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Re: Marijuana Addicts Say Nobody Takes Them Seriously [Re: rider420] * 1
    #28422112 - 08/05/23 05:13 PM (9 months, 8 days ago)

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The people I know were very heavy regular users for a very long time. Started getting the cyclic vomiting, stopped blazing, it went away. Any attempt to ingest cannabis in any form, and it comes right back. That's all I got.




Really eh all of them eh? Poor guys that's horrible. Been smoking since 82 growing my own since 86 never seen anyone get CHS including myself.
Cannabis has been legal in Canada for five years and CHS has not increased nor has cyclic vomiting. Nor has there been any reported cases by doctors in Canada of CHS from the thousands of medical users from the past 22 years of medical cannabis.

Highlights for the current update include: The number of medical client registrations with federally licensed sellers increased 3% from 224,474 in December 2022 to 230,697 in March 2023.Jul 24, 2023

https://www.canada.ca/en/health-canada/services/drugs-medication/cannabis/research-data/medical-purpose.html#:~:text=Highlights%20for%20the%20current%20update,to%20230%2C697%20in%20March%202023.

That's all I got.




Oh, yeah, it's something very new and very weird for sure. I've been a regular/heavy user for a long time, too, but the people I know who have gotten this are all younger than me and put my usage to shame. Like, an 8th or more of indoor dank indica every single day for a decade or two. I don't know if it's THC, some other cannabinoids, or just some random random byproduct of newer growing methods that's causing the reaction. Or maybe a combination of multiple things. It reminds me of the increase in peanut allergies, which I think has to do with changes in peanuts rather than people. I'd bet money that old school outdoor weed would never trigger it if that was all people smoked.


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Re: Marijuana Addicts Say Nobody Takes Them Seriously [Re: rider420]
    #28422149 - 08/05/23 05:57 PM (9 months, 8 days ago)

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In addition to all the obvious stuff, it's quite common for daily users to have no idea what sort of effect it actually has on their sleep cycle.

If you take a psychoactive substance every day from, say, sometime in your teens, and quit that substance decades later, there is no "normal" to return to after a couple weeks. Your entire life is going to feel different.

Take it easy, I think we're all still on Team Weed here for the most part.




I hope you don't take offense but there is no such thing as normal the older you get the better you will understand that fact. I love the fact that my life is always going to be different, while the use of tobacco, alcohol and opioids will only harm you the use of psychoactive drugs can make your life better.
I love shrooming it really did change me, I used to be fearful of crowds and perceived people as judging me. After a 7 gram trip years ago I lost that fear and when I look at people I see fear in thier eyes of being judged.

Life is great buddy I'm really enjoying myself far more now then in the past all thanks to shrooms. Psychedelics can help you change your life by allowing to see yourself without your ego's filter while alcohol and opioids only mask the pain.



I think we all agree here this is perfectly worded imo


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Re: Marijuana Addicts Say Nobody Takes Them Seriously [Re: B Traven] * 1
    #28422163 - 08/05/23 06:09 PM (9 months, 8 days ago)

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The people I know were very heavy regular users for a very long time. Started getting the cyclic vomiting, stopped blazing, it went away. Any attempt to ingest cannabis in any form, and it comes right back. That's all I got.




Really eh all of them eh? Poor guys that's horrible. Been smoking since 82 growing my own since 86 never seen anyone get CHS including myself.
Cannabis has been legal in Canada for five years and CHS has not increased nor has cyclic vomiting. Nor has there been any reported cases by doctors in Canada of CHS from the thousands of medical users from the past 22 years of medical cannabis.

Highlights for the current update include: The number of medical client registrations with federally licensed sellers increased 3% from 224,474 in December 2022 to 230,697 in March 2023.Jul 24, 2023

https://www.canada.ca/en/health-canada/services/drugs-medication/cannabis/research-data/medical-purpose.html#:~:text=Highlights%20for%20the%20current%20update,to%20230%2C697%20in%20March%202023.

That's all I got.




Oh, yeah, it's something very new and very weird for sure. I've been a regular/heavy user for a long time, too, but the people I know who have gotten this are all younger than me and put my usage to shame. Like, an 8th or more of indoor dank indica every single day for a decade or two. I don't know if it's THC, some other cannabinoids, or just some random random byproduct of newer growing methods that's causing the reaction. Or maybe a combination of multiple things. It reminds me of the increase in peanut allergies, which I think has to do with changes in peanuts rather than people. I'd bet money that old school outdoor weed would never trigger it if that was all people smoked.



