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    #28427560 - 08/09/23 07:48 PM (5 months, 16 days ago)

A thread to discuss the coup in Niger and potential global implications (to get it out of the Ukraine war thread).  Here is a very good video summarizing the initial impact the coup is already having on the world:



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Re: Coup in Niger [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #28427592 - 08/09/23 08:14 PM (5 months, 16 days ago)

I would just like to take a moment to point out that what happened in Niger is a perfect example of a coup and not what happened in Ukraine at all . I like to educate people too .


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Re: Coup in Niger [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #28427602 - 08/09/23 08:28 PM (5 months, 16 days ago)

I stopped with his first claim.

How did Victoria Nuland help create the war in Ukraine? As an extra bonus, congrats Niger, the US just froze 100 million dollars from you, ya know, 1/5  of the total dollars we give them in a decade.




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Re: Coup in Niger [Re: Psilynut2]
    #28427611 - 08/09/23 08:53 PM (5 months, 16 days ago)

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I would just like to take a moment to point out that what happened in Niger is a perfect example of a coup and not what happened in Ukraine at all . I like to educate people too .



Why is overthrowing a democratically elected leader in Ukraine not a coup?  Educate me!


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Re: Coup in Niger [Re: SirTripAlot]
    #28427615 - 08/09/23 08:54 PM (5 months, 16 days ago)

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I stopped with his first claim.

How did Victoria Nuland help create the war in Ukraine?



By riling up anti-government citizens and determining who we would put in charge before the coup ever happened.


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Re: Coup in Niger [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] * 1
    #28427617 - 08/09/23 08:56 PM (5 months, 16 days ago)

How do you overthrow someone who already voluntarily fled the country?


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Re: Coup in Niger [Re: ballsalsa]
    #28427620 - 08/09/23 08:59 PM (5 months, 16 days ago)

He's coming back little Timmy! He just went out for smokes!


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Re: Coup in Niger [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #28427762 - 08/09/23 11:28 PM (5 months, 15 days ago)

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I stopped with his first claim.

How did Victoria Nuland help create the war in Ukraine?



By riling up anti-government citizens and determining who we would put in charge before the coup ever happened.




On the scale of things, "riling up citizens" vs amassing a military presence on a nation's border...... I don't think it's rocket science to see who created more.


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Re: Coup in Niger [Re: SirTripAlot]
    #28427872 - 08/10/23 01:46 AM (5 months, 15 days ago)

As others have already noted, the coup followed by the civil war against those who wouldn't go along with the coup, is what led to the fighting, which started in 2014, not 2022.


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Re: Coup in Niger [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #28427993 - 08/10/23 05:16 AM (5 months, 15 days ago)

What you call civil war was Russian tanks and unmarked and deigned Russian troops.  Russia had two talking points.  One, those were just soldiers on their own time and a little bit into it, they had to protect Russian speakers.  A little further in, they carried out an illegal annexation of part of Ukraine.  They did part of this by sending soldiers to peoples houses to collect votes so they could call it a democratic thing.  Russia used the same talking point you use, that they were just saving the Russia speaking people. This of course was while and after claiming it wasn't their tank.  Even russia admits some of this after the fact though you hang on to the original propaganda even better then they do.  If Russia stealing part of your country can be considered a civil war, you would have to have the position that the soviet union had never broken up.


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Re: Coup in Niger [Re: gww]
    #28428035 - 08/10/23 06:29 AM (5 months, 15 days ago)

I think niger is an example of possibly Wagner backed influence (and therefore potentially Russian government influenced) of a military hierarchy seeking power…

But I also believe there’s been a popular level of support for a regime change. The deal Niger has had economically was patently ridiculous, let alone their colonial past—something I’m certain those progressive Americans would recognise causes certain long lasting trauma, resentment, not to mention having to start their proverbial race long after the starting gun has gone off.

I digress. I think this move in Niger is geopolitically savvy. Certainly perhaps, nudged by a certain party newly crowned  “the enemy of Putin” by many legacy media; whos mercanaries might in fact be nothing of the sort and still tied to Putin and working directly for the kremlin in a less bloody part of the world.

Koods and co, please don’t quote me out of context. Niger is just a present day example of many former coups and overthrowings perpetrated by forces directly in the employment of the United States. You guys do it, have done it and probably will again. 

I’ll make myself clear: Whether it involves assassinations, training up death squads, arming fanatics, or whether it’s economic strong arming, blackmail or indenture—it is always wrong. The situation in Niger was obviously rigged to make the most from the country to its detriment formerly, and now there’s been a government overthrown, potentially with some background help.

The internationally  elected hypocrites are already throwing pots at kettles in a frenzy.

All that uranium!


