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Re: Research into psychedelics use in spinal cord injury, please take the survey. [Re: redgreenvines] * 1
    #28380697 - 06/30/23 08:48 PM (6 months, 25 days ago)

I could be totally wrong but I thought that if you got a severe or total injury at some portion of your cervical spine then anything peripheral/nervous below would be compromised

Or like let's just say you happened to sever only the descending columns of your spinal tract at c4. My understanding was that you would not suddenly see working descending columns in the thoracic spine or lower

I'm a virtual layman though, I just take care of these folks' needs


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Re: Research into psychedelics use in spinal cord injury, please take the survey. [Re: morrowasted]
    #28380734 - 06/30/23 09:16 PM (6 months, 25 days ago)

i don't drink no more don't smoke no more because no one told me shrooms will take that away eventually its matter of time so enjoy your drinks and smoke, its that one trip that mf one trip and when you wake up huh you just don't wanna smoke anymore
and then you get dreams of smoking after six months and doctor say its normal withdrawal symptom

i was on weed for a brief period of time didnt work out.

in the end shroom is something that does what 8 pills and capsules partially do.

i guess this was part of john hopkins psychedelic research "what single dose of shroom does to brain in case of chronic depression zoloft and prozc do that in a week"

like all meds it takes time to build up in your system for example it takes 1 week for zoloft or prozac to start effecting the brain in some cases a month or doc will change the meds completely.

shroom takes 30 minutes to do that.

micro-dose is between 100mg to 400mg i found my sweet spot 300mg in the first two year now 100mg

effects are like getting HD vision a bit high like gabapentin 300mg minus the suicidal depression instead better mood and thats about it. like all meds there are no instance result, i saw my first changes on day 40.

no more pain you can do any thing you want like you use to do before SCI.

you can get back to programming,painting or simply appreciate life.


the shocking part is a lot of things are BS but shrooms work too well to point of scary.

in the end of the day what matter is you get your life back in order, could sleep at night without insomnia, eat bath by yourself.


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Re: Research into psychedelics use in spinal cord injury, please take the survey. [Re: pesa]
    #28380834 - 06/30/23 11:10 PM (6 months, 25 days ago)

That's pretty cool man. The patient I had did use cannabis in a vape pen. I actually had to help him use it because of course you can't use his arms, which was technically against the law for me to do but hey.... The law can suck on my blunt whenever it needs to.

He would wake up with extreme clonus. The cannabis did not come close to relieving an entirely but there was an obvious effect on how quickly I could relieve the clonus by haptic feedback if he did use it

I think you're talking about a very different kind of spinal cord injury though. His spinal cord was essentially severed entirely. Clearly there's a bit of it remaining but almost none


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Re: Research into psychedelics use in spinal cord injury, please take the survey. [Re: george castanza]
    #28380836 - 06/30/23 11:11 PM (6 months, 25 days ago)

Bit late response but, anecdotally I don't find much difference in results between varieties or cultures. Also no reports of it from "patients" for lack of better word, the people I help for medical issues primarily not just fun. Many say they don't like the high potency stuff, harder to dose and just not the same for them; I guess this is where other compounds are having affect. I just use whatever I'm growing at the time, no dedicated variety for medicine and Never used bacterial or moldy tub's fruits for medicine.


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Re: Research into psychedelics use in spinal cord injury, please take the survey. [Re: bryguy27007]
    #28381899 - 07/01/23 10:25 PM (6 months, 24 days ago)

Very intriguing, thank you for sharing


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Re: Research into psychedelics use in spinal cord injury, please take the survey. [Re: LtLurker]
    #28383681 - 07/03/23 01:08 PM (6 months, 23 days ago)

Quote:

LtLurker said:
Bit late response but, anecdotally I don't find much difference in results between varieties or cultures. Also no reports of it from "patients" for lack of better word, the people I help for medical issues primarily not just fun. Many say they don't like the high potency stuff, harder to dose and just not the same for them; I guess this is where other compounds are having affect. I just use whatever I'm growing at the time, no dedicated variety for medicine and Never used bacterial or moldy tub's fruits for medicine.




i guess this thing goes around the world on my side of the world, when i was put marijuana edibles i took it only once and never again due to high potency, the heck its like back on gabapentina and being stuck high.

imo micro-dose is best the effects are way too less and you can get to work without a issue also variety does not matter but some variety are back by data now :shrug:


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Re: Research into psychedelics use in spinal cord injury, please take the survey. [Re: LtLurker]
    #28392133 - 07/11/23 06:33 AM (6 months, 15 days ago)

What about fresh ones, did you chew them properly, was there contaminants? Was there clay in the substrate, did you consume substrate?


