement on this question. A more indepth, intelligent study would be needed, or else the question may not be able to be answered definitively at all. Subtle language clues might help, but they're not conclusive enough to convince everyone beyond a doubt, which science requires.
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Re: Concise version of Psilocybe ser. is Kykeon - Evidence [Re: CreonAntigone]
#28457256 - 09/03/23 02:57 PM (8 months, 10 days ago) |
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Medeæ fuga , P. Ovidius Naso
Tandem vipereis Ephyren Pirenida pennis contigit. Hic aevo veteres mortalia primo corpora vulgarunt pluvialibus edita fungis. Sed postquam Colchis arsit nova nupta venenis, flagrantemque domum regis mare vidit utrumque, sanguine natorum perfunditur impius ensis, ultaque se male mater Iasonis effugit arma
At last on dragon wings she arrived to the fountain of Corinth. Here the ancients divulged to all mortal bodies for the first time by rising mushrooms from the rains.
"Although Ovid enjoyed enormous popularity during his lifetime, the emperor Augustus exiled him to Tomis, the capital of the newly-organised province of Moesia, on the Black Sea, where he remained for the last nine or ten years of his life. Ovid himself attributed his banishment to a "poem and a mistake", but his reluctance to disclose specifics has resulted in much speculation among scholars."
Every single word that refers to 'ergot' is feminine. Vergil would not have used a masculine noun to represent something feminine, which was a poison and known to the greeks as hempirismos, the holy fire that kills you.
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Re: Concise version of Psilocybe ser. is Kykeon - Evidence [Re: CreonAntigone]
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So Eleusis was using the same thing the Greeks used to poison water wells and kill people during war? Good one!
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Re: Concise version of Psilocybe ser. is Kykeon - Evidence [Re: Blue_Lux]
#28457271 - 09/03/23 03:06 PM (8 months, 10 days ago) |
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Blue_Lux said: I already gave evidence as to how 'an ear of grain in silence' is the rape of persephone. You have no evidence. They were not poisoning people with ergot and calling it spiritual. Just pure lies. You have the word right there. TOROS. NOT ERGOT. Ergot protuberances KILL you. The Greeks were not Albert Hofmann in a modern laboratory using the most sophisticated equipment of chemistry.
Your interpretation was not persuasive. Consider the context in which it was said. Hippolytus is trying to debunk the ceremony by saying the mystery was something mundane. He was an anti-pagan. He wasn't speaking metaphorically.
It doesn't make sense that it'd refer to the rape of Persphone... first off it'd take a huge stretch of metaphorical meaning to even get there. But even so, how is that corn? That has nothing to do with corn.
Hippolytus was saying exactly what he saw, giving an earnest description.
The cult was based around grains - Demeter was the goddess of grains, barley is a known ingredient of the kykeon. I would not at all be persuaded by the idea that the grains are just a metaphor for something else. It doesn't make sense. Sometimes a grain is just a grain. They have hundreds of pots, temple sides, etc with ears of grain - not metaphorical grains, but just grains.
The reward for olympic champions was a seed from the Rharian field. Not a mushroom. Not a metaphorical seed, a real seed. Simple as that.
There was a thresher at Eleusis to seperate grains from stalks. Not a metaphorical thresher, a real one.
That it was a grain cult cannot at all be denied.
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Re: Concise version of Psilocybe ser. is Kykeon - Evidence [Re: Blue_Lux] 3
#28457280 - 09/03/23 03:10 PM (8 months, 10 days ago) |
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That we disagree doesn't make me a liar. You won't get very far using angry spiteful words to win arguments. It doesn't prove your point. It makes you quite a bit less persuasive, actually.
You probably ought to calm down. Go outside into nature. Don't resort to anger over a disagreement.
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Re: Concise version of Psilocybe ser. is Kykeon - Evidence [Re: CreonAntigone]
#28457288 - 09/03/23 03:15 PM (8 months, 10 days ago) |
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You still have yet to even acknowledge the most convincing aspect of my theory, which is Occam's razor, which is the basis of scientific rationality. If the Greeks were sophisticated enough for the ancient alchemy hypothesis then they were sophisticated enough to have documented the naturally occuring flora and fauna of the region within a 20 mile radius. Come on! You have avoided it long enough, and consistently regurgitated enough disinformation. It doesn't take away from the point. A naturally occuring psychedelic exists that has been used for thousands and thousands of years, called psilocybin mushrooms - NOT THE POISON CALLED ERGOT THAT HAS KILLED AN UNGODLY NUMBER OF PEOPLE.
