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Tregar's super easy pan cyan or panaeolus cyanescens or copelandia cyanescens grow log, crown jewel of mushrooms 1
#28442574 - 08/22/23 09:11 AM (5 months, 3 days ago) |
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For those who experience anxiety on shrooms...If you take shrooms along with 70mg of pure thh or tetrahydroharmine, not only does it eliminate anxiety, add crystal clear clarity, increased euphoria, but the shroom trip is extended by hours, done it countless times myself, absolutely incredible gorgeous experience. Thh is a psychedelic sri not maoi found in cappi. Damn near perfect psychedelic combo....other than that mescaline is all ready the perfect psychedelic, drank cactus tea over 150 times over many years. I love that it lasts incredibly long allready.
Go to page 3 for an easy pan cyan estero strain grow followed similar to Asura: https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/28442574/fpart/3
Asura's method: https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/25987049/vc/1
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Sorry I didn't have time to read everything but why the particular mushroom strain? Would this not also work with cubes, subs or other more available mushrooms?
Hi moonyham, this is with the pan cyan grass/dung lovers strain, long considered the crown jewel of mushrooms, slightly harder than cubensis to grow, and the trips are way more visual, very euphoric, very intricate fractal and geometric visuals like acid with saturated tropical colors. Several of my indoor containers contaminated as I did not use mycobags to grow out the substrate...I followed a tek where they were not used, now I know better next time to use them.
More on this variety with 50 trip reports: https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/28108398/fpart/1/vc/1
Modern research has determined that the pan cyan strain of mushrooms with their HIGH BAEOCYSTIN and related analogues content hit the adrenal receptors with as much force as MESCALINE or DMT, see chart below. Notice how just plain psilocin alone hits the 3 adrenal receptors (responsible for enhanced colors, euphoria, beauty and music enhancement) with lighter activity.

Attached: Structure–Activity Relationships for Psilocybin, Baeocystin, Aeruginascin, and Related Analogues to Produce Pharmacological Effects in Mice, ACS Pharmacol. Transl. Sci. 2022, 5, 11, 1181–1196:
https://pubs.acs.org/doi/10.1021/acsptsci.2c00177
by Grant C. Glatfelter*, Eline Pottie, John S. Partilla, Alexander M. Sherwood, Kristi Kaylo, Duyen N. K. Pham, Marilyn Naeem, Grant C. Glatfelter*, Eline Pottie, John S. Partilla, Alexander M. Sherwood, Kristi Kaylo, Duyen N. K. Pham, Marilyn Naeem, Vamshikrishna Reddy Sammeta Vamshikrishna Reddy Sammeta, Stacie DeBoer, James A. Golen, Elliott B. Hulley, Christophe P. Stove, Andrew R. Chadeayne, David R. Manke, and Michael H. Baumann.
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Here is the Gordotek pan cyan video followed: Other topics: Alchemy chemistry fun:
Compilation of pan cyan or panaeolus cyanescens or copeandia cyanescens trip reports, crown jewel of mushrooms: https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/28108398/page/1
You will absolutely love the 100mg THH + pan cyan combo! just like an organic LSD with added mescaline qualities from the THH, in a league of her own, no mental confusion but crystal clear clarity, so diamondlike shimmering beautiful, the euphoria, tropical colored visuals, music-enhancement and healing is divine.
How to extract 2.4g dmt from 170g bark using a 2 Liter erlenmeyer flask (heat and break resistant), post #15: https://mycotopia.net/topic/111610-hpbcd-dmt-sublingually-active-under-tongue/
Tetrahydroharmine or THH and how to make her, Caapi visionary feminine teaching spirit: https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/28423951/page/1
Zero nausea HPBCD or aloe vera enhanced penetration Ayahuasca capsules: https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/28189371/page/1
Cactus tea before waterpark to beat the heat: https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/28411312/page/4

How to make LSI or Lysergic Acid Isovaleraldemide (Greek Eleusis ancient LSD) at home from morning glory seeds (the priests used non poisonous claviceps paspali which grows on paspalum grass adjacent to Eleusis present day in the famous Rarian plane, same alkaloid profile as the sacred Mesoamerican morning glory): https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/27850299/page/2
Make your own 1-acetaldehyde LSD at home from LSD, very similar to ALD-52 or the real orange sunshine: https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/28441105
On my very first pan cyan mushroom trip, where I went to a house music club tripping with friends, I viewed laser light patterns on the floor of the club, where the women danced, I believe the mushrooms showed me how to form never before seen patterns, as went I went home, over the next several months, I built my own 6 channel audio generator that when these combined frequencies (3 on x channel and 3 on y channel) were sent to a laser x and y galvanometer, were able to produce brand new laser patterns such as collapsing circles and spinning lines 360 degrees which looked beyond belief in the fog as 3-d, I then went on to market these laser scanners to clubs on the strip, and they were a huge success...I owe this creative invention to the mushrooms which sparked new creative energies, way beyond thought, from a higher source where the mushrooms tap into. My love for house music stems back to those days of visiting many clubs as an entertainment laser lighting fixture creator and programmer and making friends with the many DJ's. Over the summer myself and friends were lifeguards at the local water park. But on the weekends we went to parties or house music clubs.
