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Re: So did anyone actually "cure" their depression with shrooms? [Re: Socrateshroom]
    #28437236 - 08/17/23 02:23 PM (5 months, 9 days ago)

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Too many people want to jump 15% at a time so when it doesn't happen, people give up. And that cycle repeats ad infinitum, sadly, in a majority of people. But if they could just accept 1% at a time, they'd achieve it all after a long and fulfilling life.

Perhaps that's the meaning of our lives as journeys. To walk marginally closer to "God" every day (And I use "God" as a stand-in for the indescribable all at the end of complete spiritual, emotional and physical self-actualization). And the end of a life is simply the end of a long and beautiful walk.




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Re: So did anyone actually "cure" their depression with shrooms? [Re: shed light]
    #28441849 - 08/21/23 02:23 PM (5 months, 5 days ago)

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Too many people want to jump 15% at a time so when it doesn't happen, people give up. And that cycle repeats ad infinitum, sadly, in a majority of people. But if they could just accept 1% at a time, they'd achieve it all after a long and fulfilling life.

Perhaps that's the meaning of our lives as journeys. To walk marginally closer to "God" every day (And I use "God" as a stand-in for the indescribable all at the end of complete spiritual, emotional and physical self-actualization). And the end of a life is simply the end of a long and beautiful walk.




You've a way with words, my friend.




Thank you friend! Language has such psychedelic capability, it can move the unmovable, deceive the believer and bring faith to the forlorn. And I love to play with it, to mold it. Next to psychedelics, language as an art form is the most powerful agent for altering perception in my life.


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Re: So did anyone actually "cure" their depression with shrooms? [Re: Socrateshroom]
    #28442870 - 08/22/23 02:05 PM (5 months, 4 days ago)

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Thank you friend! Language has such psychedelic capability, it can move the unmovable, deceive the believer and bring faith to the forlorn. And I love to play with it, to mold it. Next to psychedelics, language as an art form is the most powerful agent for altering perception in my life.




Cool way of seeing it.  I've always looked at language academically.  From a linguistic/evolutionary standpoint.  It's been a lifelong interest/hobby but I guess it never occurred to me that I could wield it as well as study it.  Maybe the closest thing we have to "magic."  Simply uttering sounds with specific intonations can spur people to anger or joy.  Can manipulate and alter the course of history.  Weird.


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Re: So did anyone actually "cure" their depression with shrooms? [Re: shed light]
    #28443645 - 08/23/23 09:33 AM (5 months, 3 days ago)

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Thank you friend! Language has such psychedelic capability, it can move the unmovable, deceive the believer and bring faith to the forlorn. And I love to play with it, to mold it. Next to psychedelics, language as an art form is the most powerful agent for altering perception in my life.




Cool way of seeing it.  I've always looked at language academically.  From a linguistic/evolutionary standpoint.  It's been a lifelong interest/hobby but I guess it never occurred to me that I could wield it as well as study it.  Maybe the closest thing we have to "magic."  Simply uttering sounds with specific intonations can spur people to anger or joy.  Can manipulate and alter the course of history.  Weird.




Crazy, eh? The power of language (and even mere uttered sound without association) is boundless. Terrence Mckenna had a love of language, which shows in how incredibly he articulates himself in his books. And he was absolutely right. Language is psychedelic. And just like a trip, it's experienced differently by everyone.

But not to derail this thread, I'll bring it back to OP's dilemma.

OP, talk therapy is also relatively effective at helping depression. It's why the most effective therapy utilizing mushrooms is with a therapist/guide who helps during the trip but, most importantly, helps afterwards to integrate through the use of talk therapy with the patient.

How are you doing OP? Have things improved?


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Re: So did anyone actually "cure" their depression with shrooms? [Re: Socrateshroom]
    #28451288 - 08/29/23 03:26 PM (4 months, 28 days ago)

Sadly not.

I've had depression since injuring my back at age 19 (I'm 48 now). I've been on-and-off (but mostly on) anti-depressants since age 25.

In 2021 I tried microdosing Liberty Caps (I live in the UK). I picked them myself (a process which I absolutely loved and found to be therapeutic in itself). A few 'verified' users on The Shroomery confirmed for me that they were indeed Liberty Caps.

A brief history - I had done LSD between the ages of 16 and 18 years old, 11 times in total - this had been among some of the best and the worst experiences of my life. I smoked weed for about 15 years and I took Ecstasy / MDMA 15 times during my 20s and 30s, so I had a fair bit of psychedelic experience under my belt. This stuff was many years ago however.

This was actually the first time that I'd ever tried shrooms though. So, I gradually tapered off of my meds and then I went meds-free for about 2 months before finally working up the courage to start microdosing.

