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Marijuana Addicts Say Nobody Takes Them Seriously
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Marijuana Addicts Say Nobody Takes Them Seriously August 4, 2023 - Futurism
"We were sort of laughed out of 12-step spaces."
We know, we know: it's easy to poke fun at the notion that someone could really be addicted to pot.
But as The Washington Post reports, the fact remains that although it poses little risk to most people, cannabis addiction is very real for a minority who say they're badly struggling — and the social stigma around it isn't exactly helping the folks who are struggling with a weed dependency.
"It's been frustrating because you’re not taken seriously," a 37-year-old Missouri mother named Courtney recently told WaPo of her marijuana addiction. "People say it's not as severe as meth, or alcohol, that it's not that bad. They think it's not an addiction."
WaPo interviewed numerous people struggling with weed dependency and addiction, and though their stories differ, striking similarities remain. Weed, they say, has cost them an exorbitant amount of money; withdrawal symptoms are difficult and often destructive; and above all else, like other addictions, it's been a controlling force in their lives.
"The problems that come up with cannabis-use disorder are very real," a 24-year-old who went only by the initials MB told WaPo, confessing that she had stolen money from her family in order to pay for weed. "This was not always something that was talked about."
Per WaPo, MB attends Marijuana Anonymous, a space designed specifically for those struggling with weed addiction.
"We were sort of laughed out of 12-step spaces," she told WaPo of her experience with Alcoholics Anonymous.
Meanwhile, as WaPo notes, the numbers support these folks' claims. According to The Substance Abuse and Mental Health Services Administration, an estimated 16.3 million people in the United States suffer from some level of cannabis-use disorder — or, in other words, cannabis addiction. And though most cases are seen as relatively mild, roughly 26 percent of all cases are considered moderate, and a sizeable 16 percent are considered severe. (As WaPo also points out, a study published in July of last year linked higher levels of THC to the development of cannabis-use disorder.)
"It's the second-most common addiction Americans are struggling with," James H. Berry, a psychiatrist and addiction expert at West Virginia University, told WaPo, "but nobody hears about it."
That all said, some skepticism about weed addiction is warranted. America's history with cannabis is complicated, and weed has often experienced an irrational villainization — seriously, the alarmist posters from the 1940s and 50s were, uh, something — before swinging very far the other way, into what some might call arguably less-than-sufficiently-scrutinized territory.
"Because there are so many mixed messages in our society about cannabis, I think it's very easy for people to minimize and rationalize problematic use of cannabis," Aaron Norton, a Florida mental health counselor, told WaPo. Norton, for his part, told WaPo that while he believes that marijuana should be legalized, it should also be strictly regulated.
There's also the reality that marijuana offers legitimate medical benefits, and has been used medicinally for thousands of years. And as a recreational drug, most folks are able to have a casual relationship with the substance.
But regardless of how low-stakes the drug remains for most, if we've learned anything from TLC, it's that people can get addicted to, well, anything. From sex to shopping to sugar, a slew of common addictions revolve around actions, items, and substances that are normal pieces of our everyday world.
"Addiction is a fact of life," Darren Weiss, president of Verano, a cannabis venture that currently does business in 13 states, told WaPo. "There are folks who are addicted to caffeine, to sex, to all sorts of different things."
At the end of the day, different people have their own individual relationships with substances. Weed can do a lot of good — it can offer some relief for a variety of medical conditions, help users relax and sleep, and can just be nice and fun. But a dependency on any substance can quickly turn problematic, and if you find yourself or witness a friend struggling with a reliance that feels like it might be bordering on addiction, maybe don't discount it.
"The majority of people who use cannabis products in general can handle it," Adrianne Trogden, a Louisiana addiction counselor, told WaPo. "But there are still people who cannot — and they need help."
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Re: Marijuana Addicts Say Nobody Takes Them Seriously [Re: veggie] 1
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I knew afoaf who was in MMSA and found help. Magic Marker Sniffers Anonymous
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Re: Marijuana Addicts Say Nobody Takes Them Seriously [Re: Shiithead] 1
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It's real. was a point in my life, if I was out of weed I'd be laying in a shower beating my heads against a wall crying. Body chemistry changes so do how drugs effect you.