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8-8-2023
Step 1: First wipe the black inoculation port on jar lid with alcohol pad and inoculate each of your 24 oz 5 grain jars with around 6cc from estero pan cyan spore syringe for instance.
I'm lazy so I already had bought super cheap pre-sterilized jars of rye berries with 4 other grains mixed in, came pre-sterilized at 15 psi for 120 minutes. When inoculate, spray 2 mm down the middle, then spin jar 1/4 turn as you inoculate around 1 cc each 1/4 turn towards the sides of jar so liquid drips down from top to bottom.
I did not even need to flame the syringe with mini butane torch as the spore syringes already come with a sterile syringe in sterile packing, you just screw on the sterile syringe and inject, no flaming of needle needed. I do all this in front of a laminar flow hood, although you don't need one.
In only 2 days, notice one of the jars in middle already showing mycelium growth. In around 5 days all of the jars SHOULD show signs of growth.
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Step 2, so after 14 days, only the one jar in the middle showed vigorous estero pan cyan mycelium growth...I even tried inoculating more spore water and even entire print spores into the non responding 5 other jars, but still no response after 2 weeks...As you can see growth may not be smooth, and with this grow log I want to show problems encountered...
...next time I start from scratch, I will use only spore water syringes or spore print spores directly to AGAR PLATE, cut agar wedge and then transfer wedge to grain jars...I will never start from spores dropped into jars or spore syringe water shot into each jar again (as it only worked for 1 of the 6 jars).
So what I did is at day 15, I did a grain to grain (g2g) transfer of all the fast growing estero mycelium from the 1 jar with major growth into each of the other 5 jars, and it took off like wildfire....I did this in front of a flow hood, I simply dipped a clean spoon into a small glass full of 91% isopropyl alcohol to sanitize, held spoon in front of flow hood to dry off, then opened the one jar with 40% growth, grabbed 2 tablespoons of mycelium covered grain, and added this to each of the other 5 jars...it worked!
Pic1: In just one day all of the other 5 jars have taken off very fast and even the main jar with growth now shows growth all over the jar after shaking it to break it all up before the g2g transfer. I shook each of the 5 jars after adding the 2 tablespoons, and it worked very well.
Pic2: Flow hood is nearly 14" wide so that even a $2 dollar cake pan (with clear lid added later) will fit in front of it (followed Gordotek) when transferring the grain spawn in step 3 coming up later to the substrate in cake pan, and mixing all together.
Super easy Gordotek that was followed: https://www.patreon.com/posts/new-simple-tek-44645256?l=es
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Re: Tregar's super easy pan cyan or panaeolus cyanescens or copelandia cyanescens grow log, crown jewel of mushrooms [Re: tregar] 1
#28442674 - 08/22/23 10:38 AM (5 months, 3 days ago) |
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seems rather complicated for something described as super easy. i think i read on this site somewhere that you can grow pans on BRF pucks? here it is....https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/18357343#18357343
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Re: Tregar's super easy pan cyan or panaeolus cyanescens or copelandia cyanescens grow log, crown jewel of mushrooms [Re: normalperson]
#28447122 - 08/26/23 08:06 AM (4 months, 30 days ago) |
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--> 3 days after g2g (grain to grain) transfer from a single jar, all 6 jars showing very fast growth, zero contamination, each jar is enough to mix into a single 13" x 9" x 2" substrate full cake pan, 3 jars or 3 cake pans are even enough to produce a life time supply of level 5 trips for many people.
