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Re: Why I talk to objects. Taoism is not insanity. [Re: GenesisCorrupted]
#28454929 - 09/01/23 01:13 PM (4 months, 25 days ago) |
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GenesisCorrupted
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Re: You aren’t accepting pm’s? [Re: WhoManBeing]
#28455096 - 09/01/23 04:16 PM (4 months, 24 days ago) |
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I’m not saying some rocks, logs, trees, don’t have spirits.
I’m just not trying to have somebody tell me that every single pebble at the quarry has a spirit. That’s not how it works for me anyway. For other people that’s fine. But when you’re digging, and you run into that giant rock. That spirit is testing you. I feel like there’s a hierarchy. There’s a spirit of rocks. Who presides over all rocks. Then like his generals. They preside over pebbles gravel and stones. Also just regular rocks. All those guys have their own spirits, but they all kind of work their way up the ladder. If you have something you need to do where you are worried about running into a lot of rocks. I’m not gonna try and pray to every single pebble spirit. I’m gonna pray to the spirit of rocks. Which probably wouldn’t help. Because they are very stubborn. 😂 I don’t really pray to spirits anyways. I just respect them
In regards to meditation thread. It was just a really approachable and easy method of meditation. I’m not trying to be a teacher of meditation. On this platform that would be very boring. But meditation is kind of intangible for a lot of people that feel like they need to go and see somebody in a seminar in a professional group setting. That isn’t true. I’m not saying it can’t be more therapeutic in a way. But a lot of people don’t want to go and sit in a room full of other people. Some people can’t afford to go travel to that seminar. Some people can’t move very well. Anyone can do meditation. I’m just trying to make it more accessible.
I have been doing a lot of yoga. I am recovering from a car accident. The cold weather seems to be really having an effect. So while I was sitting there, trying out my method. It felt like maybe I should share it because it was very easy to do.
I really appreciate you taking the time to write such a thoughtful comment.
Sincerely, Genesis
Edited by GenesisCorrupted (09/01/23 06:48 PM)
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By definition to word Spirit, rocks don’t have spirits.
noun 1. the nonphysical part of a person which is the seat of emotions and character; the soul. "we seek a harmony between body and spirit" Similar: soul psyche inner self inner being essential being pneuma anima ego id ka atman Opposite: body flesh 2. those qualities regarded as forming the definitive or typical elements in the character of a person, nation, or group or in the thought and attitudes of a particular period. "the university is a symbol of the nation's egalitarian spirit" Similar: ethos prevailing tendency motivating force animating principle dominating characteristic essence quintessence atmosphere mood feeling temper tenor climate attitudes beliefs principles standards ethics verb convey rapidly and secretly. "stolen cows were spirited away some distance to prevent detection"
Sorry to hear of car accident. Those can really damage a body.
What have you damaged?
Sea Kelp helps rebuild joints and tendons, quote Arnold Schwarzenegger body building book and sure does. Recommends two teaspoons a day and a week later feeling better. Have even seen mild arthritis patients smile to the two weeks supplies given.
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I had just gotten some really amazing looking weed. I was feeling particularly chipper. I was in a brand new outfit I had gotten for Christmas. Wearing the coat I have gotten for my birthday. Basically my favorite outfit. I got a brand new pipe next-door. I was waiting at the crosswalk to go towards the Fred Meyer‘s. Then I would just have to go straight down the road take a right go to my house. So I remember the crosswalk turning white. And nothing else. I woke up in the back of an ambulance. Apparently I was smacked really hard from the left side. Hard enough that even with a bicycle helmet I was knocked completely unconscious. I might’ve even died for a couple seconds.
The pain is mostly relegated to my left leg. But it affected my back as well.
I just make sure to go on a walk every day, which seems to keep it nice and limber. But if I sit around too long, I start to lock up a bit.
I’ve been saving all of my bills that have been accumulating & my lawyer seems to really enjoy hearing about all the pain I’ve been caused. 🤣
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people that feel like they need to go and see somebody in a seminar in a professional group setting. That isn’t true.
