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So did anyone actually "cure" their depression with shrooms?
    #28408913 - 07/26/23 08:32 AM (6 months, 8 hours ago)

We know of the few studies that exist. But other than that, it's mostly bots on social media who brag about curing their depression, addiction and what not with psychedelics.

I would be interested in hearing from someone who was severly depressed and recovered completely thanks to psychedelics.

Anyone?


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Re: So did anyone actually "cure" their depression with shrooms? [Re: newaccounts] * 2
    #28408929 - 07/26/23 08:52 AM (6 months, 8 hours ago)

I did. And I didn't.

I did.

In 2016 when I went to Burning Man I was suicidal and was going to end my life after the festival.

But divine providence would not have it so. I met a guide there who took us through a ritual and then administered 3.5g of mushrooms to us on a Wednesday night (this would be my first psychedelic trip).

I wrote up the whole story here on the boards. (https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/26826710)

And it changed my life around for a few years thereafter. I was no longer suicidal, I felt a sense of love and completeness, and I accomplished much for a few years thereafter without ever going back to that dark place.

And I didn't.

But it didn't last forever. Today I'm in a darker place where I was before that first experience. And I've been tripping for a while. And some trips helped extend that positivity in my life while others confused and destabilized me (like my most recent trips).


What I learned is that mushrooms are not CURES. The ability to see from a different perspective is extraordinarily valuable but it's just as easy to resist what you are shown and end up worse off than before.

Just like during the experience, a significant amount of surrender in life is important. Mushrooms can teach us how to surrender but, if used improperly, can also make us resist that much more.


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Re: So did anyone actually "cure" their depression with shrooms? [Re: Socrateshroom] * 5
    #28408947 - 07/26/23 09:16 AM (6 months, 7 hours ago)

Shrooms can help you see in new ways, and depression is largely a perspective/inner-narrative/perceptual problem.

Learn about why your depressed, what makes you happy, what is fulfilling, what is antithetical to your values, what empowers your life, what do you want in your life, and what is best for you and the people you fundamentally care about.

Try to be honest, critical, open but cautious, and free to think out new ideas and ways of consideration.

People will say depression is a chemical imbalance, and it’s like a determined condition, while that could be said to be true, it’s also true you can effect your internal chemical nature by thought and belief. For example, if you start telling yourself life is terrible and hopeless, it will begin to look that way and you’ll feel that way over time. The opposite is also true.  Belief is a powerful thing.

I would suggest looking objectively at the narrative you find yourself hearing and telling yourself about life, existence, and your relation to it.

Depressive thinking and feeling depressed can be a bummer but it can also be grounding and be a fertile place for insights and revelations.


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Re: So did anyone actually "cure" their depression with shrooms? [Re: Harri] * 1
    #28409060 - 07/26/23 12:01 PM (6 months, 4 hours ago)

They didnt simply cure my depression but they showed me a better way to live. Which then "cured my depression". I still occasionally slip into unhealthy ways of living and it comes back. Need to always stay viligant.


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Re: So did anyone actually "cure" their depression with shrooms? [Re: newaccounts]
    #28409112 - 07/26/23 01:12 PM (6 months, 3 hours ago)

hey man, great thread, welcome to the shroomery :shroomeryhead:

of course mushrooms have helped me with depression & my alcoholism

it ain't easy work though, because in order to heal these states of the mind/vices, I went through a bit of hell during my trips in which I had face my inner demons, in my case, my abuse of alcohol for many years

while tripping, it hurts to recognize the everyday things you take for granted like your health/life, the love you maybe receive from friends/family; you might even learn a thing or two about having respect for yourself and others

all the while you feel the most vulnerable you've ever felt in your life, you might cry like a child - if you're the type of person that doesn't normally cry at all while sober or keeps that shit bottled up inside (I am/was)

As mentioned before, these teachings/learnings can last a couple of days, weeks, even months. It depends how you decide to work through these new found feelings afterwards & if your willing & have the humility to better your life for your own sake,

Hope this helps, have a good day and take care


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Re: So did anyone actually "cure" their depression with shrooms? [Re: Double] * 1
    #28409874 - 07/27/23 04:43 AM (5 months, 30 days ago)

Possibly...