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Re: Tregar's super easy pan cyan or panaeolus cyanescens or copelandia cyanescens grow log, crown jewel of mushrooms [Re: tregar] 1
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Re: Tregar's super easy pan cyan or panaeolus cyanescens or copelandia cyanescens grow log, crown jewel of mushrooms [Re: RoscoeReturns]
#28453291 - 08/31/23 08:15 AM (4 months, 25 days ago) |
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Thanks RoscoeReturns. 4 days later, g2g transfer worked well.
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Re: Tregar's super easy pan cyan or panaeolus cyanescens or copelandia cyanescens grow log, crown jewel of mushrooms [Re: tregar]
#28475100 - 09/19/23 02:49 PM (4 months, 6 days ago) |
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1. Around 1 week later all the grain was colonized
2. Each of 6 cake pans (13 x 9 x 2) had 6 x 1/8" holes drilled, then placed a round sticky Air Filter Vent 0.22 Micron with 3m Backing. This is a small circular filter used for facilitating gas exchange (these come in packs of 50 for around ten dollars).
3. In front of flow hood: Into each cake pan (pre-cleaned with 91% alcohol in front of flow hood and allowed to dry) was placed substrate and all the mycelium grain from a single jar, hands were cleaned beforehand and rinsed & rubbed with 91% isopropyl alcohol, all the substrate and grain was mixed together by hand in the cake hand in front of flow hood, the lid placed onto cake pan, did same for remaining 5 cake pans.
4. Leave these 6 cake pans out on table for around a week or so for substrate to be colonized by the grain mycelium spawn. I like to keep a ceiling fan running on low.
Note: Manure/grass bulk Substrate is made from sun-dried horse manure, extra chopped straw, coir/vermiculite and ph buffers. Then is pasteurized for 2.5 hours in hot water bath. This kills bad bacteria but allows good bacteria to live. You can find precise recipes for this in Gordotek's tek writings.
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Re: Tregar's super easy pan cyan or panaeolus cyanescens or copelandia cyanescens grow log, crown jewel of mushrooms [Re: tregar]
#28479408 - 09/23/23 02:03 AM (4 months, 2 days ago) |
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Unbelievable, after only a few days, a thick layer of pure white mycelium like snow can be observed thru the tops of each tray, eating thru the substrate in record time. Zero contamination.
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Re: Tregar's super easy pan cyan or panaeolus cyanescens or copelandia cyanescens grow log, crown jewel of mushrooms [Re: tregar]
#28490738 - 10/03/23 08:23 AM (3 months, 23 days ago) |
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The temperature during the day was 76 degrees F and at night 71 degrees F, and this is how it appears days later with those temps, very good growth...however, decided to speed the growth up now by placing a heat mat under each of the 3 trays (2 heat mats) and set them to 25 degrees C (78 degrees F), this way at night, the growth will continue to be very fast...using this method, expect to see the trays finish in just a few more days...still zero contamination, all pure white mycelium like snow, ceiling fan above always runs on low.
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Re: Tregar's super easy pan cyan or panaeolus cyanescens or copelandia cyanescens grow log, crown jewel of mushrooms [Re: tregar]
#28490742 - 10/03/23 08:33 AM (3 months, 23 days ago) |
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Gordo is a noob parrot, parroting old ideas while oftentimes outright plagiarizing. His videos are memorials to posterity illustrating his misunderstanding of fundamental principles.
Nice work, Gordo, the crown jewel of noobery.
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Re: Tregar's super easy pan cyan or panaeolus cyanescens or copelandia cyanescens grow log, crown jewel of mushrooms [Re: Stipe-n Cap]
#28490772 - 10/03/23 09:01 AM (3 months, 23 days ago) |
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I think Gordo is a very intelligent fellow, I'm not gordo, I'm tregar...his method is awesome, that's why I followed it. I know a good thing when I see it.
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Re: Tregar's super easy pan cyan or panaeolus cyanescens or copelandia cyanescens grow log, crown jewel of mushrooms [Re: tregar] 2
#28490822 - 10/03/23 09:54 AM (3 months, 23 days ago) |
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Guess what, this isn't his technique. Gordo is a hack noob, that's my point. Anything you saw of value did not originate with him.
All of his content is stolen from old shroomery threads. Very intelligent indeed.👌
He fails to grasp basic techniques because he hasn't taken the time to do anything other than plagiarise and parrot. He's a gawking parrot, the end.
I make an effort to make this sort of statement anytime I see his content, it's what plagiarists deserve.
