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CreonAntigone
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Re: </shroomery> - I require a Permaban [Re: Northerner] 4
#28450166 - 08/28/23 04:33 PM (4 months, 28 days ago) |
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I just don't understand why he had to insist on being banned. Maybe in his mind it was the way to cut himself off from this site and not have to worry about it again. He had already quit for good, and then came right back - maybe in his mind he could only keep his resolve to stay away if he was banned.
But I don't think it was the best exit he could've chosen. Even if he closed his account and never looked back, I don't see a reason why he'd have to burn the bridge on his way out. Especially since there are, indeed, many people that respect and care about him here, and still do. It didn't accord with the message of love and acceptance we were all familiar with from him in the past - even when he was sick, he always expressed it.
But since I myself have been in the throws of things in the past, and at times found it hard to maintain civility, I can't really find myself in a position to judge or throw stones. I'm just here to show my love for asante and hope for his health and recovery, wherever he chooses to roam.
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Re: </shroomery> - I require a Permaban [Re: Asante] 8
#28450170 - 08/28/23 04:43 PM (4 months, 28 days ago) |
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I don't post here much anymore, I keep one thread updated in Vets forum but I was always curious about how he made it so long on all the substances. He's very articulate in his posts and ideas, but they always seem to be coming form a nonsensical place, but that's also part to my staunch atheism and cynicism.
Always posting about being healthy and positive quitting this or that and a few days later is back on some crazy RC.
I hope he gets help. I hit my bottom with alcohol and quit it forever, sober date 6/23/22...never looked back and like is insanely better.
I don't wanna be too nosy, but I kinda want the full story. Ok maybe I'm a little nosey.
I was a mod here for a few years back in the golden age of Shroomery and the Admins were always fair, rational and compassionate. A lot can be learned from those guys. I refuse to believe that they were that cold to him.
He probably made some poor dscisons in the mod and Admin forum and we won't see those conversations because they're private and those guys do not gossip.
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Re: </shroomery> - I require a Permaban [Re: CreonAntigone] 6
#28450172 - 08/28/23 04:44 PM (4 months, 28 days ago) |
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Asante and I had a rough relationship here, at least to some degree. The COVID pandemic and the handling of it, well, let's say we butt heads. Especially in the early months of it. He even banned me from the main COVID thread.
Anyways, I never wished ill will on the dude, and I respect that ultimately he means well. That said, his posting habits over the last few months were not of the same Asante of the previous years I have known him here. It was worrisome for sure. We all go through shit in our lives. Hell, in the last nine months I separated with my wife, lost my job, and had to start basically all over. It wasn't easy. It's still not easy. It's important that we respect that Asante is probably going through something, and that we still stand to support him as much as we can via a dumb drug forum.
Asante, if you are reading this, please take care of yourself. You have many people here that truly appreciate you.
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Re: </shroomery> - I require a Permaban [Re: christopera] 7
#28450176 - 08/28/23 04:48 PM (4 months, 28 days ago) |
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I loved Asante like a brother in-law
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Re: </shroomery> - I require a Permaban [Re: Asante] 1
#28450177 - 08/28/23 04:48 PM (4 months, 28 days ago) |
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Deciding to to leave shroomery by getting perma'd was a pretty bad idea, for me anyway, I always regretted doing that. Its a very burn all bridges / scorched earth way of leaving. Kind of sucks when you want to come back and have to to say sorry to everyone and rebuild those bridges, thanks for unbanning that time Asante. Omnicyclion is like impossible to type and spell by the way, you will always be asante to me.
Good luck I hope everything works out for you man.
Was typing this and CreonAntigone said same thing
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Re: </shroomery> - I require a Permaban [Re: viraldrome] 1
#28450288 - 08/28/23 06:04 PM (4 months, 28 days ago) |
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Well Asante won't be back now after that puppet post lol. The site is still weak on being able to stop puppet attack, your IP will be banned now though.
At first I was like why mods delete it? But meh numbers are sensitive, its supposed to be internal communications are not to be posted.
TLDR Ythan won't spend money on whatever the voices in asantes head suggest.
