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ShiroiTora
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Re: Shrooms for anxiety or no? [Re: Rache2020]
#28421165 - 08/04/23 09:52 PM (5 months, 21 days ago) |
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Mushrooms work at any dose for depression, but high doses are the only ones that work for anxiety. Psilohuasca I've actually found to be most helpful with anxiety, but that is a rough and extended duration trip, not for everyone.
OP if you are concerned about the family history and such, ashwagandha is more effective than any mushrooms I've ever taken for anxiety, 100%. Just keep taking it till it works(about 10 days for me) and don't stop abruptly. It also goes really nicely with tripping if you feel ready having taken the ashwagandha for a few weeks.
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Re: Shrooms for anxiety or no? [Re: Rache2020]
#28422582 - 08/05/23 11:25 PM (5 months, 20 days ago) |
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I'm just getting into ashwagandha again - why is it you recommend not stopping abruptly? Is there a minor withdrawal? Would you recommend tapering off?
OK so my warning about stopping abruptly is because I ran out at some point and my thyroid really fucked out for a couple of weeks(mostly just swelling/pressure, no bulging eyes, metabolic issues or other "hormonal" crap thank god), though I was busy quitting caffeine at the time so there is a BIG confounding factor in my case with regards to my cortisol levels(I have since recovered completely, though I don't use caffeine or ashwagandha anymore). I took it just as you describe, but I've seen it stays in one's system for quite a while, only getting thyroid symptoms after 6 days off(it was completely unexpected). In the time since I found out a bit more about ashwagandha from an ayurvedic practitioner, and she says it is a plant that enjoys constant, lowish dose usage(makes sense as hormones have much slower cycles than neurotransmitters). I also would advise against extracts if you are getting antsy, just the pure ground root gave me just a constant feeling that there was a thick heavy blanket over everything and everyone I interacted with, really nice, I felt like I was a child again(wrt anxiety at least )
I want to try Rhodiola rosea though, I've ordered 300g and it should be arriving next week. I think it sounds like more my style, especially now since I quit caffeine, I need all the mental energy I can get(been drinking caffeine daily since I was 10, only above 400mg/day in the last 5 years thankfully), and that "blanket" feels less necessary now that I'm not caffeinated all the time.
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Oh thank you I'll look into ashwaganha-I think I can get hold of that. I've not heard of Psilohuasca-I assume it's not legal though?! I have trouble getting hold of anything other than liberty caps since they grow in the UK, unfortunately I don't have any "connections" for anything else. I'd also love to go to some retreat or shaman and have a spiritual experience, I don't know how feasible that is though.
Here is a link to a guy that does it legally in the Netherlands. Apparently truffles and Syrian rue are completely legal there, but mushrooms and normal ayahuasca are illegal. This guy sounds pretty legit, I agree with his philosophies and stuff, perhaps you might want to look into a guided trip.
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Re: Shrooms for anxiety or no? [Re: Rache2020]
#28423707 - 08/06/23 11:10 PM (5 months, 19 days ago) |
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Thank you, I'll check that link out later. Just on the ashwagandha-I looked into it a little bit and seems it has an effect on dreaming as well? I'm super interested in lucid dreaming so if it helps with that (or vivid dreams) that will be an absolute bonus. Did you happen to notice any difference in your dream recall? I'm defo gonna order some now anyway.
Now that you mention it, there was a time I was having pretty wild and far-out dreams, but I figured it was just because my stress was reduced(probably works that way), I didn't realize it was a lucid dreaming aid. That being said it is orders of magnitude weaker than Silene capensis for dreams, if you want lucid dreams that is my root of choice.
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That's one I did research on in the past. I don't know if you're aware, but it's been tested and confirmed to have MAOI effects - might make it pretty effective for increasing energy, but of course it might have a potential reaction with other substances.
Given what you say about using rue though, I know you're more than familiar with MAOIs. I'd be curous to hear if you notice a MAOI effect it, comparable to the psychoactivity of rue.
No this is a complete and welcome surprise to me According to the paper it works for both MAO-A and -B substrates, so it's definitely going to be different from Rue which is only a RIMA. I'm gonna have to maybe not take rue and rhodiola on the same day, as that might have some interactions. The MAO-B inhibition might prove advantageous for dopaminergic concentrations, either way it should be much more stimulating than rue in that regard. I'm just having trouble figuring out whether the MAOIs in rhodiola are reversible or not, but from what I've read the effects are reported to not be cumulative over weeks so I'm assuming(hoping) they are in fact reversible.
Thanks for this juicy info CA I'll be sure to let you know about my experience with rhodiola in a couple of weeks
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