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Re: Conciousness [Re: hTx]
    #23606693 - 09/03/16 12:13 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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hTx said:

Yes, I would say every human's perception is as unique as his/hers fingerprint.





This idea supports the perspective our experiences are special and unique.

Which creates a feeling of isolation and separateness.


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Re: Conciousness [Re: RJ Tubs 202]
    #23606937 - 09/03/16 04:45 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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RJ Tubs 202 said:
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hTx said:

Yes, I would say every human's perception is as unique as his/hers fingerprint.





This idea supports the perspective our experiences are special and unique.

Which creates a feeling of isolation and separateness.




How come?
Why should uniqueness, diversity create isolation and separateness?

Every leaf growing from a tree are unique but they are also part of a unified organism

Every pebble on the beach, and so on

Diversity in unity, unity in diversity


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Re: Conciousness [Re: zzripz]
    #23607194 - 09/03/16 08:24 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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zzripz said:

Why should uniqueness, diversity create isolation and separateness?




I'm not saying it should. Just that it does.

Just commenting on the trend of what often occurs.


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Re: Conciousness [Re: RJ Tubs 202]
    #23610106 - 09/04/16 03:05 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

but surely it is conformity that does what you say?


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Re: Conciousness [Re: zzripz]
    #23610288 - 09/04/16 06:24 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

isolation and separateness are key aspects of unsatisfactoriness which is the baseline of human experience.
I think if you are aware of that you can do amazing work without any expectation


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Re: Conciousness [Re: zzripz]
    #23613061 - 09/04/16 10:44 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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zzripz said:

but surely it is conformity that does what you say?




I think it's conformity to our conditioning and the associated illusions.

Thoughts and feelings of being special and unique tend to disassociate ourselves from others.


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Re: Conciousness [Re: RJ Tubs 202]
    #28439558 - 08/19/23 04:47 PM (5 months, 6 days ago)

Interesting to read this after some time

I forgot about making it :lol:

What a wild ride :bb:


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Re: Conciousness [Re: connectedcosmos]
    #28439608 - 08/19/23 05:27 PM (5 months, 6 days ago)

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sudly said:
All organisms are conscious but not all organisms have developed a conscience.

Everything down to viruses and their RNA are conscious in the sense that they have an external awareness and can respond rather than only react.




Was I wrong?

I'm fine to call a virus proto-conscious if their activity is purely the result of chemical reactions and not based on a response to say different levels of light.

But if they respond to touch, I may be comfortable removing 'proto'.

If it has a reaction that is a response, I consider it conscious.

Viniger on bicarb is a reaction on a reaction, not a response to a reaction.


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