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Re: </shroomery> - I require a Permaban [Re: viraldrome]
#28450303 - 08/28/23 06:14 PM (4 months, 28 days ago) |
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What was the post?
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Re: </shroomery> - I require a Permaban [Re: Shroomslip] 15
#28450317 - 08/28/23 06:27 PM (4 months, 28 days ago) |
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Just to clear the air of speculation, Asante made a puppet which he used to make a post here about our private payrolls, insinuating that Ythan and I were involved in a "heist" against the Shroomery. I had composed the following reply, which I was unable to post at the time, because our community moderator Northerner removed his post while I was composing my reply. Our goal is not to create more drama. Nevertheless, as it is clear that several folks already read Asante's puppet post, and as Asante may yet still wish to create waves surrounding his belief that Ythan and I are mismanaging the Shroomery, I will leave my response here so that it may be referenced with regard to any future attempts to stir the pot.
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Asante, you don't need to use puppets in attempts to sow seeds of discontent here. I understand you feel wronged, and I am sorry for whatever part I played in perpetuating those feelings. If you would like to continue to participate in our community, please just use your own account, simply ask and we will be happy to unlock it. The only reason it was locked in the first place was per your own request.
Yes, Ythan and I (amongst others) do get paid for our services in managing the back end of the Shroomery. You yourself have been paid well for the time you put in helping us over the years. The Shroomery is, in fact, a business. Our books aren't open to the public, but I have no problem admitting that there was an exceptional year where owners received a large bonus, yet it is also worth noting that my direct efforts in managing our accounts resulted in the surplus treasury valued several times over the amount of that one time bonus that was taken. If your intent is to insinuate that we are mismanaging or - worse - stealing from the community, those are some serious accusations that I admittedly take personal offense to.
The manner in which we have served this community has been fairly transparent throughout the years. We don't air our laundry on the open forum, because we want the community to be its own organic self. I'm not sure what it is you are expecting to accomplish by disseminating matters pertaining to private payrolls, but I would suggest your energy is best directed elsewhere.
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Re: </shroomery> - I require a Permaban [Re: geokills]
#28450327 - 08/28/23 06:36 PM (4 months, 28 days ago) |
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I'll give my info freely to ythan or any of the admins if they ask so it is impossible to heist me
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Re: </shroomery> - I require a Permaban [Re: spirit_shadow] 1
#28450331 - 08/28/23 06:38 PM (4 months, 28 days ago) |
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You'd give your info freely to anybody though.
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Re: </shroomery> - I require a Permaban [Re: christopera]
#28450334 - 08/28/23 06:40 PM (4 months, 28 days ago) |
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That doesn't change how I feel
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Re: </shroomery> - I require a Permaban [Re: spirit_shadow]
#28450397 - 08/28/23 07:37 PM (4 months, 28 days ago) |
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Wow Asante is a great guy but yeah his mental state is very concerning. This seems like a total cluster. I wish him recovery and don't know what else to say. A permaban won't solve anything however
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I'm posting just to be included in the craziness.

Seems like an unfortunate turn of events. But seems to be handled well by the Shroomery admin and moderators.  
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Quote:
theRealrollforever said: I loved Asante like a brother in-law
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Re: </shroomery> - I require a Permaban [Re: geokills] 1
#28450526 - 08/28/23 09:00 PM (4 months, 28 days ago) |
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Doing something like that was not the way to argue that he shouldn't have been removed from that access in the first place.
The contradictions alone are very concerning.
Like I've had considerable disagreements on how the site was handled and especially some staff decisions and I've been very vocal about it. But even though I liked and respected Asante and know he did more to clean up the cesspit parts of the website than most of the staff combined this is something I support you guys 100% on.
I've listened to both sides of the story and I can't even make sense of Asante's (in part because he keeps contradicting himself.) It has been an extremely sad affair to witness in so far as I have been able. It sounds like at every turn y'all have done what was best for the website and even then only when you felt you were forced into it.
For that and other reasons you admins have my deepest respect.
Be well and take care of yourself Wiccan Seeker/Asante/Omnicyclion.