On day 1, I ate literally just 1 single Liberty Cap (a VERY micro dose) just to be as safe as possible. I went out walking in nature and I listened to The Shamen on headphones. The only thing that I really noticed was a slightly increased level of detail to the music. I was noticing things in the music that I'd never noticed before, despite having listened to these songs probably hundreds of times over the years. Subtle noises in the background, that sort of thing. Anyway, I came home and felt fine and went about my business.

On day 2, I had gotten into a foul mood in the morning because of some chores which had irritated my back, but I had calmed down by lunchtime. I took 2 Liberty Caps this time and once again went out walking in nature. This time, the effect was still subtle, but I definitely felt a shift in perception. When I looked at the ground, I could see every single, individual blade of grass and the green colour was especially vibrant. When I looked out across the meadow, a subtle, pleasant "wave" pattern was moving through the long, dry grass. Still listening to The Shamen on headphones, the music sounded very clear and once again I noticed elements that I never had before. I wasn't expecting to really feel any perceptual shift on such a tiny dose, so this was kind of surprising to me but not unpleasant.

The problems began when I got home a couple of hours later and started to feel a wave of anxiety slowly but surely creeping over me. I guess the 'trip' - if you could call it that - was now wearing off. I sat in the garden for a bit, trying to calm down, but the anxiety intensified. That evening I had a couple of cans of beer, which at best took the edge off of the anxiety for a while. After a couple of days of this continuous anxiety, I decided to go back on my meds.

To cut a long story short, it took about a year for me to get back to my base-level of happiness or calmness or whatever you might like to call it. The generalised anxiety would sometimes dissipate for a time here and there, but overall it hung around for about a year, maybe 15 months. I remained on the meds and I also had individual counselling and EMDR therapy (highly recommended) during this period. I kept myself very busy and active and just generally carried on with my day to day life, but it was extremely unpleasant - especially for the first few weeks after the trip where I had occasional panic attacks. Exercise and meditation were both very helpful as was socialising as much as possible.

I will point out that the exact same thing happened to me - only worse - way back in 2013 after a night when I took too much MDMA. It left me in a state of anxiety which took about 15 months to fully recover from. The first few months were so bad that I felt suicidal, it was absolute hell. I didn't touch any drugs for 6 years after that experience.

I have no intention to dabble again as my psyche clearly can't handle even a very mild psychedelic dose any more. Which is a hell of a shame as I had such high hopes after reading so much over the last few years about the benefits of microdosing and the benefits of psychedelics in general. It amazes me that I used to love taking really strong acid in the early 90s and yet I was recently completely floored by just 2 Liberty Caps.

I had really hoped that the experience would help me to develop into a calmer, happier, more accepting and understanding person. I had hoped it might allow me to get free of anti-depressants once and for all. I had hoped that it would help me to be a better husband (although my wife was INCREDIBLY against the whole idea of me trying to microdose and we argued about it a lot. This may well have been a reason for the bad outcome, perhaps it was in the back of my mind?).

If anyone can shed any light on this at all, I would be extremely grateful. I just want to try and understand WHY my mind cannot deal with such a light dose. I have heard Terence McKenna say that light doses can cause anxiety, but I'm pretty sure that he was referring to anxiety lasting for the duration of the trip, rather than many months or even a year of generalised anxiety afterwards.

I'm fine now (whatever fine is these days :wink: ) but I would still love to hear any thoughts or theories on this. It actually annoys me that I am not suited to pursuing this avenue of treatment / exploration. Am I just being a lightweight? Am I too old for this type of experience now? Did I just not take a high enough dose? I've never heard of anyone having such a bad reaction to 2 liberty caps.

I've procrastinated about posting about this for over 2 years, it's actually a little bit embarrassing to be honest.

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Re: So did anyone actually "cure" their depression with shrooms? [Re: Sid Shroom]
    #28453131 - 08/31/23 05:27 AM (4 months, 26 days ago)

Mushrooms seem to have paradoxical effects on anxiety, both enhancing and suppressing it. I don't know about liberty caps but in my first (mild) trips on cubes they seemed to enhance it. But it was not uncontrollable, more like a physical feeling, like a ball in my stomach. The day after a trip I was feeling moody, like some kind of hangover but this went away soon.
Anxiety and depression were the reasons I tried shrooms in the first place and over a couple of months with some low and medium doses of shrooms, these feelings subsided. I had learned to be anxious before and shrooms have helped me to unlearn it, during trips but also in real life.

What would be best in your case I don't know. Psychedelics might again trigger an underlying anxiety or they might help you fight it with some higher doses and repeated exposure.
Only you can decide if you want to risk it. The human brain is incredibly complex and everybody reacts differently.


