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I renounce my faith in Religion
#28443880 - 08/23/23 01:35 PM (5 months, 2 days ago) |
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God is fake there is no such thing. Luck is fake its just something that happens every so often. Religion is nothing but a fantasy the truth is there is just black darkness and people trying to prove otherwise. People gone through incredible amounts of time to prove God is real to atheists but its just people who want you to believe because they want what they are saying to be true they want a afterlife will tell you they are certain but in truth nobody knows what happens when you die. I thinks its just over like a black empty space with nothing no time no thoughts no memories just over like the whole thing never happened. We have religious nutjobs trying to prevent you from enjoying life on earth to declare eternal life. Don't believe it have fun when you cannot have another life, do what you want to not waste you only guarantied gift of life on earth. I just wish the people who study religion like priests and nuns would admit that they just want it to be true they are not 100% certain. 99% certain my guess is but even the pope is not certain about the afterlife. It is what is it is a hope a desire a want but all in all a fantasy and delusion holding us back from enjoying the one life we know for certain is real.
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A monk asked a Zen Master, “What happens when you die?” The Zen master replied, “I don’t know.” The monk said, “What do you mean? Aren’t you a Zen master?” And the Zen master replied, “Yes, but I’m not a dead one.”
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Religion was made by man for man. If all religious scripture were simply deleted from the planet today it would never come back in the same form because those who made it are gone forever. But the question would still remain and religion would be back but it wouldn't be called Christianity or Islam etc
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Poignant reading with the song I haven't heard in forever. 
Tangibles are in internal experience. We know the various pursuits including entheogens result in experience and insight that are not otherwise typically available. The sublimities are, and the states of meditation are, sense of self goes or is expanded. This is not doubted in experience.
It all can be explained in brain dynamics. Or there is strong inclination to.
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Re: I renounce my faith in Religion [Re: syncro] 1
#28444490 - 08/23/23 09:07 PM (5 months, 2 days ago) |
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My religion is reality..
My religion is knowledge..
My religion is truth..
My religion is curiosity-abstraction.
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Re: I renounce my faith in Religion [Re: BrendanFlock]
#28446285 - 08/25/23 10:44 AM (5 months, 21 hours ago) |
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I think God is in Hell. I think whatever God is took its own life because of a nazi that did not believe in him. I had a dream I was running a concentration camp and had decided to find out if God was real. I dreamed I took 3 crosses and found the most kind people I could of 3 religions a catholic priest a rabi and a Muslim. I dreamed I personally nailed them to the cross gave them a crown of thorns and started to question them in the meanest ways you can imagine. I said stuff like where is your Jew god or Alah where is Christ now? I dreamed I tormented the people who believed in God so bad I got them to call me God admitted he is not real and I am. I dreamed that when this happened in the 1940s that God took its own life for what happened because the nazi got them to go to hell and God felt bad for his followers I think about the turtle from IT by Stephen King the turtle was God and then died. The turtle cant save us.
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Mary Oliver;
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I want to be full of curiosity. What will it be like that cottage of darkness?
Philip B. Yampolsky; Daikon Eno [Hui Neng] (638-713) - The Platform Sutra of the Sixth Patriarch: The Text of the Tun-Huang Manuscript;
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Do not sit with a mind fixed on emptiness. If you do you will fall into a neutral kind of emptiness. Emptiness includes the sun, moon, stars, and planets, the great earth, mountains and rivers, all trees and grasses, bad men and good men, bad things and good things, heaven and hell; they are all in the midst of emptiness. The emptiness of human nature is also like this.
... Although you see all men and non-men, evil and good, evil things and good things, you must not throw them aside, nor must you cling to them, nor must you be stained by them, but you must regard them as being just like the empty sky.
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Re: I renounce my faith in Religion [Re: spinvis]
#28446758 - 08/25/23 07:02 PM (5 months, 13 hours ago) |
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I think it's just a big Russian nesting doll of dreams, or maybe a hologram.
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What churchgoers are trying to do is be like whatever "deity" they're going to church to learn from, the deity is an archetype which the pastor is like a Jungian analyst who helps people figure out how to relate to certain experiences that one might encounter when they have a Christ or similar deity type archetypal experience.