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Re: Marijuana Addicts Say Nobody Takes Them Seriously [Re: HappyHigh] 1
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Did you try smoking the residue out of the pipe?
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Re: Marijuana Addicts Say Nobody Takes Them Seriously [Re: Shiithead]
#28421639 - 08/05/23 09:46 AM (9 months, 9 days ago) |
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"Boo this man!"
I know several people who've ended up with cannabinoid hyper-emesis syndrome. That's one way to quit for good.
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#28421647 - 08/05/23 09:55 AM (9 months, 9 days ago) |
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"Boo this man!"
Haha. Love that Half Baked clip. I think of it whenever there is an article about cannabis addiction:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ndXJ2AMmStU
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Re: Marijuana Addicts Say Nobody Takes Them Seriously [Re: veggie] 1
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I'm gonna need more evidence before I can allow myself to believe that anyone is physically unable to go a week without getting stoned.
Acting like Eric Cartman doesn't count as withdrawal symptoms for me.
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Re: Marijuana Addicts Say Nobody Takes Them Seriously [Re: jack_straw2208]
#28421753 - 08/05/23 11:54 AM (9 months, 8 days ago) |
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Addiction != Dependence
But suddenly stopping a heavy habit definitely results in rebound affects, call it cessation syndrome if you like....whether or not you label them withdrawals is a matter of semantics. While not as severe as GABA or opioidergic WDs they exist.
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Re: Marijuana Addicts Say Nobody Takes Them Seriously [Re: Holybullshit] 1
#28421758 - 08/05/23 11:57 AM (9 months, 8 days ago) |
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Calling bullshit
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Re: Marijuana Addicts Say Nobody Takes Them Seriously [Re: jack_straw2208]
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Lol, ok bro
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Re: Marijuana Addicts Say Nobody Takes Them Seriously [Re: Holybullshit]
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I gotta agree, you can only call it "withdrawal" in a colloquial sense.
That's even true for things like cocaine.
Very few substances have actual physical withdrawal symptoms (e.g., opiates, nicotine), and even fewer have life-threatening physical withdrawal symptoms (e.g., alcohol, benzos).
Nonetheless, regular cannabis use does so many different things to your brain chemistry that years of heavy use followed by an abrupt cessation can certainly make one feel pretty weird for a while. Especially stacked on top of giving up a compulsion. For most people, there are probably other lifestyle changes happening, too.
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Re: Marijuana Addicts Say Nobody Takes Them Seriously [Re: B Traven]
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Re: Marijuana Addicts Say Nobody Takes Them Seriously [Re: CapSlinger]
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90% of people use caffeine every day are they addicts?
Moreover, a number of recent studies show that some caffeine users become addicted to or dependent on caffeine. Many of these individuals are unable to reduce consumption despite knowledge of recurrent health problems associated with continued caffeine use.
Caffeine is a stimulant to the central nervous system, and regular use of caffeine does cause mild physical dependence. But caffeine doesn't threaten your physical, social, or economic health the way addictive drugs do.
Same for cannabis!
Are you wondering how long it takes to feel normal after quitting caffeine? It definitely should not take months. For most people, caffeine withdrawal symptoms can last two to nine days and you should be feeling fine again no more than two weeks after you stopped using caffeine.
Same for cannabis!
Most symptoms stop by 10 days but some people carry on getting them for up to four weeks. This is because the active ingredients in cannabis are stored in fat cells in your body. It takes up to four weeks for your fat cells to release them all.
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Re: Marijuana Addicts Say Nobody Takes Them Seriously [Re: B Traven]
#28421987 - 08/05/23 03:13 PM (9 months, 8 days ago) |
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B Traven said: "Boo this man!"
I know several people who've ended up with cannabinoid hyper-emesis syndrome. That's one way to quit for good.
