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Re: The Psychology of Samadhi - Patanjali's Eight Limbs of Yoga [Re: spinvis] * 1
    #28441093 - 08/20/23 08:39 PM (5 months, 5 days ago)

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Re: The Psychology of Samadhi - Patanjali's Eight Limbs of Yoga [Re: syncro] * 1
    #28441149 - 08/20/23 10:16 PM (5 months, 5 days ago)

I like the improvement of production, with the music in between, and the images, also the enrichment in the terminology.



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Re: The Psychology of Samadhi - Patanjali's Eight Limbs of Yoga [Re: syncro] * 1
    #28441156 - 08/20/23 10:24 PM (5 months, 5 days ago)

It appears his videos have had that for some time, though I remember more of him talking only which is enjoyable as well.


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Re: The Psychology of Samadhi - Patanjali's Eight Limbs of Yoga [Re: spinvis] * 1
    #28441292 - 08/21/23 06:38 AM (5 months, 5 days ago)

Yeah he says, after my eyes were crossing for about three years... :smile:

It's interesting how thorough in the steps he tends to be, meaning a lot in the necessity of the preliminaries, and I was thinking it can sound overwhelming. When an ordained monk, as if I would know, but they want to address the most advanced potential in a student, for the types that will actually, you know, follow the instructions.

I think these are with the tendencies and abilities of the student, and I contrast that with some teachings that will say, all of these preliminaries, and including samadhi, are contained in that one mantra, for example, Om Namah Shivaya.

It is not judging one way over the other, but in however one can. Even if one believes their own devotion is sufficient, they can still benefit greatly with the hatha yoga, pranayam, etc.


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Re: The Psychology of Samadhi - Patanjali's Eight Limbs of Yoga [Re: Buster_Brown] * 1
    #28441366 - 08/21/23 08:07 AM (5 months, 5 days ago)

Agreed. Again, I think depends on the person's approach. Turned another way, emotions can be made useful to spiritual solutions.

The spiritual does free the emotional problems, and emotion is an avenue upward.

I found there are some things I don't agree with the swami, but it comes down to emphasis, and not right or wrong. my opinions

He agrees with that too in humility and the importance of direct experience over words, and individual uniqueness.


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Re: The Psychology of Samadhi - Patanjali's Eight Limbs of Yoga [Re: syncro] * 1
    #28441378 - 08/21/23 08:19 AM (5 months, 5 days ago)

I still think that the best student will take something like Patanjali's agamas, or the Eightfold path, etc., and follow them as thoroughly as possible. We misfits can grab a gem here and there are stoke our fires.


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Re: The Psychology of Samadhi - Patanjali's Eight Limbs of Yoga [Re: spinvis] * 1
    #28441558 - 08/21/23 10:28 AM (5 months, 5 days ago)

A thing about bypassing, I don't think we can call the spiritual a thing to flee to that is not authentic. We cannot bypass falsely, but the spiritual does not give that. Everything must be met in the spiritual.

I agree the swami's solution is direct and fortunate. I don't separate sadhana from process. He would be implying that samadhi or dhyana is not theraputic process? I don't think so.
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Re: The Psychology of Samadhi - Patanjali's Eight Limbs of Yoga [Re: syncro] * 1
    #28441561 - 08/21/23 10:30 AM (5 months, 5 days ago)

The two hours of meditation was not enough. :smile:


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Re: The Psychology of Samadhi - Patanjali's Eight Limbs of Yoga [Re: spinvis] * 1
    #28441644 - 08/21/23 11:55 AM (5 months, 5 days ago)

Agreed. I can lose my ground doing sadhana and have to stop, or think I have to stop.

Therapy is good, the showing up and speaking in that way.


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Re: The Psychology of Samadhi - Patanjali's Eight Limbs of Yoga [Re: spinvis] * 2
    #28442389 - 08/22/23 04:55 AM (5 months, 4 days ago)

The therapy, or the detox in practice? I'll go with the latter. I assume you're familiar with kundalini syndrome in its forms and terms across paths and practices. You described it, bonkers. It manifests in many ways over time. It can manifest anger and such, but more so I believe it is a kind of fatigue, though not like any other. It can be very deep sadness and/or loss of emotional ground, a despair approaching madness. Depending on what is going on with the person, I think it can become associated with walking the shadow, if or when it is for someone be in that eclipse.

After looking more into materials on the afterlife, I've come to associate or consider it, not all the time, but with phases of chaos that are reported to occur immediately after death, depending on the person. This is before they regain the body that is suitable, typically perhaps the astral, or to regain its integrity and vitality to be functional. The association has an aspect of adventure in the possibility of entertaining meditative practice as having much equivalence to passing from the body and beyond.

