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The Psychology of Samadhi - Patanjali's Eight Limbs of Yoga * 3
    #28440736 - 08/20/23 02:48 PM (5 months, 6 days ago)

Came across this little gem in my recommendations. It's a little series from Swami Tadatmananda (Advaita Vedanta) on the 'Eight Limbs of Yoga' from Patanjali. Which is very similar to 'Kakuan Shion Zenji & Jion Oshō's The Ten Oxherding Pictures' used in Zen Buddhism, and 'Kamalaśīla's The Nine Mental Abidings' used in Tibetan Buddhism.

Here Swami explains and breaks down, in easy to understand modern language, each of Patanjali's Eight Limbs used in Yoga.

Potentially this can clarify and add something to the threads and discussions therein that are active at the moment, with regards to mystical experiences without tryptamines, and how you'd go about it. Swami himself coincidentally is an old school hippy very familiair with tryptamines. :mushroom2:


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Patanjali's extraordinary eight-step (ashtanga) method of meditation can lead you to the state of samadhi. His ancient teachings become much more accessible with the help of modern psychology and personal insights gained through decades of practice.

For the rishis, the sages of ancient India, the practice of yoga and meditation was a crucial part of a process of spiritual growth that culminates in the realization of your true self, atma, the so-called inner divinity. This personal discovery is commonly called enlightenment, and it results in perfect contentment (ananda) and inner peace (shanti) that never fades away.

More than 1500 years ago, the great rishi Patanjali composed his famous Yoga Sutras, a Sanskrit text considered the source scripture and foundation for the practice of yogic meditation. Patanjali's text consists of just 196 sutras that describe an exceptionally powerful system of meditation.

The Yoga Sutras are highly analytical in nature. Detailed study can be extremely helpful for meditation teachers, but fortunately, it's not essential for practitioners. On the other hand, practitioners can benefit tremendously from the many brilliant insights found in the sutras, especially Patanjali's division of yogic practice into eight individual steps, eight angas or limbs.




Psychology of Samadhi – Based on Patanjali's Yoga Sutras & 45 Years Personal Practice
https://youtu.be/UOb2qwDyKfA

Patanjali's Eightfold Path to Samadhi – The Psychology of Samadhi: 2
https://youtu.be/6f4Mk0QHalY

Ekagrata — One-Pointed Concentration — The Psychology of Samadhi: 3
https://youtu.be/ukA18eldRto

Transcending the Mind, Abiding in Pure Awareness – The Psychology of Samadhi: 4
https://youtu.be/bSQrlf4AKVs


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History of Yoga, the Path of my Ancestors is a 6000 year journey into origin, evolution & development of yoga. The story explores the elements of Yoga in Harappa Civilization, Veda, Jainism, Buddhism, Sufism, Hath-Yogic practices of medieval times & other peripheral doctrines. The film ends in 19th century where modern science acknowledges the potential of yoga in a new light.



History of Yoga
https://youtu.be/JoRwXMLsVis

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Re: The Psychology of Samadhi - Patanjali's Eight Limbs of Yoga [Re: spinvis] * 1
    #28441093 - 08/20/23 08:39 PM (5 months, 5 days ago)

Watching!


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Re: The Psychology of Samadhi - Patanjali's Eight Limbs of Yoga [Re: syncro] * 1
    #28441149 - 08/20/23 10:16 PM (5 months, 5 days ago)

I like the improvement of production, with the music in between, and the images, also the enrichment in the terminology.



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Re: The Psychology of Samadhi - Patanjali's Eight Limbs of Yoga [Re: syncro] * 1
    #28441156 - 08/20/23 10:24 PM (5 months, 5 days ago)

It appears his videos have had that for some time, though I remember more of him talking only which is enjoyable as well.


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Re: The Psychology of Samadhi - Patanjali's Eight Limbs of Yoga [Re: syncro]
    #28441220 - 08/21/23 01:41 AM (5 months, 5 days ago)

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I like the improvement of production, with the music in between, and the images, also the enrichment in the terminology.






Very true! Compared to his older videos the production quality certainly improved!

He describes he had to go to a Yogi that explained and broke it down for him, because even with his broad knowledge of Advaita Vedanta he couldn't fully understand the Sutras of Patanjali. Which just shows how cryptic some of these instructions can be, if approached without somebody that is knowledgeable in them next to you.

What was most funny was the point were he was concentrating so hard on the point between his eyebrows that it kept resulting in a headache because his eyes kept looking at it :lol:


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Re: The Psychology of Samadhi - Patanjali's Eight Limbs of Yoga [Re: spinvis] * 1
    #28441292 - 08/21/23 06:38 AM (5 months, 5 days ago)

Yeah he says, after my eyes were crossing for about three years... :smile:

It's interesting how thorough in the steps he tends to be, meaning a lot in the necessity of the preliminaries, and I was thinking it can sound overwhelming. When an ordained monk, as if I would know, but they want to address the most advanced potential in a student, for the types that will actually, you know, follow the instructions.