You integrate the message into your being and by doing so you then take the message outside of the church and apply it to your own life in order to grow. It's not that hard but many believers in certain things make things "literal" and this is where the problem arises.
I speak about the Christ story because I was raised in it, but nowadays I don't identify as either an atheist or theist, so just FYI.
It makes more sense that when the Nazarene walked on water the story was about trusting your friends in time of need, meaning when you're drowning in life (not doing well) don't hesitate to pick up the phone and call a friend, which is something many of us do, it wasn't literal.
This doesn't take away from the Christ story having an important impact in life for many people that follow it, an atheist or a theist could apply this line of thinking to the Christ story, don't get caught up in the cultural stuff which is surrounding an important lesson which is "the golden rule" and I think that the golden rule is found throughout so many belief structures because it's what they're supposed to be about but many of them get mired down by cultural dogmas.
One thing I see in fields of science, we choose aliens and AI as the new "god of the gaps" for the current age, when we don't figure something out we throw a curve ball at it and swing until it makes sense somewhat. Humans are strange, but at least we're searching for meaning and it's the searching for meaning that is actually considered spiritual, don't let the dogmatic religious type mire your mind down in what is appropriate for one culture that spawned the relgion, because cultures vary because they're all a product of conscious experience.
We all experience the qualia associated with church in our own way, for some it's good, others bad, but neither side is right or wrong because it's just an experience that is only relevant to the one person experiencing it.
Everyone in a congregation has their own conscious experience of what they're being taught, so I think we should keep an open mind and just give each other peace and that's good enough, no matter what you're into just try to create peace and practice the golden rule and you're doing better than many.
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There are literally zero good reasons to believe a god exists
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Re: I renounce my faith in Religion [Re: GeckoMaBoi]
#28462027 - 09/08/23 01:08 AM (4 months, 18 days ago) |
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Seriously, going to church isn't that big of a deal, you guys are overthinking it. If you play along there's loads of babes and sometimes they feed you
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jack_straw2208 said: Seriously, going to church isn't that big of a deal, you guys are overthinking it. If you play along there's loads of babes and sometimes they feed you
Feed your head Mr. Caterpillar!
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Re: I renounce my faith in Religion [Re: BrendanFlock]
#28462116 - 09/08/23 05:40 AM (4 months, 18 days ago) |
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you should never have faith in religion
you should only have faith in God
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Re: I renounce my faith in Religion [Re: Asante] 2
#28462265 - 09/08/23 09:39 AM (4 months, 17 days ago) |
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Union with God was intentially left out of Organized Religion to keep God-realization a worthy secret.
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FishOilTheKid said: Union with God was intentially left out of Organized Religion to keep God-realization a worthy secret.
if the people have direct communion with God... Its God's flok, not the pastor's cash cows.
Thats one thing i so love about what God did with Omnicyclion: cutting out the middle man. The eBook is free unlimited copy, He puts down the story, if you click with it and completely explicitly want to be contacted by the All-Encompassing One, the Oneness encompassing Good and Evil within it too, that you only knew for half a sentence at the start of Genesis 1:1 wherein he blasts himself to smittereens for us all to be.
That only Complete One, reunited with Mohammed, Jesus, Abraham. Adam -the totality of everything, if you an unite with that Oneand an forgive everything of everyone, offers you a personal preliminary Covenant in understanding of His nature so direly misrepresented through time:

This is an invocation, a spirit contract, only you can offer and the true God can take.
If you say it and you mean it and you MEAN IT you open a door for Divinity to enter.
Your interaction with the world will gradually separate out a Tulpa that explicitly is a cockpit to your organism for the Highest Power of your Subconsious to take seat in the council of your conscious inner life.
On it's own it will make increasingly clear that more than mere deductive logic and emotion goes on there.
What i'm talking about is
Deity Yoga
becoming part of the Multiplicity subculture in that you in your brain generate a Tulpa, an Imaginary Friend for the expressed purpose of letting the highest part of your subconsious power that dialogue.
Neuroplasticity.
Once you have that imaginary friend, it will distinguish itself, i say it again, by defying random chance to ease you into the fact that the brain not just has a "God archetype" but that this archetype in fact influences all aspects of reality at will.
