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Is this a normal experience on weed? 1
#28429445 - 08/11/23 07:32 AM (5 months, 15 days ago) |
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Okay, I don't think I am having normal experiences from vaping weed. I wrote the below earlier, but it was buried in a thread. And last night, a similar enough experience happened again, so I can see that I wasn't just making it up. This last trip was the most incredible, each trip just gets more incredible than the last. And the experience, to be clear, is even more incredible... even more incredible... than what I can describe.
I am posting in the Spirituality & Mysticism forum, because I'm looking for that perspective.
Am I having normal experiences from vaping weed?
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My Experience
I vaped two bowls of THC 19% last night (all in: one large bud). Is it normal to have Reality start subliminally communicating messages to you and that the concept of time loses all meaning? My music video winked out and started communicating universal truths to me. I feel like I need to make up things to even describe it... you sort of just need to be there to appreciate it.
Your life becomes unreal and you wake up from the dream into another reality. It becomes apparent that the Self and world are (constructed), and that there are perhaps infinite states of consciousness, all existing and forming Reality. Everything just feels so organic and so true and honest?
Like, that post above about sharing poetry, even if it doesn't mean something to the next person. It can still have a profound amount of meaning to the person, and those meanings create worlds. I don't know... I just got the sense that I'm perceiving a new universal force of the world, that's "fifth dimensional" in the sense that it extends from spacetime "outwards' into a new unseen realm. This fifth dimension could be meaning, and it is how the universe evolves beyond space & time.
Basically, in short, I feel like I've been to the edge of the universe and back. I saw it formed, saw it deform, and saw it recreate itself again as I returned?
Is this a normal reaction?
I'm kind of confused what people are experiencing on weed. I honestly can't imagine it getting any more intense, each trip seems to be more profound than the last. I was dancing, singing. I kept rotating around my room. And I kept experiencing the ineffable secrets behind existence. Easily ranks as the most important discovery of my life. I was gone for 8 hours, and I had to "turn it off" at that point in order to return. This happens basically every time I vape weed.
-------------------- Chopin in Eternal Sonata: "I believe that I am somehow being tested. That I am on this journey to come to some realization. And in order to do so, I think I’m supposed to live my life to the fullest, even if it is in this muddled world of dream and reality."
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What strain are you using? Although I'm in a quitting attempt phase, my thought is as before, I want some of what you're having.
I get good and not so good results from weed, but not like that.
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Sounds like what happens to me on ketamine.
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Re: Is this a normal experience on weed? [Re: Holybullshit] 1
#28429614 - 08/11/23 09:56 AM (5 months, 14 days ago) |
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I'm using something called "Cinderella XX". I have another strain that's 30% THC, but the 19% seems to be more than sufficient, lol. I just PM'd you and another person part of my experience, so you can get another flavor of what is going on. If anyone else is interested in it, just please let me know, and I may send when I stabilize a bit more.
In any event, a lot more happened than what I described in the first post, but that was a taste. I was gone for 8 hours. And this flash of insight was probably the equivalent to maybe a few seconds of being gone. Generally, facets of existence come together to form a story that reveals something ineffable about the nature of existence. It feels sort of like life is a video game or simulation. That we are all streamed experiences from the creator.
So, in my other posts, when I write about "I don't understand how this was kept a secret", I'm genuinely confused. I seem to definitely be reliably experiencing something I can't explain when I vape weed. What happens is that "spiritual amnesia" washes over me, and I return to old habits and forget. My mystery is finding out why I constantly revert to spiritual amnesia after getting off the drugs. This is like the "million dollar question" for me. I think I've annoyed some people by asking it so many times here, but it's a very genuine question for me... and I struggle not wanting to ask it several more times.
Holybullshit, thanks for your comment. I haven't tried ketamine but I hope to some day.
Can anyone else comment if this is a normal experience on weed?
-------------------- Chopin in Eternal Sonata: "I believe that I am somehow being tested. That I am on this journey to come to some realization. And in order to do so, I think I’m supposed to live my life to the fullest, even if it is in this muddled world of dream and reality."
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solarshroomster said:
Can anyone else comment if this is a normal experience on weed?
Sorry but what your experiencing is not within the normal effects of cannabis.
