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Maoi Diet & ADD or ADHD Questions
    #28451599 - 08/29/23 08:05 PM (4 months, 27 days ago)

My thoughts are racing 1000 times a minute on Ayahusca. (my former anxiety.)

For most people, they have to fight off slumber. Like they really have to work hard not to fall asleep.
Dude…

Remember what I said in my third trip?
Maybe this is what I meant.🤣

Gets me wired.
ideas flow like a river.
Gives me the energy to lift the couch with one hand.
Makes me strong.
Makes me motivated to do work on myself.
Get me super creative and fired up.

Other people just pass out. 🌪️

Everything is bizarro world for me.

“That’s just me baby.”

Coffee gets me to chill out.

Never tried any accelerant in my life.
Because I thought “wow I don’t wanna go any faster than I already am. Plus, I don’t wanna get addicted.

But I think I want to see if medication can help me focus.

So since everything is reversed.

If I tried to take something to treat my hyperactive disorder. While still on MAOI diet. Because I really love it. I have never felt and looked better.

Would this put me into a coma and kill me?

Which would be the opposite of what it would do to most people.

Give them a heart attack or stroke. Due to a hypertensive crisis.

Anyone who literally has this condition. Who has done this compound. I am really asking you.
But any scientist or professional that has an opinion on this.
Not just any dick, Tom, or Sally.
Feel free to tell me your opinions and thoughts.

I just started taking supplements again.
I have never felt better.
My memory has never been better.


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Re: Maoi Diet & ADD or ADHD? [Re: GenesisCorrupted] * 1
    #28451971 - 08/30/23 03:20 AM (4 months, 27 days ago)

My suggestion is do not take stimulants for your ADHD. Those drugs are some of the worst around. Let me tell you a story. I was a kid who was bouncing off the walls. My parents tried Strattera, and it didn't work at all. So they tried me on stimulants when I was in late elementary school and gradeschool. They made me sit still - but the side-effects were immense. I'd feel a clicking in my head, I'd feel this weird anxiety out of nowhere, and it was really hard to contextualize it because I was a kid at the time. They made me worse. I got higher grades, but felt more distant from things.

My mom told me she actually got better results helping my focus with fish oil, instead of stimulant medication. The nutritive solution seemed to help me focus without the anxiety out of nowhere.

How the story ends is: I stopped the stimulant through highschool. In college stresses built up, and I tried them again. They caused the same anxiety, and I had to stop. They just made me feel strung out. My grades stayed high but they led to bad habits. I could take a stimulant and stay up all night writing my paper the night before. And then I'd get rewarded with a good grade, an A, although I didn't feel I really deserved it since I was barely aware of myself while writing that paper.

In the end I had to go off them again, and I found it really hard to focus on things again. I struggled through things, but still got into grad school. However, I greatly preferred struggling with myself and trying to manage my life my own way, than to be stimulant medicated.

I am speaking as someone who was diagnosed as ADHD, who used the stimulants in prescribed doses, and who noticed that they helped me 'focus' - EVEN THEN, I don't think they were good for me. The drawbacks outweighed the upsides by a lot. The biggest drawback was anxiety. But another drawback was that I became almost useless to do anything when I didn't have them. They are a drug that practically requires you to use them at all times, and makes you a bit worse without them. In other words, even prescribed doses cause dependence! They bandaid over the lack of focus but leave the true cause, trouble organizing, unsolved.

I say just don't use stimulants, man. Respect your body and mind more than to do that. Adderall is almost the same as methamphetamine, chemically speaking. There's some chemical difference in terms of availability at serotonin receptors (meth being higher), but adderall still hits the serotonin receptors. The only real difference is the medical schedule that regulates the use and purpose of the drug, and keeps the dose low. ADHD people are prescribed it in 10-30mg doses at first, while a meth user will have much more than that at once, smoked to hit faster.

So you let me emphasize that, if you want to help and not hurt your body, do not take stimulants in any way whatsoever that is not under the guidance of a doctor! Do not self administate these drugs at your whim! That is a dangerous road that doesn't go well for nearly anyone. If you have a doctor specifically prescribing you them, you could consider it, but even then seek a second opinion and only take as prescribed. By no means self-medicate with them! Read a meth horror story or two before you think it's a good idea to self-administrate stimulant therapy. Realize that it's basically the same drug, and realize that no one is immune to addicting effects.

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If I tried to take something to treat my hyperactive disorder. While still on MAOI diet. Because I really love it. I have never felt and looked better.





How often do you take MAOIs?