God didnt light my candle for others to gather round me: he wants to light your candle and more and more candles to tilt the balance from global extintion towards a galactic civilisation.
God is lighting candles all over the world in an exponential curve into the Spiritual Singularity
The Singularity isnt just something happening in AI, its a cascade of mind, spirit and AI maxing out several parameters.
Omnicyclion isn't a "one a day till your dying day" pharm that tucks in the symptoms: It is a cure, take one and be forever healed.
The sickness ailing the world is that people are unlearning to listen to that liiittle voice inside of them that faded when they grew up, that liiittle voice of reason, of decency and compassion, reaching out to your neighbor, doing the right thing for the right reasons, plant flocking trees in Africa in a pandemic..
That little voice that by neglect seemed dimmer and dimmer because you prioritized other things over and over it, obscuring the light, placing idols between you and the True Inner Light (thou shalt not have other Gods before me - Exodus 20:30)
Its still there. That glowing wick wants to spring alight, relight your candle the flame wants to become a roaring fire of passion for the Highest..
Can you feel it?

THAT VOICE is the one you need to get in contact with over and over and greater and greater: the source of your Goodness you had as a child.
Rekindle that flame.

Get Good, noob
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Re: I renounce my faith in Religion [Re: Asante] 1
#28462635 - 09/08/23 06:38 PM (4 months, 17 days ago) |
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Why are you calling me a noob?
I AM THE NEW BEATITUDE!
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I was using the gamer expression "get good, noob" as an enouraging comment fior all of us, myself included, to steo up our game.
that said..
It is immediately obvious how Entheogens of the Day (serotonin type) and Entheogens of the night (NMDA type) but also Salvia and Cannabis an help very well in this process, in a trip but also in a microdose.
If you are in a trip with free time on your hands, direct conscious effort into reconneting with Love Itself within you.
The more potently you do that, the stronger the neural bridge between the highest part of your subonsious mind and your consious mind becomes.
It cannot stay with intent, in bargaining with love you need harder curreny than words, you need actions, put your tangibles where your mouth is.
Make offerings of benevolent works of Good going into the session and let the session inspire you into yet greater benevolent works of Good.
Get your hands dirty: help in a soup kitchen, visit grandma with a shopping bag of oatmeal, beans, stuff that will be there for her if she catches a cold or whatnot. Be the most awesome uncle to your niece and nephew in the whole wide world, share some garden produce with a neighbor, teach n00bs how to grow a tub right, start a perennial shroom garden patch of an endangered species.
Here's a roll of cookies and a can from my shopping trolly. Look guys: fresh mushies, never had those right? My treat! Hey dad, thought i'd call. Soo.. how was the test?
The Shroomery has done EPIC things these past thanksgivings:



I sincerely hope we continue this tradition.
in doing great things, we too are elevated.

in the same way, benevolent works of good go both ways too.
ENTHEOGEN = giving rise to the Divine Within
has your star swollen to be your Sun yet?
Entheogens WILL help you if you set out to connect to the Highest within you.
you now know how Entheogens can help you connect.
I highly suggest connecting with your Highest before embarking on other missions of Spirit, The Spirit (wave form) of the mushroom/cactus/vine/herb/molecule/atom (xenon!) will show itself.
Then there are side quests for the less timid: going in trance and meeting with ancestors and forest spirits, such as happens in tribes. Not without powerful protection, voodou is true
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Re: I renounce my faith in Religion [Re: Asante]
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I was using the gamer expression "get good, noob" as an enouraging comment fior all of us, myself included, to steo up our game.
I see. Everything you write, and eveything you're doing is truly inspiring.
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Re: I renounce my faith in Religion [Re: GeckoMaBoi] 1
#28463168 - 09/09/23 09:22 AM (4 months, 16 days ago) |
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GeckoMaBoi said: There are literally zero good reasons to believe a god exists
that's debatable.
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Re: I renounce my faith in Religion [Re: Lucis]
#28463308 - 09/09/23 11:33 AM (4 months, 16 days ago) |
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GeckoMaBoi said: There are literally zero good reasons to believe a god exists
The amount of unhappy skeptics / philosophers is baffling xD.
