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Marijuana Addicts Say Nobody Takes Them Seriously
    #28421275 - 08/05/23 12:47 AM (9 months, 9 days ago)

Marijuana Addicts Say Nobody Takes Them Seriously
August 4, 2023 - Futurism

"We were sort of laughed out of 12-step spaces."

We know, we know: it's easy to poke fun at the notion that someone could really be addicted to pot.

But as The Washington Post reports, the fact remains that although it poses little risk to most people, cannabis addiction is very real for a minority who say they're badly struggling — and the social stigma around it isn't exactly helping the folks who are struggling with a weed dependency.

"It's been frustrating because you’re not taken seriously," a 37-year-old Missouri mother named Courtney recently told WaPo of her marijuana addiction. "People say it's not as severe as meth, or alcohol, that it's not that bad. They think it's not an addiction."

WaPo interviewed numerous people struggling with weed dependency and addiction, and though their stories differ, striking similarities remain. Weed, they say, has cost them an exorbitant amount of money; withdrawal symptoms are difficult and often destructive; and above all else, like other addictions, it's been a controlling force in their lives.

"The problems that come up with cannabis-use disorder are very real," a 24-year-old who went only by the initials MB told WaPo, confessing that she had stolen money from her family in order to pay for weed. "This was not always something that was talked about."

Per WaPo, MB attends Marijuana Anonymous, a space designed specifically for those struggling with weed addiction.

"We were sort of laughed out of 12-step spaces," she told WaPo of her experience with Alcoholics Anonymous.

Meanwhile, as WaPo notes, the numbers support these folks' claims. According to The Substance Abuse and Mental Health Services Administration, an estimated 16.3 million people in the United States suffer from some level of cannabis-use disorder — or, in other words, cannabis addiction. And though most cases are seen as relatively mild, roughly 26 percent of all cases are considered moderate, and a sizeable 16 percent are considered severe. (As WaPo also points out, a study published in July of last year linked higher levels of THC to the development of cannabis-use disorder.)

"It's the second-most common addiction Americans are struggling with," James H. Berry, a psychiatrist and addiction expert at West Virginia University, told WaPo, "but nobody hears about it."

That all said, some skepticism about weed addiction is warranted. America's history with cannabis is complicated, and weed has often experienced an irrational villainization — seriously, the alarmist posters from the 1940s and 50s were, uh, something — before swinging very far the other way, into what some might call arguably less-than-sufficiently-scrutinized territory.

"Because there are so many mixed messages in our society about cannabis, I think it's very easy for people to minimize and rationalize problematic use of cannabis," Aaron Norton, a Florida mental health counselor, told WaPo. Norton, for his part, told WaPo that while he believes that marijuana should be legalized, it should also be strictly regulated.

There's also the reality that marijuana offers legitimate medical benefits, and has been used medicinally for thousands of years. And as a recreational drug, most folks are able to have a casual relationship with the substance.

But regardless of how low-stakes the drug remains for most, if we've learned anything from TLC, it's that people can get addicted to, well, anything. From sex to shopping to sugar, a slew of common addictions revolve around actions, items, and substances that are normal pieces of our everyday world.

"Addiction is a fact of life," Darren Weiss, president of Verano, a cannabis venture that currently does business in 13 states, told WaPo. "There are folks who are addicted to caffeine, to sex, to all sorts of different things."

At the end of the day, different people have their own individual relationships with substances. Weed can do a lot of good — it can offer some relief for a variety of medical conditions, help users relax and sleep, and can just be nice and fun. But a dependency on any substance can quickly turn problematic, and if you find yourself or witness a friend struggling with a reliance that feels like it might be bordering on addiction, maybe don't discount it.

"The majority of people who use cannabis products in general can handle it," Adrianne Trogden, a Louisiana addiction counselor, told WaPo. "But there are still people who cannot — and they need help."