Started using cannabis in 82 have been growing my own since 88 and have smoked with a lot of people none have had 8 hour trips.
While cannabis does not cause metal illness it does trigger it in some people. And from the time duration and effects your describing it is the cause of your extreme reaction.
I hope you live in Canada or have insurance please go see a doctor they can help in finding the cause of your extreme reactions to cannabis and other drugs.
BTW your a very nice and positive person I hope you find the answers or help that your after!
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solarshroomster said: ... Is it normal to have Reality start subliminally communicating messages to you and that the concept of time loses all meaning? My music video winked out and started communicating universal truths to me. I feel like I need to make up things to even describe it... you sort of just need to be there to appreciate it. ....
sorry - I do not do spirituality and mysticism much, but what you speak of is normal and does lead one to imagine that things are 5 dimensional and full of spirits.
the psychedelic experience which can be obtained by smoking weed or many other ways basically keeps any sensation or idea active a tiny bit longer than usual (1/10th of a second is the normal flash time of activity for neurons) - when you are really stoned you can be immersed in sensations and or ideas that would have faded away 1 2 and 3 seconds ago, and that means everything becomes layered (frame stacking) - seeming to extend and unpack into other dimensions, and that also means that the sense of time passing is no longer determine-able and that makes a second last for eternity, or an hour pass in a flicker, or time can jump or even go backwards.
as for voices and spirits, they are always in you, they are you.
enjoy.
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Re: Is this a normal experience on weed? [Re: redgreenvines]
#28429703 - 08/11/23 11:16 AM (5 months, 14 days ago) |
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redgreenvines said:
the psychedelic experience which can be obtained by smoking weed or many other ways basically keeps any sensation or idea active a tiny bit longer than usual (1/10th of a second is the normal flash time of activity for neurons) - when you are really stoned you can be immersed in sensations and or ideas that would have faded away 1 2 and 3 seconds ago, and that means everything becomes layered (frame stacking) - seeming to extend and unpack into other dimensions, and that also means that the sense of time passing is no longer determine-able and that makes a second last for eternity, or an hour pass in a flicker, or time can jump or even go backwards.
as for voices and spirits, they are always in you, they are you.
enjoy.
Thank you redgreenvines!!!!! 
What you described was exactly my experience last night. In fact, at one point, I even called out how I felt I was being "layered"!!!!!!!
I had no idea this was a phenomenon!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
-------------------- Chopin in Eternal Sonata: "I believe that I am somehow being tested. That I am on this journey to come to some realization. And in order to do so, I think I’m supposed to live my life to the fullest, even if it is in this muddled world of dream and reality."
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I'm not judgy about weed or mystical experiences. You are prone to this sort of thing, afaic.
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Re: Is this a normal experience on weed? [Re: durian_2008]
#28436448 - 08/16/23 07:59 PM (5 months, 9 days ago) |
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I don't know. Everything just "makes sense".
-------------------- Chopin in Eternal Sonata: "I believe that I am somehow being tested. That I am on this journey to come to some realization. And in order to do so, I think I’m supposed to live my life to the fullest, even if it is in this muddled world of dream and reality."
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Holographic mind projection theory.
-------------------- Chopin in Eternal Sonata: "I believe that I am somehow being tested. That I am on this journey to come to some realization. And in order to do so, I think I’m supposed to live my life to the fullest, even if it is in this muddled world of dream and reality."
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I can confirm this happened again. Okay, I'm done seeking reassurance.
-------------------- Chopin in Eternal Sonata: "I believe that I am somehow being tested. That I am on this journey to come to some realization. And in order to do so, I think I’m supposed to live my life to the fullest, even if it is in this muddled world of dream and reality."
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What do you think gives more paranoia..?
Weed or mushrooms?
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Re: Is this a normal experience on weed? [Re: BrendanFlock]
#28439097 - 08/19/23 10:05 AM (5 months, 6 days ago) |
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I have had experiences like that on weed. I've had experiences like I had a glimpse of the whole truth of the universe. I thought that everything was made up of bricks in a sense, pieces, and I could understand every piece and thus the whole universe, as the goal was of all the ancient philosophers. I thought I had the full puzzle and the answer in my head for that night.