Bipolar 2 since I was 21 (40 years), involuntary spells in 'hospital', during both depressive and manic episodes.  Long term meds including mood stabilisers, anti-depressants and anti-psychotics.

Started microdosing at the end of last year and titrating down the anti-depressants and anti-psychotics at the same time.  Since March I've been only on the mood stabilisers (both starting and stopping them carries severe risks) and I've been absolutely fine.

I've also had a couple of psychedelic therapy sessions - I'm not sure they're essential for the shrooms to work their magic, but they do help to bring stuff to the surface and to deal with it.

I say possibly because it'll be a year at least before I can be sure, but if nothing else, they've given me hope.


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Re: So did anyone actually "cure" their depression with shrooms? [Re: Janus62]
    #28410090 - 07/27/23 09:26 AM (5 months, 30 days ago)

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Possibly...

Bipolar 2 since I was 21 (40 years), involuntary spells in 'hospital', during both depressive and manic episodes.  Long term meds including mood stabilisers, anti-depressants and anti-psychotics.

Started microdosing at the end of last year and titrating down the anti-depressants and anti-psychotics at the same time.  Since March I've been only on the mood stabilisers (both starting and stopping them carries severe risks) and I've been absolutely fine.

I've also had a couple of psychedelic therapy sessions - I'm not sure they're essential for the shrooms to work their magic, but they do help to bring stuff to the surface and to deal with it.

I say possibly because it'll be a year at least before I can be sure, but if nothing else, they've given me hope.




If I may ask, in what way do they help manage Bipolar? Do they prevent manic/depressive episodes? Do they stabilize the mood?

While not diagnosed, I have episodes of emotional turbulence that swing between depressive and energetic. While I've never felt manic to the degree of reckless behavior, I seem to have lots of swings from high to low.


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Re: So did anyone actually "cure" their depression with shrooms? [Re: Socrateshroom]
    #28410171 - 07/27/23 10:28 AM (5 months, 30 days ago)

Shrooms have not cured my depression, however they have helped me deal with it everday.
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Re: So did anyone actually "cure" their depression with shrooms? [Re: Janus62]
    #28410354 - 07/27/23 12:44 PM (5 months, 30 days ago)

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Just like during the experience, a significant amount of surrender in life is important. Mushrooms can teach us how to surrender but, if used improperly, can also make us resist that much more.




That is an insight I recently had as well. We know that during the trip, you have to surrender and just go with the flow. Don't try to make sense of it while it is happening. I have come to realise it is the same thing. I truly believe that anxiety stems from resistance. You are resisting something in your life. When one surrenders (gives up) there is no anxiety. And that is not an easy thing to do, I can tell from personal experience. But it is something to meditate on. As they say in Fight Club: "losing all hope was freedom".

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Shrooms can help you see in new ways, and depression is largely a perspective/inner-narrative/perceptual problem.





Indeed it is, close to 100 % so. It is not about what happens, but how you interpret what happens. We all have this narrative/story in our heads. I believe depression is the result when we convince ourself that our life has gone wrong and there is no way to fix it. Some times there may be things you can change in your life that will make you feel better. Some times it's more about changing your thoughts. I have found one thing that is a challenge when it comes to working with thoughts is that you can feel like you are betraying yourself when you try to change your thoughts. If you are sad and bitter, then letting go and trying to see the positive things in life may feel like you are somehow letting yourself down by no longer clinging to your negative feelings and thoughts. For me that is especially challenging. Sometimes I don't want to move on. I want to cling to what I have lost and refuse to be happy without it. But truly letting go is a painful and transformative experience that can be necessary at times even if it feels like you have to kill and bury your old concepts and desires.

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They didnt simply cure my depression but they showed me a better way to live. Which then "cured my depression". I still occasionally slip into unhealthy ways of living and it comes back. Need to always stay viligant.




Glad to hear they showed you something better!