The practice has pretty much always been yogic tantra, tantra not in the sense of focus on the sexual at all. It is Godhead, Mahapurusha type, mantra heavy with supplementals that may be familiar in the yogas, emphasis on subtle purifications, etc., structured around and for meditation, liberation the core goal, as distracted as we can be, and given are various things around healing, and prana(yam), hatha.

It wouldn't go without saying the meaning that study and contemplation including that we share here has provided; we did pretty good studies or reviews of ACIM and Shankara here I think, plus Buddhism, philosophies, ... what you all provide and sharing in it.


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Re: The Psychology of Samadhi - Patanjali's Eight Limbs of Yoga [Re: spinvis] * 1
    #28443509 - 08/23/23 07:02 AM (5 months, 3 days ago)

There is that, singing, chanting, though the musical aspect fell off over time with dissipation of the group settings. At center stage around meditation is japa, silent repetition. edit

Yes I read the Tibetan Book of the Dead some time ago, not in this recent phase.

^ I assume it's very close to Shaiva tantra, in prana, chakra system, the emphasis of raising the energy. Not so sure about Vajrayana. When scanning around about that, I found it seeming quite a broad category, iirc.


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Re: The Psychology of Samadhi - Patanjali's Eight Limbs of Yoga [Re: syncro] * 1
    #28443618 - 08/23/23 09:12 AM (5 months, 3 days ago)

I don't like talking about the shadow and such but there have been some synchronicities or connections. I was considering how to say what is the shadow experience, since writing about it I thought, I don't even know what it is, a fading memory in the grosser aspects.

Then I thought of it being a story which connected to the attention in the other thread to Samskara, which in the second meaning also had it as a story, and rite of passage.

So it came together also seen as a part of ascension within, the shadow is a story and a rite of passage in ascension, and fit very well with a big whopping Samskara.

I also associated it with the three corpses in Daoism which I have thought correlate well with the psychic knots, granthis.


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Re: The Psychology of Samadhi - Patanjali's Eight Limbs of Yoga [Re: WhoManBeing] * 1
    #28443667 - 08/23/23 09:58 AM (5 months, 3 days ago)

I have not been good at sitting, but there is something about sitting on the floor that optimizes, and one learns about their body to be able sit, strengthening, stretching, and going through the pains likely only forced by group setting that hopefully carries over.

But it doesn't matter. Tilopa says recline like hollow bamboo.


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Re: The Psychology of Samadhi - Patanjali's Eight Limbs of Yoga [Re: spinvis] * 1
    #28443975 - 08/23/23 02:40 PM (5 months, 3 days ago)

"What are the primary writings of Mahapurusha yoga? Is there any reading material online?"

That comes from a simple mantra given in a progressive stage to accompany other practice, essentially of Mahapurusha.

It has such profound effect over time the term sticks with me.


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Re: The Psychology of Samadhi - Patanjali's Eight Limbs of Yoga [Re: spinvis] * 1
    #28446352 - 08/25/23 12:03 PM (5 months, 1 day ago)

My thought went back to the psychic knots, referring to a previous; they are located at the muladhara in the pelvis region, and at the heart, and at the third eye. This is a relief in a sense as I visualize the journey making three, and not seven like the chakras, though they are in it.


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Re: The Psychology of Samadhi - Patanjali's Eight Limbs of Yoga [Re: syncro] * 1
    #28446353 - 08/25/23 12:09 PM (5 months, 1 day ago)

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Everyone carries a shadow…and the less it is embodied in the individual’s conscious life, the blacker and denser it is.




Interesting thinking how that can manifest, meaning how does shadow manifest consciously and responsibly?


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Re: The Psychology of Samadhi - Patanjali's Eight Limbs of Yoga [Re: syncro] * 1
    #28455994 - 09/02/23 12:39 PM (4 months, 24 days ago)

Poem time! :crankey:

When It touches the heart, one knows of this,
when's said the body's an abode of bliss.

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Looking at this again, we can wonder if we have attained some level of samadhi, and depending on source, there are lower levels of samadhi that are fairly easily experienced. But as more than an illustration, the chart can perhaps be seen as a rough indicator, relating samadhi to the level of thoughts quelled in practice, etc.




Recalling what is meant by alambana.

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Alambana is a complex concept that has different interpretations in different schools of thought. Vedic philosophy divides alambana into two types: asraya and visaya. It also uses the term to mean “pillar of strength,” referring to God. When this alambana is contemplated, it provides the support or foundation for the mind to travel toward God.