And years later, I became a hardcore cannabis addict.
For me, weed causes MORE INTENSE experiences than psychedelics - unless I were to really push the dose of psychs. I feel intense feelings of dissociation. I haven't had any messages explicitly communicated to me - but I've sometimes felt like I was being communicated to stop what I'm doing, and I sometimes hear my own voice communicated to me. It's not the biggest concern since I maintain lucidity during these moments and can recognize it was false - however, it's definitely a little concerning... I don't hallucinate in regular situations and am not schizophrenic. It is, simply put, like becomming a temporary schizphrenic, like temporarily losing full control over my mind.
The main problem I've had is feeling the sensations of my body too intensly, so that it causes a sort of pain - like I'm completely in my own body and it's heavy and weighing me down.
I think if you have an experience like the one you describe and then come back to normal, you'll be fine. The problem with weed though is, you develop tolerance but not *that* much. And so if you develop a problem with overusing it, you redose and experience it all over again, not giving your brain time to reset to normality, and that's where it might be able to cause some persistent negative effects. It'd throw off your sense of reality since you can never return to reality in the first place between experiences.
My advice is: IF you get this kind of experience from weed, you should treat it with the utmost respect. You should treat it like psychedelics, since it is, and don't dose again until you have fully integrated the experience from last time - and that can take weeks.
When I tried to use weed as a spiritual tool, it was alright. Problems arose when I tried to develop a tolerance and turn it into an everyday thing. It seemed to have all of the side-effects and none of the spiritual benefit. My advice to you is, don't become a weedhead. If you abuse it, it will stop showing you the universe, but it can still harm. Treat it like a really powerful drug, since it is for you, and wait a week and then take a small dose and see how it goes.
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#28439100 - 08/19/23 10:10 AM (5 months, 6 days ago) |
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Confirmed, it happened (again).
I'm not sure which gives more paranoia, but I've often felt that paranoia is a near-portal into another world when used in a healthy way (although, it can become very unhealthy, when used poorly, as it leads to cognitive dissonance). When used properly, it's like the world is seen as patterns and starts making sense. The Divine guides you to love, where all is eternal.
Frog Pond Plop!
Each is a world.
We have a "noun" "me". The thing that is itself. To be a frog.
Then we have "noun" "it". The world outside. The location of a pond, but not the pond itself.
Finally, we have "verb", "plop!" World as action. To land on a lillipod.
And so Reality exists in three different forms: inner, outer, and the action between the two.
The world is a pattern-recognizing universal force that creates worlds, evolving through meaning. Paranoia is a chaotic attempt to "make sense" out of it, waiting for true enlightenment to dawn!
-------------------- Chopin in Eternal Sonata: "I believe that I am somehow being tested. That I am on this journey to come to some realization. And in order to do so, I think I’m supposed to live my life to the fullest, even if it is in this muddled world of dream and reality."
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Re: Is this a normal experience on weed? [Re: CreonAntigone]
#28439162 - 08/19/23 11:02 AM (5 months, 6 days ago) |
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CreonAntigone said: I have had experiences like that on weed. I've had experiences like I had a glimpse of the whole truth of the universe. I thought that everything was made up of bricks in a sense, pieces, and I could understand every piece and thus the whole universe, as the goal was of all the ancient philosophers. I thought I had the full puzzle and the answer in my head for that night.
And years later, I became a hardcore cannabis addict.
For me, weed causes MORE INTENSE experiences than psychedelics - unless I were to really push the dose of psychs. I feel intense feelings of dissociation. I haven't had any messages explicitly communicated to me - but I've sometimes felt like I was being communicated to stop what I'm doing, and I sometimes hear my own voice communicated to me. It's not the biggest concern since I maintain lucidity during these moments and can recognize it was false - however, it's definitely a little concerning... I don't hallucinate in regular situations and am not schizophrenic. It is, simply put, like becomming a temporary schizphrenic, like temporarily losing full control over my mind.
The main problem I've had is feeling the sensations of my body too intensly, so that it causes a sort of pain - like I'm completely in my own body and it's heavy and weighing me down.