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Re: Research into psychedelics use in spinal cord injury, please take the survey. [Re: Anonymous #2]
    #28407536 - 07/25/23 07:59 AM (6 months, 1 day ago)

Pain can be a problem, normally i take mushrooms for anxiety


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Re: Research into psychedelics use in spinal cord injury, please take the survey. [Re: EsporaEspacial]
    #28409949 - 07/27/23 06:56 AM (5 months, 30 days ago)

Shromolo best of luck on your recovery


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Re: Research into psychedelics use in spinal cord injury, please take the survey. [Re: yodoso2] * 1
    #28410016 - 07/27/23 08:31 AM (5 months, 30 days ago)

My brother in law with SCI in his neck due to aging degeneration of the bone and crushing compression of the spinal cord is getting surgery next week.

3 vertebrae and discs will be replaced with man made materials, and neuroprotective and neuroregenerative strategies will be employed using Oligodendrogenic precursor (stem) cells, Neural precursor (stem) cells and biogenic Neuro-Spinal Scaffold which will be applied to fill gaps left over.

The effective results will follow remyelination of axons that have suffered loss of insulation while compressed by the SCI. Most of that effect will be natural and augmented by the Oligodendrogenic cells.

the docs say he will be free of the numbness and will probably be a tennis champ in a few months again.


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Re: Research into psychedelics use in spinal cord injury, please take the survey. [Re: bryguy27007] * 3
    #28412955 - 07/29/23 02:39 PM (5 months, 28 days ago)

I haven´t read everything but wow... Some people had it bad and i am glad mushrooms managed to help them to an extent. For me mushrooms only helped me mentally. Managing my depression and such. They were a big part of me becoming "sane" again in the past. I could not have done it without them.

There was talk about pain and mushrooms. I never really thought about it, since pain has been part of my life since my knees gave when i was in my early 20s and more pain, mostly back pain, joined over time. But in this questionaire for the first time it became clear to me, that i am pain free when i am tripping. I never thought about that. I always regarded a trip just as a short holiday from myself and never really appreciated the full scope of the effects.




Interlude

In late 2020 i had a disc operation in my neck gone wrong... It ended in paraplegia. In the german operative report it got called "Querschnitt C7" - "cross section C7". Which is weird, because they replaced the disc between C5 and C6. The MRI pictures also show the bleeding in that area and not further down at C7. There is nothing C7 about it at all, but what do i know? I am not a doctor who tries to cover his butt in a report.

Long story short i experienced the most intense pain in my life. Moving a knee-joint dry is probably somewhere between a 9 and a 10 on the pain scale. It is no joke. Don´t ask how i know. But blood slowly crushing your spinal cord is in a completely different ballpark(!)
You guys know box jellyfish and what people say about the pain before they die? Pain that tells you: it is over. There is no point in resisting anymore. This is it. Game over. There is no coming back from this. That was the feeling. Pain that weirdly calms you while you hyperventilate without realising it.

Since then i know i am 100% opiate resistant. They gave me everything they had and all they were allowed to give me without killing me, i guess. I had constant arguments with the anesthetist and finally when i couldnt feel my legs anymore, she believed me. She probably thought i was a junkie, so she was understandably hesitant to give me more. But she did everytime anyways. Not that it helped the pain in any way.

On the MRI pictures they took after i already lost feeling of my whole body, my spinal cord was already pinched (crushed?) to half of its original width. It took another hour to get me on to the operating table again and the second operation saved my life. Who knows how much more pressure my spinal cord had to endure. They removed the implant, got rid of the bleeding and fused the vertebras. I was first able to kind of stand up 2 days after and i left the hospital after a week on my own two legs. Don´t ask about the next 1 1/2 years and the long rehabilitation. No fun. Seriously. Not beeing able to properly wipe your own ass, cut bread or open doors with a key is something else.

ALL the doctors, therapists and otherwise "experts" i interacted with had the exact same look on their face. They look at the operative report and MRI pictures, then at me, at the pictures again, at me again... I got called a medical miracle more often than i am comfortable with by now.

Almost 3 years later i am back to ~70% of MY original abilities - which translates to maybe 95% if i were average. I can move everything more or less well, apart from the three last fingers on my right hand. They are done, all corresponding muscles have completely atrophied. I can feel about 80% of my skin and i am back to my old weight again. Spasms in my arms and hands are getting better over time, pain is pretty much constant but manageable with therapy. Some days drive me crazy, some days are good.
Note that i do not have the option to just take pills for the pain. They don´t work on me. NOT AT ALL. NOTHING WORKS ON ME. I consulted a specialist that tried everything in his arsenal on me and his conclusion was: well, it seems you are one of the very rare cases that don´t respond to anything. When he later injected me in the back with lidocaine and it worked, he congratulated me on actually having a human nervous system. What a jerk. I like him.
Over all i am good, but still somewhat angry. Sports is something i have to take very, very slowly. Convincing my muscles to work in unison is still a long-term project. Every wrong move has a chance of resulting in pain for the next two weeks.