He states that the application of the casing layer should be done in sterile flow or in a SAB, he goes on to claim that his flush suffered as a result of the application of his casing layer in open air. He has no idea what he's talking about, it's evident with every detail.
Good luck with your grow.
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Re: Tregar's super easy pan cyan or panaeolus cyanescens or copelandia cyanescens grow log, crown jewel of mushrooms [Re: Stipe-n Cap]
#28490838 - 10/03/23 10:17 AM (3 months, 23 days ago) |
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It seems like most of the people making the you tube videos or patreon in his case are more into making videos than growing mushrooms. That being said his videos do seem to provide decent recipes for reference. He seems like he either researched pretty good or maybe has been trained in college but I guess he should provide his sources. I always like to check whatever I see on YouTube on shroomery to see if anyone has anything to say about the given recipe or technique/method. And then apply common sense and see what works for me.
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Re: Tregar's super easy pan cyan or panaeolus cyanescens or copelandia cyanescens grow log, crown jewel of mushrooms [Re: Reishiman]
#28491069 - 10/03/23 02:51 PM (3 months, 23 days ago) |
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Note: If his (Gordotek) method works, I'll end up with a lifetimes worth of +5 level trips on just a single grow. We shall see.
As a long time chemist, my method of making tetrahydroharmine (see post #1 link) using zinc dust or granules is completely different from his method which uses magnesium which I would never follow. However, as far as I can tell, we are the only 2 people who have posted totally different methods on how to make pure THH.
I also do not smoke or vape dmt as he does in another video he has, as I prefer the oral only method of traditional Ayahuasca, combining it with at least 100mg of pure THH. I've used oral Ayahuasca capsules at least 90 plus times over many years. I march to the beat of my own drum. I don't make videos and don't like Patreon as you have to pay money to join, so there are indeed many things I do very differently.
If you like LSD like I do, combine panaeolus with at least 100mg of the pure betacarboline THH, it's quite incredible, like a long lasting natural version of LSD. I give experiences from others who have tried the same combination in the link in post #1.
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Re: Tregar's super easy pan cyan or panaeolus cyanescens or copelandia cyanescens grow log, crown jewel of mushrooms [Re: tregar] 2
#28491101 - 10/03/23 03:21 PM (3 months, 23 days ago) |
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Why 91% rubbing alcohol?
And I don't see why you're inoculating pasteurized substrate in front of a flow hood.
Are you somehow maintaining a sterile environment? I.e. sterilizing the cake pans and substrate somehow?
Wouldn't using a grow bag for edibles be easier if you want it sterile? Turn the bag on the side so it replaces the cake pain. Cut it open and case when colonized?
I wish you luck with your grow but I think there's much easier ways to do things and that, last I knew, 70% Iso was better for mycology as the water helps the alcohol penetrate cell walls. But maybe there's new information on that I'm not aware of
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Re: Tregar's super easy pan cyan or panaeolus cyanescens or copelandia cyanescens grow log, crown jewel of mushrooms [Re: tregar] 1
#28491125 - 10/03/23 03:36 PM (3 months, 23 days ago) |
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tregar said: Note: If his (Gordotek) method works, I'll end up with a lifetimes worth of +5 level trips on just a single grow. We shall see.
As a long time chemist, my method of making tetrahydroharmine (see post #1 link) using zinc dust or granules is completely different from his method which uses magnesium which I would never follow. However, as far as I can tell, we are the only 2 people who have posted totally different methods on how to make pure THH.
I also do not smoke or vape dmt as he does in another video he has, as I prefer the oral only method of traditional Ayahuasca, combining it with at least 100mg of pure THH. I've used oral Ayahuasca capsules at least 90 plus times over many years. I march to the beat of my own drum. I don't make videos and don't like Patreon as you have to pay money to join, so there are indeed many things I do very differently.
If you like LSD like I do, combine panaeolus with at least 100mg of the pure betacarboline THH, it's quite incredible, like a long lasting natural version of LSD. I give experiences from others who have tried the same combination in the link in post #1.
Good luck and may you end up with a life time supply of pans. Make sure you look into proper drying and storage so they don't lose potency throughout your life. I'm also trying to grow pans right now for the first time. Got pan Bisporus in grain jars that are almost done colonizing. Also have pan Cambodian that I just some spores on agar but starting to see growth. Hopefully will have some by Christmas time to give to people as gifts. Btw I've been storing my cubes in the freezer in jars with decessent packets in jar with the shrooms in a separate bag but in the same jar as the decessent packet. So far it seems to be working. But you may want to look into it if you haven't already. The shrooms I grew last year went to shit in double plastic zip lock bags...they took in moisture from the outside air and I had to toss them.