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Re: Marijuana Addicts Say Nobody Takes Them Seriously [Re: veggie] * 1
    #28421597 - 08/05/23 09:13 AM (9 months, 9 days ago)

I knew afoaf who was in MMSA and found help. Magic Marker Sniffers Anonymous :haha:


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Re: Marijuana Addicts Say Nobody Takes Them Seriously [Re: Shiithead] * 1
    #28421618 - 08/05/23 09:28 AM (9 months, 9 days ago)

It's real. was a point in my life, if I was out of weed I'd be laying in a shower beating my heads against a wall crying. Body chemistry changes so do how drugs effect you.


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Re: Marijuana Addicts Say Nobody Takes Them Seriously [Re: HappyHigh] * 1
    #28421624 - 08/05/23 09:33 AM (9 months, 9 days ago)

Did you try smoking the residue out of the pipe?


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For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.
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The words of the Lord are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times.
Hebrews 11:3
Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.
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Behold, I come quickly: hold that fast which thou hast, that no man take thy crown.

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Re: Marijuana Addicts Say Nobody Takes Them Seriously [Re: Shiithead]
    #28421639 - 08/05/23 09:46 AM (9 months, 9 days ago)

"Boo this man!"

I know several people who've ended up with cannabinoid hyper-emesis syndrome. That's one way to quit for good.


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Re: Marijuana Addicts Say Nobody Takes Them Seriously [Re: B Traven] * 3
    #28421647 - 08/05/23 09:55 AM (9 months, 9 days ago)

"Boo this man!"

Haha. Love that Half Baked clip. I think of it whenever there is an article about cannabis addiction:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ndXJ2AMmStU

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Re: Marijuana Addicts Say Nobody Takes Them Seriously [Re: veggie] * 1
    #28421702 - 08/05/23 11:03 AM (9 months, 8 days ago)

I'm gonna need more evidence before I can allow myself to believe that anyone is physically unable to go a week without getting stoned.

Acting like Eric Cartman doesn't count as withdrawal symptoms for me.


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Re: Marijuana Addicts Say Nobody Takes Them Seriously [Re: jack_straw2208]
    #28421753 - 08/05/23 11:54 AM (9 months, 8 days ago)

Addiction != Dependence

But suddenly stopping a heavy habit definitely results in rebound affects, call it cessation syndrome if you like....whether or not you label them withdrawals is a matter of semantics. While not as severe as GABA or opioidergic WDs they exist.

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Re: Marijuana Addicts Say Nobody Takes Them Seriously [Re: Holybullshit] * 1
    #28421758 - 08/05/23 11:57 AM (9 months, 8 days ago)

Calling bullshit


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Re: Marijuana Addicts Say Nobody Takes Them Seriously [Re: jack_straw2208]
    #28421766 - 08/05/23 12:03 PM (9 months, 8 days ago)

Lol, ok bro

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Re: Marijuana Addicts Say Nobody Takes Them Seriously [Re: Holybullshit]
    #28421886 - 08/05/23 01:25 PM (9 months, 8 days ago)

I gotta agree, you can only call it "withdrawal" in a colloquial sense.

That's even true for things like cocaine.

Very few substances have actual physical withdrawal symptoms (e.g., opiates, nicotine), and even fewer have life-threatening physical withdrawal symptoms (e.g., alcohol, benzos).

Nonetheless, regular cannabis use does so many different things to your brain chemistry that years of heavy use followed by an abrupt cessation can certainly make one feel pretty weird for a while. Especially stacked on top of giving up a compulsion. For most people, there are probably other lifestyle changes happening, too.


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Edited by B Traven (08/05/23 01:27 PM)

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Re: Marijuana Addicts Say Nobody Takes Them Seriously [Re: B Traven]
    #28421895 - 08/05/23 01:33 PM (9 months, 8 days ago)

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Re: Marijuana Addicts Say Nobody Takes Them Seriously [Re: CapSlinger]
    #28421965 - 08/05/23 02:50 PM (9 months, 8 days ago)

90% of people use caffeine every day are they addicts?

