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realization about value of life according to ultimate sanity
#28422903 - 08/06/23 10:11 AM (5 months, 20 days ago) |
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hello lovely shroomers i just had a realization that my stomack didn't hurt and my stomach shouldn't hurt that suicide would be like my stomach hurting more so it is like this all the way to none existence more and more pain and discomfort and nausea and such if that was the case bante mentioned ultimate sanity bhante gunaratana so i just thought of it that way

a good day to all you shroomers! hehe
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Re: realization about value of life according to ultimate sanity [Re: Ferdinando] 2
#28422995 - 08/06/23 11:35 AM (5 months, 20 days ago) |
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Re: realization about value of life according to ultimate sanity [Re: Buster_Brown] 1
#28423146 - 08/06/23 02:05 PM (5 months, 20 days ago) |
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well, briefly perhaps, no state lasts very long.
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Re: realization about value of life according to ultimate sanity [Re: redgreenvines]
#28432108 - 08/13/23 09:56 AM (5 months, 13 days ago) |
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you have to make things brighter by what you do
sometimes there's a feeling that you will get brighter and that so will your life if you do something when you then do it it becomes so
but overall you have to set yourself up for more light
this can be done by meditating drawing having a job not abandoning
going to school
doing weed and mushrooms
etc.
it is a huge relief
you get it much better
don't stop!
ha
i have stopped wining
i don't wine inside anymore
i am just a neutral looking picture now
there is no limit to this
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Re: realization about value of life according to ultimate sanity [Re: Ferdinando]
#28432156 - 08/13/23 10:32 AM (5 months, 13 days ago) |
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damn i envy you guys for that you can do psychedelics those were the days these days are fine too
personally i am on a nice break from acid 11 years so far i think i can do psychedelics in 3 years i progress and progress and progress and then die lol you guys are so fucking lucky!
i have cigarettes and food as highlights and candy
"every second is a highlight"
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Re: realization about value of life according to ultimate sanity [Re: Ferdinando]
#28432329 - 08/13/23 12:44 PM (5 months, 13 days ago) |
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The last time you took acid was 11 years ago and you call it "a nice break"
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Re: realization about value of life according to ultimate sanity [Re: RJ Tubs 202]
#28435940 - 08/16/23 10:41 AM (5 months, 10 days ago) |
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i just found a strategy that works i now do 10 situps and 10 squats before 45 min. meditation every day i was doing 10 situps and 10 squats before the first session and not the second and was stuck with my garden as it was a little more drawing and a lot of cigarettes and coffee and medication and nothing else
the garden was ok but it wasn't that good
i found that the excercise and meditation worked on other fields in my life in my garden
IT REALLY WORKS!
then i drew a drawing more than i used to and smoked less and drank less coffee than I used to
my mom just said it could have been worse that is what you should think of all the time he
the drawing works drawing a little more than one used to
with this garden i also must do a minute yoga more than i usually do every day
i used to try to draw a minute more than i used to every day but i couldn't and then all of it fell down
but the excercise works and the drawing a little more every day works it could be 10 seconds or 20 or a drawing more a day a drawing more a day works for me because i make them so fast in 10 or 20 seconds
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Re: realization about value of life according to ultimate sanity [Re: Ferdinando]
#28435959 - 08/16/23 11:04 AM (5 months, 10 days ago) |
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don't push it, if it gets too tough you might not follow your own plan.
I was thinking this morning of making my squats and pushups deeper, but then I went, "nahh if you do that you will skip the exercises that hurt too much and then probably even skip the sitting meditation too..." that's why I am doing the same routine as last year, and the one before that..
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Re: realization about value of life according to ultimate sanity [Re: redgreenvines]
#28436260 - 08/16/23 04:34 PM (5 months, 9 days ago) |
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Squats? That's encouraging, somehow I pictured you as 3 gasps from a pulmanary.
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Re: realization about value of life according to ultimate sanity [Re: Buster_Brown]
#28436326 - 08/16/23 05:46 PM (5 months, 9 days ago) |
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I'm a skinny but semi ripped old guy, but when I wear dark glasses I get good attention. people stopped me to photo for their style blogs in new york (5 years ago), In detroit (4 yrs ago) a cop stopped me to say "those are damn fine glasses", and in Greece (3 years ago) a customs agent thought I was a movie star, I have no idea which one.