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Re: Tregar's super easy pan cyan or panaeolus cyanescens or copelandia cyanescens grow log, crown jewel of mushrooms [Re: Reishiman]
#28496312 - 10/08/23 09:32 AM (3 months, 18 days ago) |
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Good luck and may you end up with a life time supply of pans. Make sure you look into proper drying and storage so they don't lose potency throughout your life. I'm also trying to grow pans right now for the first time. Got pan Bisporus in grain jars that are almost done colonizing. Also have pan Cambodian that I just some spores on agar but starting to see growth. Hopefully will have some by Christmas time to give to people as gifts. Btw I've been storing my cubes in the freezer in jars with decessent packets in jar with the shrooms in a separate bag but in the same jar as the decessent packet. So far it seems to be working. But you may want to look into it if you haven't already. The shrooms I grew last year went to shit in double plastic zip lock bags...they took in moisture from the outside air and I had to toss them.
Thank you kindly for tips Reishiman.
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The "Estero" strain was the best strain that I tested until finding TTBVI which is even better (just as aggressive and easy to grow but even more potent and it prints better). They are extremely vigorous, potent, and produce high yields. There was some doubt at one point that the Estero strain was even pan cyan, some thought it might be pan cambo because it was almost too easy to grow. However thin layer chromatography clearly shows it is not pan cambo, it has the alkaloid potency in the HIGH end of reported ranges for pan cyan.
Comparison of Estero (Pan cyan) and Albino Penis Envy (Cubensis) mushrooms via Thin Layer Chromatography: https://www.patreon.com/posts/67621105
I will create a video explaining how to do this type of analysis, but for now I just wanted to show everyone a comparison between these species. Albino Penis Envy (APE) is widely considered to be one of the most potent cubensis cultivars, it was heavily represented in the latest psilocybin cup (if you want to see my comments/critique of the cup, click the link and scroll down to the bottom where comments are shown, to see comments on a phone you may have to tap settings (in chrome for example)->desktop view).
So how does APE stack up against Estero (pan cyan)?
Each dot in the picture above represents a chemical compound (these are labeled on the left). They are in two vertical columns, so the left side from top to bottom is all Estero, right side is APE. Starting with the two most important, look at the psilocybin and psilocin content - quantification is not precise, but you can estimate based on spot size and darkness.
The Estero cultivar is approximately three times as potent as APE (and it would have easily blown all other entries out of the water had it been submitted to the psilocybin cup). This should be a reminder to all to dose appropriately (pan cyan holds the record for most potent mushroom species in the world as per published research).
If you normally take 3 grams of cubensis, try 1g of Estero. It is always better to start with a lower dose and see how you respond before trying anything higher (you may want to start with just 0.5g). There is NO PRIZE for taking the highest dose, in fact there is no documented benefit of any dose beyond about 35mg psilocybin equivalent, just more fear & anxiety for most people.
But there's more to it than just triple the psilocybin and psilocin, Estero also contains baeocystin (hard to see, but its there), urea (quite a bit), and serotonin. None of these compounds can be seen at all in APE. Could these be partly responsible for the difference in anecdotes from user experiences on Estero?