The only difference between cyclic vomiting syndrome and cannabinoid hyperemesis is if you smoke cannabis. And guess what no one knows what causes cyclic vomiting syndrome.
In order to be diagnosed with CHS, certain criteria must be present, including: Long-term, frequent marijuana use—at least more than 1 year. Severe cyclic vomiting episodes after prolonged, high-dose cannabis use. Stabbing abdominal pain.Dec 13, 2022
How common is cyclic vomiting syndrome? Experts don't know how common cyclic vomiting syndrome is in adults. However, experts believe that cyclic vomiting syndrome may be just as common in adults as in children. Doctors diagnose about 3 out of 100,000 children with cyclic vomiting syndrome every year.
There's no cure for cyclic vomiting syndrome, though many children no longer have vomiting episodes by the time they reach adulthood. For those experiencing a cyclic vomiting episode, treatment focuses on controlling the signs and symptoms.
https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/cyclic-vomiting-syndrome/diagnosis-treatment/drc-20352167
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Re: Marijuana Addicts Say Nobody Takes Them Seriously [Re: rider420]
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The people I know were very heavy regular users for a very long time. Started getting the cyclic vomiting, stopped blazing, it went away. Any attempt to ingest cannabis in any form, and it comes right back. That's all I got.
Caffeine is physically addictive, and absolutely does impact your health and well-being. And yes, many daily caffeine users are addicted, both psychologically and physically.
In addition to all the obvious stuff, it's quite common for daily users to have no idea what sort of effect it actually has on their sleep cycle.
If you take a psychoactive substance every day from, say, sometime in your teens, and quit that substance decades later, there is no "normal" to return to after a couple weeks. Your entire life is going to feel different.
Take it easy, I think we're all still on Team Weed here for the most part.
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Edited by B Traven (08/05/23 03:36 PM)
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It's real. My friend had a half lb of weed and was selling it before he quit while he still had a bunch left. I'm convinced it's adulterated with something while growing but yeah no science on it really
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Re: Marijuana Addicts Say Nobody Takes Them Seriously [Re: B Traven]
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B Traven said: The people I know were very heavy regular users for a very long time. Started getting the cyclic vomiting, stopped blazing, it went away. Any attempt to ingest cannabis in any form, and it comes right back. That's all I got.
Really eh all of them eh? Poor guys that's horrible. Been smoking since 82 growing my own since 86 never seen anyone get CHS including myself. Cannabis has been legal in Canada for five years and CHS has not increased nor has cyclic vomiting. Nor has there been any reported cases by doctors in Canada of CHS from the thousands of medical users from the past 22 years of medical cannabis.
Highlights for the current update include: The number of medical client registrations with federally licensed sellers increased 3% from 224,474 in December 2022 to 230,697 in March 2023.Jul 24, 2023
https://www.canada.ca/en/health-canada/services/drugs-medication/cannabis/research-data/medical-purpose.html#:~:text=Highlights%20for%20the%20current%20update,to%20230%2C697%20in%20March%202023.
That's all I got.
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theRealrollforever said: It's real. My friend had a half lb of weed and was selling it before he quit while he still had a bunch left. I'm convinced it's adulterated with something while growing but yeah no science on it really
Grow your own or move to somewhere its legal. Get your street drugs tested!
https://drugchecking.ca/
Did you know that opioids meth mdma and cocaine is decriminalized here in BC Canada for up to 2.5 grams.
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Re: Marijuana Addicts Say Nobody Takes Them Seriously [Re: B Traven]
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In addition to all the obvious stuff, it's quite common for daily users to have no idea what sort of effect it actually has on their sleep cycle.
If you take a psychoactive substance every day from, say, sometime in your teens, and quit that substance decades later, there is no "normal" to return to after a couple weeks. Your entire life is going to feel different.
Take it easy, I think we're all still on Team Weed here for the most part.
