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How to pray successfully
    #28431858 - 08/13/23 03:50 AM (5 months, 13 days ago)

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Ask not of God what you want

Ask what you can do for Him

and if you do it He rewards you.

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this is also why the atheist stance of demandiung of God to prove Himself before putting effort into Him usually fails.

God prefers to transact with you like a gumball machine: insert coin, twist knob, receive gumball.



build a large hadron collider, get large hadron collider results. Why reverse that when dealing with God?


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Re: How to pray successfully [Re: Asante]
    #28431867 - 08/13/23 04:22 AM (5 months, 13 days ago)

I like that thinking. But that means that you'll then get a random reward in return right?

Or would one get whatever is most important for one in that particular moment?


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Re: How to pray successfully [Re: Fridgedoor]
    #28431873 - 08/13/23 04:56 AM (5 months, 13 days ago)

it's not a game, it's a generally good direction.
it's a realignment from self interest towards awakening.


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Re: How to pray successfully [Re: redgreenvines]
    #28431936 - 08/13/23 07:11 AM (5 months, 13 days ago)

:alert:WARNING: THIS IS THE POST OF SOMEONE WHO STRONGLY SUSPECTS THEY MAY WELL BE AN ACTUAL GOBSHITE.:alert:

"How to pray SUCCESSFULLY" doesn't seem to cover the content of your post IMO.
With all due respect, I feel clickbaited Asante:lol:
The title left me expecting a thread trying to encourage ways to combine beliefs with something actionable- beyond ourselves.

Instead, and I may be reading into it wrong, I see the same old idea of reducing the beauty and transformative nature of incorporating faith into our lives with something... transactional.

This analogy is assuming we even want something as ephemeral as a gumball (unless it's a Willy Wonka style everlasting gobstopper stylee situation, in which case I'm back to the drawing board) rather than simply trying to accept and understand the existence of a gumball machine, letting that 'knowledge' cascade into unforseen change.

Surrendering our egoic tendancies with a view toward TRULY believing in the gumball machine is, weirdly, the first step into transcending the want of the Samsaric gumball, IMO.
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Fridgedoor said:
I like that thinking. But that means that you'll then get a random reward in return right?

Or would one get whatever is most important for one in that particular moment?



Good point.
My (limited) understanding/belief is more angled toward the second part of your comment.
Putting faith in and accepting the inherant discord between what we want and what we need.
It's obscured by any number of variables, changing so fast we can't neccesarily keep up.

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redgreenvines said:
it's not a game



Well shit- you heard it here first folks!
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Serious business, life!
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redgreenvines said:
it's a generally good direction.
it's a realignment from self interest
towards awakening.



This, I agree with. Awakening? Seems quite un RGV of you :wink:
I would have perhaps, been less combative/judgmental to "awareness" BUT it's probably just semantics...

"Don't remember where I was, when I realised life's a game. The more seriously I took things the harder the rules became." Dave Mustaine. Yes, that fucking guy.
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Re: How to pray successfully [Re: Lithop]
    #28431988 - 08/13/23 08:20 AM (5 months, 12 days ago)

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thizzlemaniac said:






you can put me in a trench and shell it and through the shockwaves that ring my ears and make me puke I will scream out to God and through my inner anjd outer voice God will scream out through me.

I do not have to practice stillness, instead he wants me to alternate between the extremes of emotion and ride them as our vehicle driving home His messages inbetween, yes, the stillness, that also needs be.

God has very much to say to the world through me, one of his biggest messages being that he wants direct explicit negotiatons with those of you who by these provocations like this post or Omnicyclion feel called to this.

We are interstellar gas clouds. I have ignited to a star, i am the bearer of His fire, and he wants as many of us to ignite as fast as possible to turn the tide on this dying civilisation.

He has painted a very grim picture what would happen if we didnt light up:




But there is a better way:






Asante's trippin again? No i owe it to my kids to stay sober for now.





this just in, from this afternoon's lunch.


Good is something we either do or don't.


Whatever's crooked in your life, straighten it.


If you want God in your life, define God as the all enoimpassing Oneness to exclude any lesser consiousness and give yourself without asking.


