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Depleted Uranium #Bioremediation #Monitoring #Testing
#28417110 - 08/02/23 07:14 AM (5 months, 24 days ago) |
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Hi guys! Some here (like Curanado), might remember me from well over a decade ago. At the moment I'm very concerned about the impact environmental contamination from the Ukrainian conflict is having on our mycology here in Britain. My blog "Arafel" has been going for over a decade now and readers know that I was concerned about this (esp. re: seismology -see posts-), regarding Kosovo, "Desert Storm" and "Iraqi freedom" (to name but a few), and the issue has raised its very ugly head again now in the Ukraine:
“Depleted Uranium use IS a (Nuclear), War Crime!” Pts. 1 & 2 #medicalresponses #bioremediation #depleteduranium #monitoring #nuclearpowermeansnuclearweapons #NATO #Putin #Ukraine #cheapwarsforcheapwhores #medicalresponses #bioremediation #monitoring https://www.arafel.co.uk/2023/03/depleted-uranium-use-is-nuclear-war.html & https://www.arafel.co.uk/2023/05/depleted-uranium-use-is-nuclear-war.html
Does anyone have any expertise in monitoring such things, I mean as in the use of Geiger counters or other specialised equipment which might be used to determine the presence and quantity of radioactive contaminants in fungi and mushrooms? Can anyone recommend the sorts of techniques and/or equipment one might employ? I recall how naive I was after Chernobyl, I was picking shrooms in Brecon following, it may well be possible that I shouldn't have been!

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Re: Depleted Uranium #Bioremediation #Monitoring #Testing [Re: Silverwolf1]
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Depleted uranium is less radioactive than natural uranium, so the readings on the Geiger counter will be lower compared to other more radioactive materials.
Kinetic energy penetrators made of depleted uranium were definitely used in Kosovo, dangerous only if you inhale slightly radioactive particles after the blast. Wether or not uranium eventually finish in food chain or the atmosphere in alarming concentrations is something I don't know. Regardless, it should be treated as heavy metal poisoning anyway.
People in Serbia are bitching about this issue for a long time now and I'm absolutely sick of it. We indeed have sharp increase in tumours etc, that's true, but I highly doubt it's related to US bombs or ammunition, there is insufficient evidence. I was called a traitor and a sellout to say that. All those illiterate idiots that live here are eating shitty food for years now, drinking alcohol, recently even triple boosted themselves with degenerate vaccines and now somehow ammunition is the problem. Low IQ imbeciles.
Anyway for people living very far away from war zones like yourself, you can pick mushrooms or whatever you want. They're more likely to contain other heavy metals if anything. I don't see from where your fear of depleted uranium comes from, do you know any physics, learn some if you don't.
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Re: Depleted Uranium #Bioremediation #Monitoring #Testing [Re: RenegadeMycologist]
#28418241 - 08/03/23 05:07 AM (5 months, 23 days ago) |
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Hey I'm no fan of vaccination but d.u is a very serious issue..I strongly suggest that you view the two posts whose links are given above...they detail the measurements made by academic institutions and military sites that show huge spikes in contamination..
Have you any idea what the readings might be for D.U?
Remember, as I said, we were contaminated (esp. on the Welsh hills), by Chernobyl fall-out and d.u may have other than immediately physical effects too, quote; "Quite apart from the oft reported birth deformities of children born to mother’s exposed to D.U, there may be other “unwanted consequences” of its use, quote; “imagine many tons* of a very heavy highly radioactive metal being discharged and dispersed into a local environment in which it can particulate in the most efficient manner possible. Then imagine this particulate dust being thrust into the Northern or Northern Sub-Tropical Jet-streams by desert storms (I’m told such things occur). Then as all this plutonium (“for it is I great Plutocrat!”), is circling the Earth and as it does so squeezing, contracting and distorting both the Earth’s magnetosphere (-Edit 15/03/11- “Astrotometric” correlation -see ref: to “Astrotometry” below- the magnetosphere is described as an “interactive” boundary Magnetosphere - Wikipedia ), and it’s geology. Squeezing and contracting until…“Pop! Crunch!”…the pressure is released and WHAM a huge tsunamic event occurs in Sumatra"
*Regardless of the precise figures involved it is my belief that particulate D.U, behaving in the manner I have described, was responsible for the deaths of 250,000 people.