I hope you don't take offense but there is no such thing as normal the older you get the better you will understand that fact. I love the fact that my life is always going to be different, while the use of tobacco, alcohol and opioids will only harm you the use of psychoactive drugs can make your life better. I love shrooming it really did change me, I used to be fearful of crowds and perceived people as judging me. After a 7 gram trip years ago I lost that fear and when I look at people I see fear in thier eyes of being judged.
Life is great buddy I'm really enjoying myself far more now then in the past all thanks to shrooms. Psychedelics can help you change your life by allowing to see yourself without your ego's filter while alcohol and opioids only mask the pain.
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Re: Marijuana Addicts Say Nobody Takes Them Seriously [Re: rider420]
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Marijuana does cause a physical dependence of sorts. If it is being used medicinally to treat any problem, such as anxiety, nausea or sleeplessness, all those problems will ratchet up to 11 on stopping. I also think it can cause irritability in a good chunk of people even using it recreationally. I've read articles like this one that talk about anxiety and depression getting worse, trouble eating and trouble sleeping as being associated with marijuana withdrawal.
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A withdrawal pattern was observed for aggression, anger, anxiety, decreased appetite, decreased body weight, irritability, restlessness, shakiness, sleep problems, and stomach pain. Onset typically occurred between Days 1-3, peak effects between Days 2-6, and most effects lasted 4-14 days. The magnitude and time course of these effects appeared comparable to tobacco and other withdrawal syndromes
It is a 'mild' effect in the sense that, as the study suggests, most effects disappear after 6 days. However, this can still lead to addiction. If one feels like shit when off it and all one has to do is use it again to feel better, it creates a cycle that makes it hard to stop.
If people doubt that anyone would interfere with their life in order to use this drug - hence whether it meets the definition of addiction as requiring damage to one's life - ask themselves whether they know anyone that could've gotten a job if they'd only quit weed. Plenty of people know they need to quit weed to get a job if they expect a drug test. Yet some of those same people can't manage to quit for the weeks-month needed to clear their system out and pass the test. So, their unemployment is in a sense a direct result of their inability to control their use and be fine not using, i.e. addiction.
It is also my experience that very high doses of cannabis, especially in edible form, can create a pretty intense euphoria that might interfere with regular activities. It's one among many ways that a person can 'fade out' and filter out all the problems of their day. Now, it's a hell of a lot better than alcohol, sure. But if someone is using it to forget their problems, it's an addiction just like any other.
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Re: Marijuana Addicts Say Nobody Takes Them Seriously [Re: rider420] 1
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B Traven said: The people I know were very heavy regular users for a very long time. Started getting the cyclic vomiting, stopped blazing, it went away. Any attempt to ingest cannabis in any form, and it comes right back. That's all I got.
Really eh all of them eh? Poor guys that's horrible. Been smoking since 82 growing my own since 86 never seen anyone get CHS including myself. Cannabis has been legal in Canada for five years and CHS has not increased nor has cyclic vomiting. Nor has there been any reported cases by doctors in Canada of CHS from the thousands of medical users from the past 22 years of medical cannabis.
Highlights for the current update include: The number of medical client registrations with federally licensed sellers increased 3% from 224,474 in December 2022 to 230,697 in March 2023.Jul 24, 2023
https://www.canada.ca/en/health-canada/services/drugs-medication/cannabis/research-data/medical-purpose.html#:~:text=Highlights%20for%20the%20current%20update,to%20230%2C697%20in%20March%202023.
That's all I got.
Oh, yeah, it's something very new and very weird for sure. I've been a regular/heavy user for a long time, too, but the people I know who have gotten this are all younger than me and put my usage to shame. Like, an 8th or more of indoor dank indica every single day for a decade or two. I don't know if it's THC, some other cannabinoids, or just some random random byproduct of newer growing methods that's causing the reaction. Or maybe a combination of multiple things. It reminds me of the increase in peanut allergies, which I think has to do with changes in peanuts rather than people. I'd bet money that old school outdoor weed would never trigger it if that was all people smoked.
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Re: Marijuana Addicts Say Nobody Takes Them Seriously [Re: rider420]
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In addition to all the obvious stuff, it's quite common for daily users to have no idea what sort of effect it actually has on their sleep cycle.