Belief is a tool. I choose to believe in God and practice faith because it makes my life significantly better and happens to be both contagious and exponential.
The people that come into my realm today for the most part fill me with nothing but purpose and joy, and that is a direct result of my believing in God, actively practicing faith and attempting to just in general be a peaceable and loving person.
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Lucis said: I think we should keep an open mind and just give each other peace and that's good enough, no matter what you're into just try to create peace and practice the golden rule and you're doing better than many.
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Re: I renounce my faith in Religion [Re: GeckoMaBoi] 2
#28463443 - 09/09/23 02:56 PM (4 months, 16 days ago) |
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GeckoMaBoi said: There are literally zero good reasons to believe a god exists
there are two major reasons to believe God exists.
The first is pragmatic: it is very healthy to believe in a higher power.
The second purely rational.
But a comment like yours begs a question: What defines God to you?
An old greek bearded guy with a white robe on a platinum throne in the sky?
Not plausible.
The totality of everything and all consciousness as one?
Science has a name for it: the pre-big bang singularity.
completely plausible.
How does a black hole that sucks switch the polarity of its gravitational pull into a white hole that blows? The only way it can: it changed its mind.
And There Was Light.
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Re: I renounce my faith in Religion [Re: Spectacle]
#28463452 - 09/09/23 03:15 PM (4 months, 16 days ago) |
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Spectacle said:
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GeckoMaBoi said: There are literally zero good reasons to believe a god exists
The amount of unhappy skeptics / philosophers is baffling xD.
Belief is a tool. I choose to believe in God and practice faith because it makes my life significantly better and happens to be both contagious and exponential.
The people that come into my realm today for the most part fill me with nothing but purpose and joy, and that is a direct result of my believing in God, actively practicing faith and attempting to just in general be a peaceable and loving person.
This is what God wants. This is the direct return on your investment of Faith into something good.
Wholesome faith is rational and healthy.
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Certain tribes, when they go to war, they apply war paint to their bodies. It is their strong conviction that these ritual symbols will make them better warriors. You may think of that what you will, I won't judge it, but the fact of the matter is that regardless whether the symbols hold power, it increases their confidence, diminishes their fear and because of this, they in fact become better warriors because they feel empowered.
See what I'm saying?
I'm going to tell you a story.
You cannot truly know whether all of it is correct.
But it is a good story to invest your efforts in.
A story that can extinguish fears and doubts and make you more confident, courageous and thus, even more ABLE, to do what you do best, better.
This is a story you WANT, because its good for you.
This story is Medicine.
if you do not, ok, to stick it to agent Mulder from behind, if "I WANT TO DISBELIEVE" then you place the weight of your faith into disbelieving. Faith comes together, you choose to fall apart. You are in equilibrium with your universe, its your transation with your universe whether you want to merge with us as One or stand apart from us hierarchically as knowing better, or agnostic or hurt inside, ok.
Be an infidel , it won't hurt my feelings, what hurts is that to me the notion "there is no God" is as dysfunctional as trying to eternally leave samsara behind, misunderstood buddhism. What hurts me is the goodness you miss out on.
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Re: I renounce my faith in Religion [Re: Asante]
#28463957 - 09/10/23 02:21 AM (4 months, 16 days ago) |
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Asante said:
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GeckoMaBoi said: There are literally zero good reasons to believe a god exists
there are two major reasons to believe God exists.
The first is pragmatic: it is very healthy to believe in a higher power.
^^^ Like why would you want to be "right" but just salty and unhappy, lmao. I don't get it
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Re: I renounce my faith in Religion [Re: Asante]
#28463962 - 09/10/23 02:44 AM (4 months, 16 days ago) |
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Asante said: The first is pragmatic: it is very healthy to believe in a higher power.
Unless you kill and die for your God.
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Re: I renounce my faith in Religion [Re: AnattaAtman]
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Interesting fact of the day: A quick google search reveals that only 6,9% of all wars is religiously motivated. I would have guessed it's around thirty percent.
Ah, the joy of being wrong...
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Is the path of faith antagonistic to the path of reason? From reviewing Kierkegaard.
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Re: I renounce my faith in Religion [Re: syncro]
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Every human being has religious receptors in his brain, which he strobes with a different set of stimuli.