The only thing I'd add is nowadays even if everything WAS grown outside chemicals would inevitably leech into the soil and SOMEONE would have it happen and opponents of cannabis would politicize it...fuckin people man


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Re: Marijuana Addicts Say Nobody Takes Them Seriously [Re: theRealrollforever]
    #28422371 - 08/05/23 09:14 PM (9 months, 8 days ago)



If there are any fit, young women, who have this problem (and you like to wear leather outfits) I totally believe you. Let me know. :awesomenod:

I want to see video proof so convincing that it curdles my blood and excites me.

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Re: Marijuana Addicts Say Nobody Takes Them Seriously [Re: durian_2008]
    #28422389 - 08/05/23 09:28 PM (9 months, 8 days ago)

(I think it's an example of displacement.)

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Re: Marijuana Addicts Say Nobody Takes Them Seriously [Re: CreonAntigone]
    #28422572 - 08/05/23 11:04 PM (9 months, 8 days ago)

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Marijuana does cause a physical dependence of sorts. If it is being used medicinally to treat any problem, such as anxiety, nausea or sleeplessness, all those problems will ratchet up to 11 on stopping. I also think it can cause irritability in a good chunk of people even using it recreationally. I've read articles like this one that talk about anxiety and depression getting worse, trouble eating and trouble sleeping as being associated with marijuana withdrawal.

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A withdrawal pattern was observed for aggression, anger, anxiety, decreased appetite, decreased body weight, irritability, restlessness, shakiness, sleep problems, and stomach pain. Onset typically occurred between Days 1-3, peak effects between Days 2-6, and most effects lasted 4-14 days. The magnitude and time course of these effects appeared comparable to tobacco and other withdrawal syndromes




It is a 'mild' effect in the sense that, as the study suggests, most effects disappear after 6 days. However, this can still lead to addiction. If one feels like shit when off it and all one has to do is use it again to feel better, it creates a cycle that makes it hard to stop.

If people doubt that anyone would interfere with their life in order to use this drug - hence whether it meets the definition of addiction as requiring damage to one's life - ask themselves whether they know anyone that could've gotten a job if they'd only quit weed. Plenty of people know they need to quit weed to get a job if they expect a drug test. Yet some of those same people can't manage to quit for the weeks-month needed to clear their system out and pass the test. So, their unemployment is in a sense a direct result of their inability to control their use and be fine not using, i.e. addiction.

It is also my experience that very high doses of cannabis, especially in edible form, can create a pretty intense euphoria that might interfere with regular activities. It's one among many ways that a person can 'fade out' and filter out all the problems of their day. Now, it's a hell of a lot better than alcohol, sure. But if someone is using it to forget their problems, it's an addiction just like any other.




Drugs are the spice of life not the solution to your problems.

Smoking a joint laughing my ass off.
Watching obese people waddle down the street but that is not an addiction right? Sugar is not addictive right?
Smoking a joint laughing my ass off.

If you can't handle cannabis then don't drink alcohol or eat treats! Because you will become an alcoholic and obese because your too fucking stupid to know when to stop!

Smoking a joint enjoying life while obese morons eat themselfs to death and drunks morons drink themselfs to death. Life is good people get what they give.

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Re: Marijuana Addicts Say Nobody Takes Them Seriously [Re: B Traven]
    #28422576 - 08/05/23 11:12 PM (9 months, 8 days ago)

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The people I know were very heavy regular users for a very long time. Started getting the cyclic vomiting, stopped blazing, it went away. Any attempt to ingest cannabis in any form, and it comes right back. That's all I got.




Really eh all of them eh? Poor guys that's horrible. Been smoking since 82 growing my own since 86 never seen anyone get CHS including myself.
Cannabis has been legal in Canada for five years and CHS has not increased nor has cyclic vomiting. Nor has there been any reported cases by doctors in Canada of CHS from the thousands of medical users from the past 22 years of medical cannabis.

Highlights for the current update include: The number of medical client registrations with federally licensed sellers increased 3% from 224,474 in December 2022 to 230,697 in March 2023.Jul 24, 2023

https://www.canada.ca/en/health-canada/services/drugs-medication/cannabis/research-data/medical-purpose.html#:~:text=Highlights%20for%20the%20current%20update,to%20230%2C697%20in%20March%202023.