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Re: How to pray successfully [Re: Fridgedoor]
    #28431992 - 08/13/23 08:22 AM (5 months, 12 days ago)

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Fridgedoor said:
I like that thinking. But that means that you'll then get a random reward in return right?

Or would one get whatever is most important for one in that particular moment?





Only God knows your true priorities at that point and will give you something rewardingly proportionate to what you transacted with.

Never transact with a "prosperity gospel" preacher because that is idolatry.

only with God directly.


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Re: How to pray successfully [Re: Asante] * 1
    #28432023 - 08/13/23 08:51 AM (5 months, 12 days ago)

My cat thinks I'm god. She brings dead birds to me occasionally and I reward her with some tuna and a belly rub.


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Re: How to pray successfully [Re: Lithop]
    #28432041 - 08/13/23 09:08 AM (5 months, 12 days ago)

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Lithop said:

"How to pray SUCCESSFULLY" doesn't seem to cover the content of your post IMO.
With all due respect, I feel clickbaited Asante:lol:
The title left me expecting a thread trying to encourage ways to combine beliefs with something actionable- beyond ourselves.

Instead, and I may be reading into it wrong, I see the same old idea of reducing the beauty and transformative nature of incorporating faith into our lives with something... transactional.

This analogy is assuming we even want something as ephemeral as a gumball (unless it's a Willy Wonka style everlasting gobstopper stylee situation, in which case I'm back to the drawing board) rather than simply trying to accept and understand the existence of a gumball machine, letting that 'knowledge' cascade into unforseen change.

Surrendering our egoic tendancies with a view toward TRULY believing in the gumball machine is, weirdly, the first step into transcending the want of the Samsaric gumball, IMO.


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Fridgedoor said:
I like that thinking. But that means that you'll then get a random reward in return right?

Or would one get whatever is most important for one in that particular moment?



Good point.
My (limited) understanding/belief is more angled toward the second part of your comment.
Putting faith in and accepting the inherant discord between what we want and what we need.
It's obscured by any number of variables, changing so fast we can't neccesarily keep up.

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redgreenvines said:
it's not a game



Well shit- you heard it here first folks!
:amusedapplause:
Serious business, life!
:awesomenod:
Quote:

redgreenvines said:
it's a generally good direction.
it's a realignment from self interest
towards awakening.



This, I agree with. Awakening? Seems quite un RGV of you :wink:
I would have perhaps, been less combative/judgmental to "awareness" BUT it's probably just semantics...

"Don't remember where I was, when I realised life's a game. The more seriously I took things the harder the rules became." Dave Mustaine. Yes, that fucking guy.

But then again- if the boot fits:shrug:





you are totally not getting it, and you are with the world majority in that.

I'm teaching you the PHYSICS in which God prefers to transact with you.

You are at Walmart, unloading your cart in your car in the parking lot. A homeless person comes at you, arm outstretched, pointing to his palm impatiently going "gimme money, give it give it"

A moment later another homeless person approaches you "Shall I return that cart for you? that's my spot by the carts."

one of them gets a bit of money, a roll of cookies and a can of beer.

guess which one?

GOD IS THE GUY WITH THE GROCERIES

you are the homeless person.

It takes two people turning the key in the lauch sequence to launch an ICBM.

God wants to teach you generosity so if you twist the key out of greed, selfishness, he won't turn that second key, nothing happens for you.

If you are the generous key-turner, there is a good chance he rewards that by augmenting your intent with his action and you get things done together.

this is physics, to get motion, apply impulse. Only the kind of guy who drinks a glass of water with both hands would go sit down in a wheelbarrow in the expectation of being carried from A to B.

cause and effect an be transended, but only by God. He tends to do so to pave the way to the deserving.

Man's greed is destroying the planet and has the majority of humanity living under atrocious circumstances while we trample them underfoot like children in a gas chamber trying to kiss billionaire ass hoping he will fart dollar bills down the hole.

This is so much not of his choosing he's willing to make a rather bold statement vs world trade and the war machine, then spare the white house, show a presidential president then slam the US with a billionaire jackass voted in by christians to become the world leader of covid mortality.





I'm proud to be an admin of the world's biggest mushrom tribe who makes it rain down in Africa with water wells and planting 150000 fruit trees which on average will produce over 20 million fruits a year.