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Re: Coup in Niger [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #28428039 - 08/10/23 06:33 AM (5 months, 15 days ago)

that video is bonkers that guy claims putin 'literally' could flip a switch and destroy the american economy by turning off the lights:goodmorning:

where is this literal switch? why is this guy sensationalizing and admitting niger is just a pawn in russias game against the west?

you post the worst videos.


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Re: Coup in Niger [Re: mushboy]
    #28428125 - 08/10/23 07:50 AM (5 months, 15 days ago)

I can't be fucked to watch the video.  Did he explain how Putin has any control over our energy supply?


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Re: Coup in Niger [Re: Enlil]
    #28428133 - 08/10/23 08:00 AM (5 months, 15 days ago)

by shutting down 14% of the total uranium that we import from russia for use in ~18% of our energy. lulz. and i had to look that up he said basically what i quoted. 'putin can literally turn off the economy of america by cutting off refined uranium'. what a clown.

niger is trading one colonial power for another. im sure since russia is the largest refiner of uranium in the world putin will have no problem assisting another market competitor refine uranium to sell so the people of africa can keep the wealth.



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Re: Coup in Niger [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #28428242 - 08/10/23 10:07 AM (5 months, 15 days ago)

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I would just like to take a moment to point out that what happened in Niger is a perfect example of a coup and not what happened in Ukraine at all . I like to educate people too .



Why is overthrowing a democratically elected leader in Ukraine not a coup?  Educate me!



Even if the president of Ukraine was unlawfully removed, which he wasn't, that wouldn't be a coup.  The government remained intact and remained in power.  One person being removed does not a coup make, unless it is an autocracy.


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Re: Coup in Niger [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #28428278 - 08/10/23 10:43 AM (5 months, 15 days ago)

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As others have already noted, the coup followed by the civil war against those who wouldn't go along with the coup, is what led to the fighting, which started in 2014, not 2022.




Homeboy said " helped create the war in Ukraine". Are you assuming he means in past engagements? Did he specify what he was speaking about?

Even if this was noted, a mid level government secretary (or quasi diplomat) having the ability to create anytype  of  substantial conflict, solo or "helped", is ridiculous.


If he provides evidence to back the claim in the video, let me know.


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Re: Coup in Niger [Re: Enlil] * 1
    #28428410 - 08/10/23 01:07 PM (5 months, 15 days ago)

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I stopped with his first claim.

How did Victoria Nuland help create the war in Ukraine? As an extra bonus, congrats Niger, the US just froze 100 million dollars from you, ya know, 1/5  of the total dollars we give them in a decade.








Only someone whom is completely clueless would question Victoria Nuland's very blatant and open involvement in the 2014 coup in Ukraine.

Although to be fair, can't put all the blame on Nuland. The CIA has made it a policy to support the fanatic Nazi groups in Ukraine since the fucking 1950's. They created a fucking Frankenstein monster and now we are witnessing the consequences of 80 years of US support for Nazi groups in Ukraine.

They created a vile, hate-filled monster and now they are fulfilling their one and only purpose, to die on behalf of US imperialism and world domination. Ukraine will fight down to the last Ukrainian and the last Nazi, all for nothing, just to stave off the complete fall of the US Empire for a couple extra years.



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Even if the president of Ukraine was unlawfully removed, which he wasn't, that wouldn't be a coup.  The government remained intact and remained in power.  One person being removed does not a coup make, unless it is an autocracy.




Lol, so now we are rewriting the definition of 'coups' just so you can personally avoid admitting US involvement in the 2014 coup. And let's be honest, it was a violent coup that resulted in hundreds of people dead, followed by a civil war with thousands more dying before Russia even got involved.

The US Neocon-controlled foreign policy blob has its hands covered in Ukrainian blood, they are drowning in blood and you being willfully ignorant of this won't change that.

As for the coup in Niger, Niger has just finally freed itself from hundreds of years of French exploitation, domination, and enslavement at long last. Once they start getting fair prices for their Uranium, people in Niger will have a dramatically improved standard of living. Good for them.

What colonial holdings from centuries past that Europe still holds over Africa should be completely and totally eliminated. It's only right.


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Re: Coup in Niger [Re: chopstick]
    #28428412 - 08/10/23 01:08 PM (5 months, 15 days ago)

There's no evidence the U.S. was involved at all.


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Re: Coup in Niger [Re: gww]
    #28428483 - 08/10/23 01:58 PM (5 months, 15 days ago)

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What you call civil war was Russian tanks and unmarked and deigned Russian troops.
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They did part of this by sending soldiers to peoples houses to collect votes so they could call it a democratic thing.



Can you back these statements up with evidence?