Here are some comments people have sent on this subject: "I strongly agree with starting with one-half gram dry. It was a much better experience than any cubes I've tried even at higher doses." "Cubes gave me mild nausea and made me feel 'shakey'. Not at all so with Pan cyans" "Penis Envy is and has been overrated. I think any other well sourced Cube is just the same. It’s that cultural conditioning at play." "lol who needs cubes when you can have Cyanescens! I’ve blessed a few people with them and they are now believers lol." "When Estero kicked in, I wasn’t disappointed. At one point I forgot I ate Cyanescens and thought I was on a DMT ride! As often happens to me on DMT I was 'connected' to some kind of power cord or machine umbilical that was coming from my wall straight towards me and plugged into my third eye! And I felt the presence of a cosmic nurse at my side. Like she had her hand in my shoulder reassuring me all was ok! Then I was like “f*** I ate mushrooms this ain’t a DMT trip”  "I've taken enough cubes to know Estero is different... 2 grams. Most amazing experience of my life. 10 hours. And another two hours of happiness watching TV and talking about my experience with my wife. In the end I just want to thank you. No comparison." "OMG, OMG, O. M. G. Had my first deeply religious experience on 2g [estero] yesterday. I have never felt anything like it in my life. It was truly incredible." "I ended up taking a 1 gram of Estero since I’m used to taking 3-4 grams of cubensis. Man…you were not kidding about the potency of these. 1 gram easily felt like 4-4.5 grams of cubensis to me. These were by far the best visuals on mushrooms I’ve ever had. Also, the euphoria was quite intense, and giggle sessions were uncontrollable. All in all, I love pan cyans and they’ll likely be my go to. I’ll likely still grow cubensis for microdosing as well as less potency for sharing with others." "Experienced people do sometimes doubt ones sanity trying to explain just how deep Estero gets on what some call a "micro dose" the pan experience for me is the most rewarding substance I've ever ingested and half reduced my dose and frequency of use to fine tune the benefits, plus stopped using synthetic drugs completely and have been experiencing recovery i didn't really know I need but pretty sure i do." "I didn't really expect how good the differences were from Cube to estero. The visuals weren't comparable at all and the euphoria was so wonderful. My 2g trip was literally the best substance experience of my life next to marriage and kids. 10 hours of pure bliss." [Gordo note: 2g is too much for most people, be cautious] "Funny because I went to an Ayahuasca ceremony in May and the Shaman told me to start growing pans... he said, “Cubes are for the people. Pans are for the elevated.” "First experience last night with Estero pan cyan. Truly mystical, amazing, and the most beautiful and gentle psychedelic experience to date. Truly a gift." "There's something about Pan Cyan that induces something special that no cube could ever bring, it isn't that it's a clean feeling either - it's something that must deal with happiness in general - so whether it stimulates serotonin production or a mixture of neurochemicals for the best experience, I have had consistently positive experiences with each trip both physiologically and psychologically. I wonder if it has to do with other alkaloids or absence of alkaloids vs cubensis"
One of this years funniest/best psychedelic reveals was the guy who actually came up with Penis Envy (the best selling cubensis cultivar of all time), when interviewed by Hamilton Morris essentially said (my paraphrase) 'Eh, it's still just a cube, and cubes don't do it for me. I find the Cyanescens far superior (they have entities)!'
Haha. So the guy who created the most popular cubensis cultivar in the world doesn't even like cubensis. Eventually I think most in the grower community will come to prefer other species. I would still like to see some reputable published research comparing user experience by species (this is challenging to do but worth a try). As an aside, if you listen to that Hamilton interview, the PE guy says a lot of "out there" things that deserve to be challenged, every so called claim of "supernatural powers" has always failed rigorous testing and he is no exception.
Since the temp at night was 70 degree F, the heating mat did the trick, after 3 days each of the 6 cake pans had completed snow white mycelium coverings, kept each heating mat at around 76 to 78 degrees F. It has auto-shutoff once temp goes above 77 degree in room. These programmable heat mats even come in packs of 4 for dirt cheap combo.
The Estero variety panaeolus (native to Florida) seems to prefer a constant 77 degree F. Temps between 70 to 85 degrees F work well.
1. This is how each of the 6 cake pans looked before I took the cover off in front of flow hood. Notice the tiny indoor humidity and temperature monitor placed on edge on top of each heat mat to monitor the programmed temperature, to make sure it was working.

2. Even though I used 2 mycobags full of casing dry mix, turns out I only needed one bag's worth in order to cover each of the 6 cake pans with a 1/4" layer. The casing dry mix is a proprietary blend of peat moss, vermiculite, gypsum calcium phosphate that was bought dirt cheap. The exact recipe is given in Gordotek's writings: https://www.patreon.com/posts/44645256

3. A 23 qt presto pressure canner was used to sterilize the soil at 15 psi for 45 minutes. It's very easy to use a canner, all you need to know comes with the instructions with the canner.
1. When you get your canner, just screw on the dial pressure gauge that comes with it by hand, put tray into canner that sits around 1/2" above the bottom, add 3 quarts of hot water to the pressure canner, put your mycobags full of soil into canner (make sure you have a couple clothespins holding it flapped over shut), put lid on canner and rotate it to closed, heat up canner on "8" or so stove setting. Watch air steam vent out of the open vent pipe for 10 minutes. Then put the pressure regulator on the vent pipe, the pressure regulator may begin to rock before pressure builds. Watch as pressure builds in canner, once the dial indicates you have between 10 to 15 psi, turn down the heat to "6" or medium or so, and allow canner to PC cook for 45 minutes. The bags can withstand the temperature no problem. They will not melt. Do not remove the pressure regulator from the vent pipe until the pressure has gone back down to zero.

