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Why I talk to objects. Taoism is not insanity.
#28453753 - 08/31/23 03:44 PM (4 months, 25 days ago) |
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I had always lived my life that way. I read about it once when I was 10. I always had that word in my head. But when I really looked at it, it was just a bunch of people like me that got eradicated. By the communist party of China. Because they taught respect and love. Some thing that can’t be tolerated under that regime.
What it means to me
I treat everything with a deep respect. I want things to last as long as possible. Items gain character over time. You learn their foibles and their ways. Sometimes you can even criticize them. When they’re acting silly.
Long after I’m gone, I will have left the world a better place. Hopefully people remember my ideas, concepts, may be even the words.
Everything has a spirit. Not literally every single rock. But there is a spirit of rocks. There is also a spirit of pebbles Of gravel… etc.
Meditation
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Re: Why I talk to objects. Taoism is not insanity. [Re: GenesisCorrupted]
#28453795 - 08/31/23 04:17 PM (4 months, 25 days ago) |
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well at least they keep their opinions to themselves. although that does not provide the kind of practice you need at this point.
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I wrote you an apology, but I can’t send it to you.
I would like to know what you think. Let me know if you’re interested.
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Kid Yap Smack
(In the tradition of Frog Pond Plop)
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Buster_Brown said: Kid Yap Smack
(In the tradition of Frog Pond Plop)
I love your words. But please elaborate for the sake of layman Reading this.
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On the right we have the defender of his title, RGV, favored by the odds 2/1. On the left is the scurvy dog who dares enter the fray.
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GenesisCorrupted said: I wrote you an apology, but I can’t send it to you.
I would like to know what you think. Let me know if you’re interested.
I think that's very sweet in some ways.
- I am not looking for any apologies,
- not from you or from anyone
- just take ownership (custody) of what you do in the moment.
- I would appreciate more of a diplomatic presence and this means that even after you have arrived you still keep on grokking what is going on because the ground is always shifting, as is the body, as is the mind, as is the forum.
- Even when perfectly still, stuff is changing and we are getting updates 10 times per second.
- Lets make cleaning your gun mean something in a zen way (note: this messages has been delivered as bullets).
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I will fight for what I believe in. But I always try to take different opinions under consideration. Thank you. My father had me inherit his complete lack of patience. It’s been a lifelong battle to try and fight that. It’s not entirely an apology either. Just wanted to tell you some stuff. I’d still be interested in sending it you. I just won’t post it. It’s for you, not everyone.
Sincerely, Genesis
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@GenysC This persona of mine is in the forum only. Connecting with me via PM is not an option which I have mentioned in the PM that led to me blocking your PM's. I do not want to have a personal only relationship with you.
So,
when is the next scheduled zen gun cleaning?
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when is the next scheduled zen gun cleaning? 
Oxymoron!
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Fair enough. The message was for your persona. That’s the only version of you that I know. So that’s the only one that I would’ve wrote this message for. I’m not saying that we should go hang out at the pub. In it, I asked if you could just try to leave your comments on the threads they are in reference to. I have been taking omega oil. But it really does mess with me. I can’t tell you what to do. Just as a favor to me.
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Where you think of threads spooling - kosher-style without contacting other threads, I think of fabrics woven from threads (the forums at large); the intricate designs of which impinge back on the threads themselves which do not exist merely to spoolify, but to weave and dance together in creation of a forum of interest.
Accordingly some threads seem to belong naturally in some fabrics, while others belong in the spirituality and mysticism forum. And gun sport belongs with fire arms and sports, unless we get to the Zen of gun cleaning, which raises it all up a notch.
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Like I said. I’m not telling you what to do. But if I’m making a thread on something completely unrelated to a comment you just made based off of a previous thread. It throws me & some others off. For example, when I’m trying to tell people my guided method for meditation. Then you start talking about my gun thread. That feels inappropriate to me.
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Based upon the content of your meditation thread, do you think this method ties into the philosophy and psychology discussion group or perhaps more to the spirituality and mysticism group? https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/28448570 Note: I am not the only one to whom the "conquering" aspect emerged after your initial explanation. Psychology is all about personality and association.
Like all of us, you are a person of many talents and interests, negotiating your way in a wild and woolly universe. If you do conquer more than the domain of your own habits, you will have to take custody of that which you do conquer, and that might keep you tied up with details, or leave a swath of demoralization.
You already have a trail of 17 different topics, a veritable obstacle course of detail in your first week of activity.
Cross talk from any topic is unavoidable.
do what you do do.
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I feel some hubris from the OP.
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redgreenvines said:
I think that's very sweet in some ways.
- I am not looking for any apologies,
- not from you or from anyone
- just take ownership (custody) of what you do in the moment.
