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Re: looks like justice thomas had 3 other billionaire benefactors [Re: rxb]
    #28440878 - 08/20/23 05:16 PM (5 months, 5 days ago)

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Re: looks like justice thomas had 3 other billionaire benefactors [Re: Enlil]
    #28440885 - 08/20/23 05:19 PM (5 months, 5 days ago)

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you COULD offer proof for yours, my proof will come when it eventually happens and it will, and then it wont need further proof because it would have happened.

but what you said was wrong as what you said it would require isnt even required in the narrow case you wrongly put it into.

lots of lack of expertise in the law is likely to blame for your mistake its ok we recognize you arent very knowledgeable and we forgive you for your shortcomings.


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Re: looks like justice thomas had 3 other billionaire benefactors [Re: Enlil]
    #28440888 - 08/20/23 05:22 PM (5 months, 5 days ago)

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Re: looks like justice thomas had 3 other billionaire benefactors [Re: Enlil]
    #28440890 - 08/20/23 05:22 PM (5 months, 5 days ago)

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Re: looks like justice thomas had 3 other billionaire benefactors [Re: Enlil]
    #28440893 - 08/20/23 05:23 PM (5 months, 5 days ago)

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Re: looks like justice thomas had 3 other billionaire benefactors [Re: Enlil]
    #28441401 - 08/21/23 08:31 AM (5 months, 4 days ago)

Roe was always a deliberately shaky decision that allowed significant carve outs, to the point that abortion was functionally illegal in some states.

A return to Roe will bring us exactly where it brought us last time: here. We need a constitutional amendment, but that won’t happen anytime soon. The Democrats are still acting as though abortion rights are a secondary issue, with leadership endorsing anti-choice candidates like Cuellar in Texas. And why would they have urgency on the matter when it’s gifting them such a bump in nationwide polling? By all accounts Biden’s majorities should’ve been crushed in 2022, a la 2014, but they weren’t. They have Dobbs to thank for that, so why do anything else about it? The Dems’ calculus on these things is “if we solve the problem they won’t have a reason to vote for us,” rather than “if we solve the problem they’ll vote for us to solve more problems.” Probably because the former doesn’t threaten the ruling class as much as the latter.


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Re: looks like justice thomas had 3 other billionaire benefactors [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #28441409 - 08/21/23 08:37 AM (5 months, 4 days ago)

I could be wrong, but I don't think the Constitution will ever be amended again.  It just seems like the nation is so sharply divided that there will never be that kind of supermajority.


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Re: looks like justice thomas had 3 other billionaire benefactors [Re: Enlil]
    #28441434 - 08/21/23 08:47 AM (5 months, 4 days ago)

I agree. I don't ever see us making significant progress on our fundamental laws at the federal level again. Instead you will have to move to a state with the laws that best suit you. Not a great option for poor people who will likely end up in the poorest states. I.E., our current reality.


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Re: looks like justice thomas had 3 other billionaire benefactors [Re: christopera]
    #28441501 - 08/21/23 09:31 AM (5 months, 4 days ago)

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I could be wrong, but I don't think the Constitution will ever be amended again.  It just seems like the nation is so sharply divided that there will never be that kind of supermajority.




If I had to guess one way or another, I’d say you’re right.

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I agree. I don't ever see us making significant progress on our fundamental laws at the federal level again. Instead you will have to move to a state with the laws that best suit you. Not a great option for poor people who will likely end up in the poorest states. I.E., our current reality.




Let the balkanization begin tbh


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Re: looks like justice thomas had 3 other billionaire benefactors [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #28441513 - 08/21/23 09:48 AM (5 months, 4 days ago)

If the democrats address abortion, there will be the same backlash that the republicans are reaping now.  They still should address it and I believe they will try. Ain't nothing free.  The court with roe had it about right and it was not a decision made in a vacuum.  There are not so many alive these days that remember being young before roe and so we are in the position of having to repeat history to end up in the same place again after whatever pain is felt that brought it on in the first place.  This seems to be how the world works on most important issues.


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Re: looks like justice thomas had 3 other billionaire benefactors [Re: gww]
    #28441527 - 08/21/23 10:05 AM (5 months, 4 days ago)

There are many people who believe Roe was wrongly decided regardless of whether or not they are pro-choice.  Roe is based on a right to privacy that is dubiously found in the "penumbra" of the other rights.  Plenty of rational people have never bought that argument.