“At NATO headquarters in Brussels, Britain and the US joined forces to kill off an Italian proposal, backed by Germany, for the alliance’s 19 member countries to stop using depleted uranium ammunition until further notice . . . Malcolm Hooper, emeritus professor of medicinal chemistry at Sunderland University, described the Ministry of Defence move as a “cynical betrayal” and “vicious injustice.” The MoD, he said, was testing for high-level exposure to soluble material, rather than long-term, low-level, exposure to radiation inside the body. It was indulging in “Mickey Mouse science”. GUARDIAN” From “Depleted Uranium; Stories From The Archives of The Progressive Review” (go to: http://www.prorev.com/du.htm). When I met David (a British corporal), then recently returned from Iraq ( who had been working in bomb disposal in Basra immediately following the taking of the city), he told me that apart from having to dispose of both bombs and body parts on a daily basis he had seen vehicles (against which D.U munitions had been used), which had been politely cordoned off with yellow “crime-scene” tape. We looked at each other and laughed… …("…and if we knew why the bowl of petunias -did- that we would know a lot more about the Universe than we do at the moment."). He told me, “I’ll go anywhere else but I won’t go back to Iraq, it’s a mad- house!”
I am also aware that earlier readers (ie. prior to this edit), may have wondered whether I believe that depleted uranium alone was responsible for the Sumatran tsunami. The answer is no I don’t, I see it more as the straw the broke the back of the poor camel that had little chance of passing through “The Eye of The Needle” in the first instance! By which I mean that as a final component of the “unholy synergism” which also includes; nuclear testing, nuclear power, particle beam research, fusion power research (and if Steven.J.Smith is to be believed possibly also “Seismic Weapons” testing), d.u dispersal in the way I have described can be seen as providing the trigger event which caused the Sumatran disaster." Go to: "Arafel": "What's that Coming Over The Hill?"
Nb. See UK Column News article (Arafel update), below!
Quote; "On March 19, 2003, the United States, along with coalition forces primarily from the United Kingdom, initiates war on Iraq. Just after explosions began to rock Baghdad, Iraq’s capital, U.S. President George W. Bush announced in a televised address, “At this hour, American and coalition forces are in the early stages of military operations to disarm Iraq, to free its people and to defend the world from grave danger.” President Bush and his advisors built much of their case for war on the specious claim that Iraq, under dictator Saddam Hussein, possessed or was in the process of building weapons of mass destruction.
Hostilities began about 90 minutes after the U.S.-imposed deadline for Saddam Hussein to leave Iraq or face war passed. The first targets, which Bush said were “of military importance,” were hit with Tomahawk cruise missiles from U.S. fighter-bombers and warships stationed in the Persian Gulf. In response to the attacks, Republic of Iraq radio in Baghdad announced, “the evil ones, the enemies of God, the homeland and humanity, have committed the stupidity of aggression against our homeland and people.”
Though Saddam Hussein had declared in early March 2003 that, “it is without doubt that the faithful will be victorious against aggression,” he went into hiding soon after the American invasion, speaking to his people only through an occasional audiotape. Coalition forces were able to topple his regime and capture Iraq’s major cities in just three weeks, sustaining few casualties. President Bush declared the end of major combat operations on May 1, 2003*. Despite the defeat of conventional military forces in Iraq, an insurgency has continued an intense guerrilla war in the nation in the years since military victory was announced, resulting in thousands of coalition military, insurgent and civilian deaths.
After an intense manhunt, U.S. soldiers found Saddam Hussein hiding in a six-to-eight-foot deep hole, nine miles outside his hometown of Tikrit. He did not resist and was uninjured during the arrest. A soldier at the scene described him as “a man resigned to his fate.” Hussein was arrested and began trial for crimes against his people, including mass killings, in October 2005.
In June 2004, the provisional government in place since soon after Saddam’s ouster transferred power to the Iraqi Interim Government. In January 2005, the Iraqi people elected a 275-member Iraqi National Assembly. A new constitution for the country was ratified that October. On November 6, 2006, Saddam Hussein was found guilty of crimes against humanity and sentenced to death by hanging. After an unsuccessful appeal, he was executed on December 30, 2006.
No weapons of mass destruction were found in Iraq. The U.S. declared an end to the war in Iraq on December 15, 2011, nearly ten years after the fighting began." https://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/war-in-iraq-begins
*Italics mine.
Quote; "It was 2004, the day after Christmas, and thousands of European and American tourists had flocked to the beaches of Thailand, Sri Lanka and Indonesia to escape the winter chill in a tropical paradise.
At 7:59 AM, a 9.1-magnitude earthquake—one of the largest ever recorded—ripped through an undersea fault in the Indian Ocean, propelling a massive column of water toward unsuspecting shores. The Boxing Day tsunami would be the deadliest in recorded history, taking a staggering 230,000 lives in a matter of hours." https://www.history.com/news/deadliest-tsunami-2004-indian-ocean"...