I think if you have an experience like the one you describe and then come back to normal, you'll be fine. The problem with weed though is, you develop tolerance but not *that* much. And so if you develop a problem with overusing it, you redose and experience it all over again, not giving your brain time to reset to normality, and that's where it might be able to cause some persistent negative effects. It'd throw off your sense of reality since you can never return to reality in the first place between experiences.
My advice is: IF you get this kind of experience from weed, you should treat it with the utmost respect. You should treat it like psychedelics, since it is, and don't dose again until you have fully integrated the experience from last time - and that can take weeks.
When I tried to use weed as a spiritual tool, it was alright. Problems arose when I tried to develop a tolerance and turn it into an everyday thing. It seemed to have all of the side-effects and none of the spiritual benefit. My advice to you is, don't become a weedhead. If you abuse it, it will stop showing you the universe, but it can still harm. Treat it like a really powerful drug, since it is for you, and wait a week and then take a small dose and see how it goes.
CreonAntigone, I'm embarrassed to admit this, but your post brought tears to my eyes! Thank you!
All this is so new to me, but I know exactly what you are talking about it, and it is exactly what I needed to read.
So, yeah, a few things. I definitely do get really intense "trips" from smoking weed. Since I posted this, I've been struggling with what you mentioned - the desire to "see" more and more and more and more and more. I think I "tripped" 3 times on weed after writing this post... so I'm tripping like twice a week on weed.
Anyhow, each time I trip on weed, I'm gone for 7 hours. I was "gone" for 7 hours last night.
It was exactly as you described:
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I've had experiences like I had a glimpse of the whole truth of the universe. I thought that everything was made up of bricks in a sense, pieces, and I could understand every piece and thus the whole universe, as the goal was of all the ancient philosophers. I thought I had the full puzzle and the answer in my head for that night.
That's pretty much like it. Only everything is seen at "one go", and more is known that can be told, it's all very ineffable. You're so sure you've glimpsed the "ultimate secret" and that this new understanding cannot be lost, but as soon as you wake up or "return", all is forgotten (that seems to be your later point about "returning").
I'll get that understanding in a one second flash (except, there's not time, as time is now understood to be like a pattern-recognizing universal force of Reality that "constructs" events into stories). My life becomes "shpongled" (see other post), and I see life events "layer" onto one another. I myself become "layered". It's like each time slice of life stacks on top of one another and, reassembles itself, to construct a new message from the events in my life. Memories come alive and a string of them together forms a new meaning. Synchronicities too eerie to just dismiss out of hand abound. My dreams are purposely chosen to foretell the revelations that follow. Everything "just aligns" and "makes sense".
I don't know how to describe it, but you seem to definitely be talking about something similar to my experiences -- so thank you! It's good to know I'm not alone here.
And this is weed I'm talking about, not shrooms.
However, if you notice in my posts, I get a quick dose of "spiritual amnesia", where I instantly forget my revelations after "returning". So, I would argue that I return to ordinary reality pretty dramatically after I wake up. All is generally forgotten (even if I think I've recalled it, I haven't).
So, bearing in mind I have these really intense experiences that I then quickly forget about through spiritual amnesia, how often should I be tripping on weed? You mention once a week? I've notice twice a week, and I have this incredible sensation of floating in my bed, where all "makes sense" again.
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I said wait a week out of anticipation that it may be hard for you to stop your habit just like that. However, if you reach such spiritual highs, once a month or less is ideal.
The idea is to not be impacted by weed most of the time - be able to reflect on the experience. You will gain far more reflecting on the experience after-the-fact than you will during the experience.
I know that drugs can be very enticing, so that you may not be persuaded by me. It may seem like it's better to keep going back to that place where all pain seems to go away. But the more you do it on a regular basis, the less you'll feel - the less you'll learn. That's my lesson I'd impart to you.
I'd say you should do it once a month, sometimes lower doses, and write down everything you learn and have the fortitude and will to not pick it up again until exactly a month later. If you can do that, you can develop internal strength.
If you are truly 'gone' during your weed experiences, as I've been, you won't benefit from it the day after or the day after that. You need to think about and process the experience fully because you go again - that can take a month.
The advice I give to you may not apply to all weed users. But if you feel you see 'the ultimate' on weed, you need to protect such experiences.
