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Re: I just feel like the universe makes sense on entheogens [Re: solarshroomster] * 1
    #28440088 - 08/20/23 03:22 AM (5 months, 6 days ago)

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Impossible to really describe, but I just get the sense that the universe makes sense on entheogens.

Hard to explain, but it feels like everything is reconciled allegorically.

I don't know how I so missed "this".





moreover: the Universe makes sensible entheogens.




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Re: I just feel like the universe makes sense on entheogens [Re: syncro] * 1
    #28440292 - 08/20/23 08:39 AM (5 months, 5 days ago)

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This one should be acknowledged too Solar. "Basically, in short, I feel like I've been to the edge of the universe and back. I saw it formed, saw it deform, and saw it recreate itself again as I returned?"

That integration referred to perhaps there but before, seems more as spacial recognition of the physical cosmos and beyond. Masters have commented seeing the vastness of the physical within far greater subtle universes, as well some say an infinitude of universes.

But wholeness, as it were, ime, can use any or needs no spacial dimension. Perhaps as in sleep,





Excellent point of clarification. It was lazy writing on my part, and I was being metaphorical. When I wrote that, I was well aware it was poor wording, which is why I prefaced it by saying "I feel like I need to make up things to even describe it... you sort of just need to be there to appreciate it." The point was basically to just say "I perceived a lot of information about Reality during this experience", lol. The literal description is a lie: I didn't experience what I'm literally reporting I experienced.

Humans perceive life events structured in spacetime, but the mystical seems to extend beyond space & time. Of course, Reality has a metaphysical essence that is one with the material space-time aspect.

So, when I went "to the EDGE of the universe and back", that makes no sense... there is no "edge" to Reality, since there is nothing beyond Reality. Reality is all that exists, and the unreal cannot be distinguished from it. As a result, space & time is all internally relative; you are always, in a sense, at the "center" of the universe no matter how much you travel "in here" (note: not "out there"). As I've said before, this is why the Big Bang represents the very expansion of spacetime itself and is not an event "within" spacetime. Everything is all internally relative and interconnected.

Anyhow, back to my writing and experience it came from - yeah, I wasn't perceiving it spatially. I merely wrote about it in a spatial sense, because that's all the vocabulary I have to analogize it. The Divine is ineffable and can't be described, in my view -- you can only appreciate it through direct experience, for it transcends the surface appearance of everything, including words.

In other words, don't take my writing too literally. All of it is just dead ink on a page (or, in this case, dead pixels on a screen) waiting for a conscious mind to make it come "alive". The "aliveness" is Reality itself: you, me, everything alive and creating space & time through our imagination.

I'm hoping what I wrote made sense...


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Re: I just feel like the universe makes sense on entheogens [Re: solarshroomster]
    #28440374 - 08/20/23 09:44 AM (5 months, 5 days ago)

I didn't mean it as a criticism, but was putting it in the ranks with at least somewhat having that expansive experience along with those previously mentioned. I was kind of defending my non-substance use experience even though I haven't had that kind of expansion. Maybe some ego play, but meaning to share. :smile:

I am a lot about the spatial internally. After I say something like wholeness needs no spatial dimension, it slips away. I don't know how it can be said. First of all space is wonderful, but then we tend to want to 'dismiss' as a concept, which is also true. But I don't think there can be perception without space. When there is an immersion, there is no longer concept of spacetime as it was. Yet the profound is in a kind of space.


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Re: I just feel like the universe makes sense on entheogens [Re: syncro]
    #28440391 - 08/20/23 09:53 AM (5 months, 5 days ago)

There is the concept of all mind being connected, and following that, how can I adjust to feel I am part of it and contributing? So I affirm, for example, there is only one thing, there is only one consciousness. And then it can show there, the all, a blissful void, around the size of a body at times, bordered only by oblivion, and my offering is wholly in it. And furthermore, when it integrates... where are words? Holy Mama


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Re: I just feel like the universe makes sense on entheogens [Re: solarshroomster]
    #28440486 - 08/20/23 11:01 AM (5 months, 5 days ago)

Good post btw.

I had something about the quote I posted where the teacher is repetitively driving the root understanding of our immutability, or that we can't be touched, no fear. We hear this all the time from many sources over and over, and we should. Loop it.

There is mentioned a lot about the cycles, where we are up then down. The inspiration passes us by. The nectar we attain, and there is at some point the drop.

Now at some point it must sink in to this thick skull, something must reach the applicable. I think of the Shankara verse to the effect of, words of liberation should be heard again and again.

So there came an awareness in that time where things begin to drop. It may manifest as pain in the body, if subtle. Emotions, thoughts, body returns to the lame as it were.

But as soon as one notices the beginnings of the drop, to be firmly in that root understanding so emphasized, that we are untouchable. We can't be dropped. Whatever words are good.

It did show as serving to suspend the fall. Will it be another one of those things passing by? We'll see. When something has good effect and hits deeply, there may be less of a tendency for it to fall to the wayside.

It brings up another point made, and this is applied in self-improvement matters aside from spirituality - whenever there is success like that, connect it deeply with emotion. It is the glue.

It was said also, though I am not familiar with the terminology, I believe it correlated the fourth dimension, emotion, the glue which can help maintain and grow the connection of the third dimension with the fifth.


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Re: I just feel like the universe makes sense on entheogens [Re: syncro]
    #28440509 - 08/20/23 11:16 AM (5 months, 5 days ago)

A point further is in the sincerity of drive to be in that root of understanding, it is fed. Call it grace, who knows. The universe loves that stuff.


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