As you suspected, it is dangerous and unsafe to take any stimulant while on an MAOI. Just don't combine them, at all. Wait at least 2 or 3 days since taking the stimulant to take any MAOI; or the reverse, wait 3 days after no using an MAOI to use any stimulant.


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Re: Maoi Diet & ADD or ADHD? [Re: CreonAntigone]
    #28452098 - 08/30/23 07:43 AM (4 months, 27 days ago)

It seems like we are of the same mind. I am seeking therapy. Not psychiatry. They just wanna throw compounds at you. Force you to do something difgerent with chemicals.

I think it’s important to learn to how to change your thinking yourself. You shouldn’t need a chemical to force you to do something.
I will try the fish oil. I do have some I just don’t take it as consistently as I should. That would probably help with memory. Aya is a hell of an accelerant for us. It just makes me feel like I am the most creative. I can possibly be right now. But I come off like a loon sometimes. Then I have to come back and edit. But when I come back down off it. Baseline again. My thoughts slow back down.

It’s just something I have always struggled with. Ayahusca has the same affect as five cappuccinos for a regular person. Except with dreamlike artistic inspiration. Thank you for your insight and story. It has reaffirmed how I felt about medicating my condition. I don’t want to take any meds. I want to learn to focus myself.


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Re: Maoi Diet & ADD or ADHD? [Re: GenesisCorrupted]
    #28452440 - 08/30/23 01:51 PM (4 months, 27 days ago)

I hope you find a good psychiatrist as that'd be the best help. There's a lot you can do to organize things by working through it.

Until then I'd recommend writing things down. Have a journal for important thoughts or 'to dos'. Then you can go back to it and see what you said before you got sidetracked. Let yourself be the one to remind you to get on task.

Starting an exercise regimen helps balance the dopamine in your brain, it's like taking a really good drug with few side-effects. Walk every day or as often as you can, and do strength training a few times a week and cardio (exercise until your heart starts pumping) a few times a week.

If coffee works for you and makes you calmer, you could make a habit of making yourself some each morning, it could be a ritual. Coffee is a mixed bag for me which is why I haven't made it a habit myself.

If you want just a little energy, something more appropriate for everyday, there are some pretty good supplements. These arent as side-effects free as fish oil, but - bacopa and ashwagandha have helped me at times to have a clearer mind. NAC helps some people with obsessive thought patterns, and it helped me a lot though I got some minor side-effects. But for the same reason drugs shouldn't be the go-to, supplements shouldn't be the main solution, just something in the toolkit.


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Re: Maoi Diet & ADD or ADHD? [Re: CreonAntigone]
    #28452450 - 08/30/23 01:57 PM (4 months, 27 days ago)

Like I said. I’m not super interested in medication. I’m not very maladjusted. I’m just very hyperactive when I’m on that chemical. It makes me come off as overly eager. Perhaps prone to flights of whimsy.
Dreams of grandeur even.
But honestly when I’m sober, I’m a pretty chill, very reasonable person.  I love detail and science.
I’m not so crazy I’m out here looking for wardrobes to get to Narnia through.
I just got a little messed up and I’m gonna work through it.
I just need more help organizing my thoughts. And I need to fully release any residual anger that I had. It was so habitual. It’s still kind of creeping around. But honestly, I think I just need to talk to somebody. This community has been incredibly therapeutic. Mostly…

Out of curiosity if you were my psychiatrist, what would you recommend to me?

I feel like I want to be able to learn to live without medication. Find better ways to focus.


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Re: Maoi Diet & ADD or ADHD? [Re: GenesisCorrupted] * 1
    #28452492 - 08/30/23 02:51 PM (4 months, 27 days ago)

Since I'm not a psychiatrist I can't give that kind of advice. I learned from experience that it's often inappropriate to ask friends for psychiatric advice like one would ask of a professional. I am not a professional and a professional relationship differs from a personal one. I can just offer general advice based on experience, and preface that I'm not an expert.

My advice to you I've already given mostly. If the drug has caused you to be off the walls, practice abstinence for a long time from psychedelics - it sounds like you're already doing this. My suggestions to keep a journal and exercise are good ones I think, they really work for some people though not neccesarily for you.

I think you should seek to be grounded and to find regularity. You have gone very far in the direction of euphoria, but now is probably the time to let euphoria fade and develop the skills of everyday life.

You should develop a habit of some kind that isn't centered on drugs - it could be meditation, reading, exercising, anything that improves you little by little.


