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Re: I renounce my faith in Religion [Re: GeckoMaBoi] * 2
    #28463443 - 09/09/23 02:56 PM (4 months, 16 days ago)

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There are literally zero good reasons to believe a god exists




there are two major reasons to believe God exists.

The first is pragmatic: it is very healthy to believe in a higher power.

The second purely rational.

But a comment like yours begs a question: What defines God to you?

An old greek bearded guy with a white robe on a platinum throne in the sky?

Not plausible.

The totality of everything and all consciousness as one?

Science has a name for it: the pre-big bang singularity.

completely plausible.

How does a black hole that sucks switch the polarity of its gravitational pull into a white hole that blows? The only way it can: it changed its mind.

And There Was Light.

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Re: I renounce my faith in Religion [Re: Spectacle]
    #28463452 - 09/09/23 03:15 PM (4 months, 16 days ago)

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Spectacle said:
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GeckoMaBoi said:
There are literally zero good reasons to believe a god exists




The amount of unhappy skeptics / philosophers is baffling xD.

Belief is a tool. I choose to believe in God and practice faith because it makes my life significantly better and happens to be both contagious and exponential.

The people that come into my realm today for the most part fill me with nothing but purpose and joy, and that is a direct result of my believing in God, actively practicing faith and attempting to just in general be a peaceable and loving person.





This is what God wants. This is the direct return on your investment of Faith into something good.

Wholesome faith is rational and healthy.

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Omnicyclion:

Certain tribes, when they go to war, they apply war paint to their bodies. It is their strong conviction that these ritual symbols will make them better warriors. You may think of that what you will, I won't judge it, but the fact of the matter is that regardless whether the symbols hold power, it increases their confidence, diminishes their fear and because of this, they in fact become better warriors because they feel empowered.

See what I'm saying?

I'm going to tell you a story.

You cannot truly know whether all of it is correct.

But it is a good story to invest your efforts in.

A story that can extinguish fears and doubts and make you more confident, courageous and thus, even more ABLE, to do what you do best, better.

This is a story you WANT, because its good for you.

This story is Medicine.





if you do not, ok, to stick it to agent Mulder from behind, if "I WANT TO DISBELIEVE" then you place the weight of your faith into disbelieving. Faith comes together, you choose to fall apart.  You are in equilibrium with your universe, its your transation with your universe whether you want to merge with us as One or stand apart from us hierarchically as knowing better, or agnostic or hurt inside, ok.

Be an infidel :naughty:, it won't hurt my feelings, what hurts is that to me the notion "there is no God" is as dysfunctional as trying to eternally leave samsara behind, misunderstood buddhism. What hurts me is the goodness you miss out on.


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Re: I renounce my faith in Religion [Re: Asante]
    #28463957 - 09/10/23 02:21 AM (4 months, 16 days ago)

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Asante said:
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GeckoMaBoi said:
There are literally zero good reasons to believe a god exists




there are two major reasons to believe God exists.

The first is pragmatic: it is very healthy to believe in a higher power.





^^^
Like why would you want to be "right" but just salty and unhappy, lmao.
I don't get it


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Re: I renounce my faith in Religion [Re: Asante]
    #28463962 - 09/10/23 02:44 AM (4 months, 16 days ago)

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Asante said:
The first is pragmatic: it is very healthy to believe in a higher power.





Unless you kill and die for your God.


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Re: I renounce my faith in Religion [Re: AnattaAtman]
    #28463999 - 09/10/23 05:27 AM (4 months, 16 days ago)

Interesting fact of the day: A quick google search reveals that only 6,9% of all wars is
religiously motivated. I would have guessed it's around thirty percent.

Ah, the joy of being wrong...


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Re: I renounce my faith in Religion [Re: AnattaAtman] * 1
    #28464099 - 09/10/23 08:29 AM (4 months, 15 days ago)

Is the path of faith antagonistic to the path of reason? From reviewing Kierkegaard.


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Re: I renounce my faith in Religion [Re: syncro]
    #28464260 - 09/10/23 11:39 AM (4 months, 15 days ago)

Every human being has religious receptors in his brain, which he strobes with a different set of stimuli.