Moreover, a number of recent studies show that some caffeine users become addicted to or dependent on caffeine. Many of these individuals are unable to reduce consumption despite knowledge of recurrent health problems associated with continued caffeine use.

Caffeine is a stimulant to the central nervous system, and regular use of caffeine does cause mild physical dependence. But caffeine doesn't threaten your physical, social, or economic health the way addictive drugs do.

Same for cannabis!

Are you wondering how long it takes to feel normal after quitting caffeine? It definitely should not take months. For most people, caffeine withdrawal symptoms can last two to nine days and you should be feeling fine again no more than two weeks after you stopped using caffeine.

Same for cannabis!

Most symptoms stop by 10 days but some people carry on getting them for up to four weeks. This is because the active ingredients in cannabis are stored in fat cells in your body. It takes up to four weeks for your fat cells to release them all.

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Re: Marijuana Addicts Say Nobody Takes Them Seriously [Re: B Traven]
    #28421987 - 08/05/23 03:13 PM (9 months, 8 days ago)

Quote:

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"Boo this man!"

I know several people who've ended up with cannabinoid hyper-emesis syndrome. That's one way to quit for good.




The only difference between cyclic vomiting syndrome and cannabinoid hyperemesis is if you smoke cannabis. And guess what no one knows what causes cyclic vomiting syndrome.

In order to be diagnosed with CHS, certain criteria must be present, including: Long-term, frequent marijuana use—at least more than 1 year. Severe cyclic vomiting episodes after prolonged, high-dose cannabis use. Stabbing abdominal pain.Dec 13, 2022

How common is cyclic vomiting syndrome? Experts don't know how common cyclic vomiting syndrome is in adults. However, experts believe that cyclic vomiting syndrome may be just as common in adults as in children. Doctors diagnose about 3 out of 100,000 children with cyclic vomiting syndrome every year.

There's no cure for cyclic vomiting syndrome, though many children no longer have vomiting episodes by the time they reach adulthood. For those experiencing a cyclic vomiting episode, treatment focuses on controlling the signs and symptoms.

https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/cyclic-vomiting-syndrome/diagnosis-treatment/drc-20352167

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Re: Marijuana Addicts Say Nobody Takes Them Seriously [Re: rider420]
    #28421997 - 08/05/23 03:23 PM (9 months, 8 days ago)

The people I know were very heavy regular users for a very long time. Started getting the cyclic vomiting, stopped blazing, it went away. Any attempt to ingest cannabis in any form, and it comes right back. That's all I got.

Caffeine is physically addictive, and absolutely does impact your health and well-being. And yes, many daily caffeine users are addicted, both psychologically and physically.

In addition to all the obvious stuff, it's quite common for daily users to have no idea what sort of effect it actually has on their sleep cycle.

If you take a psychoactive substance every day from, say, sometime in your teens, and quit that substance decades later, there is no "normal" to return to after a couple weeks. Your entire life is going to feel different.

Take it easy, I think we're all still on Team Weed here for the most part.


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Re: Marijuana Addicts Say Nobody Takes Them Seriously [Re: B Traven] * 1
    #28422010 - 08/05/23 03:35 PM (9 months, 8 days ago)

It's real.  My friend had a half lb of weed and was selling it before he quit while he still had a bunch left.  I'm convinced it's adulterated with something while growing but yeah no science on it really


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Re: Marijuana Addicts Say Nobody Takes Them Seriously [Re: B Traven]
    #28422015 - 08/05/23 03:42 PM (9 months, 8 days ago)

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The people I know were very heavy regular users for a very long time. Started getting the cyclic vomiting, stopped blazing, it went away. Any attempt to ingest cannabis in any form, and it comes right back. That's all I got.




Really eh all of them eh? Poor guys that's horrible. Been smoking since 82 growing my own since 86 never seen anyone get CHS including myself.
Cannabis has been legal in Canada for five years and CHS has not increased nor has cyclic vomiting. Nor has there been any reported cases by doctors in Canada of CHS from the thousands of medical users from the past 22 years of medical cannabis.