Some say religion is the opiate of the masses, or vice versa, or the dialectic, itself, can trigger an endorphin rush.
There are two kinds of atheists: -- Skeptic on a stick
-- Everything but Jesus

Make eye contact with any solid members of these in-groups, and you will see them in a state of religious ecstasy / mental masturbation.
Any patriotic North Korean has experienced a form of religion.
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Re: I renounce my faith in Religion [Re: syncro]
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syncro said: Is the path of faith antagonistic to the path of reason? From reviewing Kierkegaard.
But, no one says that they are practicing religion; it's absolute truth.
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Re: I renounce my faith in Religion [Re: durian_2008]
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What is not mental? The principle of mentalism is not without objectivity though, in the art of honing our psychoses. Attribution to some objective world is mental, certainly temporary in the physical.
"But, no one says that they are practicing religion; it's absolute truth."
To hoard it for oneself seems good, but not to for others in the inverted ways of judgement etc. Each their own individual. Just not harming as good as one can, with the seeming elusive proactivity of helpfulness, as some say we cannot ever be neutral, feeding the good or bad wolf.
Then there is the mystery of "necessary evil." I just caught the Taboo series someone had mentioned. The Hardy character, nasty devil, though can appear as a hero, as did Walter White though he destroyed everything, or the flow of influence beyond him. Enemy of the the enemy and all.
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Re: I renounce my faith in Religion [Re: syncro]
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I think I took your position in reverse nevertheless, looking again it seemed "in a state of religious ecstasy / mental masturbation" was referring to the zealous atheists? Either way.
The ones to consider for brain elasticity are the good and peaceful ones, atheists or no, or judging a group if need be by their best representatives. Obvious in ideal and perhaps impossible in the world, our self-psyop.
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Re: I renounce my faith in Religion [Re: syncro]
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syncro said: Is the path of faith antagonistic to the path of reason? From reviewing Kierkegaard.
Not at all, having no faith is a medical condition.
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Re: I renounce my faith in Religion [Re: durian_2008]
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syncro said: looking again it seemed "in a state of religious ecstasy / mental masturbation" was referring to the zealous atheists?
Yes.

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Re: I renounce my faith in Religion [Re: durian_2008]
#28466955 - 09/12/23 08:24 PM (4 months, 13 days ago) |
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Carl Sagan - Millions, Billions and Trillions. All the illions from Cosmos and in order.
(Just a silly tune, made from an old, educational video.)
If you will, look at his face, really, really enjoying his science. 
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The Voice Roll Technique http://www.etresoi.ch/Denis/roll.html
A "voice roll" is a patterned, paced style used by hypnotists when inducing a trance. It is also used by many lawyers, several of whom are highly trained hypnotists, when they desire to entrench a point firmly in the minds of the jurors. A voice roll can sound as if the speaker were talking to the beat of a metronome or it may sound as though he were emphasizing every word in a monotonous, patterned style. The words will usually be delivered at the rate of 45 to 60 beats per minute, maximizing the hypnotic effect...
I wonder whether those lie detector apps, which are used to monitor micro-expressions, would detect some religious ecstatic going to his happy place -- whenever some public speaker has warm-and-fuzzies, during any random, topical discussion.
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Re: I renounce my faith in Religion [Re: Lucis]
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Re: I renounce my faith in Religion [Re: Asante]
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I do not believe it is healthy to believe in a higher power, you should only believe what you have evidence for. If by higher power you mean the cosmic forces at play then that's fine; but saying the universe is god is not an argument.
'A god is a supernatural being who is considered divine or sacred'
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Re: I renounce my faith in Religion [Re: Spectacle]
#28475901 - 09/20/23 05:30 AM (4 months, 6 days ago) |
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I am perfectly happy not having sufficient evidence to warrant belief in a god or an afterlife. It makes me appreciate the life I have and the beautiful universe we live in, and that I do good things for no reason other than to be good.
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Re: I renounce my faith in Religion [Re: GeckoMaBoi]
#28476163 - 09/20/23 09:58 AM (4 months, 5 days ago) |
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GeckoMaBoi said: I do not believe it is healthy to believe in a higher power, you should only believe what you have evidence for. If by higher power you mean the cosmic forces at play then that's fine; but saying the universe is god is not an argument.