I think these are with the tendencies and abilities of the student, and I contrast that with some teachings that will say, all of these preliminaries, and including samadhi, are contained in that one mantra, for example, Om Namah Shivaya.

It is not judging one way over the other, but in however one can. Even if one believes their own devotion is sufficient, they can still benefit greatly with the hatha yoga, pranayam, etc.


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Re: The Psychology of Samadhi - Patanjali's Eight Limbs of Yoga [Re: syncro] * 1
    #28441348 - 08/21/23 07:52 AM (5 months, 5 days ago)

In #2 -"Emotional problems require emotional solutions, not spiritual solutions."

A questionable position.


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Re: The Psychology of Samadhi - Patanjali's Eight Limbs of Yoga [Re: Buster_Brown] * 1
    #28441366 - 08/21/23 08:07 AM (5 months, 5 days ago)

Agreed. Again, I think depends on the person's approach. Turned another way, emotions can be made useful to spiritual solutions.

The spiritual does free the emotional problems, and emotion is an avenue upward.

I found there are some things I don't agree with the swami, but it comes down to emphasis, and not right or wrong. my opinions

He agrees with that too in humility and the importance of direct experience over words, and individual uniqueness.


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Re: The Psychology of Samadhi - Patanjali's Eight Limbs of Yoga [Re: syncro] * 1
    #28441378 - 08/21/23 08:19 AM (5 months, 5 days ago)

I still think that the best student will take something like Patanjali's agamas, or the Eightfold path, etc., and follow them as thoroughly as possible. We misfits can grab a gem here and there are stoke our fires.


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Re: The Psychology of Samadhi - Patanjali's Eight Limbs of Yoga [Re: Buster_Brown] * 1
    #28441486 - 08/21/23 09:15 AM (5 months, 5 days ago)

Not really, only natural and healthy. In this context, he meditated over two hours and he thought he took hold of his anger and was able to suppress it. As soon as he saw the same person again, the anger was back, only because his first reaction was to try and bypass his own true self and natural response. After he talked with the person about it, and voiced his anger, only then it subsided naturally.

Fleeing into spirituality can be a natural first response for some and it can offer a safe haven, but it won't solve the underlying issue, in this case his anger towards a person. Only by confronting your demons you'll master them.


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Re: The Psychology of Samadhi - Patanjali's Eight Limbs of Yoga [Re: syncro] * 1
    #28441525 - 08/21/23 10:03 AM (5 months, 5 days ago)

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I think these are with the tendencies and abilities of the student, and I contrast that with some teachings that will say, all of these preliminaries, and including samadhi, are contained in that one mantra, for example, Om Namah Shivaya.

. . .

It is not judging one way over the other, but in however one can. Even if one believes their own devotion is sufficient, they can still benefit greatly with the hatha yoga, pranayam, etc.
I still think that the best student will take something like Patanjali's agamas, or the Eightfold path, etc., and follow them as thoroughly as possible. We misfits can grab a gem here and there are stoke our fires.




It's something that either becomes a part of your lifestyle, or not. Like master Yoda says: 'No! Try not. Do. Or do not. There is no try.'

Within Zen we say, as soon as you mention 'I think', you'd missed the point and whatever follows is wrong either way.

I agree with practicing different directions within spirituality. Spread your wings, and taste as much as possible. They all have their own practices, from different active meditations, silent meditations, breathing techniques, inquiries, philosophies etc etc.

I've tasted, and been tasting Chan, Zen, Shaiva Tantra, Sufism, Vajrayana Tantra, a little bit of Neo Tantra, Esoterica, Yoga, Gnosticism. And it's all around here where I'm currently staying, I do not have to travel the world. So there's no excuse, for me at least, not to do it. Although I'd love to visit Nepal and India one day! One can only dream!


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Re: The Psychology of Samadhi - Patanjali's Eight Limbs of Yoga [Re: spinvis] * 1
    #28441558 - 08/21/23 10:28 AM (5 months, 5 days ago)

A thing about bypassing, I don't think we can call the spiritual a thing to flee to that is not authentic. We cannot bypass falsely, but the spiritual does not give that. Everything must be met in the spiritual.

I agree the swami's solution is direct and fortunate. I don't separate sadhana from process. He would be implying that samadhi or dhyana is not theraputic process? I don't think so.
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Re: The Psychology of Samadhi - Patanjali's Eight Limbs of Yoga [Re: syncro] * 1
    #28441561 - 08/21/23 10:30 AM (5 months, 5 days ago)

The two hours of meditation was not enough. :smile:


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Re: The Psychology of Samadhi - Patanjali's Eight Limbs of Yoga [Re: syncro] * 1
    #28441575 - 08/21/23 10:42 AM (5 months, 5 days ago)

I've seen, and heard of people go totally bonkers that for example do long meditation retreats, without first confronting and dealing with their demons before starting. Yes, it is possible, and everybody follows their own path. But those people needed to go into therapy afterwards to confront their demons before being able to move on.

