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All Is Self - documentary * 4
    #28421445 - 08/05/23 06:21 AM (5 months, 21 days ago)

https://youtu.be/Z2HEV4CcdFM

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The chaos we see in society is a reflection of the chaos within the minds of human beings. If we wish to heal society, we need to heal ourselves. Our society, and consequently us as individuals, operates on a worldview based in separation, in seeing and feeling ourselves to be separate from nature. This allow us to cause so much destruction to the earth without feeling that we are destroying ourselves. This is what allows us to act with hatred and cause harm to others because we do not see our oneness with them. This is what makes so many of us feel miserable because we feel we are isolated and separate from the whole, and therefore, must live in fear of life.

While, many of us may feel that we are somehow separate from the rest of existence, this couldn’t be further from the truth. Separation is an illusion. In reality, we are far more connected than we could possibly imagine. This film explores the topic of our unity and shows how spiritual traditions around the world have understood this for millennia, and how modern science is beginning to understand it now.

Featured in the film are (in order of appearance):
Chase Iron Eyes – Lakota Water Protector
Amit Goswami – Theoretical Physicist
Tim Freke – Philosopher
Don Miguel Ruiz Jr. – Teacher from the Toltec Tradition
Walter Kankin – Mayan Spiritual Guide
Maestro Juan Gabriel – Q’ero Wisdomkeeper
Caroline Putnam – Founder of Reviveolution
Swami Santatmananda Saraswati – Teacher of Advaita Vedanta
Amoda Maa – Spiritual Teacher
Master Gu – Taoist Tai Chi Master
Joseph P. Kauffman – Creator of “All Is Self,” and Conscious Collective

This film aims to point out the fundamental truth of our oneness by exploring this subject from the perspectives of many different world traditions – each of which state that there is a greater intelligence—a universal consciousness—of which our individual consciousness is but an expression. If we can awaken to this source of consciousness within us, then we can see it within all beings, and we will realize that all beings are our family, all is one, all is self.




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Re: All Is Self - documentary [Re: spinvis] * 1
    #28421499 - 08/05/23 07:36 AM (5 months, 21 days ago)

I'm gonna set aside a few evenings next week to check out some of these docs you've been posting, spinvis.
Many seem right up my street, you've been on a roll with that shit!
I'll let you know what I think in the respective threads:awesomenod:
Have a great one.
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Re: All Is Self - documentary [Re: Lithop] * 2
    #28421591 - 08/05/23 09:08 AM (5 months, 20 days ago)

"The Is-ness (of phenomena) and Am-ness is all the time equated." The swami.

Good vid.


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Re: All Is Self - documentary [Re: syncro] * 1
    #28421620 - 08/05/23 09:29 AM (5 months, 20 days ago)

The narrator - "Most people seem to have no sense of this oneness at all."

This seems prevalent as has been and still can be with me. Not sure I buy it.

On the other hand, regardless of our roles, people know deep down.


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Re: All Is Self - documentary [Re: syncro] * 1
    #28426696 - 08/09/23 06:03 AM (5 months, 17 days ago)

This is indeed great

I particularly loved the insight into the native peoples of the new world ! Very very interesting , I'm almost finished been watching it in the mornings before work :awesomenod:


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Re: All Is Self - documentary [Re: connectedcosmos] * 3
    #28427129 - 08/09/23 01:02 PM (5 months, 16 days ago)

Enjoyed this one.
Straight from the getgo I felt the narrator was describing exactly what is spoken about in "The more beautiful world our hearts know is possible" by Charles Eisenstein and "The Four Agreements" by Don Miguel Ruiz (cool to hear Don feature in this, as well as Timothy Freke who I recognised from the great version of "The Hermetica" he worked on. Highly recommended BTW.) in regards to difference between the stories we tell about the world around us -based largely on social & cultural conditioning- and the intrinsic 'truth' of interconnection that seems to come out from many places in many forms.

Maestro Juan Gabrial of the Q'ero touched on what, for me, has often come up as one of the biggest hangups about unified consciousness type of stuff: the disconnect between intellectual understanding and emotional knowing.

Do any of you think it's possible to fully accept, embrace and develop a true but discerning emotional connection to the 'All' without using intellect, judgement or comparison of forms as the vehicle to arrive there?