"Source: "Uranium weapons being employed in Ukraine have significantly increased Uranium levels in the air in the UK", Chris Busby, 2023
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The military policy claim in the West is that since depleted uranium is heavy, radioactive dust resulting from its use settles on the ground at a maximum radius of just ten metres (thirty feet) from the point of impact.
Civilian researchers have pointed to a different possibility: that the heat and burning created by the impact of depleted uranium ammunition gives rise to clouds of minuscule radioactive particles, suspended in air and capable of travelling long distances and injuring and killing people far removed from the battlefield.*
This is how the UK Parliamentary Office of Science and Technology explains the dual risk posed by depleted uranium:
DU can affect human health in two main ways: through its chemical toxicity, and through its radiological effects (uranium emits ionising radiation that can cause cancer).
The conflict of narratives, whether depleted uranium is harmless or poses a serious health risk, was highlighted by the BBC in 2006 when it reported that a senior UN scientist had claimed that research confirming that depleted uranium causes cancer was suppressed. Lawfulness
In 2003, the British Army seemed to have taken notice of the warnings when it announced a phasing-out of the then-current type of uranium-laced tank ammunition. The announcement came on the heels of reports of leukaemia, kidney damage and lung cancer among soldiers from France, Spain and Italy after the United States' liberal use of depleted uranium in the wars in Bosnia and Kosovo in the late 1990s.
This looming reality, also evidenced by birth defects of epidemic proportions and soaring cancer cases in Iraq in 1991 and 2003–2011, raises the question of the legality of depleted uranium as a weapon. Busby's above-referenced paper observes (with emphasis added):
The question of the dispersion of uranium aerosols from battlefields is of significant legal interest, since if a radioactive weapon resulted in the general contamination of the public in the country of deployment or elsewhere, the weapon would be classifiable as one of indiscriminate effect.
Professor Busby has stated:
If the public really understand what is going on in the environment, as a result of the conflict in Ukraine, the war would stop today.
Culpability
Which side in the conflict in Ukraine might be responsible for using radioactive munitions, such as depleted uranium?
In a recent interview, former US Marine and UN weapons inspector Scott Ritter explains that since 2000, only the West has been using depleted uranium and other radioactive material in munitions:
Around 2000, the Russians looked around and said, "You see what happens when NATO use thirty thousand rounds of depleted uranium rounds in Kosovo? High levels of leukaemia. People are starting to get cancer because they have been exposed to depleted uranium. You see what happened in Iraq where kids are deformed; thousands of kids are deformed?"
The Russians banned depleted uranium ...
Birth defects caused by depleted uranium in the war in Iraq from 2003 to 2011 have been documented in highly distressing photographs, including in investigative journalism articles, documentaries and research papers. The radiation damages caused by NATO's bombing of 78-day bombing of Yugoslavia in 1999 were decried in 2022 by Chinese Foreign Ministry spokesmen Zhao Lijian (misattributed in this video as the Foreign Minister) and Wang Wenbin.
In a scientific report currently under peer review, Professor Chris Busby presents findings indicating that depleted uranium may already be in use on the battlefields of Ukraine and has been so since the very start of the war—and that this poses a significant risk to public health in the UK and Europe:
Data covering the period November 2017 to November 2022 was obtained from the Atomic Weapons Establishment, Aldermaston to find if there was an increase in uranium associated with the Ukraine war. Results from 9 High Volume Air Samplers deployed onsite and offsite by AWE showed that there were significantly increased levels of uranium in all 9 HVAS samplers[,] beginning in February 2022 when the war began. The result has significant public health implications for the UK and Europe.": https://www.ukcolumn.org/article/nuclear-expert-depleted-uranium-may-already-be-in-use-in-ukraine
*Italics mine!": https://www.arafel.co.uk/2023/03/depleted-uranium-use-is-nuclear-war.html
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Re: Depleted Uranium #Bioremediation #Monitoring #Testing [Re: Silverwolf1] 1
#28418478 - 08/03/23 09:58 AM (5 months, 23 days ago) |
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That's a long post to digest and I will read it eventually with more concentration.
But regarding this: DU can affect human health in two main ways: through its chemical toxicity, and through its radiological effects (uranium emits ionising radiation that can cause cancer
half-life of depleted uranium is 4,468,000,000 years. So it is literally harmless in sense of radioactivity. It is chemically toxic correct, like the same when you eat lead, not good for you. I'm not sure why are you comparing Chernobyl fallout with depleted uranium, completely different isotopes and elements involved...