Abortion should be government funded and universally allowed all the way up until birth, but that doesn't mean we should rely on 9 unelected people to make law up out of thin air to accomplish that.


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Re: looks like justice thomas had 3 other billionaire benefactors [Re: Enlil]
    #28441543 - 08/21/23 10:15 AM (5 months, 4 days ago)

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I could be wrong, but I don't think the Constitution will ever be amended again.  It just seems like the nation is so sharply divided that there will never be that kind of supermajority.




this is an extremely short sited perspective. you hypothesis might be right if the political makeup of the government remains the same.

but we are in a bizarre position where we have minority rule. a minority of citizens are right wing non-progressives and they are controlling government for the most part, making progress in their direction or stagnating. either way for that sector its a win.

but overtime when you suppress the will of the majority it has a rebound effect. the 14th amendment means that without permission from any governing body any state in the union can simply not put trump on the ballet, or anyone else the board of election decides may have been involved in insurrection. those candidates can sue to get back on the ballot but its not that likely to succeed as there is ample legal opinion to support keeping trump from running.

eventually this will make the extremes calm down again and consequently it would have the potential to have a completely different temperament of government.

right now it looks bleak but really that means we are either bound for having a completely different country or fixing the one we have and the bandaids arent holding the corpse together so well.

nothing is the same it was 10 20 30 40 50 years ago.. every decade is unique. the only thing that remains unchanged is that nothing stays the same.


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Re: looks like justice thomas had 3 other billionaire benefactors [Re: Enlil]
    #28441544 - 08/21/23 10:16 AM (5 months, 4 days ago)

There are many people that faced medical or life decisions and made those decisions  based on their best thoughts personally and made decisions that they still want to outlaw for others who might be facing the same thing.  Those who don't find the right to privacy usually don't find it for others and do find it for themselves.  The ones finding such usually have resources to boot.  Plenty of rational people from the founding till now believe that privacy was the foundation for all the other rights like due process and freedom of speech.


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Re: looks like justice thomas had 3 other billionaire benefactors [Re: gww]
    #28441550 - 08/21/23 10:22 AM (5 months, 4 days ago)

The right to freedom of speech didn't even apply to state governments until 1931.  In other words, a state could silence dissent at will.  Due Process rights did not become a state requirement until 1868.  Sure, some people probably thought that there was some right to privacy inherent in being a human, but that was never a part of the legal framework of this nation until long after its inception.  The right to privacy didn't even exist until the 20th century.


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Re: looks like justice thomas had 3 other billionaire benefactors [Re: Enlil]
    #28441559 - 08/21/23 10:28 AM (5 months, 4 days ago)

We have been though this before.  It is no different at the constitutions inception then it is today.  They gave a constitution, then they passed laws, then those laws were tested though enforcement.  It was the testing of the constitution that garnered the meaning as was intentioned at its inception cause it is the only way it could have been done by the procedures that are the constitution.  If you say this did not happen till and this did happen after, that is the nature of the beast that the constitution is and was meant to be.


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Re: looks like justice thomas had 3 other billionaire benefactors [Re: gww]
    #28441574 - 08/21/23 10:42 AM (5 months, 4 days ago)

You're missing the part where the bill of rights was tested against state laws, and it was found to be inapplicable to state law.  In other words, the test happened, and then the Constitution had to be changed to make the first amendment and due process apply to the states.

What evidence do you have that the general public, or any significant portion thereof, believed that the Constitution, at inception, protected them from intrusions of privacy from state governments?


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    #28441579 - 08/21/23 10:46 AM (5 months, 4 days ago)

first amendment applied.

some states found loopholes and abused them.

was fixed to better fix the spirit of the law.

not that no one had it within states until it was fixed. but it had to be fixed after some states abused the original application.


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Re: looks like justice thomas had 3 other billionaire benefactors [Re: rxb]
    #28441585 - 08/21/23 10:48 AM (5 months, 4 days ago)

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    #28441587 - 08/21/23 10:50 AM (5 months, 4 days ago)

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my interpretation of original intent but there are others, like the arguements for the fix.


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