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Re: Maoi Diet & ADD or ADHD? [Re: CreonAntigone]
    #28453005 - 08/30/23 11:22 PM (4 months, 26 days ago)

I have tons of skills. I spent today with family and just talked about stuff. Got to see the movie “the artist.”
Pretty funny I wish they had based more heavily on Bob Ross though.
I’m definitely going in the right direction. I’m just gonna keep going. Thank you.


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    #28453880 - 08/31/23 05:05 PM (4 months, 25 days ago)

I should say when I say 'habit' I mean something a bit different than just skills. I mean a really regimented practice, something you repeat and possibly schedule to make yourself better. I think it is more effective than to do work on someting here and there. Skills are great, but some people find themselves only honing their skills a few times a year, whereas a habit means regular practice on a set timeframe.

So for example, the habit of going for a walk, or the habit of going for a jog. The habit of going to a cafe every day (good for the soul, but expensive). The habit of calling a specific person every day.

Meditation is a good habit if you can get into it, very good for the mind. Playing the guitar every day for 10 minutes is a good habit, working on concentration skills and developing musical ability.

Those are just examples but the habits you might benefit from will be unique to you.


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Re: Maoi Diet & ADD or ADHD? [Re: CreonAntigone]
    #28453933 - 08/31/23 05:34 PM (4 months, 25 days ago)

I’ve made appointments. I am trying to get some Uber money to go & see my PC.
I’m trying to get Daphne from Frasier.
Honestly, all the stuff I said in my third trip might have been a metaphorical prophecy. Because I am not a delusional person. Maybe. However, delusional person no really?
Everyone has delusions.
However, I’m a very logical person.
I approach things with logic, reason & science.

But ever since that. I’ve just been trying to make that dream I was having come true.
The more I look at my situation & where I am.

So far, all of it sounds like it can come true quite easily.

In fact, all of it is in the works.

I talked to my lawyer today about speaking to a reputable publishing house. To see if they would be open to having the cost of publication be part of the claim. That’s what I wanna spend the money on anyways. That, a house, & car.

I’ve decided that I live in a crappy neighborhood, in a nice house. So I’m definitely moving. Not gonna be anywhere near the airport anymore…

Honestly, I really appreciate the the concern you’re showing. You’re a very empathetic & caring person.

But I have never been better in my life.
I used Aya today. Never went outside. Never talk to any people. Just rested and worked out in my room. Listening to Tibetan monks chanting.
Meditating, Exercising, Practicing yoga, Making writing prompts. Plus posting on here and responding to you right now.

What I experienced on that third trip. Was my ego having one last scream at the heavens.
Then he died.
I buried my old life.
It was over.
I have started my new life.
Aya is part of it.

Love ya. 😘
Looking forward to your response.
Sincerely,
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Re: Maoi Diet & ADD or ADHD? [Re: GenesisCorrupted]
    #28454402 - 09/01/23 12:30 AM (4 months, 25 days ago)

What are your dreams, that you wish to make come true?


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    #28454576 - 09/01/23 07:12 AM (4 months, 25 days ago)

The dream of what my life could be like. That I had during the third. It feels like all of the messages were delivered in the form of metaphors. But over the weeks I’ve just been kind of pulling it apart like a puzzle. In theory. All of that stuff could be true and I have been working to make it so.


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Re: Maoi Diet & ADD or ADHD Questions [Re: GenesisCorrupted]
    #28455186 - 09/01/23 05:34 PM (4 months, 24 days ago)

So I saw Chocolate on the list. But there is such a very wide range of chocolate. Is it because cocoa beans are such an old protein. That they’re high in thyramine?
So milk chocolate would have far less? The black dark chocolate would be the most dangerous? Or in general are they just talking about preservatives always used in almost all chocolate bars. Which would definitely be bad. I would love clarity on this.


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    #28455319 - 09/01/23 07:14 PM (4 months, 24 days ago)

You should also make sure you bring your dreams to life. That is, if you have a dream within a dream, a dream within a trip, it can't actualize itself without changing to accomodate real circumstances. It is tough work to make a dream actually real.

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So I saw Chocolate on the list. But there is such a very wide range of chocolate. Is it because cocoa beans are such an old protein. That they’re high in thyramine?
So milk chocolate would have far less? The black dark chocolate would be the most dangerous? Or in general are they just talking about preservatives always used in almost all chocolate bars. Which would definitely be bad. I would love clarity on this.




What list?
Chocolate contains many weak MAOIs within it. A high dose of cacao will potentate other drugs. It also contains the alkaloid theobromine, similar to caffeine but with its effects more in the body than the mind.