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hey man, great thread, welcome to the shroomery :shroomeryhead:

of course mushrooms have helped me with depression & my alcoholism

it ain't easy work though, because in order to heal these states of the mind/vices, I went through a bit of hell during my trips in which I had face my inner demons, in my case, my abuse of alcohol for many years

while tripping, it hurts to recognize the everyday things you take for granted like your health/life, the love you maybe receive from friends/family; you might even learn a thing or two about having respect for yourself and others

all the while you feel the most vulnerable you've ever felt in your life, you might cry like a child - if you're the type of person that doesn't normally cry at all while sober or keeps that shit bottled up inside (I am/was)

As mentioned before, these teachings/learnings can last a couple of days, weeks, even months. It depends how you decide to work through these new found feelings afterwards & if your willing & have the humility to better your life for your own sake,

Hope this helps, have a good day and take care




Thanks. And I agree, it is therapeutic, but we are the ones who have to put in the work.

Quote:

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Possibly...

Bipolar 2 since I was 21 (40 years), involuntary spells in 'hospital', during both depressive and manic episodes.  Long term meds including mood stabilisers, anti-depressants and anti-psychotics.

Started microdosing at the end of last year and titrating down the anti-depressants and anti-psychotics at the same time.  Since March I've been only on the mood stabilisers (both starting and stopping them carries severe risks) and I've been absolutely fine.

I've also had a couple of psychedelic therapy sessions - I'm not sure they're essential for the shrooms to work their magic, but they do help to bring stuff to the surface and to deal with it.

I say possibly because it'll be a year at least before I can be sure, but if nothing else, they've given me hope.




Really happy to hear you are doing well.


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Re: So did anyone actually "cure" their depression with shrooms? [Re: newaccounts]
    #28410769 - 07/27/23 06:48 PM (5 months, 29 days ago)

I had just used mushrooms recreationally in high school. Hadn’t really thought about them in over a decade. I work in healthcare and routinely get random drug tested. Even though they don’t test for psilocybin, I just decided to stop using anything illegal for over a decade.

So I’ve been a paramedic for 15 years. Last year was the first time I really starting feeling burnout, depression, and PTSD from the accumulation of the many horrible things and tragedies I have witnessed over the years. This was followed by severe depression, compassion fatigue, and suicidal ideations.

Last summer a good friend of mine was killed and it almost sent me over the edge. Before he had died, he had ordered some shroom chocolate from somewhere online and given them to another friend for a future trip. Well I decided to eat some with my buddy in his memory.

After tripping, I felt like myself for the first time in several years. I now trip about once every other month or so with that same close friend. I feel amazing now. I feel like psilocybin saved my marriage, my job, even my life, and has made me a better father.

I find it bullshit that if I got caught using the one substance that has worked, I could lose my job and my freedom. It’s an impossible choice.


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Re: So did anyone actually "cure" their depression with shrooms? [Re: Brundis116]
    #28419630 - 08/03/23 09:28 PM (5 months, 22 days ago)

Nah dude I actually developed schizophrenia 😂.  And now I believe that this is all a big government propaganda to get us to wreck our minds.    I'm fine by the way and I love shrooms so much that I found a new species of them.


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Re: So did anyone actually "cure" their depression with shrooms? [Re: luteofolius 2.0] * 1
    #28421892 - 08/05/23 01:31 PM (5 months, 21 days ago)

Run down on my life...dad was great, step dad (I was 5-8) beat me with everything under the sun. Hands, belts, random pieces of lumber, sticks, t-ball stands, threw glass bottles at me, made me kneel on salt, rice, or macaroni on a phone book with my hands and feet crossed behind my back and nose barely touching a wall. If I hit the wall, or my feet touched the ground I got beat. Mom got a divorce, we moved....Way away from step dad and sadly dad, mom was emotionally neglectful, worked a lot and not really present when she was off work, locked herself in her room. When she was present it was drs, pills, etc to try and keep me in check. Dad was great...kind of an asshole but in a funny sarcastic way not an abusive way.

Have they cured me? In a way yes. Not in the sense that I took them and all was well, it was definitely not without self work. They helped me go within and pin point times of my life where anger problems, depression, self confidence issues, and molding took place and the ability to look at them from an outsiders perspective. They also allowed me to process and understand the emotions from all of these events. They gave me the confidence to hold those in my childhood who were physically/mentally abusive accountable and confront them. They allowed me to look at life from others perspectives, like my mom and see how she felt alone and only thinking of her self (She took accountability when I confronted her). They also let me forgive them and see lessons I wouldn't have otherwise seen behind a veil of hatred. I broke free from childhood molds, and now I can see my child self in my daughter and see how she/me looks like from a loving home.