Take Ram Dass for example, his big thing of "Getting out of the thinking mind and into the heart." feels fairly easy to integrate with practise, I've had plenty of experience with being in the heartspace and I recognise the difference of approach in using mind vs using heart- but I would (seemingly) never have gotten there without using intellect to define/ my seperation from the rest of the world.
Something many teachings, this documentary included, deems illusory.
A dream of the ego, the dream of seperation.

Meditation and psychedelics have vastly changed my ideas on who or what 'I' am, I suppose in the sort of way Tim Freke dubbed "paralogical thinking" but I still can't shake a sense of murkiness or confusion around this seeming rift between 'smarts' and feelings...
Is this simply a function of Samsaric existence?
'The Veil' doing what it was designed to do (keeping our avatars invested in the curriculum via 'high stakes' decisions in order to educate & prime the non-physical aspects of our being for existance beyond this base plane)?

The thinking mind VERY often reminds me to accept, to feel and embrace oneness which inevitably leads to me feeling the most 'like myself' but I can't think of instances where my emotion makes me seek intellectual being- apart from that which hurts the ego in which case the intellect was never fully out of the picture...

Perhaps like all of nature, it's about a sense of balance that keeps things ticking along the way they do.
That's one aspect of what makes me appreciate Dzogchen so much, a sort of acknowledgement that we exist among a system of life which obscures the true nature of reality and to really do things 'right' we have to be able to 'clean the mirror' of Rigpa from the obscurations of Samsara and the conditioning that comes from interests and states of being based in 'the marketplace' for lack of a better term, which champion the intellect above the heart.

I wouldn't want to fully trade discerning judgement for an open heart, but maybe that's just from fear that then others will use their intellect to take advantage of my not engaging 'mine'... Something the 'Golden rule' seems to be tailored to.
:yinyang:

TLDR: Cool documentary :lol:

EDIT: I thought this one would be right up your street when watching, connectedcosmos:awesomenod:

p.s At which point do you think awareness shifts from totality to being more localised? In the womb? When we get & associate with our name? When we have our first 'wants &needs' from having a nervous system and a body with material, survival based requirements? Does the physical body exist purely as a necessary vessel to perpetuate ideas?
I feel I've had life review type situations occur both on psychs and through NDE and it was like a DUH moment, facepalm that you "didn't get it" to large degrees.
Reminds me of this meme I shared with you once CC:



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Re: All Is Self - documentary [Re: Lithop] * 1
    #28427308 - 08/09/23 03:34 PM (5 months, 16 days ago)

Nice abstract.


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Re: All Is Self - documentary [Re: Lithop] * 2
    #28427312 - 08/09/23 03:36 PM (5 months, 16 days ago)

If I get your question on intellect vs heart, I don't think it should be a concern as it's about the adaptation of the individual composition. Remember Allanon's observation: Magic ... adapts to the user and the user to it. What matters is earnestness and sincerity.


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Re: All Is Self - documentary [Re: syncro] * 2
    #28427324 - 08/09/23 03:44 PM (5 months, 16 days ago)

We've talked about use of mantras for example. Some see it as a science, others an expression of love. We may switch in ourselves.


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Re: All Is Self - documentary [Re: Lithop] * 3
    #28427328 - 08/09/23 03:47 PM (5 months, 16 days ago)

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EDIT: I thought this one would be right up your street when watching, connectedcosmos:awesomenod:

p.s At which point do you think awareness shifts from totality to being more localised? In the womb? When we get & associate with our name? When we have our first 'wants &needs' from having a nervous system and a body with material, survival based requirements? Does the physical body exist purely as a necessary vessel to perpetuate ideas?
I feel I've had life review type situations occur both on psychs and through NDE and it was like a DUH moment, facepalm that you "didn't get it" to large degrees.
Reminds me of this meme I shared with you once CC:







Great post - great questions not sure if its directed towards me but I'll give the opinions or thoughts I have , I feel like that is one of the deepest questions one could ask,  if my mother would have met someone different than my father (or vice versa) would I still be me? Or at what point are you, you ?

I remember alan watts saying something along the lines " a gleam in your father's eye? The moment of conception when the sperm enters the egg? During the actual birth?"

