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realization about value of life according to ultimate sanity
    #28422903 - 08/06/23 10:11 AM (5 months, 20 days ago)

hello lovely shroomers
i just had a realization that my stomack didn't hurt and my stomach shouldn't hurt
that suicide would be like my stomach hurting more
so it is like this all the way to none existence more and more pain
and discomfort and nausea
and such
if that was the case
bante mentioned ultimate sanity
bhante gunaratana
so i just thought of it that way

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a good day to all you shroomers! hehe :laugh:


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Re: realization about value of life according to ultimate sanity [Re: Ferdinando] * 2
    #28422995 - 08/06/23 11:35 AM (5 months, 20 days ago)



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Re: realization about value of life according to ultimate sanity [Re: Buster_Brown] * 1
    #28423146 - 08/06/23 02:05 PM (5 months, 20 days ago)

well, briefly perhaps, no state lasts very long.


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Re: realization about value of life according to ultimate sanity [Re: redgreenvines]
    #28432108 - 08/13/23 09:56 AM (5 months, 13 days ago)

you have to make things brighter by what you do

sometimes there's a feeling that you will get brighter and that so will your life if you do something
when you then do it it becomes so

but overall you have to set yourself up for more light

this can be done by meditating drawing having a job not abandoning

going to school

doing weed and mushrooms

etc.

it is a huge relief

you get it much better

don't stop!

ha

i have stopped wining

i don't wine inside anymore

i am just a neutral looking picture now

there is no limit to this


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Re: realization about value of life according to ultimate sanity [Re: Ferdinando]
    #28432156 - 08/13/23 10:32 AM (5 months, 13 days ago)

damn i envy you guys for that you can do psychedelics
those were the days
these days are fine too

personally i am on a nice break from acid
11 years so far
i think i can do psychedelics in 3 years
i progress and progress and progress and then die
lol
you guys are so fucking lucky!

i have cigarettes and food as highlights
and candy

"every second is a highlight"


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Re: realization about value of life according to ultimate sanity [Re: Ferdinando]
    #28432329 - 08/13/23 12:44 PM (5 months, 13 days ago)

The last time you took acid was 11 years ago and you call it "a nice break"


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Re: realization about value of life according to ultimate sanity [Re: RJ Tubs 202]
    #28435940 - 08/16/23 10:41 AM (5 months, 10 days ago)

i just found a strategy that works
i now do 10 situps and 10 squats before 45 min. meditation every day
i was doing 10 situps and 10 squats before the first session and not the second and was stuck
with my garden as it was
a little more drawing
and a lot of cigarettes and coffee
and medication
and nothing else

the garden was ok
but it wasn't that good

i found that the excercise and meditation worked on other fields in my life in my garden

IT REALLY WORKS!

then i drew a drawing more than i used to
and smoked less and drank less coffee than I used to

my mom just said it could have been worse that is what you should think of all the time
he

the drawing works drawing a little more than one used to

with this garden i also must do a minute yoga more than i usually do every day

i used to try to draw a minute more than i used to every day but i couldn't and then all of it fell down

but the excercise works and the drawing a little more every day works it could be 10 seconds or 20 or a drawing more a day a drawing more a day works for me because i make them so fast in 10 or 20 seconds


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Re: realization about value of life according to ultimate sanity [Re: Ferdinando]
    #28435959 - 08/16/23 11:04 AM (5 months, 10 days ago)

don't push it,
if it gets too tough you might not follow your own plan.

I was thinking this morning of making my squats and pushups deeper, but then I went,
"nahh if you do that you will skip the exercises that hurt too much and then probably even skip the sitting meditation too..."
that's why I am doing the same routine as last year, and the one before that..


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Re: realization about value of life according to ultimate sanity [Re: redgreenvines]
    #28436260 - 08/16/23 04:34 PM (5 months, 9 days ago)

Squats? That's encouraging, somehow I pictured you as 3 gasps from a pulmanary.


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Re: realization about value of life according to ultimate sanity [Re: Buster_Brown]
    #28436326 - 08/16/23 05:46 PM (5 months, 9 days ago)

I'm a skinny but semi ripped old guy, but when I wear dark glasses I get good attention.
people stopped me to photo for their style blogs in new york (5 years ago), In detroit (4 yrs ago) a cop stopped me to say "those are damn fine glasses", and in Greece (3 years ago) a customs agent thought I was a movie star, I have no idea which one.


