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Because we're all one... 2
#28439505 - 08/19/23 04:17 PM (5 months, 6 days ago) |
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Because we're all one (the universe is the mind, form is formed from a single infinite potential consciousness which takes up all the space, what we are, fundamentally, was never created), person A can't lie to, cheat or opress person B and expect to be happy. Guilty conscious is inevitable and person A would want to make it up to person B.
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Re: Because we're all one... [Re: Painkiller] 2
#28439541 - 08/19/23 04:35 PM (5 months, 6 days ago) |
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I agree
If a person can realize interconnectedness of all beings and realize oneness or any forms of those "enlightening" ideas/concepts , there "should" keyword should be an innate compassion and love for all life that comes with the realizations imo to where one would strive to be the best human they can with no desire to hurt lie cheat etc to others
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An old Cherokee is teaching his grandson about life. “A fight is going on inside me,” he said to the boy. “It is a terrible fight and it is between two wolves. One is evil – he is anger, envy, sorrow, regret, greed, arrogance, self-pity, guilt, resentment, inferiority, lies, false pride, superiority, and ego.”
He continued, “The other is good – he is joy, peace, love, hope, serenity, humility, kindness, benevolence, empathy, generosity, truth, compassion, and faith. The same fight is going on inside you – and inside every other person, too.”
The grandson thought about it for a minute and then asked his grandfather, “Which wolf will win?”
The old Cherokee simply replied, “The one you feed.”
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Whenever reading the 2-wolves metaphor I often find myself wondering why whomever wrote it didn't do an alternative version in which one feeds both wolves equally.
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^ Seeing Neti Neti in your tag, I was reminded of terms that came up recently, one of which is called viyoga, neti neti essentially, referred to as Patanjali's base.
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Samyoga = moving toward that which serves you and moving away from those things that ultimately don’t serve you = Viyoga.
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The Blind Ass said: Whenever reading the 2-wolves metaphor I often find myself wondering why whomever wrote it didn't do an alternative version in which one feeds both wolves equally.

I picture Kufayev in his broken european/ accent saying, that approach may be very uncertain, very uncertain!
Although he was more specifically referring to the idea of chasing down and slaying the bad wolf in the various manifestations.
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Re: Because we're all one... [Re: syncro]
#28439592 - 08/19/23 05:12 PM (5 months, 6 days ago) |
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I think that type-B's find fulfillment in their service and feel existential dread in becoming maroons. They will not greet as liberators those who want to rescue them.
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Re: Because we're all one... [Re: Painkiller] 1
#28439599 - 08/19/23 05:17 PM (5 months, 6 days ago) |
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Painkiller said: Because we're all one (the universe is the mind, form is formed from a single infinite potential consciousness which takes up all the space, what we are, fundamentally, was never created), A person can't.
We can't, period.
We are not the doers, the Universe does through us.
The prime mover is the sole mover in the universe.
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It is what they need. That is their purpose.
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What is it that "senses" the sense data?
Consciousness?
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Data must be processed by something!
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processing...
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BrendanFlock said: What is it that "senses" the sense data?
Consciousness?
the sensory organs, the brain, and - by extension, the body in general, more or less.
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BrendanFlock said: What is it that "senses" the sense data?
Consciousness?
The Five Aggregates (Skandhas (Sanskrit) or khandhas (Pāḷi)):
1. "form" or "matter" (Skt., Pāli रूप (rūpa); Tib. གཟུགས། (gzugs); Ch. 色 (sè)): matter, body or "material form" of a being or any existence. Buddhist texts state rūpa of any person, sentient being and object to be composed of four basic elements or forces: earth (solidity), water (cohesion), fire (heat) and wind (motion).
2. "sensation" or "feeling" (Skt., Pāli वेदना (vedanā); Tib. ཚོར་བ། (tshor ba); Ch. 受 (shòu)): sensory experience of an object. It is either pleasant, unpleasant or neutral.