If you take a psychoactive substance every day from, say, sometime in your teens, and quit that substance decades later, there is no "normal" to return to after a couple weeks. Your entire life is going to feel different.
Take it easy, I think we're all still on Team Weed here for the most part.
I hope you don't take offense but there is no such thing as normal the older you get the better you will understand that fact. I love the fact that my life is always going to be different, while the use of tobacco, alcohol and opioids will only harm you the use of psychoactive drugs can make your life better. I love shrooming it really did change me, I used to be fearful of crowds and perceived people as judging me. After a 7 gram trip years ago I lost that fear and when I look at people I see fear in thier eyes of being judged.
Life is great buddy I'm really enjoying myself far more now then in the past all thanks to shrooms. Psychedelics can help you change your life by allowing to see yourself without your ego's filter while alcohol and opioids only mask the pain.
I think we all agree here this is perfectly worded imo
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B Traven said: The people I know were very heavy regular users for a very long time. Started getting the cyclic vomiting, stopped blazing, it went away. Any attempt to ingest cannabis in any form, and it comes right back. That's all I got.
Really eh all of them eh? Poor guys that's horrible. Been smoking since 82 growing my own since 86 never seen anyone get CHS including myself. Cannabis has been legal in Canada for five years and CHS has not increased nor has cyclic vomiting. Nor has there been any reported cases by doctors in Canada of CHS from the thousands of medical users from the past 22 years of medical cannabis.
Highlights for the current update include: The number of medical client registrations with federally licensed sellers increased 3% from 224,474 in December 2022 to 230,697 in March 2023.Jul 24, 2023
https://www.canada.ca/en/health-canada/services/drugs-medication/cannabis/research-data/medical-purpose.html#:~:text=Highlights%20for%20the%20current%20update,to%20230%2C697%20in%20March%202023.
That's all I got.
Oh, yeah, it's something very new and very weird for sure. I've been a regular/heavy user for a long time, too, but the people I know who have gotten this are all younger than me and put my usage to shame. Like, an 8th or more of indoor dank indica every single day for a decade or two. I don't know if it's THC, some other cannabinoids, or just some random random byproduct of newer growing methods that's causing the reaction. Or maybe a combination of multiple things. It reminds me of the increase in peanut allergies, which I think has to do with changes in peanuts rather than people. I'd bet money that old school outdoor weed would never trigger it if that was all people smoked.
The only thing I'd add is nowadays even if everything WAS grown outside chemicals would inevitably leech into the soil and SOMEONE would have it happen and opponents of cannabis would politicize it...fuckin people man
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If there are any fit, young women, who have this problem (and you like to wear leather outfits) I totally believe you. Let me know.
I want to see video proof so convincing that it curdles my blood and excites me.
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Re: Marijuana Addicts Say Nobody Takes Them Seriously [Re: durian_2008]
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(I think it's an example of displacement.)
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#28422572 - 08/05/23 11:04 PM (9 months, 8 days ago) |
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CreonAntigone said: Marijuana does cause a physical dependence of sorts. If it is being used medicinally to treat any problem, such as anxiety, nausea or sleeplessness, all those problems will ratchet up to 11 on stopping. I also think it can cause irritability in a good chunk of people even using it recreationally. I've read articles like this one that talk about anxiety and depression getting worse, trouble eating and trouble sleeping as being associated with marijuana withdrawal.
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A withdrawal pattern was observed for aggression, anger, anxiety, decreased appetite, decreased body weight, irritability, restlessness, shakiness, sleep problems, and stomach pain. Onset typically occurred between Days 1-3, peak effects between Days 2-6, and most effects lasted 4-14 days. The magnitude and time course of these effects appeared comparable to tobacco and other withdrawal syndromes
It is a 'mild' effect in the sense that, as the study suggests, most effects disappear after 6 days. However, this can still lead to addiction. If one feels like shit when off it and all one has to do is use it again to feel better, it creates a cycle that makes it hard to stop.