Some say religion is the opiate of the masses, or vice versa, or the dialectic, itself, can trigger an endorphin rush.

There are two kinds of atheists:
-- Skeptic on a stick


-- Everything but Jesus
:ancientaliens:

Make eye contact with any solid members of these in-groups, and you will see them in a state of religious ecstasy / mental masturbation.

Any patriotic North Korean has experienced a form of religion.


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Re: I renounce my faith in Religion [Re: syncro]
    #28464265 - 09/10/23 11:45 AM (4 months, 15 days ago)

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Is the path of faith antagonistic to the path of reason? From reviewing Kierkegaard.




But, no one says that they are practicing religion; it's absolute truth.


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Re: I renounce my faith in Religion [Re: durian_2008]
    #28464299 - 09/10/23 12:11 PM (4 months, 15 days ago)

What is not mental? The principle of mentalism is not without objectivity though, in the art of honing our psychoses. Attribution to some objective world is mental, certainly temporary in the physical.

"But, no one says that they are practicing religion; it's absolute truth."

To hoard it for oneself seems good, but not to for others in the inverted ways of judgement etc. Each their own individual. Just not harming as good as one can, with the seeming elusive proactivity of helpfulness, as some say we cannot ever be neutral, feeding the good or bad wolf.

Then there is the mystery of "necessary evil." I just caught the Taboo series someone had mentioned. The Hardy character, nasty devil, though can appear as a hero, as did Walter White though he destroyed everything, or the flow of influence beyond him. Enemy of the the enemy and all.


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Re: I renounce my faith in Religion [Re: syncro]
    #28464317 - 09/10/23 12:32 PM (4 months, 15 days ago)

I think I took your position in reverse nevertheless, looking again it seemed "in a state of religious ecstasy / mental masturbation" was referring to the zealous atheists? Either way.

The ones to consider for brain elasticity are the good and peaceful ones, atheists or no, or judging a group if need be by their best representatives. Obvious in ideal and perhaps impossible in the world, our self-psyop.


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Re: I renounce my faith in Religion [Re: syncro]
    #28464325 - 09/10/23 12:39 PM (4 months, 15 days ago)

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syncro said:
Is the path of faith antagonistic to the path of reason? From reviewing Kierkegaard.





Not at all, having no faith is a medical condition.




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Re: I renounce my faith in Religion [Re: durian_2008]
    #28466914 - 09/12/23 07:54 PM (4 months, 13 days ago)

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syncro said:
looking again it seemed "in a state of religious ecstasy / mental masturbation" was referring to the zealous atheists?




Yes.

:sagan:

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durian_2008 said:
Any patriotic North Korean has experienced a form of religion.




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Re: I renounce my faith in Religion [Re: durian_2008]
    #28466955 - 09/12/23 08:24 PM (4 months, 13 days ago)

Carl Sagan - Millions, Billions and Trillions. All the illions from Cosmos and in order.

(Just a silly tune, made from an old, educational video.)

If you will, look at his face, really, really enjoying his science. :awesomenod:


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The Voice Roll Technique
http://www.etresoi.ch/Denis/roll.html

A "voice roll" is a patterned, paced style used by hypnotists when inducing a trance. It is also used by many lawyers, several of whom are highly trained hypnotists, when they desire to entrench a point firmly in the minds of the jurors. A voice roll can sound as if the speaker were talking to the beat of a metronome or it may sound as though he were emphasizing every word in a monotonous, patterned style. The words will usually be delivered at the rate of 45 to 60 beats per minute, maximizing the hypnotic effect...





I wonder whether those lie detector apps, which are used to monitor micro-expressions, would detect some religious ecstatic going to his happy place -- whenever some public speaker has warm-and-fuzzies, during any random, topical discussion.


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Re: I renounce my faith in Religion [Re: Lucis]
    #28475897 - 09/20/23 05:23 AM (4 months, 6 days ago)

name one good reason


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Re: I renounce my faith in Religion [Re: Asante]
    #28475898 - 09/20/23 05:26 AM (4 months, 6 days ago)

I do not believe it is healthy to believe in a higher power, you should only believe what you have evidence for. If by higher power you mean the cosmic forces at play then that's fine; but saying the universe is god is not an argument.