We pay it forward, fork over weed money for trees money, fixing that world thats being broken, recolonizing the substrate.

Thats the Shroomery way.

Ythan, Geokills, the admin team whole were STUNNED bu such community generosity.

It all started with one single krugerrand thrown into 3 wishing wells and the planting of 20 fruit trees in orphanages, in a straight-up transaction with God. The Shroomery and unexpected sponsors laughed and threw 30 more krugerrands at Africa, straight from the kindness of our hearts.

God Blessed It With Success - just like the Muslim Adhaan calls Muslims to - our spiritual and aspiritual people in all the right places launched all those love rockets in three salvos, fourth strike expected near thanksgiving.






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Re: How to pray successfully [Re: Asante]
    #28432072 - 08/13/23 09:35 AM (5 months, 12 days ago)

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Asante said:
you are totally not getting it, and you are with the world majority in that.

I'm teaching you the PHYSICS in which God prefers to transact with you.

You are at Walmart, unloading your cart in your car in the parking lot. A homeless person comes at you, arm outstretched, pointing to his palm impatiently going "gimme money, give it give it"

A moment later another homeless person approaches you "Shall I return that cart for you? that's my spot by the carts."

one of them gets a bit of money, a roll of cookies and a can of beer.

guess which one?

GOD IS THE GUY WITH THE GROCERIES

you are the homeless person.

It takes two people turning the key in the lauch sequence to launch an ICBM.

God wants to teach you generosity so if you twist the key out of greed, selfishness, he won't turn that second key, nothing happens for you.

If you are the generous key-turner, there is a good chance he rewards that by augmenting your intent with his action and you get things done together.

this is physics, to get motion, apply impulse. Only the kind of guy who drinks a glass of water with both hands would go sit down in a wheelbarrow in the expectation of being carried from A to B.

cause and effect an be transended, but only by God. He tends to do so to pave the way to the deserving.

Man's greed is destroying the planet and has the majority of humanity living under atrocious circumstances while we trample them underfoot like children in a gas chamber trying to kiss billionaire ass hoping he will fart dollar bills down the hole.

This is so much not of his choosing he's willing to make a rather bold statement vs world trade and the war machine, then spare the white house, show a presidential president then slam the US with a billionaire jackass voted in by christians to become the world leader of covid mortality.





I'm proud to be an admin of the world's biggest mushrom tribe who makes it rain down in Africa with water wells and planting 150000 fruit trees which on average will produce over 20 million fruits a year.

We pay it forward, fork over weed money for trees money, fixing that world thats being broken, recolonizing the substrate.

Thats the Shroomery way.

Ythan, Geokills, the admin team whole were STUNNED bu such community generosity.

It all started with one single krugerrand thrown into 3 wishing wells and the planting of 20 fruit trees in orphanages, in a straight-up transaction with God. The Shroomery and unexpected sponsors laughed and threw 30 more krugerrands at Africa, straight from the kindness of our hearts.

God Blessed It With Success - just like the Muslim Adhaan calls Muslims to - our spiritual and aspiritual people in all the right places launched all those love rockets in three salvos, fourth strike expected near thanksgiving.








:waitnonevermind:
Damn, Asante.
Anyway "All due respect" was specifically referring to the amount of REAL, TANGIBLE good you've helped bring to those who sorely need it, in various ways through your involvement/role here.
You're right, in regards to this response I suppose don't "get" it man- thanks for trying to teach me though...
:homerlurk:

:EDIT:My thin skinned response- I suppose I felt called out because I hold my glasses of water with both hands at a minimum.
It makes it tough to cling onto the wheelbarrow, which makes the ride very scary for me.
:mariopeace:


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Re: How to pray successfully [Re: Lithop] * 1
    #28432553 - 08/13/23 03:46 PM (5 months, 12 days ago)

sorry if offensive, i tend to say things very intensely.





this kid is sitting up straight and as his torn shirt shows, while not thinskinned he has creased skin folds on his abdomen.

haunts me.

that 25 cents of corn and beans with palm oil isn't much, but its more than he hoped for, that evenng another plate awaited, the next day, even with onions and thin oily peanut butter on top!

I've asked a quote on a 50/110lbs kg bag of peanuts sine shelled peanuts are 50% oil and 30% protein, which is just the ticket to plumpen up emaciated kids.