If people doubt that anyone would interfere with their life in order to use this drug - hence whether it meets the definition of addiction as requiring damage to one's life - ask themselves whether they know anyone that could've gotten a job if they'd only quit weed. Plenty of people know they need to quit weed to get a job if they expect a drug test. Yet some of those same people can't manage to quit for the weeks-month needed to clear their system out and pass the test. So, their unemployment is in a sense a direct result of their inability to control their use and be fine not using, i.e. addiction.
It is also my experience that very high doses of cannabis, especially in edible form, can create a pretty intense euphoria that might interfere with regular activities. It's one among many ways that a person can 'fade out' and filter out all the problems of their day. Now, it's a hell of a lot better than alcohol, sure. But if someone is using it to forget their problems, it's an addiction just like any other.
Drugs are the spice of life not the solution to your problems.
Smoking a joint laughing my ass off. Watching obese people waddle down the street but that is not an addiction right? Sugar is not addictive right? Smoking a joint laughing my ass off.
If you can't handle cannabis then don't drink alcohol or eat treats! Because you will become an alcoholic and obese because your too fucking stupid to know when to stop!
Smoking a joint enjoying life while obese morons eat themselfs to death and drunks morons drink themselfs to death. Life is good people get what they give.
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Re: Marijuana Addicts Say Nobody Takes Them Seriously [Re: B Traven]
#28422576 - 08/05/23 11:12 PM (9 months, 8 days ago) |
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B Traven said: The people I know were very heavy regular users for a very long time. Started getting the cyclic vomiting, stopped blazing, it went away. Any attempt to ingest cannabis in any form, and it comes right back. That's all I got.
Really eh all of them eh? Poor guys that's horrible. Been smoking since 82 growing my own since 86 never seen anyone get CHS including myself. Cannabis has been legal in Canada for five years and CHS has not increased nor has cyclic vomiting. Nor has there been any reported cases by doctors in Canada of CHS from the thousands of medical users from the past 22 years of medical cannabis.
Highlights for the current update include: The number of medical client registrations with federally licensed sellers increased 3% from 224,474 in December 2022 to 230,697 in March 2023.Jul 24, 2023
https://www.canada.ca/en/health-canada/services/drugs-medication/cannabis/research-data/medical-purpose.html#:~:text=Highlights%20for%20the%20current%20update,to%20230%2C697%20in%20March%202023.
That's all I got.
Oh, yeah, it's something very new and very weird for sure. I've been a regular/heavy user for a long time, too, but the people I know who have gotten this are all younger than me and put my usage to shame. Like, an 8th or more of indoor dank indica every single day for a decade or two. I don't know if it's THC, some other cannabinoids, or just some random random byproduct of newer growing methods that's causing the reaction. Or maybe a combination of multiple things. It reminds me of the increase in peanut allergies, which I think has to do with changes in peanuts rather than people. I'd bet money that old school outdoor weed would never trigger it if that was all people smoked.
The latest reiteration of reefer madness CHS.
Again in the 300000 plus medical cannabis users in Canada not one single doctor has reported a case of CHS so where are they? FYI people in Canada have been prescribed more then 100 grams of cannabis per day.
https://www.canada.ca/en/health-canada/services/drugs-medication/cannabis/research-data/medical-purpose.html#:~:text=Highlights%20for%20the%20current%20update,to%20230%2C697%20in%20March%202023
Smoking a joint laughing at those who think cannabis is as harmful as tobacco or alcohol. Sorry but those who think that don't have a clue about the relative harms of recreational drugs.
FYI 7 million people die from tobacco use and another 2.5 million from alcohol caused by cancer not one single case of cannabis being the cause of death. Because tobacco and alcohol are carcinogenic while cannabis is not.
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Re: Marijuana Addicts Say Nobody Takes Them Seriously [Re: rider420]
#28422622 - 08/06/23 12:21 AM (9 months, 8 days ago) |
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Look, nobody here is suggesting that you're in dire risk of developing CHS if you smoke too much for too long. We're just discussing what we've encountered in our lives. I get the runs when I eat farm-raised shrimp now. Is it me? Is it the farms? A combination of the two? If I'd cut back on my shrimp consumption, would I have bought myself more time before this problem popped up? I don't know. Same deal with CHS.
