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AnattaAtman
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Evolution or Revolution?
#28430776 - 08/12/23 10:23 AM (5 months, 13 days ago) |
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How do we change society? Away from materialism, towards a more spiritual paradigm?
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AnattaAtman
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Re: Evolution or Revolution? [Re: AnattaAtman]
#28430789 - 08/12/23 10:30 AM (5 months, 13 days ago) |
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AnattaAtman said: How do we change society? Away from materialism, towards a more spiritual paradigm?
Probably it is enough to spread the word about the mystical power of the mushroom.
Blue Cthulhu said in this thread that the next stage of human evolution occurs when 144,000 people gain enlightenment. That makes me wonder: What happens if 5% of the overall population have a psychedelic experience? Perhaps that is enough for a change in mass consciousness.
We tried it in the sixties with LSD. For a moment, it actually seemed like we would win.
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Re: Evolution or Revolution? [Re: AnattaAtman]
#28430813 - 08/12/23 10:44 AM (5 months, 13 days ago) |
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The sparcity of science prooving spirituality raises the possibility of conspiracy against it.
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Buster_Brown
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A conspiracy upheld by judges and authority.
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syncro
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It is enough to do it in the mind imo. It sounds lacking in the world, but where else would lack be but the mind, and what better than a whole mind to influence the world?
People must choose for themselves, and when they are ready, it will appear.
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Re: Evolution or Revolution? [Re: syncro]
#28430876 - 08/12/23 11:39 AM (5 months, 13 days ago) |
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Try to enjoy the trip because no one knows for sure what happens when it ends just lots of different opinions. But beware those who try to sell you a place in heaven and threaten you with hell if you don't agree in other words all religions.
Smoking a joint enjoying life, does that mean god loves me or does it mean I have figured out how to make my life enjoyable? The answer is just conceptual semantics in other words your opinion.
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Re: Evolution or Revolution? [Re: syncro] 1
#28430897 - 08/12/23 11:58 AM (5 months, 13 days ago) |
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syncro said: It is enough to do it in the mind imo. It sounds lacking in the world, but where else would lack be but the mind, and what better than a whole mind to influence the world?
People must choose for themselves, and when they are ready, it will appear.
Give Chaos it's due and a 'Whole mind' may not have access to the arithmetic of the equation.
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syncro
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I suppose the reply is in the last sentence of my post. Not saying you're not choosing, but people must. They gain themselves one at a time as it were.
And how can they without facing chaos? It goes again to the idea of spiritual bypassing. No one bypasses falsely.
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Re: Evolution or Revolution? [Re: syncro]
#28430963 - 08/12/23 01:09 PM (5 months, 13 days ago) |
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Chaos can be desirable as opponent in defying an undesirable sequencial product of calculation perhaps.
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Buster_Brown
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Player# 2. Your opponent across the table responds to your calculation with a Chaos card. What is your next move?
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syncro
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^ I guess this works for both posts. For the purpose I'm seeing it, and it doesn't need to be, as shadow, suffering, our hang ups and BS, undesired effects.
Is an influence seeking usurpation and to do damage, an opponent? Sometimes? If cleaning up an old structure, and there are ornery poisonous vipers within, what are they in that process? There can also be ideas of empathy and healing for them, or in that case, at least trying to remove them without harming.
Are hateful and other damaging thoughts, opponents? It depends on the mood and what is found to be effective. Who doesn't want to neutralize or heal them in some way or another?
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Buster_Brown
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Buster_Brown said: Player# 2. Your opponent across the table responds to your calculation with a Chaos card. What is your next move?
I wonder if AI will have insightful remarks.
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syncro
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It talks about knowing the rules of the game to play it, which are not specified here, strategy, etc.
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Re: Evolution or Revolution? [Re: syncro]
#28431420 - 08/12/23 06:36 PM (5 months, 13 days ago) |
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Yes, we would have to reveal the game.
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Svetaketu
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Re: Evolution or Revolution? [Re: AnattaAtman]
#28431447 - 08/12/23 07:10 PM (5 months, 13 days ago) |
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AnattaAtman said:
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AnattaAtman said: How do we change society? Away from materialism, towards a more spiritual paradigm?
Probably it is enough to spread the word about the mystical power of the mushroom.
Blue Cthulhu said in this thread that the next stage of human evolution occurs when 144,000 people gain enlightenment. That makes me wonder: What happens if 5% of the overall population have a psychedelic experience? Perhaps that is enough for a change in mass consciousness.
We tried it in the sixties with LSD. For a moment, it actually seemed like we would win.
So what went wrong in the sixties? A bunch of people tried psychedelic, they seemed to think they became enlightened, and would be able to create a better world though this spiritual enlightenment. So what went wrong?
Has less than 5% of the population tired psychedelics? Maybe I'm hanging with the wrong crowd, but it seems like a whole lot more than that already.
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Re: Evolution or Revolution? [Re: Svetaketu]
#28431728 - 08/12/23 10:38 PM (5 months, 13 days ago) |
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Svetaketu said: So what went wrong in the sixties? A bunch of people tried psychedelic, they seemed to think they became enlightened, and would be able to create a better world though this spiritual enlightenment.
I do not think it was just about drugs and fake enlightenment. It was about creating a counter culture, with free love and no war. Wikipedia says:
"For the historian of the anarchist movement Ronald Creagh, the hippie movement could be considered as the last spectacular resurgence of utopian socialism. For Creagh, a characteristic of this is the desire for the transformation of society not through political revolution, or through reformist action pushed forward by the state, but through the creation of a counter-society of a socialist character in the midst of the current system, which will be made up of ideal communities of a more or less libertarian social form."
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Has less than 5% of the population tired psychedelics? Maybe I'm hanging with the wrong crowd, but it seems like a whole lot more than that already.
Weed, yes. LSD or mushrooms, I'm not sure.
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Re: Evolution or Revolution? [Re: AnattaAtman] 1
#28432853 - 08/13/23 08:15 PM (5 months, 12 days ago) |
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If you can change yourself, then you can share what you have managed, and others may use that to change themselves too. forced change always has forced resistance.
these days there are many ways to share that are new. so first we have to fix the hole we are in on a personal level.
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