So, how do mushrooms come into play in my injury story?
After about a year of struggle, still more or less confined to my home, still somewhat dependant on help regarding everyday activities, i kind of grabbed the wrong bottle from my fridge, realised my mistake, doubled down and had a pretty intense trip. I took the opportunity to get in touch with my right hand. Fingers 3, 4 and 5 are non-responsive. I am left with thumb and index finger. It was a long, intense and mentally challenging trip. I did not reconnect with anything missing in my right hand. There was just no connection anymore. Spinal cord damage.
It was some sort of last resort, "help me" thing, talking to my hand while on mushrooms. But i tried. And it didn´t really hurt. Only for a night. And only in my head.


I hope something usefull comes out of this study. By now i spent pretty much my whole saturday evening in answering the questionaire and writing this. =D


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Re: Research into psychedelics use in spinal cord injury, please take the survey. [Re: Zwinst]
    #28413496 - 07/30/23 04:26 AM (5 months, 27 days ago)

Fascinating

Thanks for sharing


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Re: Research into psychedelics use in spinal cord injury, please take the survey. [Re: Zwinst]
    #28417700 - 08/02/23 05:45 PM (5 months, 23 days ago)

@zwinst;
amazing story,
even more amazing that you got up again and walked
and even more amazing that you are coping and progressing
and totally delightful that mushrooms have been of use.


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Re: Research into psychedelics use in spinal cord injury, please take the survey. [Re: redgreenvines] * 1
    #28419984 - 08/04/23 03:09 AM (5 months, 22 days ago)

In this article,
the break in the spinal cord is bypassed
movement and feeling are restored cybernetic-ally
https://greekreporter.com/2023/08/03/ai-brain-implant-regain-feeling-movement/

it does not bypass phantom pain, but is new hope for quadriplegics to regain their freedom and abilities.


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Re: Research into psychedelics use in spinal cord injury, please take the survey. [Re: redgreenvines] * 1
    #28424414 - 08/07/23 02:40 PM (5 months, 19 days ago)

I have a spinal cord injury and find this thread very interesting. I began microdosing for the effects of polio. I'm actually fighting polio's later in life post-polio syndrome. In 1956, as a child, I got polio. Like a SCI, polio is a neurological disease. My polio affected my left lower leg. Most of my life I was very athletic. In my early sixties I could still slalom waterski. I began to notice muscle wasting and a loss of strength in my mid-sixties. I'm now seventy and have a fairly severe loss of muscle and strength. Polio attacks the nerves and kills them. Secondary nerves generate after your initial attack of polio. It seems the polio virus can go to sleep but unfortunately, it can also, wake up. It's called post-polio syndrome. I'm happy I found this site. I believe in microdosing for my SCI but will be very interested to see if it can help in the regeneration of nerves in my lower leg or at least stop the muscle wasting.


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Re: Research into psychedelics use in spinal cord injury, please take the survey. [Re: DungaDin]
    #28425007 - 08/07/23 09:33 PM (5 months, 18 days ago)

thankx for this thread, its very informative


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Re: Research into psychedelics use in spinal cord injury, please take the survey. [Re: redgreenvines]
    #28425008 - 08/07/23 09:33 PM (5 months, 18 days ago)

do you have any links?


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Re: Research into psychedelics use in spinal cord injury, please take the survey. [Re: DungaDin]
    #28425067 - 08/07/23 09:56 PM (5 months, 18 days ago)

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I have a spinal cord injury and find this thread very interesting. I began microdosing for the effects of polio. I'm actually fighting polio's later in life post-polio syndrome. In 1956, as a child, I got polio. Like a SCI, polio is a neurological disease. My polio affected my left lower leg. Most of my life I was very athletic. In my early sixties I could still slalom waterski. I began to notice muscle wasting and a loss of strength in my mid-sixties. I'm now seventy and have a fairly severe loss of muscle and strength. Polio attacks the nerves and kills them. Secondary nerves generate after your initial attack of polio. It seems the polio virus can go to sleep but unfortunately, it can also, wake up. It's called post-polio syndrome. I'm happy I found this site. I believe in microdosing for my SCI but will be very interested to see if it can help in the regeneration of nerves in my lower leg or at least stop the muscle wasting.


please report back


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Re: Research into psychedelics use in spinal cord injury, please take the survey. [Re: morrowasted]
    #28427123 - 08/09/23 12:59 PM (5 months, 17 days ago)

I know it will be a very slow process if it happens at all but I as many others on here are trail blazing and may find the medical reason mushrooms were put on the earth. I truly believe I get relief already with neuropathic pain and I take capsules everyday. Wouldn't it be amazing to find a cure for muscle wasting through nerve regeneration.


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