3. "perception" (Skt. संज्ञा (saṃjñā), Pāli सञ्ञा (saññā), Tib. འདུ་ཤེས། ('du shes); Ch. 想 (xiǎng)): sensory and mental process that registers, recognizes and labels (for instance, the shape of a tree, color green, emotion of fear).
4. "mental formations" (Skt. संस्कार (saṃskāra), Pāli सङ्खार (saṅkhāra), Tib. འདུ་བྱེད། ('du.byed); Ch. 行 (xíng)): "constructing activities", "conditioned things", "volition", "karmic activities"; all types of mental imprints and conditioning triggered by an object. Includes any process that makes a person initiate action or act.
5. "consciousness" (Skt. विज्ञान (vijñāna), Pāli विञ्ञाण (viññāṇa), Tib. རྣམ་ཤེས། (sna'i rnam par shes pa); Ch. 識 (shí)): "discrimination" or "discernment". Awareness of an object and discrimination of its components and aspects, and is of six types, states Peter Harvey. The Buddhist literature discusses this skandha as,
- In the Nikayas/Āgamas: cognizance, that which discerns. - In the Abhidhamma: a series of rapidly changing interconnected discrete acts of cognizance. - In some Mahayana sources: the base that supports all experience.
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BrendanFlock said: What is it that "senses" the sense data?
Consciousness?
There are countless examples of switches and triggers and sensors, from technology and nature, which have no higher, executive function, in the sense of making a decision.
But, what if Type-B's are acting intentionally. It's what they want, and they will fight for it.
Slavery and cult membership have beneficial aspects for those serving, who recognize and accept their given lot, or who even seek it out. If loyal, they will hide their master's flaws, or fight to protect his honor.
Most of us reading are dedicated to some purpose bigger than ourselves, as small pieces of a hive mind that is sensing said data.
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If you start treating others as literally yourself you're going to find some major barriers to experiencing life in general.
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Re: Because we're all one... [Re: spinvis]
#28441604 - 08/21/23 11:06 AM (5 months, 4 days ago) |
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spinvis said: 4. "mental formations" (Skt. संस्कार (saṃskāra), Pāli सङ्खार (saṅkhāra), Tib. འདུ་བྱེད། ('du.byed); Ch. 行 (xíng)): "constructing activities", "conditioned things", "volition", "karmic activities"; all types of mental imprints and conditioning triggered by an object. Includes any process that makes a person initiate action or act.
The understanding of "Sankhara" is one of the things which got lost, as Buddhism declined over the centuries. It is not a mental formation or volition, at least not exactly. A "Sankhara" is a story, and there is a mental faculty for that. It is similar to thoughts (words inside your head), only it is not verbal, it is a story. You make a lot of Sankharas when you read a book. Both thought (Vitakka) and Sankhara are tools for processing the data which comes through the senses.
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Well... What are you waiting on? Correct the Wiki article so others won't have to suffer through the wrong definition of saṃskāra ever again!
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Re: Because we're all one... [Re: spinvis]
#28441659 - 08/21/23 12:07 PM (5 months, 4 days ago) |
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Oh that was trippy, I was about to ban AI.
Samskara has duel meaning in Hinduism one being rituals around life events.
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Re: Because we're all one... [Re: syncro]
#28441699 - 08/21/23 12:35 PM (5 months, 4 days ago) |
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So is the samskara, imagination ?
Like when one reads a book and images are appearing in the minds eye ? Or even a post here on the shroomery ? Depending on the post a whole story book can play about in the mind
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For my use, I think it is memory, differing from vritti in what desire/impulse? Shankara I think defines them. Are they based in Patanjali? Believe nothing I say.
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Re: Because we're all one... [Re: syncro]
#28441732 - 08/21/23 01:05 PM (5 months, 4 days ago) |
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Spinvis has a definition right above.
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Re: Because we're all one... [Re: syncro]
#28441737 - 08/21/23 01:08 PM (5 months, 4 days ago) |
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Oh those are Buddhist. Who cares about that?