But you can't argue it out of existence.
We know that other stuff is worse, but we're discussing weed here. As people in and of that world. You really don't need to champion it, you're preaching to the choir.
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Re: Marijuana Addicts Say Nobody Takes Them Seriously [Re: B Traven]
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B Traven said: Look, nobody here is suggesting that you're in dire risk of developing CHS if you smoke too much for too long. We're just discussing what we've encountered in our lives. I get the runs when I eat farm-raised shrimp now. Is it me? Is it the farms? A combination of the two? If I'd cut back on my shrimp consumption, would I have bought myself more time before this problem popped up? I don't know. Same deal with CHS.
But you can't argue it out of existence.
We know that other stuff is worse, but we're discussing weed here. As people in and of that world. You really don't need to champion it, you're preaching to the choir.
Yes who could possibly argue against reefer madness. I turn into a sloth, become an addict and go insane every time I use cannabis.
BTW all drugs are fun dude unless your stupid enough to use them to the point where you become physically addicted IE alcoholism.
Sorry to hear your issue with shrimp but why on earth would you eat farmed shrimp when wild shrimp is cheaper?
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Re: Marijuana Addicts Say Nobody Takes Them Seriously [Re: veggie]
#28424332 - 08/07/23 01:17 PM (9 months, 6 days ago) |
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To an extent I believe it. The times I've taken breaks from cannabis I usually have a period of 2 to 3 days where it's really hard to sleep like normal and I have very vivid dreams. Things feel more "dull" or "boring" in non-stoned life during those couple of days too. By day 3 I usually feel "normal."
I wouldn't say it's that impactful though or even that uncomfortable. I've gone through benzodiazepine withdrawals (fucking twice like an idiot) and it was literally the fucking worst. Both times was 7 to 9 days of pure fucking hell. Completely unable to do anything.
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Re: Marijuana Addicts Say Nobody Takes Them Seriously [Re: Dave Bowman]
#28424427 - 08/07/23 03:04 PM (9 months, 6 days ago) |
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Dave Bowman said: To an extent I believe it. The times I've taken breaks from cannabis I usually have a period of 2 to 3 days where it's really hard to sleep like normal and I have very vivid dreams. Things feel more "dull" or "boring" in non-stoned life during those couple of days too. By day 3 I usually feel "normal."
I wouldn't say it's that impactful though or even that uncomfortable. I've gone through benzodiazepine withdrawals (fucking twice like an idiot) and it was literally the fucking worst. Both times was 7 to 9 days of pure fucking hell. Completely unable to do anything.
When I take my two week cannabis breaks I have the same issues 2 to 4 days where its hard to sleep. After a week its back to normal. When I quite tobacco in 2000 smoked since 82 I had constant urges and could not concentrate on anything for two weeks. I would describe tobacco withdrawal at 10 out of ten in my experience and cannaibs about 1.0 on the same scale. I did have an issue with alcohol where I was getting urges to drink but they stopped completely after a very bad 5.5 gram shroom trip.
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Re: Marijuana Addicts Say Nobody Takes Them Seriously [Re: rider420]
#28425143 - 08/07/23 11:10 PM (9 months, 6 days ago) |
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You guys I think maybe we need to start taking the marijuana addicts seriously now!
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Re: Marijuana Addicts Say Nobody Takes Them Seriously [Re: jack_straw2208]
#28425432 - 08/08/23 08:22 AM (9 months, 6 days ago) |
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I say we force them to grow our weed and give them a small cut to finance their addiction! They want to be slaves to a substance, let them find out how much work goes into each toke!
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Re: Marijuana Addicts Say Nobody Takes Them Seriously [Re: jack_straw2208]
#28425550 - 08/08/23 10:10 AM (9 months, 6 days ago) |
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jack_straw2208 said: You guys I think maybe we need to start taking the marijuana addicts seriously now!