- I would appreciate more of a diplomatic presence and this means that even after you have arrived you still keep on grokking what is going on because the ground is always shifting, as is the body, as is the mind, as is the forum.
- Even when perfectly still, stuff is changing and we are getting updates 10 times per second.
- Lets make cleaning your gun mean something in a zen way (note: this messages has been delivered as bullets).
using bullet points is a microaggression!
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take ownership (custody) of what you do in the moment.
The 'appropriate' response to discomfort being punishment.
Now we have 2 superpowers punishing each other in 'appropriate' measure.
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And so began 'The Great Satva Wars'. 
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Because when I start a thread about meditation. Then somebody starts talking about guns, because I did make a thread about guns at some point. I’d prefer it wasn’t that way.but… “ I don’t give a fuck”
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I like what redgreenvines is saying to OP.
OP, if everything has a spirit, don’t back track and say, well, not every rock has a spirit. Why not? I know I could easy make a face sewn onto any rock and have detailed conversation with that spirit of rock.
Also, OP, I have friend who meditates a lot. Say like three times a day sometimes and also does long meditation seminars here and there on the west coast of America. He gains a lot of strength to his practice by participating in grouped meditations. Some cool energy shifts around from person to person in time of meditation. Then, when break of that meditation and the social scene opens back up, some cooler personal connections made to those in shared space there.
Talking of meditation on a thread is as dry as a caskets body. Religions and practice are pretty darn cool things yet only really in place of practice.
These threads for communication purposes. Self proclamations as reminders to own home walls really don’t hang up so good on others. They have their own intelligence. And self expression of one’s character kinda as a billboard to see as others surf this World Wide Web.
I post up here and seems give more a headache to me ego than that of sharing brief words to anyone passing on the streets walk.
Hear what I see to meditation, as can share detail; for one, sitting is so very uncomfortable. There is so much to do within and without. Very blessed we humans are to the abundance of food and pleasure to consume that food does require an energy of movement. In that movement healing the body comes kindly. This said, a lot of meditation walls having to break through using mental power probably is just the changing and passing of crap through the intestinal tract. Like you speak of patience, imagine trying to be that turd to lower bowels and body completely ready to dump that turd down and out, yet, one finds need to take moment to meditate, putting a halt to bodies breathe and heart rate, changing that pace of such energy shifting. Now, all the while, the patience you learning really can be of speaking to that turds passing from body.
Ok. I sitting at laundry mat and do find it great fun, at times, to poke at one’s words about what this is and that is, especially to such philosophical, psychological and spiritual topics. I learned very nicely from some book on spirituality from author Singh. I was attracted to book for reasoning of no copyright as stated ‘words are free,’ or something. Then, as later go onto read, his writing were purely insulting towards anyone’s intellect. Though, if one seeking that of which one can’t come to thought of own…. I got a humorous disposition from that book.
Now, another good sight of eye opener was watching George Harrison and John Lennon on interview speaking about meditation. Without criticizing all to much about the joker, better Jester like quality to such figures own Kings, Queens and Lords they about for, I found great laugh to of how John Lennon spoke of meditation as really good for getting excited to go do something, as he’s words really just a spiteful ‘I’ve been sitting here for the last hour meditating all the while I could’ve been doing…’ his doings.
OP, yo do yoga? How’s your physic? This patience trip of your could really build a strong, well curved healthy body. For in much Asanas, postures, holding that Asana can grow muscle very nicely, let alone have self feeling less constricted to the dominating repeated movement of normal living routine.
Whatcha got in response, hopefully something reciprocating this time spent throwing you much ideas here.
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Re: Why I talk to objects. Taoism is not insanity. [Re: GenesisCorrupted]
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Re: You aren’t accepting pm’s? [Re: WhoManBeing]
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I’m not saying some rocks, logs, trees, don’t have spirits.
I’m just not trying to have somebody tell me that every single pebble at the quarry has a spirit. That’s not how it works for me anyway. For other people that’s fine. But when you’re digging, and you run into that giant rock. That spirit is testing you. I feel like there’s a hierarchy. There’s a spirit of rocks. Who presides over all rocks. Then like his generals. They preside over pebbles gravel and stones. Also just regular rocks. All those guys have their own spirits, but they all kind of work their way up the ladder. If you have something you need to do where you are worried about running into a lot of rocks. I’m not gonna try and pray to every single pebble spirit. I’m gonna pray to the spirit of rocks. Which probably wouldn’t help. Because they are very stubborn. 😂 I don’t really pray to spirits anyways. I just respect them
In regards to meditation thread. It was just a really approachable and easy method of meditation. I’m not trying to be a teacher of meditation. On this platform that would be very boring. But meditation is kind of intangible for a lot of people that feel like they need to go and see somebody in a seminar in a professional group setting. That isn’t true. I’m not saying it can’t be more therapeutic in a way. But a lot of people don’t want to go and sit in a room full of other people. Some people can’t afford to go travel to that seminar. Some people can’t move very well. Anyone can do meditation. I’m just trying to make it more accessible.