Or the forming of the ego as you said "when we get our names" and think of it as "me"

So to answer at what point does awareness shift from totality to locality , you mean the one to the many ? Or the godhead to the ego?

I feel like it's a trick question based off linear time thinking , and I would say it's both essentially ... or neither or maybe not essentially and not neither :lol:,  as in awareness is both localized and in totality, depending on what viewpoint you want to stand in

"You" only know what "you" are because of what you consider your "self" and what's "other" (not you) therefore they arise together , with different masks or two sides of the same coin like hot and cold , form and formless , up and down :yinyang:

Damn paradoxes!
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Re: All Is Self - documentary [Re: connectedcosmos] * 2
    #28427467 - 08/09/23 06:24 PM (5 months, 16 days ago)

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Buster_Brown said:
Nice abstract.



What do you reckon Buster- do you tend more to go with your gut, or do you more often let the brain do the heavy lifting?

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syncro said:
If I get your question on intellect vs heart, I don't think it should be a concern as it's about the adaptation of the individual composition. Remember Allanon's observation: Magic ... adapts to the user and the user to it. What matters is earnestness and sincerity.



Wasn't a concern so much as wondering about whether there is some circumstance where an individual could be born and raised without ever feeling seperate. Where that would take you in terms of brain development, where would the resources & RAM usually allocated to all your seperateness get put toward etc...
:pipesmoke:
But yeah I remember discussing earnestness and sincerity being paramount/where the buck stops in this sort of consideration before, I think with yourself but maybe with Kickle.
That's a cool quote about magic adapting to the user and vice versa, I do think there can be parallels drawn there with how we interpret a lot of life.
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We've talked about use of mantras for example. Some see it as a science, others an expression of love. We may switch in ourselves.



True, I feel that. Sometimes you got to go through the motions to reach/maintain a certain level of practise it would seem, but when you're REALLY doing 'it' feels like things go quite differently.
That's how I feel about ritual work too, you got to focus on the minutiae of actions, correspondences etc for some time in order to commit it to memory before you can direct & channel your full attention/intention on DOING it right.
For example, think about sight reading music flawlessly VS playing the same piece from the heart/with heavy emotional investment, ostensibly it's the same piece of music being produced, but the experiences are worlds apart.
As much to the listener as the player, I'd wager.


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Great post - great questions not sure if its directed towards me but I'll give the opinions or thoughts I have , I feel like that is one of the deepest questions one could ask,  if my mother would have met someone different than my father (or vice versa) would I still be me? Or at what point are you, you ?



It was directed at you and toward anyone who wanted to respond, I'm glad to read & discuss what you have to say on it mate!
And yeah it's a complicated one, recipe for a brain-knot.

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I remember alan watts saying something along the lines " a gleam in your father's eye? The moment of conception when the sperm enters the egg? During the actual birth?"

Or the forming of the ego as you said "when we get our names" and think of it as "me"



Totally heard "A gleam in your fathers eye?" in his voice there :lol:
Good ol' Uncle Alan- yeah I remember that loose quote too actually.
What I don't remember, however, is him giving me a straight up answer- the damn philosopher!
:shakecat:

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So to answer at what point does awareness shift from totality to locality , you mean the one to the many ? Or the godhead to the ego?



Lets say the one to the many since it seems to talk more about parsing out the main 'bit' into many other bits, as opposed to what could be described as a straight shift in consciousness.

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I feel like it's a trick question based off linear time thinking , and I would say it's both essentially ... or neither or maybe not essentially and not neither :lol:,  as in awareness is both localized and in totality, depending on what viewpoint you want to stand in

"You" only know what "you" are because of what you consider your "self" and what's "other" (not you) therefore they arise together , with different masks or two sides of the same coin like hot and cold , form and formless , up and down :yinyang:




:mindexpanding:
A sense of accepting unity from observing polarity. Or accepting polarity by trying to rationalise unity...
Linear time does seem to be a big factor, or THE factor in what makes the seperation appear so... Actual.
'What came first, the student or the teacher' all over again, eh?
Takes me right back to your thread about that.

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Damn paradoxes!
:megacrankey:



:yesnod:
Notoriously slippery bro.