You can compare it to finding a deserted island, serene and beautiful, but every hour or so a terrible monster keeps showing it's ugly face, just to scare you shitless.


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Re: The Psychology of Samadhi - Patanjali's Eight Limbs of Yoga [Re: spinvis] * 1
    #28441644 - 08/21/23 11:55 AM (5 months, 5 days ago)

Agreed. I can lose my ground doing sadhana and have to stop, or think I have to stop.

Therapy is good, the showing up and speaking in that way.


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Re: The Psychology of Samadhi - Patanjali's Eight Limbs of Yoga [Re: syncro]
    #28442369 - 08/22/23 03:31 AM (5 months, 4 days ago)

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Agreed. I can lose my ground doing sadhana and have to stop, or think I have to stop.

Therapy is good, the showing up and speaking in that way.




Curious to hear more about that! I also remember you mentioning something about your spiritual direction in another thread a while back. Which direction are you practicing at the moment?


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Re: The Psychology of Samadhi - Patanjali's Eight Limbs of Yoga [Re: spinvis] * 2
    #28442389 - 08/22/23 04:55 AM (5 months, 4 days ago)

The therapy, or the detox in practice? I'll go with the latter. I assume you're familiar with kundalini syndrome in its forms and terms across paths and practices. You described it, bonkers. It manifests in many ways over time. It can manifest anger and such, but more so I believe it is a kind of fatigue, though not like any other. It can be very deep sadness and/or loss of emotional ground, a despair approaching madness. Depending on what is going on with the person, I think it can become associated with walking the shadow, if or when it is for someone be in that eclipse.

After looking more into materials on the afterlife, I've come to associate or consider it, not all the time, but with phases of chaos that are reported to occur immediately after death, depending on the person. This is before they regain the body that is suitable, typically perhaps the astral, or to regain its integrity and vitality to be functional. The association has an aspect of adventure in the possibility of entertaining meditative practice as having much equivalence to passing from the body and beyond.

The practice has pretty much always been yogic tantra, tantra not in the sense of focus on the sexual at all. It is Godhead, Mahapurusha type, mantra heavy with supplementals that may be familiar in the yogas, emphasis on subtle purifications, etc., structured around and for meditation, liberation the core goal, as distracted as we can be, and given are various things around healing, and prana(yam), hatha.

It wouldn't go without saying the meaning that study and contemplation including that we share here has provided; we did pretty good studies or reviews of ACIM and Shankara here I think, plus Buddhism, philosophies, ... what you all provide and sharing in it.


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Re: The Psychology of Samadhi - Patanjali's Eight Limbs of Yoga [Re: syncro]
    #28442697 - 08/22/23 10:54 AM (5 months, 4 days ago)

First of, thanks for sharing! :heart:

Parts sound awfully familiar to some personal experiences, and experiences from friends/family/acquaintances. Not sure where you're at now in terms of headspace and recovery, but don't give up!

Have you read 'The Tibetan Book of the Dead' and 'The Tibetan Book of the Living and Dying' with regards to your research into materials of the afterlife?

Love mantra singing, I still need to visit one of the kirtans here, only heard and saw recordings so far. It's absolutely amazing and soothing!

I wonder how much different the tantra practices you're doing compared to Shaiva tantra and Vajrayana tantra.


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Re: The Psychology of Samadhi - Patanjali's Eight Limbs of Yoga [Re: spinvis] * 1
    #28443509 - 08/23/23 07:02 AM (5 months, 3 days ago)

There is that, singing, chanting, though the musical aspect fell off over time with dissipation of the group settings. At center stage around meditation is japa, silent repetition. edit

Yes I read the Tibetan Book of the Dead some time ago, not in this recent phase.

^ I assume it's very close to Shaiva tantra, in prana, chakra system, the emphasis of raising the energy. Not so sure about Vajrayana. When scanning around about that, I found it seeming quite a broad category, iirc.


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Re: The Psychology of Samadhi - Patanjali's Eight Limbs of Yoga [Re: syncro] * 1
    #28443618 - 08/23/23 09:12 AM (5 months, 3 days ago)

I don't like talking about the shadow and such but there have been some synchronicities or connections. I was considering how to say what is the shadow experience, since writing about it I thought, I don't even know what it is, a fading memory in the grosser aspects.

Then I thought of it being a story which connected to the attention in the other thread to Samskara, which in the second meaning also had it as a story, and rite of passage.

So it came together also seen as a part of ascension within, the shadow is a story and a rite of passage in ascension, and fit very well with a big whopping Samskara.

I also associated it with the three corpses in Daoism which I have thought correlate well with the psychic knots, granthis.


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