4. Cooker was removed from burner and allowed to cool overnight. Lid was removed from cooker. This is how the 2 casing bags looked the next day inside the cooker.

5. The lid was removed from each cake pan in front of the flow hood.

6. This is a closeup of one of the cake pans.

7. With clean hands (pre rinsed with 91% isopropyl alcohol, and hands allowed to dry quickly in front of flow hood, the mycobag was held over the cake pan, easily eye'd an amount of casing out over the cake pan so that a 1/4" layer was spread out in a smooth even layer. I lightly tapped the layer down and sprayed it heavily with distilled water after it was in place.

8. This is pic of all 6 cake pans after casing layer was placed. Optionally I put the top back on each cake pan (the inside of the lids were pre-wiped with 91% isopropyl alcohol and allowed to quickly dry).
The lids are being put on just for 24 hours, the mycelia needs to poke through the casing just a bit before pins will form and keeping the top on seems to speed the initial move up, probably because it keeps the casing layer warmer. This may be helpful especially if your grow area is colder than 70F.
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Re: Tregar's super easy pan cyan or panaeolus cyanescens or copelandia cyanescens grow log, crown jewel of mushrooms [Re: tregar] 2
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The sterile technique is interesting. I have some polypropylene take out containers (lids are PP too) I will have to try this with.
Pretty sure 70% IPA is better though, regardless of Gordo's tek.
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Re: Tregar's super easy pan cyan or panaeolus cyanescens or copelandia cyanescens grow log, crown jewel of mushrooms [Re: tree frog]
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Why 91% rubbing alcohol?
And I don't see why you're inoculating pasteurized substrate in front of a flow hood.
Are you somehow maintaining a sterile environment? I.e. sterilizing the cake pans and substrate somehow?
Wouldn't using a grow bag for edibles be easier if you want it sterile? Turn the bag on the side so it replaces the cake pain. Cut it open and case when colonized?
I wish you luck with your grow but I think there's much easier ways to do things and that, last I knew, 70% Iso was better for mycology as the water helps the alcohol penetrate cell walls. But maybe there's new information on that I'm not aware of 
The sterile technique is interesting. I have some polypropylene take out containers (lids are PP too) I will have to try this with.
Pretty sure 70% IPA is better though, regardless of Gordo's tek.
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/14455047
Hi treefrog, thanks for watching. I'm just following the steps as given in Gordotek, sure you could use mycobags to grow out your grain mixed with substrate, sealed with impulse sealer. This is what gordotek had to say about those things:
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Transfer your substrate into the cake pans, only fill to 3/4 full. Straw based substrate is more prone to contamination than a coir based substrate, if you have a flow hood do this step in front of it, or use a still air box, otherwise you can try doing this in open air which actually worked fine for me or optionally even try doing everything under a clear plastic drop cloth. Thoroughly clean and sanitize a table, put your cake pans, grain spawn, isoproply alcohol spray bottle, scissors, and substrate on the table. Spray down everything with isopropyl alcohol.
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Note: An alternative to the above is to add your grain spawn directly to the mycobag after it is cooled and seal the mycobag, shake and let it colonize there for a week before transferring it to your cake pans - I tried this and it worked but cost an extra week of time as it will have to recolonize for another week after you transfer it to the cake pans. I would only recommend this if you are having problems with contamination. To me it was a waste of time.
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Re: Tregar's super easy pan cyan or panaeolus cyanescens or copelandia cyanescens grow log, crown jewel of mushrooms [Re: tree frog] 2
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He's "a long time chemist", I'm sure he knows that disinfecting efficacy drops off at concentrations higher than 80%, and why. Anybody can grow mushrooms, Gordo included, even if they don't really know how or why they're getting them, or the how and why most of the process works.
To follow a recipe you don't need to understand why the recipe is prescribed to begin with.
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Re: Tregar's super easy pan cyan or panaeolus cyanescens or copelandia cyanescens grow log, crown jewel of mushrooms [Re: Stipe-n Cap]
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Maybe there is some confusion, I only use the 91% isopropyl alcohol to rinse my hands and let dry quickly in front of flow hood before pouring casing over cake pans, patting down casing, etc.