Personally I think proximity to yoga masters or concerts has effects.
And Medicine Men.
And whomever else I left out.
Edited by Buster_Brown (09/01/23 05:24 PM)
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agreed, great meditation, especially with the yoga mixed in, it's basically the body scan technique more or less if I understand you.
highly recommended.
while I don't particularly recommend talking to rocks or to bullets, I cannot say there isn't more merit in that than in prayer of any kind. after all once you put your hands together what is happening is a form of yoga (union -defragmentation).
and if the approach is towards peace or refuge, what ever makes you feel present and relaxed can be a wonderful meditation.
even if it is a reflection of what you think you want and would pray for, if you do it with consistency for more than 5 minutes it becomes meditation.
in meditation, the mind is brought to a place where it can look at its reflection, and as long as it can be open and attentive, the meditation can be very functional.
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The pain is mostly relegated to my left leg. But it affected my back as well.
I just make sure to go on a walk every day, which seems to keep it nice and limber. But if I sit around too long, I start to lock up a bit.
sorry to hear of pain and lockup if not managed, I also have to move, or lockup, and some of us are all locked up.
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Ran off on this today.
Best wishes to healing.
Peace out
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GenesisCorrupted
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This is the one that seems to have really affected the scar tissue. Because a couple days after busting that one out. I held it for a couple seconds just as long as I was comfortable. I was doing a different stretch and it really hurt. And I’ve had to take it really easy ever since it’s still pretty sore. Still locked up.
I don’t think WhoManBeing ran on. I think you said what you needed to say. And I really appreciated it.
Sincerely, Genesis
Edited by GenesisCorrupted (09/01/23 06:50 PM)
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Re: Why I talk to objects. Taoism is not insanity. [Re: GenesisCorrupted] 1
#28455622 - 09/02/23 03:03 AM (4 months, 24 days ago) |
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GenesisCorrupted said: I had always lived my life that way. I read about it once when I was 10. I always had that word in my head. But when I really looked at it, it was just a bunch of people like me that got eradicated. By the communist party of China. Because they taught respect and love. Some thing that can’t be tolerated under that regime.
What it means to me
I treat everything with a deep respect. I want things to last as long as possible. Items gain character over time. You learn their foibles and their ways. Sometimes you can even criticize them. When they’re acting silly.
Long after I’m gone, I will have left the world a better place. Hopefully people remember my ideas, concepts, may be even the words.
Everything has a spirit. Not literally every single rock. But there is a spirit of rocks. There is also a spirit of pebbles Of gravel… etc.
Meditation
You might be interested to learn that, with regards to your insights into everything has a spirit:
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A great Hindu scholar by the name of Kumārajīva was translating—with a group of assistants—the Buddha sūtras into Chinese. One of his students taught that all beings whatsoever have the capacity to become Buddha, to become enlightened—even rocks and stones—and that even heretics and evil-doers have the Buddha-nature, or Buddha potentiality, in them. And everybody said he was a dreadful heretic. But then a text called the Nirvāṇa Sūtra came from India, which said precisely that.
The Complete Mahaparinirvana Sutra Text
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Re: Why I talk to objects. Taoism is not insanity. [Re: spinvis] 1
#28455641 - 09/02/23 05:15 AM (4 months, 24 days ago) |
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Buddhism has always been very fascinating to me.
One of my favorite movies of all time. Is the Shogun assassin series. In it at some point, Itto needs to kill a man suspected of being the next Buddha. This man is able to embody the void itself. So shen Itto makes his first attempt to assassinate him. He can’t do it. The void is too immense
He needs to train his mind and body for the next month. To truly obtain the reason for killing this man. In his way, he achieves a form of nirvana. He had accepted the money. The man was already dead. He achieved a form of nirvana. Thus was able to kill him.
