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OfflinePainkiller
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Because we're all one... * 2
    #28439505 - 08/19/23 04:17 PM (5 months, 6 days ago)

Because we're all one (the universe is the mind, form is formed from a single infinite potential consciousness which takes up all the space, what we are, fundamentally, was never created), person A can't lie to, cheat or opress person B and expect to be happy. Guilty conscious is inevitable and person A would want to make it up to person B.


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Re: Because we're all one... [Re: Painkiller] * 2
    #28439541 - 08/19/23 04:35 PM (5 months, 6 days ago)

I agree

If a person can realize interconnectedness of all beings and realize oneness or any forms of those "enlightening" ideas/concepts , there "should" keyword :lol: should be an innate compassion and love for all life that comes with the realizations imo to where one would strive to be the best human they can with no desire to hurt lie cheat etc to others



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An old Cherokee is teaching his grandson about life. “A fight is going on inside me,” he said to the boy. “It is a terrible fight and it is between two wolves. One is evil – he is anger, envy, sorrow, regret, greed, arrogance, self-pity, guilt, resentment, inferiority, lies, false pride, superiority, and ego.”



He continued, “The other is good – he is joy, peace, love, hope, serenity, humility, kindness, benevolence, empathy, generosity, truth, compassion, and faith. The same fight is going on inside you – and inside every other person, too.”



The grandson thought about it for a minute and then asked his grandfather, “Which wolf will win?”



The old Cherokee simply replied, “The one you feed.”




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Re: Because we're all one... [Re: connectedcosmos]
    #28439572 - 08/19/23 04:59 PM (5 months, 6 days ago)

Whenever reading the 2-wolves metaphor I often find myself wondering why whomever wrote it didn't do an alternative version in which one feeds both wolves equally.

:devito:


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Re: Because we're all one... [Re: connectedcosmos]
    #28439574 - 08/19/23 05:02 PM (5 months, 6 days ago)

^ Seeing Neti Neti in your tag, I was reminded of terms that came up recently, one of which is called viyoga, neti neti essentially, referred to as Patanjali's base.

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Samyoga = moving toward that which serves you and moving away from those things that ultimately don’t serve you = Viyoga.




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Re: Because we're all one... [Re: The Blind Ass]
    #28439588 - 08/19/23 05:09 PM (5 months, 6 days ago)

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The Blind Ass said:
Whenever reading the 2-wolves metaphor I often find myself wondering why whomever wrote it didn't do an alternative version in which one feeds both wolves equally.

:devito:




I picture Kufayev in his broken european/ accent saying, that approach may be very uncertain, very uncertain!

Although he was more specifically referring to the idea of chasing down and slaying the bad wolf in the various manifestations.


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Re: Because we're all one... [Re: syncro]
    #28439592 - 08/19/23 05:12 PM (5 months, 6 days ago)

I think that type-B's find fulfillment in their service and feel existential dread in becoming maroons. They will not greet as liberators those who want to rescue them.


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Re: Because we're all one... [Re: Painkiller] * 1
    #28439599 - 08/19/23 05:17 PM (5 months, 6 days ago)

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Painkiller said:
Because we're all one (the universe is the mind, form is formed from a single infinite potential consciousness which takes up all the space, what we are, fundamentally, was never created), A person can't.




We can't, period.

We are not the doers, the Universe does through us.

The prime mover is the sole mover in the universe.


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Re: Because we're all one... [Re: durian_2008]
    #28439602 - 08/19/23 05:20 PM (5 months, 6 days ago)



It is what they need. That is their purpose.


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Re: Because we're all one... [Re: durian_2008]
    #28440024 - 08/19/23 11:31 PM (5 months, 6 days ago)

What is it that "senses" the sense data?

Consciousness?


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Re: Because we're all one... [Re: BrendanFlock]
    #28440025 - 08/19/23 11:32 PM (5 months, 6 days ago)

Data must be processed by something!


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Re: Because we're all one... [Re: BrendanFlock]
    #28440031 - 08/19/23 11:51 PM (5 months, 6 days ago)

processing...



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Re: Because we're all one... [Re: BrendanFlock]
    #28440055 - 08/20/23 01:04 AM (5 months, 6 days ago)

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BrendanFlock said:
What is it that "senses" the sense data?

Consciousness?




the sensory organs, the brain, and - by extension, the body in general, more or less.


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Re: Because we're all one... [Re: BrendanFlock] * 1
    #28440092 - 08/20/23 03:39 AM (5 months, 6 days ago)

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BrendanFlock said:
What is it that "senses" the sense data?

Consciousness?