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Re: Is this a normal experience on weed? [Re: CreonAntigone]
#28439368 - 08/19/23 02:22 PM (5 months, 6 days ago) |
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CreonAntigone said: I said wait a week out of anticipation that it may be hard for you to stop your habit just like that. However, if you reach such spiritual highs, once a month or less is ideal.
The idea is to not be impacted by weed most of the time - be able to reflect on the experience. You will gain far more reflecting on the experience after-the-fact than you will during the experience.
I know that drugs can be very enticing, so that you may not be persuaded by me. It may seem like it's better to keep going back to that place where all pain seems to go away. But the more you do it on a regular basis, the less you'll feel - the less you'll learn. That's my lesson I'd impart to you.
I'd say you should do it once a month, sometimes lower doses, and write down everything you learn and have the fortitude and will to not pick it up again until exactly a month later. If you can do that, you can develop internal strength.
If you are truly 'gone' during your weed experiences, as I've been, you won't benefit from it the day after or the day after that. You need to think about and process the experience fully because you go again - that can take a month.
The advice I give to you may not apply to all weed users. But if you feel you see 'the ultimate' on weed, you need to protect such experiences.
This feels like excellent advice. I received a message that I shouldn't be doing this as much as I am, but, then again, every weed trip does seem to be more profound than the last. I totally get what you're saying when you mention that tolerance doesn't build up *that* much with weed, or at least, it builds in a way that doesn't make you want to stop.
I like your idea of starting with only going for once a week and then increasing to once a month. Though I think once a month may be too little for my liking. Probably once every other week makes more sense for a goal. I thoroughly enjoy "seeing" the Divine.
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I don't want to burn out on anything too hard, just think this is the way my well-rested brain would tend to work with less stress and inflammation. You can probably see the divine in every sleep cycle, if you have one, and in emotional states, imho.
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Once every two weeks is quite healthy too. I just strongly don't recommend every day, or anything 'regular'. That may work for some people, but if weed trips you out to this extent, it wouldn't work for you.
The thing of it is, your spiritual amensia is not helped by the drugs themselves. Since they make it easy, they don't require any work. They'll take you to that place with no effort. But when you come down again, you'll forget it all the same.
Where you fix the amnesia is during sobriety, by designing techniques of reminding one's self of the feeling - they'd be meditation properly speaking, though you don't have to do anything typically associated with meditation. All you need is a method of reminding yourself, to try to go back to that place and remember what it meant to you. This takes work - it's a type of exercise.
If you use drugs too much, you will never exercise your spiritual faculties. It's comparable to the person who uses too much steroids - you get good results, but at a cost, and it will all go away once the drugs are gone. Drugs, when used as entheogens, are like spiritual steroids, a shortcut to the happiness you seek. That can be just the ticket sometimes, but you'll suffer if it becomes a dependency.
Blindass' post is true, that drugs are one means of finding spirit among others. So it's important not to stigamtize them. At the same time, use them smart and in a way that makes you better - and that's by not becoming dependent on them. Cannabis doesn't create a physical dependence but it sure can create a psychological one. Occasional use can refersh one's experiences when not high - too regular use can make one completely crap when they aren't high, it's like self-handicapping.
If your goal is to end spiritual amnesia, I think you need to develop an independent means of thinking to achieve your goals, perhaps a set of practices. Drugs can be one part of that practice - such as the 'once every 2 weeks' schedule you suggested - but it can't be the only one, as relying on drugs to get you some place means you won't be able to go there on your own.
I'm of the belief that one should use drugs in such a way that, if all drugs were to disappear from the world the next day, the person would still be more enriched in their life from their time using drugs - not sicker, from a withdrawal and a longing. Enrichment, not dependence.
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CreonAntigone- thank you for your beautiful posts.
I'm in the same boat as the OP. Weed is a powerful psychedelic that I probably overuse, or more accurately misuse. I should have better fortitude and limit my use to those special journeys or to when I want to be alone and truly experience music.
OP, you're not alone. I have very profound trips on high thc doses when smoked. I had one lifechanging experience and several smaller ones. Yours sound more immersive an overwhelming than mine, but weed is definitely capable of instigating a potent trip for some people. People usually think I'm crazy when I talk about the effects it has on me, maybe you've had the same reactions. But you're not alone.
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