'A god is a supernatural being who is considered divine or sacred'


Edited by GeckoMaBoi (09/20/23 05:31 AM)


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Re: I renounce my faith in Religion [Re: Spectacle]
    #28475901 - 09/20/23 05:30 AM (4 months, 6 days ago)

I am perfectly happy not having sufficient evidence to warrant belief in a god or an afterlife. It makes me appreciate the life I have and the beautiful universe we live in, and that I do good things for no reason other than to be good.


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Re: I renounce my faith in Religion [Re: GeckoMaBoi]
    #28476163 - 09/20/23 09:58 AM (4 months, 5 days ago)

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GeckoMaBoi said:
I do not believe it is healthy to believe in a higher power, you should only believe what you have evidence for. If by higher power you mean the cosmic forces at play then that's fine; but saying the universe is god is not an argument.

'A god is a supernatural being who is considered divine or sacred'





thats your definition. "God is the All-Encompassing One" is mine.

That single dot that gave rise to the whole universe and all the consiousness within, thats the One and it enompasses all.
Inclding all consiousness so..




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Re: I renounce my faith in Religion [Re: GeckoMaBoi]
    #28476586 - 09/20/23 03:39 PM (4 months, 5 days ago)

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GeckoMaBoi said:
I do not believe it is healthy to believe in a higher power, you should only believe what you have evidence for. If by higher power you mean the cosmic forces at play then that's fine; but saying the universe is god is not an argument.

'A god is a supernatural being who is considered divine or sacred'




This sounds very dogmatic to me


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Re: I renounce my faith in Religion [Re: jack_straw2208] * 1
    #28476722 - 09/20/23 04:44 PM (4 months, 5 days ago)

On the subject I like this Alan Watts quote posted by spinvis. There is a similar argument that consciousness can only perceive its likeness. :shrug:

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Alan Watts - The Tao of Philosophy 5 - Myth of Myself;
"So instead, it has become fashionable—and it is nothing more than a fashion—to believe that the universe is dumb; stupid. That intelligence, values, love and fine feelings reside only within the bag of the human epidermis, and that outside that the thing is simply a kind of a chaotic, stupid interaction of blind forces.

Courtesy of Dr. Freud, for example, biological life is based on something called libido, which was a very, very loaded word. Blind, ruthless, uncomprehending lust: that’s the foundation of the human unconscious. And similarly—to thinkers of the 19th century like Ernst Haeckel, even Darwin, T. H. Huxley, and so on—there was this notion that at the root of being is an energy, and this energy is blind. This energy is just energy, and it’s utterly and totally stupid, and our intelligence is an unfortunate accident. By some weird freak of evolution we came to be these feeling and rational beings—more or less rational—and this is a ghastly mistake, because here we are in a universe that has nothing in common with us, that doesn’t share our feelings, has no real interest in us; we’re just sort of a cosmic fluke. And therefore the only hope for mankind is to beat this irrational universe into submission, and conquer it, and master it.

Now, all this is perfectly idiotic. If you would think that the idea of the universe as being the creation of a benevolent old gentleman—although he’s not so benevolent; he takes a sort of “this hurts me more than it’s going to hurt you” sort of attitude to things—you can have that on the one hand. And if that becomes uncomfortable, you can exchange it for its opposite: the idea that the ultimate reality doesn’t have any intelligence at all. At least that gets rid of the old bogey in the sky, in exchange for a picture of the world that is completely stupid.

Now, these ideas don’t make any sense—especially the last one—because you cannot get an intelligent organism, such as a human being, out of an unintelligent universe. The saying in the New Testament that “figs do not grow on thistles nor grapes on thorns” applies equally to the world. You do not find an intelligent organism living in an unintelligent environment."




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Re: I renounce my faith in Religion [Re: syncro] * 1
    #28476814 - 09/20/23 06:06 PM (4 months, 5 days ago)

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You do not find an intelligent organism living in an unintelligent environment.




The molecular key in the mushroom that reveals the experinence of God(s) demonstates this at least.



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