I’m gonna watch that later today. I’ll put the quote up. If you’re in to 80s level of violence. Mixed with oddly higher forms of thought. This is the movie series.
Five fists full of Gold is by far my favorite.
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Re: Why I talk to objects. Taoism is not insanity. [Re: spinvis] 2
#28455665 - 09/02/23 06:01 AM (4 months, 24 days ago) |
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Quote:
spinvis said: ...
You might be interested to learn that, with regards to your insights into everything has a spirit:
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A great Hindu scholar by the name of Kumārajīva was translating—with a group of assistants—the Buddha sūtras into Chinese. One of his students taught that all beings whatsoever have the capacity to become Buddha, to become enlightened—even rocks and stones—and that even heretics and evil-doers have the Buddha-nature, or Buddha potentiality, in them. And everybody said he was a dreadful heretic. But then a text called the Nirvāṇa Sūtra came from India, which said precisely that.
The Complete Mahaparinirvana Sutra Text
The kind of distinctions made in Hindu culture with respect to phenomena and mental content are bewilderingly fickle. In Buddhism there is a strong lineage back into Hinduism. Populations are inclined to believe in spirits the same way that new world Shamanism infused the universe with spirits. Again with little distinction between what is phenomenal and what is noumenal.
Buddha nature or the potential to be enlightened is a noumenal aspect. In other words it is cognitive content that describes a way of being or a form of cognition that is unfettered, or liberated.
To have the buddha nature requires that a mental reflection of "enlightenment" occurs in mind. The capacity to walk this way must be within the being.
Certainly when the Buddha gave "sermons" all attendees would be mesmerized and attentive, including the goats and insects (but this could be descriptive of an alternative history - such as Trump's inauguration crowd size) - Nevertheless Buddha was very congenial and most likely nobody spoke or even coughed while he talked. Neither did the rocks.
When a rock is contemplated, the simplicity and honesty of its basic existence is mirrored in mind. In that way you could say that even a rock has the Buddha nature, it can catalyze enlightenment in the meditator who reflects upon it.
(I have visited some situations where the charisma of "saintly" or "enlightened" speakers was so powerful you could cut the air with a sword. It is amazing, and wonderfully intoxicating to be carried away with the group mind effect. No doubt this effect occurred around Christ, Buddha, Mother Theresa and others)
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Re: Why I talk to objects. Taoism is not insanity. [Re: redgreenvines]
#28455678 - 09/02/23 06:43 AM (4 months, 24 days ago) |
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This reminded me of a scene in a movie called never Cry Wolf. The scientist is studying a rare pack of wolves. In this scene, hes speaking with the man who wants to poach the wolves for cash. As he’s discussing the higher implications of what the wolves mean. If you look behind him, there is an enormous mountain. Bathed in the light of understanding. The man he speaks to respomds by saying how poor he is. How life doesn’t care what you do. How he has lost all his teeth because of sugar. How he would like to get new teeth. Behind him is a rock. The rock only cares about what’s underneath it.
This is probably the best shot scene in the movie. Because of the implications.
One is wide-open. Seeing everything. The other is close minded. He can’t even see whats right in front of his face. If I find the picture or if I take the screenshot myself. I’ll post it here.
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Re: Why I talk to objects. Taoism is not insanity. [Re: GenesisCorrupted]
#28456630 - 09/03/23 03:35 AM (4 months, 23 days ago) |
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I love that movie as well! Brings back memories of when I was younger, to the album 'Liquid Swords', and to the movie 'The 36th Chamber of Shaolin'.
My first recommendation would be 'A Touch of Zen', and the 'Dragon Inn' + 'Come Drink With Me' series, if you enjoy a bit of old school Kung Fu + Buddhism mixed in (maybe less so the latter in the last two ).
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Re: Why I talk to objects. Taoism is not insanity. [Re: spinvis] 1
#28456786 - 09/03/23 08:27 AM (4 months, 23 days ago) |
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Oh I definitely do. Thank you for the suggestions. Sincerely, Genesis
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