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Re: Coup in Niger [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #28428508 - 08/10/23 02:15 PM (5 months, 15 days ago)

Switching the topic away from Ukraine back to Niger, a top general from Niger, who was one of the most reliable friends of the US military for almost 30 years and went to Washington D.C.'s National Defense University, said this after the US threatened to take funding away from Niger's military following the coup:

"If that is the price to pay for our sovereignty, then let it be."

Watch starting at 9:04...



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Re: Coup in Niger [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] * 1
    #28428605 - 08/10/23 03:20 PM (5 months, 15 days ago)

That’s another good video Falcon 👍 I’ve got a couple things to add about Niger but seeing as Glen Greenwald touched on this in his opening sentence, and it’s the same problem repeating over and over



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    #28428841 - 08/10/23 05:45 PM (5 months, 15 days ago)

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Did he explain how Putin has any control over our energy supply?




  Russian were talking about holding a referendum in Alaska and reclaiming it a few months ago . Maybe they are planning on controlling some of our supply .


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Re: Coup in Niger [Re: mushboy]
    #28428851 - 08/10/23 05:55 PM (5 months, 15 days ago)

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by shutting down 14% of the total uranium that we import from russia for use in ~18% of our energy. lulz. and i had to look that up he said basically what i quoted. 'putin can literally turn off the economy of america by cutting off refined uranium'. what a clown.

niger is trading one colonial power for another. im sure since russia is the largest refiner of uranium in the world putin will have no problem assisting another market competitor refine uranium to sell so the people of africa can keep the wealth.






Canada and Australia have more uranium than the rest of the world combined. I think the US will be fine


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    #28428859 - 08/10/23 05:59 PM (5 months, 15 days ago)

We just made a bunch of uranium on reservation land a national park.  Nobody seems too worried.


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    #28428917 - 08/10/23 06:41 PM (5 months, 15 days ago)

Here’s a map of all the unused uranium mines in the US. There’s one in Baltimore lol



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    #28428939 - 08/10/23 07:03 PM (5 months, 15 days ago)

That’s a lot of uranium. I don’t think we can even use all the uranium we could produce. Curious to see if we start using more nuclear power in the future.


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    #28428977 - 08/10/23 07:23 PM (5 months, 15 days ago)

Despite being the largest atom of any naturally occurring element, and one of the rarest elements in the universe, it is 1000x times more abundant in the earths crust than gold. It’s about as common as lead and by weight more abundant than tin.



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Re: Coup in Niger [Re: koods] * 1
    #28429094 - 08/10/23 08:50 PM (5 months, 15 days ago)

You guys should write to The Washington Post and tell them they're full of shit (see middle bar below):

Uranium Risks Becoming the Next Critical Minerals Crisis



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Nearly three-quarters of nuclear generation happens in Europe, North America, and developed parts of Asia. Rich nations and their allies, however, provide just 19% of the 75,000 metric tons of uranium oxide needed to fuel those reactors each year. China, the former Soviet Union, Iran and Pakistan together accounted for 62% of mined production in 2021. India and traditionally non-aligned countries in Africa produce the remainder.




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Re: Coup in Niger [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #28429137 - 08/10/23 09:27 PM (5 months, 15 days ago)

I used to work in a plant making pipe for oil wells.  We exported most of it cause prices needed to go up for producers to have incentive to drill in America. 

It never bothered me too bad cause my view was that earlier generations making laws that we could not export seemed to me to be saving our resources for a rainy day.  Building pipelines to the coast worried me more as well as changing the export laws as that meant we had changed to burning up our resource. 

I kept thinking, god forbid if we ever did have a world war, we might end up like Germany in the second world war when their populace was reduced to making wood gasifiers just to get around and were dyeing from toxic fumes when they parked in their garages.  I can see both sides but also think some history might not be forgotten while we move along. Their war effort was stifled (Thankfully) to lack of stuff that would move their war machines.


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    #28429142 - 08/10/23 09:34 PM (5 months, 15 days ago)

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You guys should write to The Washington Post and tell them they're full of shit (see middle bar below):

Uranium Risks Becoming the Next Critical Minerals Crisis



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Nearly three-quarters of nuclear generation happens in Europe, North America, and developed parts of Asia. Rich nations and their allies, however, provide just 19% of the 75,000 metric tons of uranium oxide needed to fuel those reactors each year. China, the former Soviet Union, Iran and Pakistan together accounted for 62% of mined production in 2021. India and traditionally non-aligned countries in Africa produce the remainder.







The reason American uranium production shut down in the 80s is because uranium prices cratered. It’s not a rare resource.


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Re: Coup in Niger [Re: koods]
    #28429560 - 08/11/23 09:07 AM (5 months, 14 days ago)

It won’t make sense to use nuclear power until oil and natural gas prices make it necessary.