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Re: </shroomery> - I require a Permaban [Re: CookieCrumbs]
#28450616 - 08/28/23 11:08 PM (4 months, 28 days ago) |
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Every fucking time I hit the ban lotto....
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Re: </shroomery> - I require a Permaban [Re: spirit_shadow] 1
#28450632 - 08/28/23 11:52 PM (4 months, 28 days ago) |
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Dude stop entering into the ban lottery.
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Re: </shroomery> - I require a Permaban [Re: CookieCrumbs] 2
#28450640 - 08/29/23 12:23 AM (4 months, 28 days ago) |
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Eversince the Goodbye Shroomery thread, I felt like Asante wasn't acting the same. The way I hear it, he's been abusing dissociatives? I mean, he's mentioned it actually serval times it just never sank in. When I was taking MXE I did alot of dumb shit that fucked up my life for awhile. Maybe he just needs a break and later when he figures things out he'll come to his senses and calm down. I did the exact same thing acting out and pissed alot of people off doing that shit. I finally kicked the habit but had to deal with the consequences and hurt relationships
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Re: </shroomery> - I require a Permaban [Re: Asante] 2
#28450650 - 08/29/23 12:52 AM (4 months, 28 days ago) |
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To be honest, I'm worried about Asante. Something seems different lately. His decision to start using entheogens again was very out of the ordinary. Before that, he had a major health scare.
I'm genuinely deeply concerned about his mental wellbeing and the place he's in. The stuff brought up in this thread is also out of character for him. I've been an atheist for a long time but we've always gotten along really well and I've had respect for his beliefs and vice versa. He's always been one of the most respectful, loving, and caring guys, even to people who he disagrees with. Even to people who hate him. I'm genuinely worried about him. I hope he's okay. Even when he was taking MXE, it wasn't like this, I feel like maybe something is wrong.
We still love and care about you Asante. I hope that message gets through.
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Re: </shroomery> - I require a Permaban [Re: Ogla] 1
#28450663 - 08/29/23 01:34 AM (4 months, 28 days ago) |
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Ogla said: Eversince the Goodbye Shroomery thread, I felt like Asante wasn't acting the same.
No shit. He's psychotic. It's sad and worrying that he's going through another episode after an extended period of (as far as we know) a seemingly stable mindset. The drugs certainly won't have helped and will have played a role in catalyzing another episode of psychosis. Let's just hope that he can manage to right himself, and that external help will be activated in a scenario where he destabilizes to the extent of posing immediate danger to himself or his surroundings.
This pattern is really common among people who suffer from psychosis. I've seen a lot 'analysis' of the situation over the past weeks when I occasionally dropped in here. The one thing I'd say is, just don't make too much out of the ideas he's been putting forth. Some of it may be sort of insightful if you read it in a very optimistic way, but most of it is really fairly random and garbled rambling of a really confused mind.
Please keep in mind that what we're seeing here is really psychosis playing out. I see some mention of certain actions being a 'bad idea', inconsistent etc. - evidently that's the case, and that's to be expected, too. He's currently not capable (at least some/much of the time) of figuring out what's a good or bad idea, or what's real and what's not in the first place. He's really, really lost and as such, it doesn't make all that much sense trying to figure out what he's up to or what rationale he has for acting the way he's been doing.
Asante/WS/etc. has evidently had extended periods of a more functional state of mind in which he's been in touch with reality for the most part. That's a good thing, because it means it's technically possible for him to regain such a state of mind. I personally think that some help from the psychiatric community would be beneficial to making that transition happen, but I have a feeling this is something he himself will violently reject. Let's just hope he'll accept some form of help, if and when offered, so that he can back on his feet a little quicker.
I used to have a neighbor (for about 20 years) who had a history of psychosis, but who was dialed into medication quite successfully and as such, managed to live a relatively smooth life. What helped her, was a stable lifestyle, avoidance of anything that might rock the mental boat and she was actually very apt at recognizing such factors and eliminating them from her life as much as possible. She's still doing fine, as far as I know. There's some hope in her story for Asante, in my view. There's a more or less stable plateau he could reach (again). Let's hope he manages to scramble back on there one of these days, come back, and be a functional member of this weird society again.
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