Yes they will help cure you, but not without you putting in the work. Only you can save/destroy yourself. These are but a tool in the healing journey. You don't have to of course, that's free will but don't be surprised when what you project on others is returned.


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Re: So did anyone actually "cure" their depression with shrooms? [Re: cmiller89]
    #28424029 - 08/07/23 09:44 AM (5 months, 19 days ago)

I don't take em anymore but I was taking like .03g a day for migraines & also had depression issues at the time & it definitely helped, not permanent tho...as long as you are microdosing it will help. Our physiology changes tho. I had crazy anxiety & after tailoring my nugs for a year, it seems to have gone away...so I see microdosing more as a daily supliment if you need it...til the day comes when you dont...idk if I'd attribute it to actually fixing anything tho...just may release stuff in your brain that helps cover whatever is causing the problem to begin with.

It may give you the help u need to work on what you have to without that black cloud, like the post above me implied...


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Re: So did anyone actually "cure" their depression with shrooms? [Re: rizingfire]
    #28424428 - 08/07/23 03:06 PM (5 months, 19 days ago)

I take microdoses for a few reasons, bipolar is one of them. I don't find it cures, I find it helps soften my highs and lows.


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Re: So did anyone actually "cure" their depression with shrooms? [Re: cmiller89] * 1
    #28428989 - 08/10/23 07:33 PM (5 months, 15 days ago)

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They also let me forgive them and see lessons I wouldn't have otherwise seen behind a veil of hatred. I broke free from childhood molds, and now I can see my child self in my daughter and see how she/me looks like from a loving home.

Yes they will help cure you, but not without you putting in the work. Only you can save/destroy yourself. These are but a tool in the healing journey. You don't have to of course, that's free will but don't be surprised when what you project on others is returned.




You're a bigger man than most.  Its incredibly hard to break the cycle and so many fail.  I can't adequately convey how much I respect you for taking the hard road and mking a better life for the next generation.  Choosing forgiveness and turning the other cheek over vengeance, self pity, and toxic hatred after suffering such horrible abuses is something I know I'd be unable to do.

So much respect and thanks for sharing.


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Re: So did anyone actually "cure" their depression with shrooms? [Re: newaccounts] * 2
    #28429107 - 08/10/23 09:00 PM (5 months, 15 days ago)

I did, but the effect was somewhat temporary, lasting about a year from a single dose. Still, I never went back to being as bad as I was, and these days I'm quite happy.

I'd say that psychedelics are much like other treatments for depression, except psychedelics are more effective than the existing treatments, but they're not magical silver bullets. They're just treatments. Like any treatments, they're not 100% and they don't work for everyone and they don't instantly cure everything and they don't last forever.

That's medicine for you. We can treat lots of stuff very effectively in medicine, but there are no magic wands to solve all your problems. Psychedelics are the same. A good treatment, but not a magic wand.


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Re: So did anyone actually "cure" their depression with shrooms? [Re: nooneman]
    #28431324 - 08/12/23 05:27 PM (5 months, 13 days ago)

i can't say they cured anything, although they're one of life's pleasures which make it worth living. i changed a lot, in some aspects for better, since i began using psychedelics, but it's hard to determine to which extent they played a role.

what i believe is that there is immense potential in them, but such a potential is not necessarily accessible and what determines it are too many variables to count, even a person's willingness to get better, their life circumstances, therapeutic methods, goals, etc.

with that in mind, i wouldn't recommend going into them expecting a silver bullet as nooneman said. i don't think it has to be, anyway. the psychedelic experience in itself is enough. it might have positive side effects, which are welcome.


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    #28434596 - 08/15/23 05:16 AM (5 months, 11 days ago)

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I’m glad someone brought up the idea that “ they're one of life's pleasures which make it worth living”.

This seems to be neglected or looked down upon in reference to something like mushrooms but acceptable with plenty of other substances/activities that aren’t “perfectly safe”.