That's all I got.




Oh, yeah, it's something very new and very weird for sure. I've been a regular/heavy user for a long time, too, but the people I know who have gotten this are all younger than me and put my usage to shame. Like, an 8th or more of indoor dank indica every single day for a decade or two. I don't know if it's THC, some other cannabinoids, or just some random random byproduct of newer growing methods that's causing the reaction. Or maybe a combination of multiple things. It reminds me of the increase in peanut allergies, which I think has to do with changes in peanuts rather than people. I'd bet money that old school outdoor weed would never trigger it if that was all people smoked.




The latest reiteration of reefer madness CHS.

Again in the 300000 plus medical cannabis users in Canada not one single doctor has reported a case of CHS so where are they?
FYI people in Canada have been prescribed more then 100 grams of cannabis per day.

https://www.canada.ca/en/health-canada/services/drugs-medication/cannabis/research-data/medical-purpose.html#:~:text=Highlights%20for%20the%20current%20update,to%20230%2C697%20in%20March%202023

Smoking a joint laughing at those who think cannabis is as harmful as tobacco or alcohol. Sorry but those who think that don't have a clue about the relative harms of recreational drugs.

FYI 7 million people die from tobacco use and another 2.5 million from alcohol caused by cancer not one single case of cannabis being the cause of death. Because tobacco and alcohol are carcinogenic while cannabis is not.


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Re: Marijuana Addicts Say Nobody Takes Them Seriously [Re: rider420]
    #28422622 - 08/06/23 12:21 AM (9 months, 8 days ago)

Look, nobody here is suggesting that you're in dire risk of developing CHS if you smoke too much for too long. We're just discussing what we've encountered in our lives. I get the runs when I eat farm-raised shrimp now. Is it me? Is it the farms? A combination of the two? If I'd cut back on my shrimp consumption, would I have bought myself more time before this problem popped up? I don't know. Same deal with CHS.

But you can't argue it out of existence.

We know that other stuff is worse, but we're discussing weed here. As people in and of that world. You really don't need to champion it, you're preaching to the choir.


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Re: Marijuana Addicts Say Nobody Takes Them Seriously [Re: B Traven]
    #28422647 - 08/06/23 01:03 AM (9 months, 8 days ago)

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Look, nobody here is suggesting that you're in dire risk of developing CHS if you smoke too much for too long. We're just discussing what we've encountered in our lives. I get the runs when I eat farm-raised shrimp now. Is it me? Is it the farms? A combination of the two? If I'd cut back on my shrimp consumption, would I have bought myself more time before this problem popped up? I don't know. Same deal with CHS.

But you can't argue it out of existence.

We know that other stuff is worse, but we're discussing weed here. As people in and of that world. You really don't need to champion it, you're preaching to the choir.




Yes who could possibly argue against reefer madness. I turn into a sloth, become an addict and go insane every time I use cannabis.

BTW all drugs are fun dude unless your stupid enough to use them to the point where you become physically addicted IE alcoholism.

Sorry to hear your issue with shrimp but why on earth would you eat farmed shrimp when wild shrimp is cheaper?

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Re: Marijuana Addicts Say Nobody Takes Them Seriously [Re: veggie]
    #28424332 - 08/07/23 01:17 PM (9 months, 6 days ago)

To an extent I believe it.  The times I've taken breaks from cannabis I usually have a period of 2 to 3 days where it's really hard to sleep like normal and I have very vivid dreams.  Things feel more "dull" or "boring" in non-stoned life during those couple of days too.  By day 3 I usually feel "normal."

I wouldn't say it's that impactful though or even that uncomfortable.  I've gone through benzodiazepine withdrawals (fucking twice like an idiot) and it was literally the fucking worst.  Both times was 7 to 9 days of pure fucking hell.  Completely unable to do anything.

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Re: Marijuana Addicts Say Nobody Takes Them Seriously [Re: Dave Bowman]
    #28424427 - 08/07/23 03:04 PM (9 months, 6 days ago)

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To an extent I believe it.  The times I've taken breaks from cannabis I usually have a period of 2 to 3 days where it's really hard to sleep like normal and I have very vivid dreams.  Things feel more "dull" or "boring" in non-stoned life during those couple of days too.  By day 3 I usually feel "normal."