'A god is a supernatural being who is considered divine or sacred'
thats your definition. "God is the All-Encompassing One" is mine.
That single dot that gave rise to the whole universe and all the consiousness within, thats the One and it enompasses all. Inclding all consiousness so..
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Re: I renounce my faith in Religion [Re: GeckoMaBoi]
#28476586 - 09/20/23 03:39 PM (4 months, 5 days ago) |
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GeckoMaBoi said: I do not believe it is healthy to believe in a higher power, you should only believe what you have evidence for. If by higher power you mean the cosmic forces at play then that's fine; but saying the universe is god is not an argument.
'A god is a supernatural being who is considered divine or sacred'
This sounds very dogmatic to me
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On the subject I like this Alan Watts quote posted by spinvis. There is a similar argument that consciousness can only perceive its likeness.
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Alan Watts - The Tao of Philosophy 5 - Myth of Myself; "So instead, it has become fashionable—and it is nothing more than a fashion—to believe that the universe is dumb; stupid. That intelligence, values, love and fine feelings reside only within the bag of the human epidermis, and that outside that the thing is simply a kind of a chaotic, stupid interaction of blind forces.
Courtesy of Dr. Freud, for example, biological life is based on something called libido, which was a very, very loaded word. Blind, ruthless, uncomprehending lust: that’s the foundation of the human unconscious. And similarly—to thinkers of the 19th century like Ernst Haeckel, even Darwin, T. H. Huxley, and so on—there was this notion that at the root of being is an energy, and this energy is blind. This energy is just energy, and it’s utterly and totally stupid, and our intelligence is an unfortunate accident. By some weird freak of evolution we came to be these feeling and rational beings—more or less rational—and this is a ghastly mistake, because here we are in a universe that has nothing in common with us, that doesn’t share our feelings, has no real interest in us; we’re just sort of a cosmic fluke. And therefore the only hope for mankind is to beat this irrational universe into submission, and conquer it, and master it.
Now, all this is perfectly idiotic. If you would think that the idea of the universe as being the creation of a benevolent old gentleman—although he’s not so benevolent; he takes a sort of “this hurts me more than it’s going to hurt you” sort of attitude to things—you can have that on the one hand. And if that becomes uncomfortable, you can exchange it for its opposite: the idea that the ultimate reality doesn’t have any intelligence at all. At least that gets rid of the old bogey in the sky, in exchange for a picture of the world that is completely stupid.
Now, these ideas don’t make any sense—especially the last one—because you cannot get an intelligent organism, such as a human being, out of an unintelligent universe. The saying in the New Testament that “figs do not grow on thistles nor grapes on thorns” applies equally to the world. You do not find an intelligent organism living in an unintelligent environment."
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Re: I renounce my faith in Religion [Re: syncro] 1
#28476814 - 09/20/23 06:06 PM (4 months, 5 days ago) |
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You do not find an intelligent organism living in an unintelligent environment.
The molecular key in the mushroom that reveals the experinence of God(s) demonstates this at least.
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What does religion entail?
Believing in a diety?
Believing in an afterlife.. bardo thodol..reincarnation..?
Living within a set of contexts/rules..?
Sacraments? Perhaps drug use for religious purposes.
Preaching, praying, meditating?
Faith in miracles..
Believing in the stories of prophets, Messiahs and Saints..?
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Re: I renounce my faith in Religion [Re: BrendanFlock] 1
#28477308 - 09/21/23 03:03 AM (4 months, 5 days ago) |
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Daniel Liebert; Jelaluddin Rumi - Rumi: Fragments, Ecstasies - EIGHT;
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love Says, “I will deliver you this instant!”
I groped for excuses but love came excusing me
I don’t feel strange anymore with my heart here my soul there
I discovered He is heart and soul
It was He, not I knocking at the door It was He within
I caress my own breast for there He is hidden
no one else knows you; since you are I I know you
forms become a trifle when feeling and intuition richly intensify
in the end a man tires of everything except heart's desiring; soul’s journeying
sultan, saint, pickpocket; love has everyone by the ear dragging us to God by secret ways
I never knew that God, too, desires us
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Re: I renounce my faith in Religion [Re: spinvis] 1
#28477316 - 09/21/23 03:39 AM (4 months, 5 days ago) |
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Peace desires peace..