I have been doing a lot of yoga. I am recovering from a car accident. The cold weather seems to be really having an effect. So while I was sitting there, trying out my method. It felt like maybe I should share it because it was very easy to do.
I really appreciate you taking the time to write such a thoughtful comment.
Sincerely, Genesis
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By definition to word Spirit, rocks don’t have spirits.
noun 1. the nonphysical part of a person which is the seat of emotions and character; the soul. "we seek a harmony between body and spirit" Similar: soul psyche inner self inner being essential being pneuma anima ego id ka atman Opposite: body flesh 2. those qualities regarded as forming the definitive or typical elements in the character of a person, nation, or group or in the thought and attitudes of a particular period. "the university is a symbol of the nation's egalitarian spirit" Similar: ethos prevailing tendency motivating force animating principle dominating characteristic essence quintessence atmosphere mood feeling temper tenor climate attitudes beliefs principles standards ethics verb convey rapidly and secretly. "stolen cows were spirited away some distance to prevent detection"
Sorry to hear of car accident. Those can really damage a body.
What have you damaged?
Sea Kelp helps rebuild joints and tendons, quote Arnold Schwarzenegger body building book and sure does. Recommends two teaspoons a day and a week later feeling better. Have even seen mild arthritis patients smile to the two weeks supplies given.
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I had just gotten some really amazing looking weed. I was feeling particularly chipper. I was in a brand new outfit I had gotten for Christmas. Wearing the coat I have gotten for my birthday. Basically my favorite outfit. I got a brand new pipe next-door. I was waiting at the crosswalk to go towards the Fred Meyer‘s. Then I would just have to go straight down the road take a right go to my house. So I remember the crosswalk turning white. And nothing else. I woke up in the back of an ambulance. Apparently I was smacked really hard from the left side. Hard enough that even with a bicycle helmet I was knocked completely unconscious. I might’ve even died for a couple seconds.
The pain is mostly relegated to my left leg. But it affected my back as well.
I just make sure to go on a walk every day, which seems to keep it nice and limber. But if I sit around too long, I start to lock up a bit.
I’ve been saving all of my bills that have been accumulating & my lawyer seems to really enjoy hearing about all the pain I’ve been caused. 🤣
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people that feel like they need to go and see somebody in a seminar in a professional group setting. That isn’t true.
Personally I think proximity to yoga masters or concerts has effects.
And Medicine Men.
And whomever else I left out.
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agreed, great meditation, especially with the yoga mixed in, it's basically the body scan technique more or less if I understand you.
highly recommended.
while I don't particularly recommend talking to rocks or to bullets, I cannot say there isn't more merit in that than in prayer of any kind. after all once you put your hands together what is happening is a form of yoga (union -defragmentation).
and if the approach is towards peace or refuge, what ever makes you feel present and relaxed can be a wonderful meditation.
even if it is a reflection of what you think you want and would pray for, if you do it with consistency for more than 5 minutes it becomes meditation.
in meditation, the mind is brought to a place where it can look at its reflection, and as long as it can be open and attentive, the meditation can be very functional.
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The pain is mostly relegated to my left leg. But it affected my back as well.
I just make sure to go on a walk every day, which seems to keep it nice and limber. But if I sit around too long, I start to lock up a bit.
sorry to hear of pain and lockup if not managed, I also have to move, or lockup, and some of us are all locked up.
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Ran off on this today.
Best wishes to healing.
Peace out
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This is the one that seems to have really affected the scar tissue. Because a couple days after busting that one out. I held it for a couple seconds just as long as I was comfortable. I was doing a different stretch and it really hurt. And I’ve had to take it really easy ever since it’s still pretty sore. Still locked up.
I don’t think WhoManBeing ran on. I think you said what you needed to say. And I really appreciated it.
Sincerely, Genesis
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Re: Why I talk to objects. Taoism is not insanity. [Re: GenesisCorrupted] 1
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GenesisCorrupted said: I had always lived my life that way. I read about it once when I was 10. I always had that word in my head. But when I really looked at it, it was just a bunch of people like me that got eradicated. By the communist party of China. Because they taught respect and love. Some thing that can’t be tolerated under that regime.
What it means to me
I treat everything with a deep respect. I want things to last as long as possible. Items gain character over time. You learn their foibles and their ways. Sometimes you can even criticize them. When they’re acting silly.