Phase II:
There is little chance of contamination once the casing layer is on as Gordotek states. After 24 hours, I will remove the lids, and start the humidifier timer cycle.
1) Gather materials: Spray water bottle, monsoon humidifier with stretchable hose, a few humidity/temp monitors, mechanical timer.

2) Instructions for adding water to humidifier:

3) Program timer to turn humidifier on every 1/2 hour for 1/2 hour by first lifting every black button, then pressing down every other button.

4) All cake pans can be put into an empty kiddy swimming pool in a room to create a "sink/catch" for the fog or into a spare bathtub, we want to make a makeshift "tub/pool". First put down the programmable heat mats, set temp to around 76 degree F, place a humidity/temp monitor on each mat, then put cake trays on the mats, pre-spray the tub with lysol, clean well in advance.

Since my spouse will be using the mushrooms at threshold doses to treat her migraines (hopefully they will eliminate her migraines for weeks at a time, as she now gets them daily or every few days due to an ear infection back in June that finally went away months later but left here with this current head condition), she let me use a spare bath tub.
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If outside temps are 70F to 85F you can open a window. Some growers like to have additional fans running for more circulation but I found this to be unnecessary, the humidifier itself creates nice air currents that stream over the surface of the blocks and this is all you need. I did not use electric light, just natural indirect sunlight from the windows in the room, but if your room has no light, you can use 12 hour on, 12 hour off lighting. You could put the light on a time but since you will be adding water to a humidifier once a day, it's probably just as easy to turn the light on and add the water every morning when you wake up and turn the light off when you go to bed.
Set the humidifier at the top edge of your "pool/tub" elevated, so it throws mist out and forward into your tub. It should NOT be on the highest setting, a mid range setting may be fine, you want it to be throwing out some serious fog but not filling the entire room with fog. If you use a hygrometer near your tub, it's going to go up to about 95% RH (don't leave your hygrometer there too long or it will likely fail). Plug the humidifier into a timer so that it goes on for 30 minutes then off for 30 minutes, around the clock (so it will be on for 12 hours a day total, every day).
At this point, you just need to monitor it a little bit for the first day to make sure you don't have the humidity setting too high or too low, Ideal humidity is 95%. You don't want pools of water forming, just a nice fog/mist overy your cake pans. If you get one of the high capacity humidifiers I recommend, you will only need to add water once a day. From that point on, it should be "set it and forget it". You should see pins form in 5 to 7 days. If substrate looks dry, you can mist with water. Pick the mushrooms as they mature, dry them in a food dehydrator and enjoy!
this species tend to go into almost "continuous fruiting mode" with wave after wave of mushrooms. You should get pretty thick carpets of mushrooms using this TEK, some flushes will be thicker than others.
With flush after flush, a single grow could produce a lifetime supply for some people. A good strain can produce a crop that is strong enough to hold up a cell phone.
These can be harvested by cutting at the base with a sharp knife OR by gently twisting and pulling them out but there will usually be pins for the next crop all over the surface so try to avoid damaging those (I prefer using a long sharp knife).
After a harvest pour 1 cup of water as evenly as possible over the entire surface of the pan. It’s going to look like an excessive amount of water, but it’s not. At any given time, if it looked a little dry I would also spray the surface with a spray bottle of tap water (dollar store spray bottle is fine). The rumors that spraying water directly onto pins will kill them or cause them to abort have been debunked (by me). I have sprayed around, and even directly on pins just to see what would happen, and it didn't cause any problems, I have also directly sprayed the mushroom fruit bodies to see what would happen, it didn't make any difference. Remember how much this species loves rain. That said, I would try to avoid directly watering the mature mushrooms, excessive humidity can cause the caps to turn dark, as can low grow room temperatures.
Dry in a dehydrator, homogenize by blending, and pack into 00 capsules using a capsule maker tool as shown in my bulk mushroom grow video. Store in a sealed glass jar, at room temp, in a dark place preferable with oxygen absorbers. These are typically 3 times as potent as cubensis, so take 1/3 less. A single capsule (0.5g) is a good starter/test dose to get a feel for the species. A sensitive person might have 2 hours of closed eye visuals on such a dose. One gram (two capsules) is considered a normal dose similar to a 3 gram trip with cubensis and 1.5g (3-4 capsules) is a high dose. 2-3 grams could be very unpleasant for many people - you have been warned! Use moderation, homogenize your dose, and only increment in small (half gram) steps after trying a lower dose first.
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