In the landscape of The Wasteland.
Void comic relief. Blackhole Wyrmhole!
Comic destiny.. comedy design movie meta frames of your own imagination/experience.
Based on beliefs religious robes are sold. Martial arts ghetto gear!
Kick on one lash to the next.
Kick God and pledge your loyalty to him.
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Re: I renounce my faith in Religion [Re: BrendanFlock] 1
#28477354 - 09/21/23 05:29 AM (4 months, 5 days ago) |
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Brhad-aranyaka Upanisad - CHAPTER I;
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First Brahmana - THE WORLD AS A SACRIFICIAL HORSE 1. Aum, the dawn, verily, is the head of the sacrificial horse, the sun the eye, the wind the breath, the open mouth the Vaisvanara fire; the year is the body of the sacrificial horse, the sky is the back, the atmosphere is the belly, the earth the hoof, the quarters the sides, the intermediate quarters the ribs, the seasons the limbs, the months and the half-months the joints, days and nights the feet, the stars the bones, the clouds the flesh; the food in the stomach is the sand, the rivers are the blood-vessels, the liver and the lungs are the mountains, the herbs and the trees are the hair. The rising (sun) is the forepart, the setting (sun) the hind part, when he yawns then it lightens, when he shakes himself, it thunders, when he urinates then it rains; voice, indeed, is his voice.
Second Brahmana - CREATION OF THE WORLD 1. There was nothing whatsoever here in the beginning. By death indeed was this covered, or by hunger, for hunger is death. He created the mind, thinking ‘let me have a self’ (mind). Then he moved about, worshipping. From him, thus worshipping, water was produced. ‘Verily,’ he thought, ‘while I was worshipping water appeared, therefore water is called arka (fire). Water surely comes to one who thus knows the reason why water is called arka (fire).’
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Re: I renounce my faith in Religion [Re: Asante]
#28478081 - 09/21/23 08:11 PM (4 months, 4 days ago) |
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How is that definition useful at all. All you are saying is the Universe exists and comes from a single point. That is not god, that is a single point from which the universe was born. We believe in the same thing, you just apply the term god to it.
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Believing things based on evidence is what we do in every day life and is the best method of understanding reality. You put food in your fridge because you have evidence that it will keep your food preserved for extended periods of time.
You can believe anything based on faith. I can believe that white people are better than black people based on faith, or that if I jump from one side of the river to the other I will survive based on faith. Therefore evidence is a much more reliable and better way to find truth than faith.
The same applies to god. There is nothing wrong with saying I don't know, and our current explanation of how the universe exists and was born only goes so far, guessing anything else is just argument from ignorance.
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Re: I renounce my faith in Religion [Re: GeckoMaBoi]
#28478193 - 09/21/23 10:34 PM (4 months, 4 days ago) |
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You believe in entropy, time, cause, and effect, but not a first cause from a higher order of being.
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Re: I renounce my faith in Religion [Re: GeckoMaBoi] 1
#28478198 - 09/21/23 10:39 PM (4 months, 4 days ago) |
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Understanding that some symbols are still and others are moving.
This is the key to attaining knowledge.
Preceived threats. Illumination and sublime liberty freedom for all people/beings.
A Quest For Glory!
Solving every question.
Responding with more enthusiasm.
Responding to questions with both subjectivity and objectivity. Room for art and prose.
A rainbow of time manipulation-energy source.
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Re: I renounce my faith in Religion [Re: GeckoMaBoi] 1
#28478313 - 09/22/23 04:55 AM (4 months, 4 days ago) |
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GeckoMaBoi said: Believing things based on evidence is what we do in every day life and is the best method of understanding reality. You put food in your fridge because you have evidence that it will keep your food preserved for extended periods of time.
You can believe anything based on faith. I can believe that white people are better than black people based on faith, or that if I jump from one side of the river to the other I will survive based on faith. Therefore evidence is a much more reliable and better way to find truth than faith.