I wouldn't say it's that impactful though or even that uncomfortable.  I've gone through benzodiazepine withdrawals (fucking twice like an idiot) and it was literally the fucking worst.  Both times was 7 to 9 days of pure fucking hell.  Completely unable to do anything.




When I take my two week cannabis breaks I have the same issues 2 to 4 days where its hard to sleep. After a week its back to normal.
When I quite tobacco in 2000 smoked since 82 I had constant urges and could not concentrate on anything for two weeks. I would describe tobacco withdrawal at 10 out of ten in my experience and cannaibs about 1.0 on the same scale. I did have an issue with alcohol where I was getting urges to drink but they stopped completely after a very bad 5.5 gram shroom trip.:myfaceismelting:

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Re: Marijuana Addicts Say Nobody Takes Them Seriously [Re: rider420]
    #28425143 - 08/07/23 11:10 PM (9 months, 6 days ago)

You guys I think maybe we need to start taking the marijuana addicts seriously now!


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Re: Marijuana Addicts Say Nobody Takes Them Seriously [Re: jack_straw2208]
    #28425432 - 08/08/23 08:22 AM (9 months, 6 days ago)

I say we force them to grow our weed and give them a small cut to finance their addiction!  They want to be slaves to a substance, let them find out how much work goes into each toke!


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Re: Marijuana Addicts Say Nobody Takes Them Seriously [Re: jack_straw2208]
    #28425550 - 08/08/23 10:10 AM (9 months, 6 days ago)

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You guys I think maybe we need to start taking the marijuana addicts seriously now!




Yes as seriously as caffeine addicts.

Results showed that 85% of the U.S. population consumes at least one caffeinated beverage per day and that the mean daily caffeine intake from all beverages was 165 milligrams.

Among regular caffeine users, about 8% exhibit a problematic pattern of use known as caffeine use disorder.

About 10% of people who begin smoking cannabis will become addicted.

Yup do the math there are a lot more caffeine addicts then cannabis addicts.

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Re: Marijuana Addicts Say Nobody Takes Them Seriously [Re: rider420]
    #28425564 - 08/08/23 10:23 AM (9 months, 5 days ago)

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I say we force them to grow our weed and give them a small cut to finance their addiction!  They want to be slaves to a substance, let them find out how much work goes into each toke!




Don't stop there lets just change the law so that only those who grow or brew drugs can use them.

Takes at least three months to grow weed and a month to brew beer or wine. Shrooms take about the same as weed.

That way no one will use a drug without having the time to find out how to use the drugs in a safe and healthy manner.

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Re: Marijuana Addicts Say Nobody Takes Them Seriously [Re: jack_straw2208]
    #28425578 - 08/08/23 10:32 AM (9 months, 5 days ago)

You and everyone denying this are coping so hard. The article doesn't even say cannabis is dangerous or make any bold anti-cannabis claims, but you rush to shout "no, nuh-uh, not true!". God only knows why. Do you secretly believe that cannabis can never be accepted unless we warp reality such that cannabis has a risk profile no less benign than coffee? You need to counter lies with opposite lies?


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Re: Marijuana Addicts Say Nobody Takes Them Seriously [Re: Arctic_Fox]
    #28425698 - 08/08/23 12:36 PM (9 months, 5 days ago)

Coffee is physically more harmful than weed. What's your idea of a good time, Doolittle?


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Re: Marijuana Addicts Say Nobody Takes Them Seriously [Re: jack_straw2208]
    #28425709 - 08/08/23 12:54 PM (9 months, 5 days ago)

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Coffee is physically more harmful than weed. What's your idea of a good time, Doolittle?



I don't think I could have a good time with anything if my mind were as closed as yours.


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Re: Marijuana Addicts Say Nobody Takes Them Seriously [Re: Arctic_Fox]
    #28425722 - 08/08/23 01:12 PM (9 months, 5 days ago)

I'm not kink shaming, caffeine is more dangerous than THC though. That is no lie


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Re: Marijuana Addicts Say Nobody Takes Them Seriously [Re: jack_straw2208]
    #28425730 - 08/08/23 01:21 PM (9 months, 5 days ago)

Most of people using drugs, licit or illicit, want to characterize the other guy as selfish and reckless.

Are we talking about it's natural form or synthetics?

I've messed with caffeine pills, vs. I had a big mug of strong coffee?

MJ analogues were first introduced to me, in middleschool science videos as something cleaner and more controlled, yet have since put people in comas.

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