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solarshroomster
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Have you been shpongled before? 1
#28430848 - 08/12/23 11:08 AM (5 months, 13 days ago) |
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redgreenvines said:
the psychedelic experience which can be obtained by smoking weed or many other ways basically keeps any sensation or idea active a tiny bit longer than usual (1/10th of a second is the normal flash time of activity for neurons) - when you are really stoned you can be immersed in sensations and or ideas that would have faded away 1 2 and 3 seconds ago, and that means everything becomes layered (frame stacking) - seeming to extend and unpack into other dimensions, and that also means that the sense of time passing is no longer determine-able and that makes a second last for eternity, or an hour pass in a flicker, or time can jump or even go backwards.
as for voices and spirits, they are always in you, they are you.
enjoy.


And with that, redgreenvines, just opened up a whole new dimension.
Yes, that was the experience I had. I felt like I was being "layered" into multiple different realities. It felt like time was a concept constructed by the mind to pattern the world, and I could see it being patterned in a different way. Lots of different interpretations you can go with this experience.
Absolutely incredible, but I can analyze this piece of writing by redgreenvines as well. I like how it ends with a simple paragraph with one word, "enjoy". While on the surface, this choice of writing understates the gravity of the experience being described (one can go on for paragraphs, books, talking about it), it takes on a secondary meaning by implication -- we are to appreciate life's wonders without knowing exactly how or why, and that is enough (and hence, the lack of a need for elaboration beyond one word). Wow!
Apparently, there may be a term to describe what redgreenvines was talking about called, "shpongled". I like this term, and I think it's an appropriate term for psychonauts to now use openly in their writings on the psychedelic experience.
If we are to ever describe the psychedelic experience, we will need to "invent" a new vocabulary, a new language. But, I most caution, that this vocabulary will need to meet the ineffable at its source and thus itself can't be "described". It will need to point through the source by implication, through a secondary, allegorical meaning.
So, when we use the term "shpongled", we are describing a literal psychedelic effect, but we also imply something much greater than that. Writes redgreenvines, being shpongled leads us "seeming to extend and unpack into other dimensions, and that also means that the sense of time passing is no longer determine-able and that makes a second last for eternity, or an hour pass in a flicker, or time can jump or even go backwards."
In other words, we are now encouraged to think beyond our usual notions of space & time. This requires an appreciation of the ineffable and transcendent, to think beyond our normal ways of looking at things. So, thus, while the term and meaning behind being "shpongled" might convey a very elementary psychedelic effect, it points to something much larger... an ineffable odyssey into the divine mystery of existence.
Poetry aside, we can see that the world is arranged through patterns. Pareidolia, another common psychedelic effect, where we see "faces" inside ordinary objects, is a classic example. Basically, our minds -- as elements of Reality -- are of a pattern-recognizing universal force. By translation, Reality itself is pattern-recognizing, and, in the process, "constructs" realities, ie. the multiverse.
enjoy.
-------------------- Chopin in Eternal Sonata: "I believe that I am somehow being tested. That I am on this journey to come to some realization. And in order to do so, I think I’m supposed to live my life to the fullest, even if it is in this muddled world of dream and reality."
Edited by solarshroomster (08/12/23 11:15 AM)
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Ineffible grandeur examined by allegory...
"Blinded by the light" could underscore the pitfall of wholeheartedly accepting allegory as truth.
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Re: Have you been shpongled before? [Re: Lithop]
#28431526 - 08/12/23 08:35 PM (5 months, 13 days ago) |
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It proves asynchronous time.
-------------------- Chopin in Eternal Sonata: "I believe that I am somehow being tested. That I am on this journey to come to some realization. And in order to do so, I think I’m supposed to live my life to the fullest, even if it is in this muddled world of dream and reality."
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Buster_Brown said: Ineffible grandeur examined by allegory...
"Blinded by the light" could underscore the pitfall of wholeheartedly accepting allegory as truth.
 Spot on Buster. We all ought to invest in a pair of good shades. Just in case.
Damn if that song doesn't make me wanna do a medium-sizedunspecified sized rail of MDMA off the back of a pack of Lambert & Butler...
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solarshroomster said: It proves asynchronous time.
Asynchronous time, or a SPACE synchronous time? Proves?? IT?!?!?
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Re: Have you been shpongled before? [Re: Lithop]
#28432058 - 08/13/23 09:22 AM (5 months, 12 days ago) |
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Buster_Brown said: Ineffible grandeur examined by allegory...
"Blinded by the light" could underscore the pitfall of wholeheartedly accepting allegory as truth.
 Spot on Buster. We all ought to invest in a pair of good shades. Just in case.
Damn if that song doesn't make me wanna do a medium-sizedunspecified sized rail of MDMA off the back of a pack of Lambert & Butler...
Yeah, I pretty much agree. I've said it before, but it sounds like you guys are wise beyond your years. Not that I'm old, I'm still 31, but... yeah, I don't know, I just find what you say to be so wise.
Also, I love how that music video has a British-sounding singer, I f'ing love that! Being from the United States, this immediately stood out to me as "foreign", and all I can say is... right on! It just shows how diverse and incredible this world is. When you just look outside your rabbit hole, more can be seen...
Do you know what I'm saying?
I'm not entirely sure what you're getting at with "space synchronous time", but it sounds trippy, so I like it!
-------------------- Chopin in Eternal Sonata: "I believe that I am somehow being tested. That I am on this journey to come to some realization. And in order to do so, I think I’m supposed to live my life to the fullest, even if it is in this muddled world of dream and reality."
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solarshroomster said: Yeah, I pretty much agree. I've said it before, but it sounds like you guys are wise beyond your years. Not that I'm old, I'm still 31, but... yeah, I don't know, I just find what you say to be so wise.
I suppose it boils down to: talk enough and some of it might mean something to someone 
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solarshroomster said: Also, I love how that music video has a British-sounding singer, I f'ing love that! Being from the United States, this immediately stood out to me as "foreign", and all I can say is... right on! It just shows how diverse and incredible this world is.
Yeah, it's a jam. Spoiler alert bro, Mike Skinner IS British.

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solarshroomster said: When you just look outside your rabbit hole, more can be seen...
Do you know what I'm saying?
That our personal beliefs, thought and opinions don't represent the totality of thoughts, beliefs and opinions?
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solarshroomster said: I'm not entirely sure what you're getting at with "space synchronous time", but it sounds trippy, so I like it!
Hehe, by SPACE-synchronus time, there was no 'deep' or trippy meaning intended lol. I was questioning whether you mean the word ASYNCHRONOUS or if you meant A *space*(Ie the gap between the words) SYNCHRONOUS as in, the opposite of the former. But I'm happy you liked it mate.
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Re: Have you been shpongled before? [Re: Lithop]
#28432426 - 08/13/23 02:09 PM (5 months, 12 days ago) |
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sometimes during very strong trips there are disturbing time skips. you reach for a cup, the cup is in your hand, but you didn't experience the motion necessary for you to be holding it.
maybe perception was so concentrated at a particular point in time it became stuck, then reloaded and catched up with the present moment leaving a gap behind, inexperienced. at times it's like going back and forth between past and future while a void encroaches bits of the present.
i experienced that at least twice. not enjoyable. i keep asking myself how was i in control during those gaps, when i wasn't conscious. i figure i was, but can't remember it, and it was basically a series of mini-blackouts. another reasonable explanation is that the loss of consciousness was too short for the physical body to collapse, although it felt much longer, but it doesn't explain a bunch of other things. it really leaves you scratching your head.
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