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Re: So did anyone actually "cure" their depression with shrooms? [Re: rocky_raccoon]
    #28453740 - 08/31/23 03:25 PM (4 months, 26 days ago)

off topic but has anyone tried ketamine or ket therapy, and can they compare it to shrooms for depression treatment


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Re: So did anyone actually "cure" their depression with shrooms? [Re: rocky_raccoon]
    #28455933 - 09/02/23 11:21 AM (4 months, 24 days ago)

Hey Rocky Raccoon

Many thanks for the reply, I really appreciate it. Some wise words in there for sure.

I do suspect that a high dose might've helped me to heal from many years of depression, but as you rightly state - it is risky.

For several years now, I've been on the volunteer list for a couple of the licensed psilocybin trials here in London, so I would still consider that if I made it through the screening process. There is also always the possibility of a licensed psilocybin retreat in Amsterdam, but again there is a screening process for this and - based on my previous experience - I might be deemed as unsuitable or too risky. Of course I could always lie about my anxiety, but I think that this would be an incredibly dumb idea.

I'm really glad that you got some relief through the Cubes :cool:


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Re: So did anyone actually "cure" their depression with shrooms? [Re: Sid Shroom]
    #28455947 - 09/02/23 11:30 AM (4 months, 24 days ago)

Shrooms were fun. But I wouldn’t say it’s a cure for depression at the dosages that I have tried yet. Ayahusca on the other hand did.😂
I think it’s a lot about setting.
It’s also a lot about intention.
Mushrooms make you giddy.
So it’s hard to focus on really wanting to work on yourself. If you’re watching the trees Melt & Staindglass window colors flowing over the floor.
But if you have a professional guiding you through the experience. I imagine it could be incredibly therapeutic.


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Re: So did anyone actually "cure" their depression with shrooms? [Re: Mindopening22] * 1
    #28456468 - 09/02/23 08:33 PM (4 months, 23 days ago)

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off topic but has anyone tried ketamine or ket therapy, and can they compare it to shrooms for depression treatment




Yes, I started with Ketamine therapy with no psychedelic experiences before hand. I also have zero medication history prior to this, so I literally started with Ketamine IV's.  I'm a rare case.

Whatcha wanna know, exactly?  I've done several write-ups; but, I'll answer your exact questions.

Shit was life changing for me, and got me here BTW.


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Re: So did anyone actually "cure" their depression with shrooms? [Re: GenesisCorrupted]
    #28456778 - 09/03/23 08:21 AM (4 months, 23 days ago)

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Shrooms were fun. But I wouldn’t say it’s a cure for depression at the dosages that I have tried yet. Ayahusca on the other hand did.😂
I think it’s a lot about setting.
It’s also a lot about intention.
Mushrooms make you giddy.
So it’s hard to focus on really wanting to work on yourself. If you’re watching the trees Melt & Staindglass window colors flowing over the floor.
But if you have a professional guiding you through the experience. I imagine it could be incredibly therapeutic.




Ayahuasca really sounds like a life changing experience. Maybe I'll try it some day. The effects of shrooms might be more subtle but they accumulate over time and usage. I enjoy trips, especially together with my partner. Sometimes I get new and interesting ideas but mainly it's just fun and relaxing. Still, there are lasting after effects for me and reduced anxiety is one of them. Working on myself actually starts after the trip when my brain is more open to changes in perspective. I think that's the point where guidance or therapy would be most helpful.


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Re: So did anyone actually "cure" their depression with shrooms? [Re: rocky_raccoon]
    #28456999 - 09/03/23 10:52 AM (4 months, 23 days ago)

Everyone’s different. I like to doing it without nausea. I had a hell of an experience. If you’re curious, I can describe to you my method. If done properly, you will experience just a bit at 20 minutes, easily remedied by a single bowl of fine marijuana. The potion makes people violently ill. Also violently high. My method has all of the therapeutic effects. Without putting you into a hammock coma.


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Re: So did anyone actually "cure" their depression with shrooms? [Re: GenesisCorrupted]
    #28457211 - 09/03/23 02:12 PM (4 months, 23 days ago)

Is it easy to get the ingredients? I'm living in Europe.
Also not sure if all the ceremonial thing is needed or if you just take it and experience for yourself.
I'm a bit afraid I have to say, since I'm quite sensitive to substances, also shrooms. But with shrooms I know my dosage and how far I can and want to go.


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Re: So did anyone actually "cure" their depression with shrooms? [Re: rocky_raccoon] * 1
    #28457862 - 09/04/23 12:24 AM (4 months, 22 days ago)

I am the shaman. Don’t even worry about it bro I got you. It’s incredibly easy to get these ingredients. If you PM me I can tell you how and what all of it is. Literally everything I got was completely legal where I am. 🤣


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Re: So did anyone actually "cure" their depression with shrooms? [Re: GenesisCorrupted]
    #28459403 - 09/05/23 10:58 AM (4 months, 21 days ago)

I cured my depression with mushrooms. But not any mushroom as I had tried to use cubensis for that purpose before. Semperviva did it. I will forever be grateful for that because, if it wasnt for them, I suspect I would never get out of that deep hole. They did not cure me overnight. But they made me feel something finally and gave me the energy to change my habits and seek a therapist, something I had absolutely no energy for before. At the time, I was in a downward spiral of self destructive thoughts; I could barely feel anything but sadness and doom the whole day and even the slightest compliment from anyone would bring me to tears. I was a new person after that trip.