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Re: Because we're all one... [Re: syncro]
#28441748 - 08/21/23 01:13 PM (5 months, 4 days ago) |
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I'm not trusting AI, but got these:
"samskara" refers to the mental and emotional imprints or impressions that accumulate over the course of an individual's life due to their actions, thoughts, and experiences. These imprints shape a person's personality, tendencies, and future actions.
"vritti" refers to the mental modifications or thought waves that arise in the mind as a result of sensory perceptions, thoughts, emotions, and experiences. These vrittis are seen as the waves that disturb the stillness of the mind and prevent individuals from realizing their true nature as pure consciousness (Atman) beyond all mental activity.
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Re: Because we're all one... [Re: syncro]
#28441752 - 08/21/23 01:15 PM (5 months, 4 days ago) |
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I am interested in the differences in Samskara in the Buddhist and Hindu perspectives.
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Re: Because we're all one... [Re: syncro] 1
#28441776 - 08/21/23 01:28 PM (5 months, 4 days ago) |
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syncro said: Oh those are Buddhist. Who cares about that? 
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Referring to the thread title - By knowing a lump of clay all things made of clay are known 
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 54. The true nature of things is to be known personally , through the eyes of clear illumination and not through a sage : what the moon exactly is , is to be known with one's own eyes ; can another make him know it?
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from wiki
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Samskara, or Sankhara, is a significant concept across major schools of Hindu philosophy as well as Buddhism and Jainism.[10] The schools of Indian philosophy differ on the specific mechanisms about how samskara operates at the subconscious level. For example, Buddhism considers samskara as "causal continua" while being consistent with its "there is no self, no soul" premise, whereas the Vedic traditions within Hinduism consider samskara as "relational properties" (an impression, mark, impulse, tendency or a form of psychological potential energy within) that rests inside the "self, soul" of every person.[10] In Yoga, Vedanta and Nyaya schools of Hinduism, samskara constitute an affective and motivational field that contributes to the value structure within the person. They subconsciously or consciously endorse the basic inner drives that propel a human being in future action, future premises, future thoughts or future judgments.
Perhaps Anatta's alternative relates to the rites of passage in Hinduism.
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Das states that the Samskara rites of passage is a subset of actions in a human being's life, where going through the rite within the traditions of Hinduism, affects the individual internally as well as externally in how society perceives the person.[12] This occurs in the form of impressions and imprint within, that is samskara.
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Re: Because we're all one... [Re: syncro]
#28441797 - 08/21/23 01:43 PM (5 months, 4 days ago) |
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There is a big bright lump of clay that brightens my day, brightens my day.
That approach would be very uncertain, very uncertain! <- that is a cruel portrayal of Kufayev. He's pretty boss.
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Re: Because we're all one... [Re: syncro]
#28441816 - 08/21/23 01:55 PM (5 months, 4 days ago) |
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Pali Vitakka is also Vritti.
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Re: Because we're all one... [Re: syncro] 1
#28441958 - 08/21/23 04:12 PM (5 months, 4 days ago) |
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syncro said: Oh those are Buddhist. Who cares about that? 

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Re: Because we're all one... [Re: spinvis]
#28442058 - 08/21/23 07:00 PM (5 months, 4 days ago) |
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It's certainly true that you can get into an invalid dream in the psyche/mind for long years. The mind can be very imprisoning.
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Everything can be taken and turned useful, kept in the light of wisdom for you. Parts that are entirely unuseful are forgotten, discarded. This is a grace aspect in ACIM. I believe I've seen it as specifically elsewhere. Of course the aspect of surrender is universal. We have no rights to fruits, or do not decide them, and that is a wonderful thing. It does not mean there are no fruits of action, but to give them up first and always is supreme.
But, we act on our own with attachment/fear and without wisdom. It is a conundrum and it is known. Give it up nevertheless, so it goes.
To add that this is a positive message because the bad stuff is taken as well, not that we don't need to face it. Paradoxical, but said.
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lostintimenspc said: If you start treating others as literally yourself you're going to find some major barriers to experiencing life in general.
What are they bringing to the table.
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