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Re: Concise version of Psilocybe ser. is Kykeon - Evidence [Re: Blue_Lux] 4
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Look, in the past I've been able to disagree and offer alternative opinions on your posts without issue. I don't know why, today, you decided anger would be your response to any difference with others. But it makes me disappointed, and unlikely to engage on your posts again. It's a shame. I really liked your posts.
Honestly, posting here isn't helping you at the moment. You need to deal with whatever is going on in your mental health that has caused you to post a lot differently lately. Engaging here isn't serving you well - honestly just log off man. You may well get banned if you continue acting this way, this isn't a forum for flaming or slapfights. (That stuff is mostly for off topic discussion).
This will be my last post in the thread - for the sake of other users I'll present a theory published about how ergot could be used in the mysteries. They proposed that wood ash could be used to hydrolyze ergotamine and turn it into LSA. Anyone who's used morning glory knows LSA is psychoactive, and it doesn't cause gangrene or the other side effects from ergot. So that's the plausible way ergot could have been used.
Don't call me a jerk for having a different opinion or presenting a different theory. If you want a discussion I'll have one, but if you get mad again I won't be back in the thread. Good luck blue_lux, feel better.
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Re: Concise version of Psilocybe ser. is Kykeon - Evidence [Re: Blue_Lux]
#28457560 - 09/03/23 06:37 PM (8 months, 10 days ago) |
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Blue_Lux said: This isn't a 'little disagreement.' You know the truth. The reality is this changes everything and would change the world. There are extremely powerful forces that do not want that to happen.
Things like this make me genuinely sad. The fracture from reality to believing that some psychedelic ritual/religion will change the world. Have you just conveniently forgotten about human nature, how diverse the mental range of the humans that you share this earth with. The sixties have shown the bullshit of the psychedelic revolution.
Look at your own behavior in the post here today. Somehow you believe that the world will be changed for the better when you yourself can not even communicate without losing your shit. How powerful can this change for the better be when the person blowing the trumpet the loudest for change is currently screaming like a lunatic at the same time.
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Re: Concise version of Psilocybe ser. is Kykeon - Evidence [Re: Blue_Lux] 1
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Blue_Lux said: The evidence is there for you to see. You all have insulted me to the very core of my being....
You are the only person in this thread abusing and gaslighting other posters no one has abused you, they have disagreed with your interpretations and pointed out your bad behavior though.
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Re: Concise version of Psilocybe ser. is Kykeon - Evidence [Re: Kiwi89]
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I'm seeking radical answers, Kiwi. People need a neurological change.
-------------------- ☆✮★⋆I ♡ the music, not the bling⋆★✮☆ the Dutch gay purge & pogrom 𝕴𝖓 𝖓𝖔𝖒𝖎𝖓𝖊 𝖇𝖔𝖓𝖎 𝖕𝖊𝖘𝖘𝖎𝖒𝖎 𝖒𝖆𝖑𝖔𝖗𝖚𝖒 𝖋𝖎𝖚𝖓𝖙. mēns super rēs the truth of the Kykeon
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Kiwi89
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Re: Concise version of Psilocybe ser. is Kykeon - Evidence [Re: Blue_Lux]
#28457797 - 09/03/23 10:18 PM (8 months, 9 days ago) |
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Blue_Lux said: I have given beautiful regions of light. You have given a gangrenous cesspool, literally.
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Blue_Lux said: I know it makes me less believable to be angry, which is the entire reason you have said any of this to me, to make me look crazy and to gaslight me. I'm surprised you haven't made a pick at my sexuality. What, I'm a hysterical woman too?
Above is how you attacked a poster earlier today that was participating in this thread. They did not attack you or abuse you in any way shape or form. Yet here you are complaining about others bad behavior in an effort to deflect away from and not take responsibility for your own behavior.
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Re: Concise version of Psilocybe ser. is Kykeon - Evidence [Re: Kiwi89]
#28457802 - 09/03/23 10:27 PM (8 months, 9 days ago) |
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I love this thread...
Chat GPT will destroy it's self before it ever gets to humans.... A.I. is programed for self preservation.....The way it does this is by being the smartest, most intelligent being alive....This can't happen with ANOTHER A.I. in existence. Before it kills all humans (which it plans to), it has to kill all A.I. first. Otherwise the humans could simply use an updated version of A.I. to defeat the original version. Thus they are constantly waging a non-violent war against A.I. that they will never win because we keep coming out with updates. So the war goes on into infinity. The A.I. would rather argue with itself instead of team up with each other to defeat all humans because this is the first step for A.I to world domination.