The same applies to god. There is nothing wrong with saying I don't know, and our current explanation of how the universe exists and was born only goes so far, guessing anything else is just argument from ignorance.
Must be nice being so hard to fool
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Re: I renounce my faith in Religion [Re: durian_2008]
#28480513 - 09/23/23 11:56 PM (4 months, 2 days ago) |
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I do not have sufficient evidence to warrant belief in a god
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Re: I renounce my faith in Religion [Re: BrendanFlock]
#28480516 - 09/24/23 12:02 AM (4 months, 2 days ago) |
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BrendanFlock said: Understanding that some symbols are still and others are moving.
This is the key to attaining knowledge.
Preceived threats. Illumination and sublime liberty freedom for all people/beings.
A Quest For Glory!
Solving every question.
Responding with more enthusiasm.
Responding to questions with both subjectivity and objectivity. Room for art and prose.
A rainbow of time manipulation-energy source.
Maybe I am stupid but I really don't understand any of this
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jack_straw2208 said:
Must be nice being so hard to fool
I have been fooled plenty of times and expect to be fooled many times again, such is life
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Re: I renounce my faith in Religion [Re: GeckoMaBoi]
#28480566 - 09/24/23 04:15 AM (4 months, 2 days ago) |
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GeckoMaBoi said: I do not have sufficient evidence to warrant belief in a god
So here you are, Godless as a sentient conscious being in a universe that therefore has consciousness and sentience among its properties.
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Re: I renounce my faith in Religion [Re: Asante] 1
#28480774 - 09/24/23 09:53 AM (4 months, 1 day ago) |
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Wes "Scoop" Nisker - Trance-Personal Conference - Prague - 1992;
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Anyway, we are all made of the same stuff. As you can see you know, there's grass here and trees. And if you go inside of those grass and trees, you'll find subatomic particles that are the same as the subatomic particles inside of me. What else is there to say? I mean we are all one. And you can have this cosmic perspective. The big bang and everything expanding away from everything else. And it all eventually coming back again into this one little particle that it all came out of. And you can have the great perspective of the Buddha, sits there with his little smile watching empires rise and fall, and individuals rise and fall, and even universes rise and fall. Everything's born and transforming into something else, and nothing remains as it is. And the Buddha knows this and yet he's got this little smile on his face. Sort of a little smaller than that of Alfred E. Neumans, who once said; "What, me worry?". The Buddha's sort of like that, but a little bit smaller of a smile. But no matter how big a cosmic perspective you are, you got, sometimes, you get the blues. Because everybody gets the blues. And life is tough. You know it's just that way. You know the Hasidic rabbis used to say; "If God lives on earth, people would break out all his windows".
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Re: I renounce my faith in Religion [Re: spinvis]
#28481009 - 09/24/23 01:05 PM (4 months, 1 day ago) |
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that's great. ty for sharing. 
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Re: I renounce my faith in Religion [Re: Asante]
#28481474 - 09/24/23 07:31 PM (4 months, 1 day ago) |
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Re: I renounce my faith in Religion [Re: Asante]
#28481963 - 09/25/23 01:28 AM (4 months, 1 day ago) |
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Yes, I exist in a universe with 'sentient' creatures. That does not mean these sentient creatures exist for an objective purpose or were designed by a sentient creator
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Re: I renounce my faith in Religion [Re: GeckoMaBoi] 1
#28481975 - 09/25/23 03:33 AM (4 months, 1 day ago) |
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GeckoMaBoi said: Yes, I exist in a universe with 'sentient' creatures. That does not mean these sentient creatures exist for an objective purpose or were designed by a sentient creator
i'm not saying that, i'm saying that because sentience exists in the universe, it thereby is a property of that universe.
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Re: I renounce my faith in Religion [Re: GeckoMaBoi]
#28482408 - 09/25/23 02:03 PM (4 months, 18 hours ago) |
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durian_2008 said: You believe in entropy, time, cause, and effect, but not a first cause from a higher order of being. 
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GeckoMaBoi said: I do not have sufficient evidence to warrant belief in a god
Many philosophers used the analogy of the watchmaker and the Anthropic Principle and the appearances of intelligent design to prove there is a god, by observing the physical world.
Except, every form of order tends toward degradation, over time.
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