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Coup in Niger 1
#28427560 - 08/09/23 07:48 PM (5 months, 16 days ago) |
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A thread to discuss the coup in Niger and potential global implications (to get it out of the Ukraine war thread). Here is a very good video summarizing the initial impact the coup is already having on the world:
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I would just like to take a moment to point out that what happened in Niger is a perfect example of a coup and not what happened in Ukraine at all . I like to educate people too .
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I stopped with his first claim.
How did Victoria Nuland help create the war in Ukraine? As an extra bonus, congrats Niger, the US just froze 100 million dollars from you, ya know, 1/5 of the total dollars we give them in a decade.
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Psilynut2 said: I would just like to take a moment to point out that what happened in Niger is a perfect example of a coup and not what happened in Ukraine at all . I like to educate people too .
Why is overthrowing a democratically elected leader in Ukraine not a coup? Educate me!
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SirTripAlot said: I stopped with his first claim.
How did Victoria Nuland help create the war in Ukraine?
By riling up anti-government citizens and determining who we would put in charge before the coup ever happened.
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How do you overthrow someone who already voluntarily fled the country?
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SirTripAlot said: I stopped with his first claim.
How did Victoria Nuland help create the war in Ukraine?
By riling up anti-government citizens and determining who we would put in charge before the coup ever happened.
On the scale of things, "riling up citizens" vs amassing a military presence on a nation's border...... I don't think it's rocket science to see who created more.
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As others have already noted, the coup followed by the civil war against those who wouldn't go along with the coup, is what led to the fighting, which started in 2014, not 2022.
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What you call civil war was Russian tanks and unmarked and deigned Russian troops. Russia had two talking points. One, those were just soldiers on their own time and a little bit into it, they had to protect Russian speakers. A little further in, they carried out an illegal annexation of part of Ukraine. They did part of this by sending soldiers to peoples houses to collect votes so they could call it a democratic thing. Russia used the same talking point you use, that they were just saving the Russia speaking people. This of course was while and after claiming it wasn't their tank. Even russia admits some of this after the fact though you hang on to the original propaganda even better then they do. If Russia stealing part of your country can be considered a civil war, you would have to have the position that the soviet union had never broken up.
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Re: Coup in Niger [Re: gww]
#28428035 - 08/10/23 06:29 AM (5 months, 15 days ago) |
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I think niger is an example of possibly Wagner backed influence (and therefore potentially Russian government influenced) of a military hierarchy seeking power…
But I also believe there’s been a popular level of support for a regime change. The deal Niger has had economically was patently ridiculous, let alone their colonial past—something I’m certain those progressive Americans would recognise causes certain long lasting trauma, resentment, not to mention having to start their proverbial race long after the starting gun has gone off.
I digress. I think this move in Niger is geopolitically savvy. Certainly perhaps, nudged by a certain party newly crowned “the enemy of Putin” by many legacy media; whos mercanaries might in fact be nothing of the sort and still tied to Putin and working directly for the kremlin in a less bloody part of the world.
Koods and co, please don’t quote me out of context. Niger is just a present day example of many former coups and overthrowings perpetrated by forces directly in the employment of the United States. You guys do it, have done it and probably will again.
I’ll make myself clear: Whether it involves assassinations, training up death squads, arming fanatics, or whether it’s economic strong arming, blackmail or indenture—it is always wrong. The situation in Niger was obviously rigged to make the most from the country to its detriment formerly, and now there’s been a government overthrown, potentially with some background help.
The internationally elected hypocrites are already throwing pots at kettles in a frenzy.
All that uranium!
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that video is bonkers that guy claims putin 'literally' could flip a switch and destroy the american economy by turning off the lights
where is this literal switch? why is this guy sensationalizing and admitting niger is just a pawn in russias game against the west?
you post the worst videos.
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Re: Coup in Niger [Re: mushboy]
#28428125 - 08/10/23 07:50 AM (5 months, 15 days ago) |
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I can't be fucked to watch the video. Did he explain how Putin has any control over our energy supply?