If you want to pray successfully, give yourself to God for Gods purposes. He'll reward you with peanut sauce on top if you do what he wants, but for you to do as he wants he must first communiate his wishes in a way understandable to you.

Give yourself. Jump into the fire. Leap of faith. Walk on water.


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Re: How to pray successfully [Re: Lithop] * 2
    #28432729 - 08/13/23 06:37 PM (5 months, 12 days ago)

Honestly, Lithop, if I opened up an engine that Asante had engineered based upon the physics he mentions, I would not know what to do to fix it, but, being open to the fact that it did run before, and could just be a bit out of alignment I would look as see that what was connected to what was still there, close it up respectfully and realize that not all engines are alike.

so here you go
realignment from self interest towards awakening.
Vrooom.

maybe not exactly what others call prayer, but it would work in many situations I might imagine.

words can be poor bearers of meaning.


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Re: How to pray successfully [Re: redgreenvines]
    #28433164 - 08/14/23 04:29 AM (5 months, 12 days ago)

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Asante said:
sorry if offensive, i tend to say things very intensely.



Appreciate that, but it's ok man.
:thumbup:
I was offended, but looking back it was more caused by my interpretation.
You were being yourself, I was being myself- wasn't the first or last time wires get crossed.
It is the internet, afterall.
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Asante said:


this kid is sitting up straight and as his torn shirt shows, while not thinskinned he has creased skin folds on his abdomen.

haunts me.




Haunting, yes, motivating also yes. If you felt nothing in the face of these brutal truths then I doubt you would be compelled to act.
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Asante said:
that 25 cents of corn and beans with palm oil isn't much, but its more than he hoped for, that evenng another plate awaited, the next day, even with onions and thin oily peanut butter on top!

I've asked a quote on a 50/110lbs kg bag of peanuts sine shelled peanuts are 50% oil and 30% protein, which is just the ticket to plumpen up emaciated kids.



:rockon:
Hopefully the quote comes back with a price that allows for a whole fucking lot of peanuts.

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Asante said:
If you want to pray successfully, give yourself to God for Gods purposes. He'll reward you with peanut sauce on top if you do what he wants, but for you to do as he wants he must first communiate his wishes in a way understandable to you.



:yesnod: 
I'm trying, I get carried away with myself.
Waiting a bit before responding, maybe I could have understood the transactional nature in the sense the Gita lays out, IE
"The constitution of the living being is rendering of service to the supreme personality of the Godhead.
A living being serves other living beings in various capacities.
By doing so, the living entity enjoys life.
A serves B Master, B serves C Master and so on."


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Asante said:
Give yourself. Jump into the fire. Leap of faith. Walk on water.



:salute:
I can dig it.
"Once a man was about to cross the sea.
Bibhishana wrote Ramas name on a leaf, tied it in a corner of the mans wearing-cloth and said to him: "Don't be afraid, Have faith and walk on the water. But look here- the moment you lose faith you will be drowned."
The man was walking easily on the water. Suddenly he had an intense desire to see what was tied in his cloth.
He opened it and found only a leaf with the name of Rama written on it.
"What is this?" he thought "Just the name of Rama!"
As soon as doubt entered his mind, he sank under the water."


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Honestly, Lithop, if I opened up an engine that Asante had engineered based upon the physics he mentions, I would not know what to do to fix it, but, being open to the fact that it did run before, and could just be a bit out of alignment I would look as see that what was connected to what was still there, close it up respectfully and realize that not all engines are alike.



Affirmative, the point you're making is recieved.
Thanks for putting it like that to help me understand.
:thumbup:
Really it's something I need to think about- more importantly still- put into action, A LOT more often.
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so here you go
realignment from self interest towards awakening.
Vrooom.



I feel you, it's almost as if- shock horror- that YOU knew better what you were trying to say, than I knew what you were trying to say:facepalm3:
Vroom indeed.

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redgreenvines said:
maybe not exactly what others call prayer, but it would work in many situations I might imagine.



You're not wrong.
To close my comment off back on topic a bit, this was seemingly the crux of the bee in my bonnet of yesterday: the idea that success in prayer is something so easily and universally defined.
Successful prayer, in my own personal experience- and this goes for mantra, ritual anything that requires us to take that leap- starts with emotional attunement and bringing that attuned state into use via honest intention and diligent action.
But, well, that's just, like, my opinion, man.
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redgreenvines said:
words can be poor bearers of meaning.