It is very possibly to overdo chocolate in combination with other drugs. Chocolate becomes a drug itself, in that case. My friend once ate too much chocolate right as he was taking shrooms, for the MAOI effect, and he was vomiting a lot. I've taken too much chocolate before as well, which wasn't much more than 5 large scoops of pure raw cacao powder - and I got really bad cramps and nausea from the alkaloids.

Best to use moderation with chocolate. The darker the chocolate, the more of a 'drug' it is, because that means it has more cacao powder and a higher alkaloid content.

I would not recommend taking chocolate if you've taken any other drugs due to this potentating effect. EG if you've had harmalas, chocolate is very inadvisable - if your body is unable to eliminate all that theobromine, it could cause strain on the heart.

But on its own and in moderation, chocolate can be quite healthy. It provides a little stimulation without intoxication. It is probably good for heart health when taken as part of a regular diet.


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Re: Maoi Diet & ADD or ADHD Questions [Re: CreonAntigone]
    #28455355 - 09/01/23 07:55 PM (4 months, 24 days ago)

I did a lot of research on what you could and could not eat in preparation for ayahusca.
Chocolate, citrus, bananas, caffeine, almost every medication, in particular, antidepressants, melatonin.

https://mainiti.org/preparation/

That basically listed every ingredient in it. Maybe I just assumed. But I could’ve sworn I saw it somewhere and I wanted clarity on which type. Milk or dark.


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    #28455389 - 09/01/23 08:22 PM (4 months, 24 days ago)

Milk chocolate is merely diluted choclate, a lower percent of pure cacao but it still contains alkaloids. I'd recommend none if you're taking ayahuasca.

No reason you can't enjoy chocolate at any other time, though.


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Re: Maoi Diet & ADD or ADHD Questions [Re: CreonAntigone]
    #28455391 - 09/01/23 08:26 PM (4 months, 24 days ago)

No, not that. I don’t wanna mix those compounds.
But here I have this.

This is the only one I’ll be able to get for a very long time. I’m also not sure exactly how much more “dense “ it is. I was thinking of taking some of the Syrian rue before a tiny bit.
But like you said the alkaloids. It also naturally contains caffeine. They do react the opposite direction for me, though….
I am also quite healthy. So do you think it’s a concern?

“Psyahusca” to coin the term

Marijuana feels exempt from “mixing compounds”
I mean I do know that it is technically a psychedelic. But honestly, it doesn’t seem like it has a negative affect mixing with almost anything. I do always wonder what the pure affect would’ve been like. But as far as nausea goes, I can’t think of a better medication.

For whatever reason. You can’t get any actual mushrooms. But these are very available.


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Re: Maoi Diet & ADD or ADHD Questions [Re: GenesisCorrupted]
    #28456080 - 09/02/23 02:05 PM (4 months, 24 days ago)

With all due respect, you didn't really coin that term. It's called psilohuasca, you can see the thread about it.

Yeah you could take a little bit of rue and mushroom chocolate. Read some of the experiences from that thread. If it's just a little bit of chocolate like in that bar, it'll probably be fine.

It's probably a better idea to try a little bit of the chocolate bar on its own first before mixing it with anything though - guage the strength from your point of view.

I always find it interesting that you have chocolate bars like that with brand names, yet they're selling an illegal product. I'd say it's fine as long as you are 100% sure that the chocolate bar is exactly what is advertised, and has no adulterants - complete trust in where you got it from.


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    #28456135 - 09/02/23 02:37 PM (4 months, 24 days ago)

Oh No, I meant I was using the term. I didn’t realize to coin the term was claiming ownership of it. Thank you for telling me that.
Also, I didn’t realize I was spelling it wrong. I kind of like my spelling a little more. But that’s fine.
The team over there is really reputable. They wouldn’t carry an inferior product. They also test all their products before they sell it.
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Re: Maoi Diet & ADD or ADHD Questions [Re: GenesisCorrupted]
    #28456149 - 09/02/23 02:45 PM (4 months, 24 days ago)

Coining a term means to come up with it.


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Re: Maoi Diet & ADD or ADHD Questions [Re: CreonAntigone]
    #28456150 - 09/02/23 02:46 PM (4 months, 24 days ago)

🤷♂️
That’s my bad. Is there a term for just using a term? 😂

I just really liked how it sounded. But I’m not gonna claim ownership over something that’s not mine. That really grinds my gears  when people do that. 😝


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