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Re: So did anyone actually "cure" their depression with shrooms? [Re: odissey] * 1
    #28459480 - 09/05/23 12:05 PM (4 months, 21 days ago)

This is the same Epiphany I had on my Ayahusca!
It just lets you forgive yourself for all the things that you thought you did wrong. You’re holding yourself back with your depression. It just starts you over with a blank slate. It’s not like you couldn’t get depressed again. But you’re able to objectively look at all your trauma, and just get over it.
I’m sure it does take multiple tries to really get the full benefit. I did a few trips. Sounds like this guy had to do a few trips on mushrooms. It’s not something you get to just do once and be done.
But it definitely gets you on the right path. I knew exactly what I wanted to do with the rest my life after 3rd trip. Which cured my depression.


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Re: So did anyone actually "cure" their depression with shrooms? [Re: GenesisCorrupted]
    #28461232 - 09/07/23 01:52 AM (4 months, 19 days ago)

I found this video with some proper hints about setting and dosage for a psilocybin healing session, not just for a fun trip. Also a lot of information about how the substance works in your brain, neuroplasticity,  perception, emotions etc.



To sum up the part about setting (from minute 30 of the video):
1. Dosage should be 25 - 30 mg Psilocybin, taken once or twice. That would be approximately 2,5-3 g Mushrooms (with all the errors due to biological variations)
2. Have a sober and trustful tripsitter by your side.
3. You should close your eyes / be blindfolded to avoid concentrating too much on OEVs.
4. Music is really important and should match the phases of your trip.

Ignore the ads and the admittedly BS about accidents on psychedelics. The rest is highly interesting.

The dosage is still a vague point to me since there's biology involved on side of the mushrooms as well as the consumer. But I think about upping my dose for a more healing experience.


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Re: So did anyone actually "cure" their depression with shrooms? [Re: rocky_raccoon] * 1
    #28461577 - 09/07/23 02:22 PM (4 months, 19 days ago)

I have to say that shrooms opened the door for my healing, but they have not healed me on their own. My childhood background is... nasty.. and it wrecked my mind in ways that I didn't understand and just couldn't see. Mushrooms opened the door, but only after I spent a couple of months smoking weed and meditating. My first trip opened the door via flashbacks to childhood things I had locked away, but I think thanks to the shrooms I could accept them and deal with them. I tripped pretty much for a whole year, I'm guessing close to a total of 200g dried; tripping every two weeks for a year. I did not cure me, it has not healed me, it only opened the door and dared me to walk through.

So, what has helped me gain the healing that I have? Work! I have poured myself into mindfulness, self reflection ans meditation. Radical acceptance of the things I find within my mind. I have had to learn how to be my own best friend, to listen to myself when I'm getting disregulated and to take steps to ground and orient myself.

It has been one of the most difficult journeys I have ever undertaken in life. At times it's almost unbearable painful yet from the midst of the hurt emerges this gratitude at just being alive.

Mushrooms can give you the chance to heal, but I'm telling you that you need to be ready to hurt, to work and to fight in order to realize what a gift they can bring.


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Re: So did anyone actually "cure" their depression with shrooms? [Re: TerdleMountain]
    #28462373 - 09/08/23 12:26 PM (4 months, 18 days ago)

It definitely works. If you've suffered enough, you can change your perspective through the mushroom experience, so you're smarter when you eat mushrooms. The intelligent person is brave and self-confident. Love.


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Re: So did anyone actually "cure" their depression with shrooms? [Re: GenesisCorrupted]
    #28471851 - 09/17/23 03:45 AM (4 months, 9 days ago)

Hi GenesisCorrupted

Thank you very much indeed for your reply, apologies that I didn't reply sooner.

Thank you for sharing your own personal experiences. I'm really glad to hear that ayahuasca worked for you.

Yes, I suspect that the best therapy for someone like me who is fairly anxious about this sort of thing nowadays would be a guided therapy session with a professional counsellor in a clinical setting. As I say, I'm still currently on a volunteer list for psilocybin guided therapy in London.

Hopefully this type of therapy might eventually become commonplace or at least more easily accessible for the general population. Certainly the results that these trials are having seem to be incredible and can't really be ignored by the medical profession any longer.

So many lovely, kind people on this forum. Much love to you all ❤


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