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Re: realization about value of life according to ultimate sanity [Re: Ferdinando] * 1
    #28436643 - 08/17/23 12:05 AM (5 months, 9 days ago)

Quote:

Ferdinando said:
hello lovely shroomers
i just had a realization that my stomack didn't hurt and my stomach shouldn't hurt
that suicide would be like my stomach hurting more
so it is like this all the way to none existence more and more pain
and discomfort and nausea
and such
if that was the case
bante mentioned ultimate sanity
bhante gunaratana
so i just thought of it that way

:mushroom2:

a good day to all you shroomers! hehe :laugh:




I don't want you to consider suicide my precious Ferdinando, like your ava you will always be a dove in a world of violence. That said, I would never keep you for you are not mine. Even then know you are valued, and seeing that previous bird is always an indication to listen.


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Re: realization about value of life according to ultimate sanity [Re: Tropism] * 1
    #28437973 - 08/18/23 08:45 AM (5 months, 8 days ago)

you have to get to deserve more respect by being innocent and getting things done
the less mistakes and more good action there is the more respect you will deserve
good action could be meditation and drawing
and dharma studies

so yeah you have to get to deserve to be respected more highly by this

the more highly you deserve to be respected the better what differerence you make for others is

and the better your life will go

you give a hug to fields in your existence

you are more innocent to them
you screw them up less
you care more for them
you give them more care
you are more interested in that they become better and push them towards becoming better like attraction


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Re: realization about value of life according to ultimate sanity [Re: Ferdinando]
    #28437975 - 08/18/23 08:48 AM (5 months, 8 days ago)

i think that people are very bad
i think that things are very bad on the earth

so we have to deserve to be respected more highly for things to bloom and have less weeds

the score is what it is
it is what it is
it is very tangible

long way to go

it is a process

it is not a rock

it is not nuclear war

like this

on the whole and for individuals on an individual basis
i could say like a combination to make you understand it more
but it is not a combination

milarepa said meditation is a service to the people

i have meditated for 10 years
approximately 3000 hours
and can manage much better from it

so yeah like this 10 years of meditation 3000 hours


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Re: realization about value of life according to ultimate sanity [Re: Ferdinando]
    #28437984 - 08/18/23 08:52 AM (5 months, 8 days ago)

one day at a time


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Re: realization about value of life according to ultimate sanity [Re: redgreenvines]
    #28441432 - 08/21/23 08:46 AM (5 months, 5 days ago)

there is no limit to how we can have it

the more you draw the better you get it

it is about how close we are to the middle way

we must care about everything

and be interested in everything

then middle way

then drawing


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Re: realization about value of life according to ultimate sanity [Re: Ferdinando]
    #28443703 - 08/23/23 10:48 AM (5 months, 3 days ago)

you have to go to a place where it feels like you get the most done in the future
and where it feels like your garden is fixed as soon as possible

also you have to go to a place where it feels like you increase getting things done time as soon as possible and as much as possible


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Re: realization about value of life according to ultimate sanity [Re: Ferdinando]
    #28443869 - 08/23/23 01:29 PM (5 months, 3 days ago)

well, I would take a holiday from pushing improvements.

many things are really excellent just as they are,
they can be appreciated even when not perfect in all ways imaginable.

when you appreciate things as they are it feels great.


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Re: realization about value of life according to ultimate sanity [Re: redgreenvines]
    #28444093 - 08/23/23 04:14 PM (5 months, 2 days ago)

well, I would take a holiday from pushing improvements.

I wonder when I am going on a holiday.


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Re: realization about value of life according to ultimate sanity [Re: Pinkerton]
    #28446133 - 08/25/23 07:38 AM (5 months, 1 day ago)

how does drawing affect it?
I have heard it is therapeutic

is it like and as good as seeing a therapist?

does it make you more caring?
and such things?

I know that it supports you tremendously in small amounts but would I become a better person from doing it more?
does it make you more resourceful and such things what?

how does one make good progress?
become more caring etc.
learn to relax
such zen good things?
what good zen things does drawing do?
how much should one do it?


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Re: realization about value of life according to ultimate sanity [Re: Ferdinando]
    #28446175 - 08/25/23 08:14 AM (5 months, 1 day ago)

Quote:

Ferdinando said:
how does drawing affect it?
I have heard it is therapeutic

is it like and as good as seeing a therapist?

does it make you more caring?
and such things?

I know that it supports you tremendously in small amounts but would I become a better person from doing it more?
does it make you more resourceful and such things what?




Moving your hands, arms (etc.) at the same time that you are observing and thinking about the scene you are rendering on the page is an integrating activity. Many parts of the body and brain are working together, and the union of this helps develop calm and enjoyable presence (and a calm enjoyable association with the idea of drawing to help ground you in future moments) while the mind continues to do what it always does do - sifting through bits of memory and reacting. The physicality of drawing or painting or sculpting grounds the person (artist) in the moment, via the concerted efforts of putting color or marks or dents in one particular spot or another, and seeing the artwork grown into a thing in itself with the artist help.

in a single word it is a pleasurable grounding effect.