I have a feeling if the Arab League continues pushing the US away we’ll just do a Green New Deal with alternative sources and let the entire Middle East crumble. These gulf monarchies are all on borrowed time.


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Re: Coup in Niger [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #28429884 - 08/11/23 02:39 PM (5 months, 14 days ago)

But China and India each purchase more oil from the Middle East than the US does.  :shrug:


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    #28429897 - 08/11/23 02:53 PM (5 months, 14 days ago)

Good point.


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    #28429942 - 08/11/23 03:38 PM (5 months, 14 days ago)

But china might be ahead of us on alternate power.


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Re: Coup in Niger [Re: gww]
    #28429982 - 08/11/23 04:50 PM (5 months, 14 days ago)

Here's an absolutely hilarious video (based on the reaction of the host being addressed) of a speech at the U.N. Food Systems Pre-Summit on 27 Jul 21 about Western involvement in Congo.  :lol:

https://twitter.com/MintPressNews/status/1688947262725009411


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Re: Coup in Niger [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #28429997 - 08/11/23 04:57 PM (5 months, 14 days ago)

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But China and India each purchase more oil from the Middle East than the US does.  :shrug:




The US gets very little oil from the Middle East. Less than 1m barrels a day. The US produces 12.5m bpd, we get 4.5 from Canada, and about a million from Latin America and a million from all other sources


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Re: Coup in Niger [Re: koods]
    #28430025 - 08/11/23 05:22 PM (5 months, 14 days ago)

Matt Gaetz absolutely demolishes US Africom general for training African military leaders responsible for 11 African coups.



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    #28430035 - 08/11/23 05:32 PM (5 months, 14 days ago)

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Here's an absolutely hilarious video (based on the reaction of the host being addressed) of a speech at the U.N. Food Systems Pre-Summit on 27 Jul 21 about Western involvement in Congo.  :lol:

https://twitter.com/MintPressNews/status/1688947262725009411




Jeffrey Sachs making too much sense again.

George Galloway points out a few truths about that region of Africa as well.

https://twitter.com/georgegalloway/status/1687855934234845184?s=46&t=BKhNVtIcPiFttMHSf5MG2w

Which leads to scenes like this

https://twitter.com/harunanabdullah/status/1690119171453960192?s=46&t=BKhNVtIcPiFttMHSf5MG2w


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    #28430039 - 08/11/23 05:34 PM (5 months, 14 days ago)

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Matt Gaetz absolutely demolishes US Africom general for training African military leaders responsible for 11 African coups.






Yeah that’s an excellent clip.
No wonder koods doesn’t like Matt Gaetz he’s been making too much sense lately as well


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    #28430054 - 08/11/23 05:42 PM (5 months, 14 days ago)

Lol Matt Gaetz is a buffoon.


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    #28430064 - 08/11/23 05:46 PM (5 months, 14 days ago)

When a buffoon is making more sense than the people around him what’s that tell you?


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    #28430080 - 08/11/23 05:56 PM (5 months, 14 days ago)

Tells me even a blind squirrel finds an acorn once in a while.


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    #28430129 - 08/11/23 06:30 PM (5 months, 14 days ago)

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Here's an absolutely hilarious video (based on the reaction of the host being addressed) of a speech at the U.N. Food Systems Pre-Summit on 27 Jul 21 about Western involvement in Congo.  :lol:

https://twitter.com/MintPressNews/status/1688947262725009411




Jeffrey Sachs making too much sense again.

George Galloway points out a few truths about that region of Africa as well.

https://twitter.com/georgegalloway/status/1687855934234845184?s=46&t=BKhNVtIcPiFttMHSf5MG2w



Nice.  I wished congresspeople like AOC were doing this, but she's become an establishment hack.

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Which leads to scenes like this

https://twitter.com/harunanabdullah/status/1690119171453960192?s=46&t=BKhNVtIcPiFttMHSf5MG2w



Damn, Western hegemony is dying....  Thanks Biden!


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Re: Coup in Niger [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #28430171 - 08/11/23 06:55 PM (5 months, 14 days ago)

Btw that tweet claims:

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Massive gathering of hundreds of thousands of Nigeriens around the French military base in Niamey.





The video shows no where near that number. Closer to 10,000 based on what is shown.

200,000 people attended this concert and that picture crops out 20% of them. So 160,000 in this photo



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    #28430384 - 08/11/23 09:41 PM (5 months, 14 days ago)

Agreed, it doesn't appear to be hundreds of thousands in the video.


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    #28431351 - 08/12/23 05:44 PM (5 months, 13 days ago)

Yes, possibly a typo from the Nigerian journalist?

Hundreds and thousands?


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