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Re: All Is Self - documentary [Re: Lithop] * 2
    #28427967 - 08/10/23 04:00 AM (5 months, 16 days ago)

I think linear time does make seperation seem so real

It definitely deals with causality , I like to think the effect is grounded or the same as the cause neither is first or second

There are no such thing as seperate events

Like the events that led up to me making this post happened long before this post , and the effect of this post will continue throughout "time" long after I type it , when was the post made? It's a posting , you could say everything is a happening like a cat is catting,  or the catting sat on the matting :wink:

It's all one giant happening :smile:


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Re: All Is Self - documentary [Re: connectedcosmos] * 1
    #28428212 - 08/10/23 09:32 AM (5 months, 15 days ago)

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I think linear time does make seperation seem so real

It definitely deals with causality , I like to think the effect is grounded or the same as the cause neither is first or second

There are no such thing as seperate events

Like the events that led up to me making this post happened long before this post , and the effect of this post will continue throughout "time" long after I type it , when was the post made? It's a posting , you could say everything is a happening like a cat is catting,  or the catting sat on the matting :wink:

It's all one giant happening :smile:



But.... But the boxes CC, we gotta put the experiencial stuff in boxes or it's not neat and tidy!
What's mine and what's yours?!
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You're right though, there is a giant happening happening- it feels at its best when I don't feel like I'm trying to MAKE it happen.
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Re: All Is Self - documentary [Re: Lithop] * 1
    #28428434 - 08/10/23 01:27 PM (5 months, 15 days ago)

Don't get me started on boxes


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    #28428456 - 08/10/23 01:42 PM (5 months, 15 days ago)

Thats exactly what descriptions are , boxes .. something that you can dice and slice further and further making it more complicated and asking is it or isn't? And then you have another box to put what is and what isn't in

There is the one thing that can't be boxed though and its the box itself! That boxed all boxes, its beyond box and yet throughout this whole box and its beyond description (yet here I am describing) because that would be a box!

In essence though if everybody realized the same or thought the same we wouldn't have the explosive variety of culture and beliefs etc that we do , everything would be a complete bore - no surprise  , so we do get our own little box's that can feel and experience

I was thinking about this the other day , when you look at somebody you see their form , their body , their height , their etc whatever you name it - but you don't see what they see , then it plays into perception which reminds me of that picture you shared in another thread with the shape and perception

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Re: All Is Self - documentary [Re: connectedcosmos] * 2
    #28429336 - 08/11/23 03:59 AM (5 months, 15 days ago)

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Thats exactly what descriptions are , boxes .. something that you can dice and slice further and further making it more complicated and asking is it or isn't? And then you have another box to put what is and what isn't in



And you said NOT to get you started on boxes :lol:

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There is the one thing that can't be boxed though and its the box itself! That boxed all boxes, its beyond box and yet throughout this whole box and its beyond description (yet here I am describing) because that would be a box!



As spoken about in the Hermetic principle of Mentalism:
"The ALL is Mind: The Universe is Mental."
"We have seen that there can be nothing outside of the ALL.
Then, is the Universe the ALL? No, this cannot be, because the Universe seems to be made up of MANY, and it is constantly changing...
Then if the Universe is not the ALL, then it must be nothing- such is the evitable conclusion of the mind at first thought.
But this will not satisfy the question, for we are sensible of the existence of this Universe.
Then, if the Universe is neither the ALL, nor NOTHING, what can it be?"


^(wouldn't that make SICK blotter art?)
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In essence though if everybody realized the same or thought the same we wouldn't have the explosive variety of culture and beliefs etc that we do , everything would be a complete bore - no surprise  , so we do get our own little box's that can feel and experience



100% agree bro, succinct point.
And maybe not for nothing, eh?
I reckon it suggests that variety & expansion of ideas, beliefs and perspectives is what keeps things moving along toward some desired point in understanding/education/intellectual & emotional evolution - in the same way genetic variety and recombination allows for natural selection to take place in physical evolution...

^This, but on a COSMIC SCALE :rockon:
Maybe one of the 'hardsteps'?
But I'm not a scientist :lol:
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I was thinking about this the other day , when you look at somebody you see their form , their body , their height , their etc whatever you name it - but you don't see what they see , then it plays into perception which reminds me of that picture you shared in another thread with the shape and perception
:sun:



:awesomenod:
That point is made in the documentary too!
It's why discriminating compassion is a required tool in life, IMO.
Oh and I love that pic, it illustrates the idea so well.