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Re: Coup in Niger [Re: Enlil]
#28428133 - 08/10/23 08:00 AM (5 months, 15 days ago) |
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by shutting down 14% of the total uranium that we import from russia for use in ~18% of our energy. lulz. and i had to look that up he said basically what i quoted. 'putin can literally turn off the economy of america by cutting off refined uranium'. what a clown.
niger is trading one colonial power for another. im sure since russia is the largest refiner of uranium in the world putin will have no problem assisting another market competitor refine uranium to sell so the people of africa can keep the wealth.
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Psilynut2 said: I would just like to take a moment to point out that what happened in Niger is a perfect example of a coup and not what happened in Ukraine at all . I like to educate people too .
Why is overthrowing a democratically elected leader in Ukraine not a coup? Educate me!
Even if the president of Ukraine was unlawfully removed, which he wasn't, that wouldn't be a coup. The government remained intact and remained in power. One person being removed does not a coup make, unless it is an autocracy.
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said: As others have already noted, the coup followed by the civil war against those who wouldn't go along with the coup, is what led to the fighting, which started in 2014, not 2022.
Homeboy said " helped create the war in Ukraine". Are you assuming he means in past engagements? Did he specify what he was speaking about?
Even if this was noted, a mid level government secretary (or quasi diplomat) having the ability to create anytype of substantial conflict, solo or "helped", is ridiculous.
If he provides evidence to back the claim in the video, let me know.
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Re: Coup in Niger [Re: Enlil] 1
#28428410 - 08/10/23 01:07 PM (5 months, 15 days ago) |
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SirTripAlot said: I stopped with his first claim.
How did Victoria Nuland help create the war in Ukraine? As an extra bonus, congrats Niger, the US just froze 100 million dollars from you, ya know, 1/5 of the total dollars we give them in a decade.
Only someone whom is completely clueless would question Victoria Nuland's very blatant and open involvement in the 2014 coup in Ukraine.
Although to be fair, can't put all the blame on Nuland. The CIA has made it a policy to support the fanatic Nazi groups in Ukraine since the fucking 1950's. They created a fucking Frankenstein monster and now we are witnessing the consequences of 80 years of US support for Nazi groups in Ukraine.
They created a vile, hate-filled monster and now they are fulfilling their one and only purpose, to die on behalf of US imperialism and world domination. Ukraine will fight down to the last Ukrainian and the last Nazi, all for nothing, just to stave off the complete fall of the US Empire for a couple extra years.
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Even if the president of Ukraine was unlawfully removed, which he wasn't, that wouldn't be a coup. The government remained intact and remained in power. One person being removed does not a coup make, unless it is an autocracy.
Lol, so now we are rewriting the definition of 'coups' just so you can personally avoid admitting US involvement in the 2014 coup. And let's be honest, it was a violent coup that resulted in hundreds of people dead, followed by a civil war with thousands more dying before Russia even got involved.
The US Neocon-controlled foreign policy blob has its hands covered in Ukrainian blood, they are drowning in blood and you being willfully ignorant of this won't change that.
As for the coup in Niger, Niger has just finally freed itself from hundreds of years of French exploitation, domination, and enslavement at long last. Once they start getting fair prices for their Uranium, people in Niger will have a dramatically improved standard of living. Good for them.
What colonial holdings from centuries past that Europe still holds over Africa should be completely and totally eliminated. It's only right.
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There's no evidence the U.S. was involved at all.
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Re: Coup in Niger [Re: gww]
#28428483 - 08/10/23 01:58 PM (5 months, 15 days ago) |
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gww said: What you call civil war was Russian tanks and unmarked and deigned Russian troops. . . . They did part of this by sending soldiers to peoples houses to collect votes so they could call it a democratic thing.
Can you back these statements up with evidence?
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Switching the topic away from Ukraine back to Niger, a top general from Niger, who was one of the most reliable friends of the US military for almost 30 years and went to Washington D.C.'s National Defense University, said this after the US threatened to take funding away from Niger's military following the coup:
"If that is the price to pay for our sovereignty, then let it be."
Watch starting at 9:04...
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