Yes as seriously as caffeine addicts.
Results showed that 85% of the U.S. population consumes at least one caffeinated beverage per day and that the mean daily caffeine intake from all beverages was 165 milligrams.
Among regular caffeine users, about 8% exhibit a problematic pattern of use known as caffeine use disorder.
About 10% of people who begin smoking cannabis will become addicted.
Yup do the math there are a lot more caffeine addicts then cannabis addicts.
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Re: Marijuana Addicts Say Nobody Takes Them Seriously [Re: rider420]
#28425564 - 08/08/23 10:23 AM (9 months, 5 days ago) |
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theRealrollforever said: I say we force them to grow our weed and give them a small cut to finance their addiction! They want to be slaves to a substance, let them find out how much work goes into each toke!
Don't stop there lets just change the law so that only those who grow or brew drugs can use them. Takes at least three months to grow weed and a month to brew beer or wine. Shrooms take about the same as weed.
That way no one will use a drug without having the time to find out how to use the drugs in a safe and healthy manner.
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Re: Marijuana Addicts Say Nobody Takes Them Seriously [Re: jack_straw2208]
#28425578 - 08/08/23 10:32 AM (9 months, 5 days ago) |
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You and everyone denying this are coping so hard. The article doesn't even say cannabis is dangerous or make any bold anti-cannabis claims, but you rush to shout "no, nuh-uh, not true!". God only knows why. Do you secretly believe that cannabis can never be accepted unless we warp reality such that cannabis has a risk profile no less benign than coffee? You need to counter lies with opposite lies?
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Re: Marijuana Addicts Say Nobody Takes Them Seriously [Re: Arctic_Fox]
#28425698 - 08/08/23 12:36 PM (9 months, 5 days ago) |
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Coffee is physically more harmful than weed. What's your idea of a good time, Doolittle?
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Re: Marijuana Addicts Say Nobody Takes Them Seriously [Re: jack_straw2208]
#28425709 - 08/08/23 12:54 PM (9 months, 5 days ago) |
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jack_straw2208 said: Coffee is physically more harmful than weed. What's your idea of a good time, Doolittle?
I don't think I could have a good time with anything if my mind were as closed as yours.
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Re: Marijuana Addicts Say Nobody Takes Them Seriously [Re: Arctic_Fox]
#28425722 - 08/08/23 01:12 PM (9 months, 5 days ago) |
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I'm not kink shaming, caffeine is more dangerous than THC though. That is no lie
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Re: Marijuana Addicts Say Nobody Takes Them Seriously [Re: jack_straw2208]
#28425730 - 08/08/23 01:21 PM (9 months, 5 days ago) |
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Most of people using drugs, licit or illicit, want to characterize the other guy as selfish and reckless.
Are we talking about it's natural form or synthetics?
I've messed with caffeine pills, vs. I had a big mug of strong coffee?
MJ analogues were first introduced to me, in middleschool science videos as something cleaner and more controlled, yet have since put people in comas.
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Re: Marijuana Addicts Say Nobody Takes Them Seriously [Re: veggie]
#28426711 - 08/09/23 06:33 AM (9 months, 5 days ago) |
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Because cannabis addiction isnt a real thing, it wont turn yu into a life ruined fiend stealing& pawning shit off to get yr fix (like crack or meth) & anyone who says it is is dumb by default
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People can get addicted to almost anything, so why would cannabis be an exception to this? Is gambling addiction not a real thing either?
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Re: Marijuana Addicts Say Nobody Takes Them Seriously [Re: Arctic_Fox]
#28427116 - 08/09/23 12:54 PM (9 months, 4 days ago) |
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Arctic_Fox said: People can get addicted to almost anything, so why would cannabis be an exception to this? Is gambling addiction not a real thing either?
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durian_2008 said: I cannot differentiate the neurological pathways of pleasure from those of addiction.
The rest seems to be decompensation, to the best of my knowledge.
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