In contrast, Buddhist philosophy sees alambana as a cause or object-condition of knowledge and mental fluctuations. The term can be used to describe the objective base of consciousness. It further divides alambana into three categories, according to their motivations:

    Sattva-alambana
    Dharma-alambana
    Analambana




asraya and visaya
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Ālambana may further be divided into asraya and visaya, Radha is asraya and Krishna is visaya; Radha, as the devotee, experienced greater pleasure than Krishna who remained the object of her veneration.[2] Visaya is the potential object of a perceptual consciousness, ālambana is the objective basis which can even be the cause of perceptual or cognition support for a perceptual error.[3] The Nyaya school does not consider the object in front to be the ālambana of the illusory cognition but rather the interfering external element with its own characteristics.[4] The best ālambana for the upasana (worship) of Brahman is Om.[5]




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Sattvālambana (सत्त्वालम्बन) refers to “that [loving-kindness] which has beings as object” and represents of the three types of Maitrī (“loving-kindness”), according to the 2nd century Mahāprajñāpāramitāśāstra chapter 32.—Accordingly, “the mind of loving-kindness (maitrī-citta) of which we have just spoken is that which has beings as object (sattvālambana). It is found mainly among worldly people practicing the trances or in adepts on the path of practice (śaikṣa) who have not yet destroyed the impurities”.




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Ālambana (आलम्बन) or Ālambanavibhāva refers to “substantial excitant” and represents one of the two types of  vibhāva (excitants) according to Mammaṭa.—Basing upon which the basic feeling rati etc. are originated, that is called ālambana-vibhāva. In fact the dramatic personae like Duṣyanta and Śakuntala etc. are considred as ālambana-vibhāva respectively.




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Ālambana (आलम्बन) refers to a “supporting object” (like the empty sky), according to the the Amanaska Yoga treatise dealing with meditation, absorption, yogic powers and liberation.—Accordingly, as Īśvara says to Vāmadeva: “[...] The conquest of the breath can be achieved by means of [reciting] the three types of Om and by various [Haṭhayogic] mudrās, as well as meditation on a fiery light [or meditation] on a supporting object (ālambana) [like] the empty sky [which are done] in the lotus of the inner space [of the heart]. [However,] having abandoned all this [because it is] situated in the body [and therefore limited], and having thought it to be a delusion of the mind, the wise should practise the no-mind state, which is unique, beyond the body and indescribable. [...]”.




The latter would be presumably Analambana, "that [loving-kindness] which has no object" I'm mixing Yoga and Buddhism here.


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Re: The Psychology of Samadhi - Patanjali's Eight Limbs of Yoga [Re: spinvis] * 1
    #28463647 - 09/09/23 07:02 PM (4 months, 16 days ago)

In a friendly way, considering the apparent division between an attributeless, call it tathata, suchness, and say, the bearded lady in the sky, Fredrickananda, Fredericka of The Bliss -

Both are ideas. Consider being tathata in whatever way it happens. It is an idea. It may become without concept in words, so it becomes something like sensation, wordless, and then perhaps morphs into whatever immersion or satori we like to describe or consider indescribable, or it's just Is-ness, of everything or of void, anything in between.

Now, Fredericka is also an idea, a picture, a person of qualities. Her beard may be exquisite. Her weapons are considered identical with her name, bliss, and the mind clearing power of bliss, such grace, etc. Her name and person in all the qualities also represent the totality of everything in this universe and beyond.

This is not different than the idea of tathata as there are steps taken from remembering tathata inititally, frog, pond, plop! From Fredericka of the Bliss, to various qualities to the idea of the absolute, an initial phase of concentration which also happens with tathata - it is all some form of concentration or mind manipulation or control. Some making it to either being without concept, or having the rider of tathata, or an interference of frequency, divinity, which means absolute and without concreteness - that being the same as the thought process of tathata! Or the action of going or letting go into witnessing, for example, letting go at all.

So there is no significant difference in process and effect between tathata, frogplop, and Fredericka, that is, if tathata, the attributeless, is mentioned or considered in any way whatsoever.


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    #28463687 - 09/09/23 07:40 PM (4 months, 16 days ago)

The reason I say in a friendly way is that although you, spinvis, are friendly, some of whom you quote got me going like, oh yeah, put 'em up! :lol:


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    #28467173 - 09/13/23 04:25 AM (4 months, 13 days ago)

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Can you actually look without the observer? Without any ideas? Without any concepts? Without any of the past interfering whatsoever?

Yes, you can! But not by concentrating, effort, manipulation, or control.




"3.3 When only the essence of that object, place, or point shines forth in the mind, as if devoid even of its own form, that state of deep absorption is called deep concentration or samadhi, which is the eighth rung."

Yoga Sutras

alambana be one with that stuff

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