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    #28429415 - 08/11/23 06:41 AM (5 months, 15 days ago)

"In essence though if everybody realized the same or thought the same we wouldn't have the explosive variety of culture and beliefs etc that we do , everything would be a complete bore - no surprise  , so we do get our own little box's that can feel and experience"

My first reaction was to counter that unity is not at all boring or stagnant, unless one is in the Beluga camp etc. But I know CC is an Advaitan and this is a perspective on the many.

But it went to a consideration of unity, our integrations of unity being as well unique. Are our mergings ever the same, even in the sense of ego loss? Are or will we be the same in manolaya, or manosasa? (The 'dissolution' of mind temporarily, or permanently, respectively.)

On one hand, we are our own universe. Perhaps we are unique even in nirvana. Yet, we are creations of One. From ACIM, we all have the same inheritance. Mathematically, there are infinitudes that are subsets of those greater. The natural numbers are infinite yet it is shown they cannot meet a one to one correspondence with the set of reals. It is shown by contradiction. To say I am God would make a contradiction. To say I am one with God - the naturals are real numbers.

Two or more infinite subsets can be equal, perhaps relating to twin souls... maybe soul groups at some level entirely integrate.


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Re: All Is Self - documentary [Re: syncro] * 1
    #28429994 - 08/11/23 04:56 PM (5 months, 14 days ago)

How come these videos never discuss the possibility of all being Self being a delusion or misunderstanding?

I've realised lots of things that later I came to eclipse with other understanding.

Sometimes I feel a part of me is transcendent of everything, but is it you and me both?

Can we get along just as well without the idea?


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    #28430113 - 08/11/23 06:17 PM (5 months, 14 days ago)

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How come these videos never discuss the possibility of all being Self being a delusion or misunderstanding?



In short: agenda/standpoint.
IE: the same reason McDonalds adverts aren't saying "Don't forget to eat an apple or 2 sometimes!"
This type of video is approaching the subject matter from a biased standpoint (not saying that's negative) in that it's less of a debate style thing than it is about collecting and corroberating beliefs from various cultures and bringing the common threads together in order to build an idea of commonality that supports the agenda of the filmmaker.

The filmmaker (likely) assumes the viewer is in a position of having at least a morsel or inkling of unified consciousness and as such, his mission with this video is bringing to light other examples of people- from many walks of life- who can give you further reason to believe it's the case.
Or if not further reason to believe, simply some interesting things to consider around the topic.
It's why the video is called "All is Self" not "Is All Self?"
There are entire cultural views championing the idea of harnessing and holding sovereign your individuality over all else, this is the other side of that coin.

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I've realised lots of things that later I came to eclipse with other understanding.



:awesomenod: And so goes the process of learning and self refinement.
It can be a healthy progression, I'm a strong believer in regular bias-checking of any belief that impacts your day to day attitudes and actions, toward yourself, others and the world around you.
A safeguard to make sure you don't fall into more traps in life than you have to.
Not to say the next idea is always the right one.

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Sometimes I feel a part of me is transcendent of everything, but is it you and me both?



That's for you to know and me to find out.

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Can we get along just as well without the idea?



Probably, maybe, no idea.
I got through many years of my life quite 'fine' without considering a whole load of concepts like this.
But the fact of the matter is that there are ideas such as this that speak to an intrinsic/intuitive feeling, that can then lead to a lot of positive life changes & outcomes that may have been nonstarters had the viewer not realised what they thought was their lone view- has been/ is held by others too: all across the world, in different religions etc.

You've got to wonder: where does that line of questioning NOT apply?
Where do you draw the line with the weight you personally put on philosophy, spirituality and the likes?
In my book, if it's a belief more tipped toward betterment, the respect of other lifeforms and the cessation of what could be seen as the selfish actions and beliefs brought about by division and ultimately- fear of difference, then that's fine by me.
Still got to feed your pets, do the dishes, pay the bills, brush your teeth...

But then again, I believe in aliens too:shrug:
:ancientaliens:


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When you look around..

You realize these are YOUR senses..

Information for you..!?


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