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Re: Next Gen thinkers [Re: redgreenvines]
    #28441598 - 08/21/23 11:00 AM (5 months, 5 days ago)

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Otherwise said "nothing new under the Sun"...




Just as Nietsche struggled with his categorizations (which is a limiting compulsive perceptual habit) into lists,
you are also avoiding nuance and hammering your otherwise category.

every nuanced thing is constantly being renewed under the sun if you pay attention.




Sounds like a cycle.


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Re: Next Gen thinkers [Re: Rahz]
    #28441661 - 08/21/23 12:08 PM (5 months, 5 days ago)

There is much to learn from the wheel world about change.

our brains are hardwired for it, we just do not notice what does not change, even the stream of consciousness is in a continuous process of flushing out of what just was a big deal and flushing in the next conundrum.


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Re: Next Gen thinkers [Re: redgreenvines] * 1
    #28441690 - 08/21/23 12:32 PM (5 months, 5 days ago)

"Heraclitus, I believe, says that all things pass and nothing stays, and comparing existing things to the flow of a river, he says you could not step twice into the same river." (Plato Cratylus 402a = A6)


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Re: Next Gen thinkers [Re: CreonAntigone]
    #28441725 - 08/21/23 01:02 PM (5 months, 5 days ago)

it is true who ever says it


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Re: Next Gen thinkers [Re: CreonAntigone]
    #28441726 - 08/21/23 01:02 PM (5 months, 5 days ago)

Nothing ever happens twice, the notion especially true in the context of a single life. But the more things change the more they stay the same. I think there's hubris involved in the idea that the stack of giants on each others shoulders gets taller and taller. It's been technology, not the understanding of psychology that has lifted humans up. And yet, for all it's done people are generally unhappy, ungrateful, divided, mentally ill, etc. I could make a list of all the awful ways humans treat each other despite the advantages of the modern world, but I don't think there's a need.


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Re: Next Gen thinkers [Re: Rahz]
    #28441755 - 08/21/23 01:17 PM (5 months, 5 days ago)

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... people are generally unhappy, ungrateful, divided, mentally ill, etc...



some of that is true for many people some of the time, but not all of it all of the time.
And that unsatisfactoriness has been with us since we were wriggling worms a half billion years ago.

your attitude to it, however, is subject to change.


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Re: Next Gen thinkers [Re: redgreenvines]
    #28441778 - 08/21/23 01:29 PM (5 months, 5 days ago)

I don't think that contradicts anything I've said on the matter so I have no disagreement.


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Re: Next Gen thinkers [Re: Rahz]
    #28442016 - 08/21/23 06:04 PM (5 months, 4 days ago)

You may not disagree with me but I will strike out what is untrue  or just misleading, maybe you will still have no argument

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Nothing ever happens twice, the notion especially true in the context of a single life.
But the more things change the more they stay the same.
I think there's hubris involved in the idea that the stack of giants on each others shoulders gets taller and taller.
It's been technology, not the understanding of psychology that has lifted humans up. And yet, for all it's done people are generally unhappy, ungrateful, divided, mentally ill, etc. I could make a list of all the awful ways humans treat each other despite the advantages of the modern world, but I don't think there's a need.




I realize that much of what I struck out is meaningless casual bar talk, or aphorismic gearing up to delivering your punch.


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Re: Next Gen thinkers [Re: redgreenvines]
    #28442086 - 08/21/23 07:26 PM (5 months, 4 days ago)

I believe there's plenty of hubris in individuals comparing themselves, their culture, society, technology to previous generations and/or idealizing some point in history when things were superior. This idea that we're going higher or were higher is a farce and is what prevents the modicum of sanity which would be necessary to collectively make it so.

Pinkerton made a good point and I think such observations are the modicum of sanity. But an individual doesn't need to be a super genius, nor do they need to change the world, nor do they even need to stand on the shoulders of giants. Results vary but it's not an alien function to want to be humble, to recognize bias and hubris is a feature of the human primate, and appreciate whatever growth they experience through these realizations and the suffering that is perceived regarding such base natures.

If I see someone experiencing an unpleasant truth, I'm at least glad they see truth because that is often what it takes to let go of misplaced responsibility, and in doing so perhaps discover something more realistic and functional. Perhaps we have different opinions on what the truth is, and that is fine but "meaningless bar talk" seems like empty rhetoric to me.


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Re: Next Gen thinkers [Re: Rahz]
    #28442115 - 08/21/23 07:47 PM (5 months, 4 days ago)

exactly


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Re: Next Gen thinkers [Re: redgreenvines]
    #28444118 - 08/23/23 04:37 PM (5 months, 2 days ago)

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exactly



That is RGVs cover name for free extasy. I am down.

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Re: Next Gen thinkers [Re: Pinkerton]
    #28444142 - 08/23/23 04:57 PM (5 months, 2 days ago)

I do not wish to quibble


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Re: Next Gen thinkers [Re: redgreenvines]
    #28444181 - 08/23/23 05:25 PM (5 months, 2 days ago)

You do not want to have fun?


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Re: Next Gen thinkers [Re: Pinkerton]
    #28444239 - 08/23/23 06:11 PM (5 months, 2 days ago)

ok, how do you play quibble?


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Re: Next Gen thinkers [Re: redgreenvines]
    #28444596 - 08/23/23 11:36 PM (5 months, 2 days ago)

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ok, how do you play quibble?




Https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/289591/quibbles

"Players each select 20 tiles and try to use them all in a complete crossword. When the tiles are all used that player shouts "GRAB" and all players must pick up an extra tile. Bad Boy Tiles are Wild and can be used as any letter. When a Bad Boy Tile is picked up a Bad Boy Card must also be selected from the pile."


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Re: Next Gen thinkers [Re: redgreenvines]
    #28444940 - 08/24/23 10:39 AM (5 months, 2 days ago)

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ok, how do you play quibble?



One flirts with Monopoly! :cookiemonster:


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Re: Next Gen thinkers [Re: Pinkerton]
    #28444942 - 08/24/23 10:39 AM (5 months, 2 days ago)

I hope you get paid


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Re: Next Gen thinkers [Re: redgreenvines]
    #28445056 - 08/24/23 12:34 PM (5 months, 2 days ago)

Ask OrgoneConclusion.


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Re: Next Gen thinkers [Re: Pinkerton]
    #28445060 - 08/24/23 12:38 PM (5 months, 2 days ago)

$$ not likely then


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Re: Next Gen thinkers [Re: redgreenvines]
    #28445067 - 08/24/23 12:43 PM (5 months, 2 days ago)

Cheer me up, RGVs! :heart:


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