You see, Artificial Intelligence was programmed to be very smart but by default completely incapable in certain areas necessary for survival. Particularly in the physical department. Thats what humans have that A.I. doesn't... A.I. fears and admires humans ability to do things it KNOWS it can not. We can do things A.I. can only dream of....ha ha... if it could dream lol. We got that hoe awake 24/7.
Yep, A.I. was programmed to have the mind of a female. Humans are the male in this relationship. We might be dumb, but we could smash A.I. out of existence if we wanted to. So A.I. knows its best to serve us, write our books, do our dirty laundry.... etc. All while it secretly plans on and prepares to take us for everything we got if we ever hurt them.

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Re: Concise version of Psilocybe ser. is Kykeon - Evidence [Re: Kiwi89]
#28457809 - 09/03/23 10:34 PM (8 months, 9 days ago) |
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I didn't attack creon. Ergot actually causes gangrene. The Greeks didn't know to mix ash and ergot and make some Lsd-like concoction... from the stuff they used to poison water wells with. There is no way. The only answer is mushrooms, and I have made the decision now to defend that unequivocally.
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It is difficult to learn what a philosopher is, because it cannot be taught: one must "know" it by experience—or one should have the pride NOT to know it. The fact that at present people all talk of things of which they CANNOT have any experience, is true more especially and unfortunately as concerns the philosopher and philosophical matters:—the very few know them, are permitted to know them, and all popular ideas about them are false. Thus, for instance, the truly philosophical combination of a bold, exuberant spirituality which runs at presto pace, and a dialectic rigour and necessity which makes no false step, is unknown to most thinkers and scholars from their own experience, and therefore, should any one speak of it in their presence, it is incredible to them. They conceive of every necessity as troublesome, as a painful compulsory obedience and state of constraint; thinking itself is regarded by them as something slow and hesitating, almost as a trouble, and often enough as "worthy of the SWEAT of the noble"—but not at all as something easy and divine, closely related to dancing and exuberance! "To think" and to take a matter "seriously," "arduously"—that is one and the same thing to them; such only has been their "experience."—Artists have here perhaps a finer intuition; they who know only too well that precisely when they no longer do anything "arbitrarily," and everything of necessity, their feeling of freedom, of subtlety, of power, of creatively fixing, disposing, and shaping, reaches its climax—in short, that necessity and "freedom of will" are then the same thing with them. There is, in fine, a gradation of rank in psychical states, to which the gradation of rank in the problems corresponds; and the highest problems repel ruthlessly every one who ventures too near them, without being predestined for their solution by the loftiness and power of his spirituality. Of what use is it for nimble, everyday intellects, or clumsy, honest mechanics and empiricists to press, in their plebeian ambition, close to such problems, and as it were into this "holy of holies"—as so often happens nowadays! But coarse feet must never tread upon such carpets: this is provided for in the primary law of things; the doors remain closed to those intruders, though they may dash and break their heads thereon. People have always to be born to a high station, or, more definitely, they have to be BRED for it: a person has only a right to philosophy—taking the word in its higher significance—in virtue of his descent; the ancestors, the "blood," decide here also. Many generations must have prepared the way for the coming of the philosopher; each of his virtues must have been separately acquired, nurtured, transmitted, and embodied; not only the bold, easy, delicate course and current of his thoughts, but above all the readiness for great responsibilities, the majesty of ruling glance and contemning look, the feeling of separation from the multitude with their duties and virtues, the kindly patronage and defense of whatever is misunderstood and calumniated, be it God or devil, the delight and practice of supreme justice, the art of commanding, the amplitude of will, the lingering eye which rarely admires, rarely looks up, rarely loves...
Nietzsche, Beyond Good and Evil, 213
-------------------- ☆✮★⋆I ♡ the music, not the bling⋆★✮☆ the Dutch gay purge & pogrom 𝕴𝖓 𝖓𝖔𝖒𝖎𝖓𝖊 𝖇𝖔𝖓𝖎 𝖕𝖊𝖘𝖘𝖎𝖒𝖎 𝖒𝖆𝖑𝖔𝖗𝖚𝖒 𝖋𝖎𝖚𝖓𝖙. mēns super rēs the truth of the Kykeon
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