Word to that.
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Re: How to pray successfully [Re: Asante]
    #28433301 - 08/14/23 07:22 AM (5 months, 12 days ago)

It is similar to a quote by John F. Kennedy:

"Ask not what your country can do for you โ€” ask what you can do for your country."

Now, the problem is as follows: To put the state over the individual is called fascism.
If the state has any purpose - and I do not think it has any purpose at all - but, if, for the
moment, we accept that it has a purpose, then that purpose is to serve the people.

And so it is with God.


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Re: How to pray successfully [Re: AnattaAtman]
    #28434301 - 08/14/23 08:18 PM (5 months, 11 days ago)









the realization that your community thriving is in your selfinterest is not fascism, its absence is what is destroying everything.

The God damned absence of any care of the rich for the poor is what will drive the US to a zombie apoalypse, not "socialism"





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Re: How to pray successfully [Re: Asante] * 1
    #28434623 - 08/15/23 06:07 AM (5 months, 11 days ago)

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Asante said:
the realization that your community thriving is in your selfinterest is not fascism, its absence is what is destroying everything.





Community, yes, but not your country. Countries are arbitrary constructs: Someone drew a line
in the sand and said this is the border. Afterwards, people were willing to kill and die for
that strange idea. Where there are nations, there is also nationalism. It is only a small step
from there to fascism.


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Re: How to pray successfully [Re: AnattaAtman]
    #28435703 - 08/16/23 06:03 AM (5 months, 10 days ago)

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Quote:

Asante said:
the realization that your community thriving is in your selfinterest is not fascism, its absence is what is destroying everything.





Community, yes, but not your country. Countries are arbitrary constructs: Someone drew a line
in the sand and said this is the border. Afterwards, people were willing to kill and die for
that strange idea. Where there are nations, there is also nationalism. It is only a small step
from there to fascism.



'
nationalism is bad because its a distintion only serving the elite. the people never benefitted from national subdivisions.


please note that my slogan il Luganda emphasizes that helping the community rise IS your greater selfinterest.

Thats another crucial departure from fascism.

Our misunderstanding is wanting to rule the ruins, to be ruler at the expense of the others, nature included, instead of rise together, a; humanity and al, of nature together.

THAT is stewardship of the world as the bible says God wants of us.

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Stewardship is an ethical value that embodies the responsible planning and management of resources. The concepts of stewardship can be applied to the environment and nature, economics, health, places, property, information, theology, and cultural resources.




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Re: How to pray successfully [Re: Asante]
    #28438246 - 08/18/23 02:10 PM (5 months, 7 days ago)

For populations larger than 10000 you need a lot of bureaucracy to make sure nobody gets left out of the benefits of a society.

nation states can be justified as the local limits for the bureaucracy (such that rural adjuncts to population centers are included in the social benefits), but they are used instead to exclude and oppress more often than not.


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Re: How to pray successfully [Re: redgreenvines]
    #28439638 - 08/19/23 05:59 PM (5 months, 6 days ago)

I acknowledge that the following is highly, politically incorrect. Nobody needs to help me with realizing it --

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Prov 30 said
For three things the earth is disquieted, and for four which it cannot bear: For a servant when he reigneth; and a fool when he is filled with meat; For an odious woman when she is married; and an handmaid that is heir to her mistress.




I think that politics of the Enlightenment and cultural Marxism have imposed the concept of free will upon the Bible, which nowhere says that success in nature or in business is dependent on victimhood naratives or on pop psychology.


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Re: How to pray successfully [Re: durian_2008]
    #28439643 - 08/19/23 06:05 PM (5 months, 6 days ago)

Professionals dealing with physical pain and grief use the term, modality, to describe an alternative frame of mind. A high from a drug or distraction in the form of a video game might be considered modalities. Maybe, you LARP or read about a fictional universe in the coloring book.

Whether or not you take the Bible literally or consider it applicable to modern times, as an extremist, I would say that it's a modality completely different from woke-ist, post-modern thinking.

We might read it to take a mental break from the world as we know it.


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