Sorry but in the sea of toxins people consime these days on daily basis, I'm really sceptical depleted uranium should even be discussed in this regard. For example skin cancer is rampant in Serbia, and i know a lot idiots are sunbathing for hours at a time...
I will read your comment more thoroughly though. If you take this topic in politics subforum or wherever we can discuss it further.
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Re: Depleted Uranium #Bioremediation #Monitoring #Testing [Re: RenegadeMycologist]
#28421562 - 08/05/23 08:35 AM (5 months, 21 days ago) |
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Whatever the cause (be it as radioactive or heavy metal contaminant), d.u is both geno-toxic and carcinogenic this has been established..if d.u gives off sufficient radiation to be measurable by standard Geiger counters I suggest that it is still something one does not want to inspire, digest or come into any intimate contact with... I will see what I can find from the institutions re: testing/monitoring (esp. re: mycology), .. do see the posts as there are many pictures of deformed babies whose deformities have been attributed to their in-uterine d.u exposure..
Quote; "In nature, U-235 only makes up a very small part of the uranium ore. Given its importance for nuclear power and nuclear weapons technology, U-235 is often removed from the natural uranium ore and concentrated through a process called uranium enrichment. DU is the material left behind after enrichment. Like the natural uranium ore, DU is radioactive. DU mainly emits alpha particle radiation. Alpha particles don't have enough energy to go through skin. As a result, exposure to the outside of the body is not considered a serious hazard. However, if DU is ingested or inhaled, it is a serious health hazard. Alpha particles directly affect living cells and can cause kidney damage.": https://www.epa.gov/radtown/depleted-uranium
Quote; "All isotopes of uranium are radioactive. Both uranium and depleted uranium, and their immediate decay products, emit alpha and beta particles and a small amount of gamma radiation.
Depletion of U-235 during processing leaves DU appreciably less radioactive than naturally occurring isotopic mixtures. It typically contains 30-40 per cent of the concentration of U-235 found in natural uranium, or about 0.2 to 0.3 per cent by weight. This means that the radioactivity of newly produced DU is only about 60 per cent of natural uranium.
DU munitions collected in Kosovo also contained trace amounts of other radioactive elements, but they increase the overall radioactivity by less than one per cent.
All natural uranium isotopes emit alpha particles – positively charged ions identical to the nucleus of a helium atom, with two protons and two neutrons. Their beta and gamma activity is low. Alpha particles are relatively large, and do not penetrate far in tissue – they are stopped by the skin, for example. This means uranium only poses a radiation hazard if it is breathed in, eaten or drunk, or enters part of the body exposed by injury*.": https://ec.europa.eu/health/scientific_committees/opinions_layman/depleted-uranium/en/l-2/4.htm
*Italics mine, I love this masterly downplaying of the hazards of d.u "only".
One dosimeter I can find specifically for shrooms and other forage retails at £255, however, detectors specifically for alpha particles seem much more difficult and costly to acquire.
The thing we really need to know re: dosimeters is the necessary sensitivity (esp. re: alpha and beta emissions), for adequate testing of shrooms and/or their substrate/immediate environs.. Does anyone here know?
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Re: Depleted Uranium #Bioremediation #Monitoring #Testing [Re: Silverwolf1] 2
#28421877 - 08/05/23 01:18 PM (5 months, 21 days ago) |
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You're way over your head bro in physics you don't understand.
Article is not downplaying anything, depleted uranium is not dangerous as you think and reasons are correctly elaborated.
How is this thread related to mushroom hunting and identification anyway? Are you seriously suggesting we run around the woods dressed as Chernobyl liquidators with geiger collecting mushrooms because you think radioactive dust reached us from Ukraine or whatever?!
am i being played here ? You keep expanding your posts, and it appears all this might be preface for selling some kind of kits, dosimeters or whatever...
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Silverwolf1 said: One dosimeter I can find specifically for shrooms and other forage retails at £255
Also all those hashtags to feed the web crawlers?
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Re: Depleted Uranium #Bioremediation #Monitoring #Testing [Re: RenegadeMycologist]
#28430869 - 08/12/23 11:28 AM (5 months, 14 days ago) |
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I'm "over my head"? I think it's you adorning their walls with my content. I assure you that I am in no way over my head....and the # are to attract views to posts (and Twitter acc.), I cannot afford to promote (see blog for extensive post on this subject #thefullyverifiedgeese -"huh?"-), quote: "As a result, exposure to the outside of the body is not considered a serious hazard. However, if DU is ingested or inhaled, it is a serious health hazard. Alpha particles directly affect living cells and can cause kidney damage" from the government's own website bud....and yes it is still active...I think you may be swimming a river in Egypt (watch out for them old crocs !). Quote; "This means uranium only poses a radiation hazard if it is breathed in, eaten or drunk, or enters part of the body exposed by injury" from EU official.