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Re: realization about value of life according to ultimate sanity [Re: Ferdinando] 1
#28436643 - 08/17/23 12:05 AM (5 months, 9 days ago) |
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Ferdinando said: hello lovely shroomers i just had a realization that my stomack didn't hurt and my stomach shouldn't hurt that suicide would be like my stomach hurting more so it is like this all the way to none existence more and more pain and discomfort and nausea and such if that was the case bante mentioned ultimate sanity bhante gunaratana so i just thought of it that way

a good day to all you shroomers! hehe 
I don't want you to consider suicide my precious Ferdinando, like your ava you will always be a dove in a world of violence. That said, I would never keep you for you are not mine. Even then know you are valued, and seeing that previous bird is always an indication to listen.
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Re: realization about value of life according to ultimate sanity [Re: Tropism] 1
#28437973 - 08/18/23 08:45 AM (5 months, 8 days ago) |
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you have to get to deserve more respect by being innocent and getting things done the less mistakes and more good action there is the more respect you will deserve good action could be meditation and drawing and dharma studies
so yeah you have to get to deserve to be respected more highly by this
the more highly you deserve to be respected the better what differerence you make for others is
and the better your life will go
you give a hug to fields in your existence
you are more innocent to them you screw them up less you care more for them you give them more care you are more interested in that they become better and push them towards becoming better like attraction
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Re: realization about value of life according to ultimate sanity [Re: Ferdinando]
#28437975 - 08/18/23 08:48 AM (5 months, 8 days ago) |
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i think that people are very bad i think that things are very bad on the earth
so we have to deserve to be respected more highly for things to bloom and have less weeds
the score is what it is it is what it is it is very tangible
long way to go
it is a process
it is not a rock
it is not nuclear war
like this
on the whole and for individuals on an individual basis i could say like a combination to make you understand it more but it is not a combination
milarepa said meditation is a service to the people
i have meditated for 10 years approximately 3000 hours and can manage much better from it
so yeah like this 10 years of meditation 3000 hours
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Re: realization about value of life according to ultimate sanity [Re: Ferdinando]
#28437984 - 08/18/23 08:52 AM (5 months, 8 days ago) |
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one day at a time
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Re: realization about value of life according to ultimate sanity [Re: redgreenvines]
#28441432 - 08/21/23 08:46 AM (5 months, 5 days ago) |
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there is no limit to how we can have it
the more you draw the better you get it
it is about how close we are to the middle way
we must care about everything
and be interested in everything
then middle way
then drawing
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Re: realization about value of life according to ultimate sanity [Re: Ferdinando]
#28443703 - 08/23/23 10:48 AM (5 months, 3 days ago) |
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you have to go to a place where it feels like you get the most done in the future and where it feels like your garden is fixed as soon as possible
also you have to go to a place where it feels like you increase getting things done time as soon as possible and as much as possible
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Re: realization about value of life according to ultimate sanity [Re: Ferdinando]
#28443869 - 08/23/23 01:29 PM (5 months, 3 days ago) |
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well, I would take a holiday from pushing improvements.
many things are really excellent just as they are, they can be appreciated even when not perfect in all ways imaginable.
when you appreciate things as they are it feels great.
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Re: realization about value of life according to ultimate sanity [Re: redgreenvines]
#28444093 - 08/23/23 04:14 PM (5 months, 2 days ago) |
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well, I would take a holiday from pushing improvements.
I wonder when I am going on a holiday.
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Re: realization about value of life according to ultimate sanity [Re: Pinkerton]
#28446133 - 08/25/23 07:38 AM (5 months, 1 day ago) |
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how does drawing affect it? I have heard it is therapeutic
is it like and as good as seeing a therapist?
does it make you more caring? and such things?
I know that it supports you tremendously in small amounts but would I become a better person from doing it more? does it make you more resourceful and such things what?
how does one make good progress? become more caring etc. learn to relax such zen good things? what good zen things does drawing do? how much should one do it?
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Re: realization about value of life according to ultimate sanity [Re: Ferdinando]
#28446175 - 08/25/23 08:14 AM (5 months, 1 day ago) |
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Ferdinando said: how does drawing affect it? I have heard it is therapeutic
is it like and as good as seeing a therapist?
does it make you more caring? and such things?
I know that it supports you tremendously in small amounts but would I become a better person from doing it more? does it make you more resourceful and such things what?
Moving your hands, arms (etc.) at the same time that you are observing and thinking about the scene you are rendering on the page is an integrating activity. Many parts of the body and brain are working together, and the union of this helps develop calm and enjoyable presence (and a calm enjoyable association with the idea of drawing to help ground you in future moments) while the mind continues to do what it always does do - sifting through bits of memory and reacting. The physicality of drawing or painting or sculpting grounds the person (artist) in the moment, via the concerted efforts of putting color or marks or dents in one particular spot or another, and seeing the artwork grown into a thing in itself with the artist help.
in a single word it is a pleasurable grounding effect.