Long after I’m gone, I will have left the world a better place. Hopefully people remember my ideas, concepts, may be even the words.
Everything has a spirit. Not literally every single rock. But there is a spirit of rocks. There is also a spirit of pebbles Of gravel… etc.
Meditation
You might be interested to learn that, with regards to your insights into everything has a spirit:
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A great Hindu scholar by the name of Kumārajīva was translating—with a group of assistants—the Buddha sūtras into Chinese. One of his students taught that all beings whatsoever have the capacity to become Buddha, to become enlightened—even rocks and stones—and that even heretics and evil-doers have the Buddha-nature, or Buddha potentiality, in them. And everybody said he was a dreadful heretic. But then a text called the Nirvāṇa Sūtra came from India, which said precisely that.
The Complete Mahaparinirvana Sutra Text
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Buddhism has always been very fascinating to me.
One of my favorite movies of all time. Is the Shogun assassin series. In it at some point, Itto needs to kill a man suspected of being the next Buddha. This man is able to embody the void itself. So shen Itto makes his first attempt to assassinate him. He can’t do it. The void is too immense
He needs to train his mind and body for the next month. To truly obtain the reason for killing this man. In his way, he achieves a form of nirvana. He had accepted the money. The man was already dead. He achieved a form of nirvana. Thus was able to kill him.
I’m gonna watch that later today. I’ll put the quote up. If you’re in to 80s level of violence. Mixed with oddly higher forms of thought. This is the movie series.
Five fists full of Gold is by far my favorite.
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You might be interested to learn that, with regards to your insights into everything has a spirit:
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A great Hindu scholar by the name of Kumārajīva was translating—with a group of assistants—the Buddha sūtras into Chinese. One of his students taught that all beings whatsoever have the capacity to become Buddha, to become enlightened—even rocks and stones—and that even heretics and evil-doers have the Buddha-nature, or Buddha potentiality, in them. And everybody said he was a dreadful heretic. But then a text called the Nirvāṇa Sūtra came from India, which said precisely that.
The Complete Mahaparinirvana Sutra Text
The kind of distinctions made in Hindu culture with respect to phenomena and mental content are bewilderingly fickle. In Buddhism there is a strong lineage back into Hinduism. Populations are inclined to believe in spirits the same way that new world Shamanism infused the universe with spirits. Again with little distinction between what is phenomenal and what is noumenal.
Buddha nature or the potential to be enlightened is a noumenal aspect. In other words it is cognitive content that describes a way of being or a form of cognition that is unfettered, or liberated.
To have the buddha nature requires that a mental reflection of "enlightenment" occurs in mind. The capacity to walk this way must be within the being.
Certainly when the Buddha gave "sermons" all attendees would be mesmerized and attentive, including the goats and insects (but this could be descriptive of an alternative history - such as Trump's inauguration crowd size) - Nevertheless Buddha was very congenial and most likely nobody spoke or even coughed while he talked. Neither did the rocks.
When a rock is contemplated, the simplicity and honesty of its basic existence is mirrored in mind. In that way you could say that even a rock has the Buddha nature, it can catalyze enlightenment in the meditator who reflects upon it.
(I have visited some situations where the charisma of "saintly" or "enlightened" speakers was so powerful you could cut the air with a sword. It is amazing, and wonderfully intoxicating to be carried away with the group mind effect. No doubt this effect occurred around Christ, Buddha, Mother Theresa and others)
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Re: Why I talk to objects. Taoism is not insanity. [Re: redgreenvines]
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This reminded me of a scene in a movie called never Cry Wolf. The scientist is studying a rare pack of wolves. In this scene, hes speaking with the man who wants to poach the wolves for cash. As he’s discussing the higher implications of what the wolves mean. If you look behind him, there is an enormous mountain. Bathed in the light of understanding. The man he speaks to respomds by saying how poor he is. How life doesn’t care what you do. How he has lost all his teeth because of sugar. How he would like to get new teeth. Behind him is a rock. The rock only cares about what’s underneath it.
This is probably the best shot scene in the movie. Because of the implications.
One is wide-open. Seeing everything. The other is close minded. He can’t even see whats right in front of his face. If I find the picture or if I take the screenshot myself. I’ll post it here.
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Re: Why I talk to objects. Taoism is not insanity. [Re: GenesisCorrupted]
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I love that movie as well! Brings back memories of when I was younger, to the album 'Liquid Swords', and to the movie 'The 36th Chamber of Shaolin'.
My first recommendation would be 'A Touch of Zen', and the 'Dragon Inn' + 'Come Drink With Me' series, if you enjoy a bit of old school Kung Fu + Buddhism mixed in (maybe less so the latter in the last two ).
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Oh I definitely do. Thank you for the suggestions. Sincerely, Genesis
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