The Five Aggregates (Skandhas (Sanskrit) or khandhas (Pāḷi)):

1. "form" or "matter" (Skt., Pāli रूप (rūpa); Tib. གཟུགས། (gzugs); Ch. 色 (sè)): matter, body or "material form" of a being or any existence. Buddhist texts state rūpa of any person, sentient being and object to be composed of four basic elements or forces: earth (solidity), water (cohesion), fire (heat) and wind (motion).

2. "sensation" or "feeling" (Skt., Pāli वेदना (vedanā); Tib. ཚོར་བ། (tshor ba); Ch. 受 (shòu)): sensory experience of an object. It is either pleasant, unpleasant or neutral.

3. "perception" (Skt. संज्ञा (saṃjñā), Pāli सञ्ञा (saññā), Tib. འདུ་ཤེས། ('du shes); Ch. 想 (xiǎng)): sensory and mental process that registers, recognizes and labels (for instance, the shape of a tree, color green, emotion of fear).

4. "mental formations" (Skt. संस्कार (saṃskāra), Pāli सङ्खार (saṅkhāra), Tib. འདུ་བྱེད། ('du.byed); Ch. 行 (xíng)): "constructing activities", "conditioned things", "volition", "karmic activities"; all types of mental imprints and conditioning triggered by an object. Includes any process that makes a person initiate action or act.

5. "consciousness" (Skt. विज्ञान (vijñāna), Pāli विञ्ञाण (viññāṇa), Tib. རྣམ་ཤེས། (sna'i rnam par shes pa); Ch. 識 (shí)): "discrimination" or "discernment". Awareness of an object and discrimination of its components and aspects, and is of six types, states Peter Harvey. The Buddhist literature discusses this skandha as,

    - In the Nikayas/Āgamas: cognizance, that which discerns.
    - In the Abhidhamma: a series of rapidly changing interconnected discrete acts of cognizance.
    - In some Mahayana sources: the base that supports all experience.


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Re: Because we're all one... [Re: BrendanFlock]
    #28440579 - 08/20/23 12:23 PM (5 months, 5 days ago)

Quote:

BrendanFlock said:
What is it that "senses" the sense data?

Consciousness?




There are countless examples of switches and triggers and sensors, from technology and nature, which have no higher, executive function, in the sense of making a decision.

But, what if Type-B's are acting intentionally. It's what they want, and they will fight for it.

Slavery and cult membership have beneficial aspects for those serving, who recognize and accept their given lot, or who even seek it out. If loyal, they will hide their master's flaws, or fight to protect his honor.

Most of us reading are dedicated to some purpose bigger than ourselves, as small pieces of a hive mind that is sensing said data.


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Re: Because we're all one... [Re: durian_2008]
    #28441238 - 08/21/23 02:54 AM (5 months, 5 days ago)

If you start treating others as literally yourself you're going to find some major barriers to experiencing life in general.


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Re: Because we're all one... [Re: spinvis]
    #28441604 - 08/21/23 11:06 AM (5 months, 4 days ago)

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spinvis said:
4. "mental formations" (Skt. संस्कार (saṃskāra), Pāli सङ्खार (saṅkhāra), Tib. འདུ་བྱེད། ('du.byed); Ch. 行 (xíng)): "constructing activities", "conditioned things", "volition", "karmic activities"; all types of mental imprints and conditioning triggered by an object. Includes any process that makes a person initiate action or act.





The understanding of "Sankhara" is one of the things which got lost, as Buddhism
declined over the centuries. It is not a mental formation or volition, at least not exactly.
A "Sankhara" is a story, and there is a mental faculty for that. It is similar to thoughts
(words  inside your head), only it is not verbal, it is a story. You make a lot of Sankharas
when you read a book. Both thought (Vitakka) and Sankhara are tools for processing
the data which comes through the senses.


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Re: Because we're all one... [Re: AnattaAtman]
    #28441642 - 08/21/23 11:52 AM (5 months, 4 days ago)

Well... What are you waiting on? Correct the Wiki article so others won't have to suffer through the wrong definition of saṃskāra ever again! :tongue2:


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Re: Because we're all one... [Re: spinvis]
    #28441659 - 08/21/23 12:07 PM (5 months, 4 days ago)

Oh that was trippy, I was about to ban AI.

Samskara has duel meaning in Hinduism one being rituals around life events.


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Re: Because we're all one... [Re: syncro]
    #28441699 - 08/21/23 12:35 PM (5 months, 4 days ago)

So is the samskara, imagination ?

Like when one reads a book and images are appearing in the minds eye ? Or even a post here on the shroomery ? Depending on the post a whole story book can play about in the mind :strokebeard:


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Re: Because we're all one... [Re: connectedcosmos]
    #28441728 - 08/21/23 01:03 PM (5 months, 4 days ago)

For my use, I think it is memory, differing from vritti in what desire/impulse? Shankara I think defines them. Are they based in Patanjali? Believe nothing I say.


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