Quote:

Ferdinando said:
how does one make good progress?
become more caring etc.
learn to relax
such zen good things?
what good zen things does drawing do?
how much should one do it?




change follows interest, it is like the change in direction of a fish or a bird.
notably any perceived change becomes a directional attraction, but what you really mean has to do with progress towards enlightenment.
SO.
What you have managed to do over the last decade is to investigate and involve yourself in various paths towards enlightenment. towards attaining enlightenment and towards understanding enlightenment.
This means that you are interested - very interested, sufficiently interested to be headed in the right general direction, even if you feel scattered or inadequate, or that nothing is satisfactory.

To be more caring, you should be interested in being more caring to yourself initially (and try to see that in fact all things in life have some basic unsatisfactoriness so we wont try to eliminate unsatisfactoriness); then you can think of ways to be more caring to those people close to you, and then even to those you don't know, finally including those who seem negative. Via metta meditation you find ways to be more caring, and you remember what you find, it is a way of introducing mental associations that apply to all the categories of people and creatures you may encounter in life.

***Learning to relax begins again now, and continues to begin again and again until your last breath each time you notice you are not relaxed (it will happen that something will trigger tension, and we cannot avoid that regardless how enlightened we are). This is the most taxing and yet also easiest thing at the same time, and we need to keep finding ways to relax in each moment we become aware of our presence.


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Re: realization about value of life according to ultimate sanity [Re: redgreenvines]
    #28446186 - 08/25/23 08:30 AM (5 months, 1 day ago)

Well! :applaud:
What dreams we may coagulate
in the next 20 years on this site.


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Re: realization about value of life according to ultimate sanity [Re: Buster_Brown]
    #28446195 - 08/25/23 08:49 AM (5 months, 1 day ago)

i found that drawing takes me closer to the middle way
and reduces suffering
i pushes the self towards a better place
even towards finding you center
and being free


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Re: realization about value of life according to ultimate sanity [Re: Ferdinando]
    #28446238 - 08/25/23 09:36 AM (5 months, 1 day ago)

Nice


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Re: realization about value of life according to ultimate sanity [Re: redgreenvines]
    #28446266 - 08/25/23 10:10 AM (5 months, 1 day ago)

should i shift from metta mantra to may i be well and happy and may redgreenvines be well and happy etc.
how long of the meditation should be metta?
i am also doing beginning middle end should there be some of that and how much of it?


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Re: realization about value of life according to ultimate sanity [Re: Ferdinando]
    #28446280 - 08/25/23 10:32 AM (5 months, 1 day ago)

F.

you already described your priority
Quote:

become more caring etc.
learn to relax
such zen good things?




so Metta, using any form you like is really what YOU prioritized - "caring" is the operative word that you wrote.

One meditation in a lifetime is enough, and Metta is a good one, and the who can change in your personal list of representation of kinds of entities you are developing caring for.

My character seems to work well with beginning middle end and just breathe at this time - things change.


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Re: realization about value of life according to ultimate sanity [Re: redgreenvines]
    #28448091 - 08/27/23 07:26 AM (4 months, 30 days ago)

you have to do what is best for the journey the mind makes
always
you have to feel it
what makes the journey how
and then you have to act on in
or not
if the journey is more troubled with that
with that particular thing that you feel i mean

it's very simple

it's a stage of spiritual progress

we all know what happens before you must do as good as possible but it is really good to be able to feel how the mental journey is with what

life becomes much easier and more enjoyable with this kind of thing


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Re: realization about value of life according to ultimate sanity [Re: Ferdinando] * 1
    #28448139 - 08/27/23 08:25 AM (4 months, 30 days ago)

even just closer to nibbana is good
you have to be able to feel when you attain nibbana with what and what gives what closeness
and act on it

you have to approximate understanding the truth


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Re: realization about value of life according to ultimate sanity [Re: Ferdinando]
    #28448336 - 08/27/23 11:16 AM (4 months, 30 days ago)

when approximate aligns suitably with what is intended it is peaceful


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Re: realization about value of life according to ultimate sanity [Re: redgreenvines]
    #28456736 - 09/03/23 07:49 AM (4 months, 23 days ago)

everyone has it based on what they did
you must cover how you have it by drawing
sure it's good to have a job and paint but you must cover the field of how you have it for example by drawing
this can be done by increasing drawing time for example by drawing a drawing more a day or a minute more a day


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