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Ferdinando said: how does one make good progress? become more caring etc. learn to relax such zen good things? what good zen things does drawing do? how much should one do it?
change follows interest, it is like the change in direction of a fish or a bird. notably any perceived change becomes a directional attraction, but what you really mean has to do with progress towards enlightenment. SO. What you have managed to do over the last decade is to investigate and involve yourself in various paths towards enlightenment. towards attaining enlightenment and towards understanding enlightenment. This means that you are interested - very interested, sufficiently interested to be headed in the right general direction, even if you feel scattered or inadequate, or that nothing is satisfactory.
To be more caring, you should be interested in being more caring to yourself initially (and try to see that in fact all things in life have some basic unsatisfactoriness so we wont try to eliminate unsatisfactoriness); then you can think of ways to be more caring to those people close to you, and then even to those you don't know, finally including those who seem negative. Via metta meditation you find ways to be more caring, and you remember what you find, it is a way of introducing mental associations that apply to all the categories of people and creatures you may encounter in life.
***Learning to relax begins again now, and continues to begin again and again until your last breath each time you notice you are not relaxed (it will happen that something will trigger tension, and we cannot avoid that regardless how enlightened we are). This is the most taxing and yet also easiest thing at the same time, and we need to keep finding ways to relax in each moment we become aware of our presence.
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Re: realization about value of life according to ultimate sanity [Re: redgreenvines]
#28446186 - 08/25/23 08:30 AM (5 months, 1 day ago) |
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Well! :applaud: What dreams we may coagulate in the next 20 years on this site.
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Re: realization about value of life according to ultimate sanity [Re: Buster_Brown]
#28446195 - 08/25/23 08:49 AM (5 months, 1 day ago) |
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i found that drawing takes me closer to the middle way and reduces suffering i pushes the self towards a better place even towards finding you center and being free
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Re: realization about value of life according to ultimate sanity [Re: Ferdinando]
#28446238 - 08/25/23 09:36 AM (5 months, 1 day ago) |
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Nice
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Re: realization about value of life according to ultimate sanity [Re: redgreenvines]
#28446266 - 08/25/23 10:10 AM (5 months, 1 day ago) |
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should i shift from metta mantra to may i be well and happy and may redgreenvines be well and happy etc. how long of the meditation should be metta? i am also doing beginning middle end should there be some of that and how much of it?
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Re: realization about value of life according to ultimate sanity [Re: Ferdinando]
#28446280 - 08/25/23 10:32 AM (5 months, 1 day ago) |
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F.
you already described your priority
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become more caring etc. learn to relax such zen good things?
so Metta, using any form you like is really what YOU prioritized - "caring" is the operative word that you wrote.
One meditation in a lifetime is enough, and Metta is a good one, and the who can change in your personal list of representation of kinds of entities you are developing caring for.
My character seems to work well with beginning middle end and just breathe at this time - things change.
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Re: realization about value of life according to ultimate sanity [Re: redgreenvines]
#28448091 - 08/27/23 07:26 AM (4 months, 30 days ago) |
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you have to do what is best for the journey the mind makes always you have to feel it what makes the journey how and then you have to act on in or not if the journey is more troubled with that with that particular thing that you feel i mean
it's very simple
it's a stage of spiritual progress
we all know what happens before you must do as good as possible but it is really good to be able to feel how the mental journey is with what
life becomes much easier and more enjoyable with this kind of thing
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Re: realization about value of life according to ultimate sanity [Re: Ferdinando] 1
#28448139 - 08/27/23 08:25 AM (4 months, 30 days ago) |
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even just closer to nibbana is good you have to be able to feel when you attain nibbana with what and what gives what closeness and act on it
you have to approximate understanding the truth
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Re: realization about value of life according to ultimate sanity [Re: Ferdinando]
#28448336 - 08/27/23 11:16 AM (4 months, 30 days ago) |
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when approximate aligns suitably with what is intended it is peaceful
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Re: realization about value of life according to ultimate sanity [Re: redgreenvines]
#28456736 - 09/03/23 07:49 AM (4 months, 23 days ago) |
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everyone has it based on what they did you must cover how you have it by drawing sure it's good to have a job and paint but you must cover the field of how you have it for example by drawing this can be done by increasing drawing time for example by drawing a drawing more a day or a minute more a day
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