For the most part, they have helped me heal, forgive my father for his absence, forgive my mother for keeping certain secrets from me that I should’ve been told as they involved me as a child, learn to love my family again and, most importantly, start to love myself again.

I’ll admit, after my first experience at Burning Man, I took a 2 year hiatus. Then when I returned to them, I had the naive idea that they would “cure me” just as they had, in many ways, the first time I took them. The following year tripping was interesting and exploratory but left me “disappointed”. Why? Because they failed to “cure me”.

What I didn’t notice was how they were changing me. Making me more open, more understanding and more emotionally mature. But that didn’t mean that I lost all ability to be angry, sad, petty, closed off etc. I just did those things a little less. Which is a win in my eyes.

It wasn’t until I realized that I need to add in substantial work to maximize their benefits that I started to see them differently. And I still have a ton of work to do.

But today I know that only I can save myself. And mushrooms are just a part of my journey as both medicine and pleasure.


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Re: So did anyone actually "cure" their depression with shrooms? [Re: Socrateshroom] * 1
    #28436165 - 08/16/23 02:43 PM (5 months, 10 days ago)

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What I didn’t notice was how they were changing me. Making me more open, more understanding and more emotionally mature. But that didn’t mean that I lost all ability to be angry, sad, petty, closed off etc. I just did those things a little less. Which is a win in my eyes.

It wasn’t until I realized that I need to add in substantial work to maximize their benefits that I started to see them differently. And I still have a ton of work to do.

But today I know that only I can save myself. And mushrooms are just a part of my journey as both medicine and pleasure.




Damn.  Absolutely spot-on.  Exactly how I see it.

It isn't a "cure."  But what if each experience- after full integration, after the effects have diminished and fully subsided, after weeks have weakened the memory, after the whole thing is completely over- leaves you with a little kernel that helps you change just 1%?  After a long time and many experiences, that becomes a meaningful, large-scale change and you're no longer the person you were before, each experience and subsequent reflection and integration a grain of sand that adds up toward a cumulative effect. 

What if after many years you could be a full 15% happier, more at peace, whatever?  That's a huge quality of life increase and a very real change.  That's a substantially better existence than you'd have otherwise.

I was always terrified of 'drugs.'  And terrified of change.  I didn't actually believe people could truly change.  I pessimistically believed that change only meant things getting worse.  I now know I was very wrong.


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Re: So did anyone actually "cure" their depression with shrooms? [Re: shed light]
    #28436495 - 08/16/23 08:37 PM (5 months, 9 days ago)

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What I didn’t notice was how they were changing me. Making me more open, more understanding and more emotionally mature. But that didn’t mean that I lost all ability to be angry, sad, petty, closed off etc. I just did those things a little less. Which is a win in my eyes.

It wasn’t until I realized that I need to add in substantial work to maximize their benefits that I started to see them differently. And I still have a ton of work to do.

But today I know that only I can save myself. And mushrooms are just a part of my journey as both medicine and pleasure.




Damn.  Absolutely spot-on.  Exactly how I see it.

It isn't a "cure."  But what if each experience- after full integration, after the effects have diminished and fully subsided, after weeks have weakened the memory, after the whole thing is completely over- leaves you with a little kernel that helps you change just 1%?  After a long time and many experiences, that becomes a meaningful, large-scale change and you're no longer the person you were before, each experience and subsequent reflection and integration a grain of sand that adds up toward a cumulative effect. 

What if after many years you could be a full 15% happier, more at peace, whatever?  That's a huge quality of life increase and a very real change.  That's a substantially better existence than you'd have otherwise.

I was always terrified of 'drugs.'  And terrified of change.  I didn't actually believe people could truly change.  I pessimistically believed that change only meant things getting worse.  I now know I was very wrong.




This is something people should remind themselves of. Your process is the best way forward.

Too many people want to jump 15% at a time so when it doesn't happen, people give up. And that cycle repeats ad infinitum, sadly, in a majority of people. But if they could just accept 1% at a time, they'd achieve it all after a long and fulfilling life.

Perhaps that's the meaning of our lives as journeys. To walk marginally closer to "God" every day (And I use "God" as a stand-in for the indescribable all at the end of complete spiritual, emotional and physical self-actualization). And the end of a life is simply the end of a long and beautiful walk.


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