Highlights for the current update include: The number of medical client registrations with federally licensed sellers increased 3% from 224,474 in December 2022 to 230,697 in March 2023.Jul 24, 2023

https://www.canada.ca/en/health-canada/services/drugs-medication/cannabis/research-data/medical-purpose.html#:~:text=Highlights%20for%20the%20current%20update,to%20230%2C697%20in%20March%202023.

That's all I got.

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Re: Marijuana Addicts Say Nobody Takes Them Seriously [Re: theRealrollforever]
    #28422022 - 08/05/23 03:46 PM (9 months, 8 days ago)

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It's real.  My friend had a half lb of weed and was selling it before he quit while he still had a bunch left.  I'm convinced it's adulterated with something while growing but yeah no science on it really




Grow your own or move to somewhere its legal.
Get your street drugs tested!

https://drugchecking.ca/

Did you know that opioids meth mdma and cocaine is decriminalized here in BC Canada for up to 2.5 grams.

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    #28422053 - 08/05/23 04:19 PM (9 months, 8 days ago)

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In addition to all the obvious stuff, it's quite common for daily users to have no idea what sort of effect it actually has on their sleep cycle.

If you take a psychoactive substance every day from, say, sometime in your teens, and quit that substance decades later, there is no "normal" to return to after a couple weeks. Your entire life is going to feel different.

Take it easy, I think we're all still on Team Weed here for the most part.




I hope you don't take offense but there is no such thing as normal the older you get the better you will understand that fact. I love the fact that my life is always going to be different, while the use of tobacco, alcohol and opioids will only harm you the use of psychoactive drugs can make your life better.
I love shrooming it really did change me, I used to be fearful of crowds and perceived people as judging me. After a 7 gram trip years ago I lost that fear and when I look at people I see fear in thier eyes of being judged.

Life is great buddy I'm really enjoying myself far more now then in the past all thanks to shrooms. Psychedelics can help you change your life by allowing to see yourself without your ego's filter while alcohol and opioids only mask the pain.

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Re: Marijuana Addicts Say Nobody Takes Them Seriously [Re: rider420]
    #28422104 - 08/05/23 05:03 PM (9 months, 8 days ago)

Marijuana does cause a physical dependence of sorts. If it is being used medicinally to treat any problem, such as anxiety, nausea or sleeplessness, all those problems will ratchet up to 11 on stopping. I also think it can cause irritability in a good chunk of people even using it recreationally. I've read articles like this one that talk about anxiety and depression getting worse, trouble eating and trouble sleeping as being associated with marijuana withdrawal.

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A withdrawal pattern was observed for aggression, anger, anxiety, decreased appetite, decreased body weight, irritability, restlessness, shakiness, sleep problems, and stomach pain. Onset typically occurred between Days 1-3, peak effects between Days 2-6, and most effects lasted 4-14 days. The magnitude and time course of these effects appeared comparable to tobacco and other withdrawal syndromes




It is a 'mild' effect in the sense that, as the study suggests, most effects disappear after 6 days. However, this can still lead to addiction. If one feels like shit when off it and all one has to do is use it again to feel better, it creates a cycle that makes it hard to stop.

If people doubt that anyone would interfere with their life in order to use this drug - hence whether it meets the definition of addiction as requiring damage to one's life - ask themselves whether they know anyone that could've gotten a job if they'd only quit weed. Plenty of people know they need to quit weed to get a job if they expect a drug test. Yet some of those same people can't manage to quit for the weeks-month needed to clear their system out and pass the test. So, their unemployment is in a sense a direct result of their inability to control their use and be fine not using, i.e. addiction.

It is also my experience that very high doses of cannabis, especially in edible form, can create a pretty intense euphoria that might interfere with regular activities. It's one among many ways that a person can 'fade out' and filter out all the problems of their day. Now, it's a hell of a lot better than alcohol, sure. But if someone is using it to forget their problems, it's an addiction just like any other.

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