Yeah downplay I said and downplay I meant...if it's in the environment (esp. forage), you're likely to ingest it....if it's particulate in the air you're likely to inhale it... so yeah "only" means we're being played..
Why would you suggest we move this to a "politics" forum? So you can try and talk me down with neoliberal pap? Surely this is an "environment" sub-forum issue anyway (or are we to assume; "NATO d.u good, Russian d.u bad!?)"
P.S I have no commercial interests and the dosimeter wasn't linked to....I am considering buying one though...all serious foragers should!
P.P.S No one else thinks this is an important subject?!
P.P.P.S Please check the blog posts (esp. for images as the one below is the only one acceptably formatted for this site, links given above on initial post), and read them thoroughly, it won't take long (pt.3 will be posted asap). I've been studying this subject for well over a decade:
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Silverwolf1 said: Why would you suggest we move this to a "politics" forum? So you can try and talk me down with neoliberal pap? Surely this is an "environment" sub-forum issue anyway (or are we to assume; "NATO d.u good, Russian d.u bad!?"
Because it belongs there, or as you suggest environment subforum; this topic is not related to mushrooms whatsoever, but since moderators are complete wankers to tolerate you posting and bumping this thread endlessly in MHI, here I am, delighted to escalate this further.
It's funny how you accuse me of neoliberal crap, the reason I even responded is because I'm involved personally. My house was fucking damaged from nato bombs and fuck me if I know how many shrapnels I collected as souvenirs in '99. I would probably be dead of all the radiation you claim nato bombs contained. There was no need for nato to go radioactive to effectively kill Milica Rakić and blast into pieces hundreds like her. As I stated previously, DU was only used rarely as KEP. Also, I'm not a Russian fanboy or hater, but that's another story though. Just seeking truth.
Mushroom foragers with dosimeters.... sorry bro, this is either you trolling or the stupidest idea I have ever heard. And above all, you fail to explain how depleted uranium even reached UK or whatever country, and how is it more dangerous than naturally occurring uranium or any other heavy metal.
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Re: Depleted Uranium #Bioremediation #Monitoring #Testing [Re: RenegadeMycologist]
#28431179 - 08/12/23 03:54 PM (5 months, 13 days ago) |
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I mean as many good points as you both make, RM is a TI so I'd usually trust him on matters like these... just sayin
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Re: Depleted Uranium #Bioremediation #Monitoring #Testing [Re: Silverwolf1]
#28431891 - 08/13/23 05:43 AM (5 months, 13 days ago) |
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I have read your links and whatnot, but I didn't come across anything that myself, the military, or the scientific community are not aware of.
Now it's my turn to link you a study you should definitely read about decontamination of southern Serbia of DU and thorough analysis of this issue: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/24778342/#:~:text=In%20the%201999%20bombing%20of,used%20ammunition%20containing%20depleted%20uranium.
Use sci-hub.se to view the article with doi number.
In conclusion, major concern with depleted uranium comes from inhaling fine particles, as alpha-emitting particles lodged in the lungs can pose a higher risk. However, the level of radioactivity in most depleted uranium ammunition is usually low enough that the risk of cancer from ingestion is not significant. I'm not certain whether US was stupid enough to use uranium frequently in aerial bombs, myself and many others would definitely inhale fuck load of it and be dead by now. Serbian war propaganda claimed it's almost in every bomb, but despite our (mine and Serbian warlords) common hatred of US instrument of foreign policy and imperialism, which is NATO, I don't buy the DU cancer story, it doesn't add up.
So unless you were in Kosovo in '99 on the battlefield inhaling fumes from armoured vehicles pierced with DU kinetic energy penetrators, or on the Pljačkovica hill that was targeted with DU missiles, you're safe. Dosimetres and discussing this in the context of mushrooms and someone living in the UK is ludicrous to say at least.
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Re: Depleted Uranium #Bioremediation #Monitoring #Testing (moved) [Re: Silverwolf1]
#28431965 - 08/13/23 07:47 AM (5 months, 13 days ago) |
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This thread was moved from Mushroom Hunting and Identification.
Reason: The discussion isn’t about hunting and identification
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